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jward
passin' thru
the mystery writer in me has already outlined that one, as well as a darker version, where patriots in VA monday for the Rally's are sent home with a lil something to remember their visit by
Krayola
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I had not heard of this before. Thank you for the information. It answers some questions I had about this earlier in the thread. I had thought a mask would be enough but I guess we need goggles too.
Reasonable Rascal
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Thank you for your integrity in offering your disclaimer. You are quite correct in your caution. Historically, the fatality rate form the Spanish Influenza was between 10 and 20%, a far, far cry from where we are at with this infection.
Regardless of what the media and publicity-seeking professors have to say already it is too soon to speculate. It could go full-on pandemic, it could move fast and die fast like SARS, or it could fiddle-fart around and wreak modest havoc for months before falling into the background. Only time and not Twitter, will tell.
RR
naturallysweet
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Does anyone know if the virus is dormant in the incubation period, or can it be transmitted??
Reasonable Rascal
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It could, yes, but there is no guarantee. A cocktail of both Tylenol and Motrin could possibly do it - temporarily. Again, no promises. Taking a larger than recommended dose of either one won't produce stronger results, BTW.
RR
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
Down in your GUT and up in your BRAIN YOU KNOW THE STORY BELOW ABOUT MASKS IS A LIE.
If not, tell me why when there were only 300 cases of this new flu, 50 of those cases were medical workers.
An analogy would be would you drink water that only had a small number of Giardia cysts in it if most of most of the cysts in the water had been filtered out? Of course not.
Those loose fitting surgical masks ARE NOT USED IN ANY NORMAL MEDICAL SITUATION WHERE THE DOCTORS or medical staff COULD BECOME INFECTED!
THEY ARE ONLY USED in a hospital WHEN YOU, THE PATIENT, MIGHT CONTRACT GERMS FROM THE DOCTOR OR MEDICAL STAFF! (Like in an operating room.)
This bit of LYING is being put out to keep the public from PANIC since there are not enough N-95 masks still on the market because people are buying them up in wholesale numbers to resell at a high profit when things get worse.
If you cannot find the N-95's wear the surgical and get some paper medical tape to tape it down where it gaps open.
BY THE WAY, NOTE! STOCK UP ON NATURE'S WAY TURMERIC!
What killed the SARS PATIENTS was a CYTOKINE "STORM" OR "CYTOKINE CASCADE" not SARS. That is when the body"s immune system goes nuts and attacks healthy tissue. That is like a losing army giving a gun to any and everyone and telling them shoot anything that moves.
This new flu is ANOTHER corona virus like SARS.
What you need to keep your own immune system from killing you is THE STRONGEST CURCUMIN containing TURMERIC tablets, But do NOT take the Turmeric when you first get the flu!
LET YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM FIGHT THIS NEW FLU until and unless you take a MARKED TURN FOR THE WORSE in your illness, THEN START WITH HIGH DOSES OF CURCUMIN (in the Turmeric) to put down the cytokine storm and stop your body's overactivated immune system attack on itself ! Since these new coronavirus "flu's" all seem to trigger an immune system cytokine storm, the people with the strongest immune systems are at the MOST RISK of not surviving a bout with it.
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If not, tell me why when there were only 300 cases of this new flu, 50 of those cases were medical workers.
An analogy would be would you drink water that only had a small number of Giardia cysts in it if most of most of the cysts in the water had been filtered out? Of course not.
Those loose fitting surgical masks ARE NOT USED IN ANY NORMAL MEDICAL SITUATION WHERE THE DOCTORS or medical staff COULD BECOME INFECTED!
THEY ARE ONLY USED in a hospital WHEN YOU, THE PATIENT, MIGHT CONTRACT GERMS FROM THE DOCTOR OR MEDICAL STAFF! (Like in an operating room.)
This bit of LYING is being put out to keep the public from PANIC since there are not enough N-95 masks still on the market because people are buying them up in wholesale numbers to resell at a high profit when things get worse.
If you cannot find the N-95's wear the surgical and get some paper medical tape to tape it down where it gaps open.
BY THE WAY, NOTE! STOCK UP ON NATURE'S WAY TURMERIC!
What killed the SARS PATIENTS was a CYTOKINE "STORM" OR "CYTOKINE CASCADE" not SARS. That is when the body"s immune system goes nuts and attacks healthy tissue. That is like a losing army giving a gun to any and everyone and telling them shoot anything that moves.
This new flu is ANOTHER corona virus like SARS.
What you need to keep your own immune system from killing you is THE STRONGEST CURCUMIN containing TURMERIC tablets, But do NOT take the Turmeric when you first get the flu!
