BRKG Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore has collapsed

Wildweasel

F-4 Phantoms Phorever
Looks like the whole inner harbor facility out of commission with investigation

Sparrows Point is the old Bethlehem Steelworks, Lady Beth.

Any bridge rebuild will probably stage there after rescue/recovery.

What kind of food delivery cut off or detour can Baltimore expect?

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Probably no impact on food deliveries, since they can use the tunnels under Baltimore Harbor. But oversize loads and Hazmat are prohibited in the tunnels and the Key bridge was the easiest bypass route. Now such loads might have to go up to Harrisburg, PA then over to Philadelphia and vice-versa to bypass Baltimore.
 

Macgyver

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Plenty of ports can take up the slack, but logistics will be a mess for a few weeks.
My guess is that they will work 24/7 to get some kind of a channel cleared. May not take as long as some think.
Plus if there are any navy ships that want to get in or out you can be dam sure they will be showing up with loads of high explosives to speed it up.
So, is the shipping channel blocked? Or is there a work around?


Black Swan?
The channel is under the large span that fell. I don't know what the water depths are outside of the channel under the side spans.
Water might be deep enough for small (draft and height) to pass on the sides.

That's could also be quickly dredged out to at least get more depth. Won't do anything if the ships are too tall.
 

Wildweasel

F-4 Phantoms Phorever
The second time appears to happen after the strike. It is possible that the ship lost navigation control after the first power failure. Sending it off course with no time to recover. If so then that ship has a worse design than the Boeing 737 max.
But it happens more often than you think. Remember the cargo ship that destroyed the cruise ship pier in New Orleans some years back? And all the youtube videos od cruise ships hitting each other when trying to dock? All related to loss of rudder control.

Not a problem out at sea. Just restore power and reboot. In a harbor or narrow straight? You got a big problem because it's likely to end with something going crunch.
 

Southside

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Right as usual, Cap'n. After divers and ROVs have determined there aren't any more bodies to be found, they'll start pulling vehicles and big chunks of bridge out. It won't take all that long to get it cleared up for transit, but it doesn't take that many days to jam up the system.

I can imagine the freight/logistics companies are frantic this morning, working to get their cargoes to alternate ports.
Not nearly as crazy as a few insurers and re-insurers. Wonder who is on the hook?
 

Tigerlily

Senior Member
Perhaps it would be good to remember that Russia was attacked last week, and this morning they claimed we were involved. Yesterday, there was a catastrophic hack which caused a huge sewage leak. Today, something caused a container ship to lose power, at least two times. Maybe, we should be aware that both of those are electronics caused disasters, and keep our eyes peeled for more.
 

Hawke

Veteran Member
I cant see this as terrorism. If so, it is the worst planning terrorist cell ever. 1:30 AM, with the lowest traffic?

Why not at rush hour?
Not necessarily. Eliminate one traffic route, making it look like an accident. That forces a lot more people into the routes that are left, and because it was an 'accident,' people's awareness stays relatively low. Hit one, or more, of these now even-more-congested routes at rush hour, and the casualties would be substantially higher than they would have been normally.
 

Wildweasel

F-4 Phantoms Phorever
A few more hours before sunrise, Now some really bad mews!
Most of todays cars have much todo with fancy electrical systems and most will have electric windows and once the car is submerged the electrical system go's dead and no escape unless the occupant can break the glass before the compartment can fill with water.
After the sudden stop from a 185ft fall and hundreds of tons of bridge falling on top of your car, I don't think it was much of an issue.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
Not nearly as crazy as a few insurers and re-insurers. Wonder who is on the hook?
Undoubtedly some big companies, whether it'd be Lloyd's or a company in Singapore or in China, I don't know. And the contracts for all the ships scheduled for the next two weeks are at risk now, at the very least.
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
Just saw this. Have no idea how many times I've crossed that bridge. My favorite part of the crossing was to catch glances of Fort Carroll in the distance. To have it gone... just gone in seconds? Wow. To say rush hour is going to be a mess is an understatement of gross proportions. That bridge is key infostructure and this incident a reminder of how fragile modern infostructure can be.
 

Wildweasel

F-4 Phantoms Phorever
Will Tanner
@Will_Tanner_1

It's terribly sad, particularly for the families of those aboard the Dali and driving across the Francis Scott Key Bridge, that it collapsed

But it's also sad in what questions it raises about America's competence: can we build a new one?

When the over mile and a half long bridge was built in the 70s, America was a very different place. We could go to the moon. People were competent and hard-working. The insane grievance studies hadn't made education worthless and kneecapped engineers. Regulation hadn't made construction impossible.

Now? We have supercomputers. There are still intelligent engineers and hardworking Americans around, just look at Space X.

But the "woke mind virus," as Elon called it, has infected everything, everywhere. Regulation has stifled construction and furthered that mind virus.

So when it comes to building a steel-span bridge across Baltimore harbor in 2024, it's hard to say that "yes, we can undoubtedly rebuild it" in the same way that we could have said so in the 70s or 80s. Someone competent like Elon could still make it happen, but so long as the regime, of which Baltimore's government is undoubtedly a part, is involved and pushing its mandates on those trying to build it...not so much

So instead of the flying cars people from the time the bridge was built imagined we'd have, we'll get a collapsed bridges and Boeing airplanes that fall apart
This event might prompt building a tunnel instead of a replacement bridge. Tunnel boring machines have changed the tunnel building game and agencies/companies affected by losing the Port of Baltimore will demand a tunnel instead of a bridge.