LET YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM FIGHT THIS NEW FLU until and unless you take a MARKED TURN FOR THE WORSE in your illness, THEN START WITH HIGH DOSES OF CURCUMIN (in the Turmeric) to put down the cytokine storm and stop your body's overactivated immune system attack on itself ! Since these new coronavirus "flu's" all seem to trigger an immune system cytokine storm, the people with the strongest immune systems are at the MOST RISK of not surviving a bout with it.
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Following up on PPE (personal protective equipment) aspects of this news...
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Surgical masks as good as respirators for flu and respiratory virus protection
Researchers may finally have an answer in the long-running controversy over whether the common surgical mask is as effective as more expensive respirator-type masks in protecting health care workers from flu and other respiratory viruses.medicalxpress.com
September 3, 2019
Surgical masks as good as respirators for flu and respiratory virus protection
by UT Southwestern Medical Center
Dr. Trish Perl. Credit: UTSW
Researchers may finally have an answer in the long-running controversy over whether the common surgical mask is as effective as more expensive respirator-type masks in protecting health care workers from flu and other respiratory viruses.
A study published today in JAMA compared the ubiquitous surgical (or medical) mask, which costs about a dime, to a less commonly used respirator called an N95, which costs around $1. The study reported "no significant difference in the effectiveness" of medical masks vs. N95 respirators for prevention of influenza or other viral respiratory illness.
"This study showed there is no difference in incidence of viral respiratory transmission among health care workers wearing the two types of protection," said Dr. Trish Perl, Chief of UT Southwestern's Division of Infectious Diseases and Geographic Medicine and the report's senior author. "This finding is important from a public policy standpoint because it informs about what should be recommended and what kind of protective apparel should be kept available for outbreaks."
Medical personnel—in particular nurses, doctors, and others with direct patient contact—are at risk when treating patients with contagious diseases such as influenza (flu). A large study conducted in a New York hospital system after the 2009 outbreak of H1N1, or swine flu, found almost 30 percent of health care workers in emergency departments contracted the disease themselves, Dr. Perl said.
During that pandemic, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommended using the tighter-fitting N95 respirators, designed to fit closely over the nose and mouth and filter at least 95 percent of airborne particles, rather than the looser-fitting surgical masks routinely worn by health care workers, Dr. Perl said. But some facilities had trouble replenishing N95s as supplies were used.
In addition, there are concerns health care workers might be less vigilant about wearing the N95 respirators since many perceive them to be less comfortable than medical masks, such as making it harder to breathe and being warmer on the wearer's face.
Earlier clinical studies comparing the masks and respirators yielded mixed results, said Dr. Perl, also a Professor of Internal Medicine who holds the Jay P. Sanford Professorship in Infectious Diseases.
The new study was performed at multiple medical settings in seven cities around the country, including Houston, Denver, Washington, and New York, by researchers at the University of Texas, the CDC, Johns Hopkins University, the University of Colorado, Children's Hospital Colorado, the University of Massachusetts, the University of Florida, and several Department of Veterans Affairs hospitals. Researchers collected data during four flu seasons between 2011 and 2015, examining the incidence of flu and acute respiratory illnesses in the almost 2,400 health care workers who completed the study.
The project was funded by the CDC, the Veterans Health Administration, and the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), which is part of the U.S. Health and Human Services Department and was founded in the years after Sept. 11, 2001, to help secure the nation against biological and other threats.
"It was a huge and important study—the largest ever done on this issue in North America," Dr. Perl said.
In the end, 207 laboratory-confirmed influenza infections occurred in the N95 groups versus 193 among medical mask wearers, according to the report. In addition, there were 2,734 cases of influenza-like symptoms, laboratory-confirmed respiratory illnesses, and acute or laboratory-detected respiratory infections (where the worker may not have felt ill) in the N95 groups, compared with 3,039 such events among medical mask wearers.
"The takeaway is that this study shows one type of protective equipment is not superior to the other," she said. "Facilities have several options to provide protection to their staff—which include surgical masks—and can feel that staff are protected from seasonal influenza. Our study supports that in the outpatient setting there was no difference between the tested protections."
Dr. Perl said she expects more studies to arise from the data collected in this report; she now plans to investigate the dynamics of virus transmission to better understand how respiratory viruses are spread.
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ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
Wuhan
Wuhan, a Chinese city of eleven million people, is to temporarily shut public transport as it tries to halt the outbreak of a new strain of virus. Those living in the city have been advised not to leave, in a week when millions of Chinese are travelling for the upcoming Lunar New Year holiday. 8 hours ago
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It is like LOCKING THE DOOR ON CHICAGO, not just the city but the whole metropolitan AREA and saying you can't leave till this is over!
china CITY OF 11 MILLION SHUT DOWN - Google Search
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It is like LOCKING THE DOOR ON CHICAGO, not just the city but the whole metropolitan AREA and saying you can't leave till this is over!
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Heliobas Disciple
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I'm sorry for what your wife must be going through, adding my prayers for an easy and complete recovery.
HD
Heliobas Disciple
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Some thing I've been thinking about. The numbers (as low as they are reporting them to be) are only the cases that have been admitted to the hospital with pneumonia. How many people are walking around Wuhan with sniffles and a scratchy throat who may have caught this but it didn't escalate to a critical stage? Are they contagious? Can they transmit the virus to someone else who could escalate into a worse case/pneumonia? How many "Typhoid Mary's" are there right now in China?
HD
HD
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View: https://twitter.com/arslan_hidayat/status/1220217500631207936
Arslan Hidayat@arslan_hidayat
8min ago
#Wuhan is sealed and food prices have soared. Reminiscent of the siege of ‘Changchun’
Arslan Hidayat@arslan_hidayat
8min ago
#Wuhan is sealed and food prices have soared. Reminiscent of the siege of ‘Changchun’
Heliobas Disciple
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View: https://twitter.com/XinqiSu/status/1220191924394479616
Xinqi Su 蘇昕琪@XinqiSu
10:49 PM · Jan 22, 2020
Chinese embassy in France said it found on Wednesday night a Wuhan woman surnamed Yan who claimed on social media that she had fever but took medicine to press the temperature down in order to successfully enter France.
Xinqi Su 蘇昕琪@XinqiSu
10:49 PM · Jan 22, 2020
Chinese embassy in France said it found on Wednesday night a Wuhan woman surnamed Yan who claimed on social media that she had fever but took medicine to press the temperature down in order to successfully enter France.
Krayola
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Residents of China's virus-hit Wuhan call for support
AFP•January 23, 2020
Wuhan residents called for help and shared worries of food shortages, with some on the "verge of tears", after the virus-hit central Chinese city was put on effective lockdown on Thursday.
Planes and trains out of Wuhan -- the outbreak epicentre of the SARS-like virus -- were cancelled, with public transport also suspended as authorities told residents not to leave in a bid to control the spread of the virus.
The search term "Wuhan is sealed off" had been read at least 510 million times on China's Twitter-like Weibo platform by Thursday morning with some 214,000 discussion posts.
Some residents said they were on the "verge of tears" as they read news of the lockdown, adding that their families' lives were "threatened constantly and the target of online abuse".
"We consciously avoid going out, disinfect diligently and wear masks," wrote one user in a social media post.
"But there is a lack of food and disinfectants, and we need more resources. We hope everyone can understand that we are feeling as though it is the end of the world.
"We really need everyone's help".
Some called on the government to provide more resources to Wuhan, saying there were not enough masks to buy and that food prices were rising.
One user said: "Could the government help to resolve the issue of resources? Can we control food prices?"
The number of confirmed cases of pneumonia caused by the new SARS-like virus is over 570, according to China's National Health Commission, with most in Wuhan.
One video being shared on social media showed a bride in a nearby city wearing a surgical mask, and saying that all the guests who had visited Wuhan for work had been seated at the same table.
Lunar New Year celebrations begin Friday, and it is a popular time for weddings in China.
Another social media user, whose location was tagged as Wuhan, said she is skipping a reunion dinner this year and apologised to her family online.
Video clips of reporters from local news outlets, who were shown wearing masks on camera, made the rounds online as well.
Many internet users from outside the city expressed sadness and concern for residents, urging them to stay safe.
Others expressed anger at the authorities, questioning why the city was not sealed off sooner.
Some blamed people in Wuhan for eating wild animals.
It is believed that animals are the primary source of the outbreak, and a now-closed seafood market in Wuhan where they were illegally sold is believed to be the source of the outbreak.
One user asked: "Do people enjoy eating wild animals that much? Hasn't the lesson from SARS been enough?"
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AFP•January 23, 2020
Wuhan residents called for help and shared worries of food shortages, with some on the "verge of tears", after the virus-hit central Chinese city was put on effective lockdown on Thursday.
Planes and trains out of Wuhan -- the outbreak epicentre of the SARS-like virus -- were cancelled, with public transport also suspended as authorities told residents not to leave in a bid to control the spread of the virus.
The search term "Wuhan is sealed off" had been read at least 510 million times on China's Twitter-like Weibo platform by Thursday morning with some 214,000 discussion posts.