I foresee the Navy to be screaming very loudly that they don't want another bridge in that location.
 

Bubble Head

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The diesel engines can run without power but operators may lose control. There is an excessive amount of black smoke coming out of the stacks just after the first power failure and continues until impact. This shows extream load to the engines. They would have the normal generator running for electric power with a back up. The electric load drops on the primary generator as signaled by the lights out. The auxiliary generator takes the load but also can’t handle it and ship goes dark. Dropping the electric load can be as simple as frying a main wire. The diesel smoke can be the load on the engines from ahead full to full reverse. Why this vessel makes it turn right for the main pillar is a big question. Could have something to do with wind and current. I think dropping the port anchor would have pivoted the vessel aft end around to port. However vessel continues on direct path to pillar. Remember this all takes place in just a couple of minutes.
I don’t believe in coincidences. But I have been involved in equipment failure even in combat.
 

Repairman-Jack

Veteran Member
REVEALED: Doomed Baltimore cargo ship was piloted by specialist crew

"Doomed cargo ship Dali was being piloted by a LOCAL crew who were trained to AVOID obstacles in the Baltimore port - as it emerges 100,000-ton vessel 'lost control and propulsion' moments before smashing into the bridge

An initial report found that propulsion may have caused the catastrophe
The crew warned that they 'lost control' of the vessel shortly before the smash
The vessel was piloted by a specialist crew trained to avoid impacts

The cargo ship that smashed into the Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore overnight was piloted by a specialized crew trained to avoid obstacles at ports, it has emerged.

The ship, a 948-foot-long DALI operated by Singaporean company Synergy Group, collided with the 1.2-mile bridge shortly after 1:26am as it departed the Port of Baltimore.

Maryland Transportation Secretary Paul Wiedefeld told a Tuesday morning press conference that it appears none of the 22 crewmembers were injured, as he revealed it was being steered by the specialist pilots.

'Pilots move ships in and out of the Port of Baltimore,' he said at a press conference, noting that the specialist pilots depart the ships as soon as they are in open water.

Officials were quick to rule out the catastrophe as intentional or an act of terrorism, and an early Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) report found the container ship 'lost propulsion' as it was leaving port.

'The vessel notified MD Department of Transportation (MDOT) that they had lost control of the vessel and an allision with the bridge was possible,' the report said. 'The vessel struck the bridge causing a complete collapse.'

The Dali container ship had undergone 27 inspections since 2015, and it had been found to have two 'deficiencies', according to a CNN review of records from the Electronic Quality Shipping Information System (Equasis).

Notably, this included a June 2023 inspection in San Antonio, Chile, where a deficiency was found in the 'propulsion and auxiliary machinery' - with propulsion faults also noted in the early CISA report.

The Dali was also involved in a 2016 incident at the Port of Antwerp. A review in November of that year in Antwerp, Belgium found another 'deficiency' in its 'structural conditions.'

No deficiencies were found when the vessel was last inspected on September 9, 2023 by the US Coast Guard in New York.

All activity out of the Port of Baltimore, one of the most important trade hubs in North America, has ground to a halt.

The ship had departed the Seagirt Marine Terminal at around 12:30am Tuesday, before turning southeast towards the bridge around half an hour later.

The Dali was intended to sail underneath the bridge, however it struck a support beam. Investigations into the accident are still ongoing.

Observers said that black smoke was seen emanating from the ship in the moments beforehand, suggesting the crew may have attempted to reverse its engines.

Rescue crews are continuing their efforts to save those impacted by the accident, with around seven believed to have been on the bridge at the time.

Around 20 construction workers were also working on the bridge at the time, sending them plummeting into the frigid 47-degree water.

Wiedefeld added that the construction crew were not working on anything related to the structural integrity of the bridge, and were fixing potholes at the time.

As of early Tuesday, two people had been pulled from the water. One was uninjured, and the other was rushed to hospital in 'very serious condition.'

<Snip> More info on the site
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
The diesel engines can run without power but operators may lose control. There is an excessive amount of black smoke coming out of the stacks just after the first power failure and continues until impact. This shows extream load to the engines. They would have the normal generator running for electric power with a back up. The electric load drops on the primary generator as signaled by the lights out. The auxiliary generator takes the load but also can’t handle it and ship goes dark. Dropping the electric load can be as simple as frying a main wire. The diesel smoke can be the load on the engines from ahead full to full reverse. Why this vessel makes it turn right for the main pillar is a big question. Could have something to do with wind and current. I think dropping the port anchor would have pivoted the vessel aft end around to port. However vessel continues on direct path to pillar. Remember this all takes place in just a couple of minutes.
I don’t believe in coincidences. But I have been involved in equipment failure even in combat.

Probably the current, this morning that area was under a marine flood warning.

 

Weft and Warp

Senior Member
I'd like to know how fast that ship was moving when it happened. It seemed to be going full speed ahead. I thought there were rules about how fast they should go when leaving port/ or congested areas.
 

Samuel Adams

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I don’t know how to bring vids over here from email….(friend sent a tiktok vid), but there is video footage showing blast signatures at each point where the bridge broke.

Dunno.

Great way to speed up demise of a nation.
No big casualty event required.

Just accidentally start removing key infrastructure.
 
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