Some residents said they were on the "verge of tears" as they read news of the lockdown, adding that their families' lives were "threatened constantly and the target of online abuse".
"We consciously avoid going out, disinfect diligently and wear masks," wrote one user in a social media post.
"But there is a lack of food and disinfectants, and we need more resources. We hope everyone can understand that we are feeling as though it is the end of the world.
"We really need everyone's help".
Some called on the government to provide more resources to Wuhan, saying there were not enough masks to buy and that food prices were rising.
One user said: "Could the government help to resolve the issue of resources? Can we control food prices?"
The number of confirmed cases of pneumonia caused by the new SARS-like virus is over 570, according to China's National Health Commission, with most in Wuhan.
One video being shared on social media showed a bride in a nearby city wearing a surgical mask, and saying that all the guests who had visited Wuhan for work had been seated at the same table.
Lunar New Year celebrations begin Friday, and it is a popular time for weddings in China.
Another social media user, whose location was tagged as Wuhan, said she is skipping a reunion dinner this year and apologised to her family online.
Video clips of reporters from local news outlets, who were shown wearing masks on camera, made the rounds online as well.
Many internet users from outside the city expressed sadness and concern for residents, urging them to stay safe.
Others expressed anger at the authorities, questioning why the city was not sealed off sooner.
Some blamed people in Wuhan for eating wild animals.
It is believed that animals are the primary source of the outbreak, and a now-closed seafood market in Wuhan where they were illegally sold is believed to be the source of the outbreak.
One user asked: "Do people enjoy eating wild animals that much? Hasn't the lesson from SARS been enough?"
'End of the world': Wuhan a ghost town under quarantine
Wuhan residents called for help and shared worries of food shortages Thursday, with streets in the virus-hit central Chinese city left deserted after it was put on lockdown. After he bought some, the person behind him in the queue bought the remaining stock in the shop.
Heliobas Disciple
TB Fanatic
4 people in Quebec test negative for coronavirus; test results pending for fifth
Five people in Quebec who had recently travelled to China and displayed symptoms of a respiratory virus are currently being tested for coronavirus.
montreal.ctvnews.ca
Quebec health officials monitoring 5 people for possible cases of coronavirus
Matthew Lapierre
Published Wednesday, January 22, 2020 4:32PM EST | Last Updated Wednesday, January 22, 2020 4:51PM EST
MONTREAL -- Six people in Quebec who had recently travelled to China have displayed symptoms of a respiratory virus, a spokesperson for the provincial health ministry said on Wednesday.
It is not yet clear if they are suffering from another type of respiratory virus or Wuhan coronavirus, the spokesperson added. Five of them are being monitored in hospitals in Montreal and Quebec City as a precautionary measure. The ministry did not say which hospitals. A sixth has tested negative for the virus and has been discharged from the hospital.
The announcement came after the health ministry announced it was on watch for the virus and was taking pre-emptive measures to warn doctors, nurses and other health officials.
"The Minister of Health and Social Services wishes to reassure the population and to recall that, as the epidemiological situation is evolving rapidly, the necessary measures have been taken to diagnose cases that could arise in Quebec," the ministry said in a statement.
Officials have issued guidelines to emergency rooms, instructing them on how to triage and manage potential cases of the virus. Info-Sante has also received a notice about the virus.
At airports, provincial health officials are monitoring incoming travelers from China and Thailand -- those countries are considered "under surveillance" according to a spokesperson for the health minister.
The ministry also noted, however, that few cases had yet been diagnosed outside of China.
"The global risk for Canadians remains low," the ministry insisted.
Outside of China, confirmed cases of the virus have appeared in Thailand, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and the United States, the ministry stated.
According to current information, it is possible the virus can be transmitted between people -- several cases have been confirmed among healthcare workers.
The virus, officially known as 2019-nCoV, is similar to severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). Cases began to appear in Wuhan, China, centred around a seafood and animal market, the ministry said. As of Wednesday at 4 p.m., over 400 cases had been confirmed in China; 17 had died.
The fact that some cases do not seem to be linked with the Huanan seafood market means we cannot exclude the possibility of limited human-to-human transmission.
The World Health Organization on Wednesday convened a group of experts to advise whether the outbreak should be declared a global emergency. The group did not announce a decision and will meet again on Thursday.
Canada's chief public health officer said earlier this week the risk to Canadians of contracting the virus remains low, but airports in Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal -- all of which have direct flights from China -- would begin screening passengers as one measure of defence.
helen
Panic Sex Lady
Almost one in five known cases in Wuhan are critical or dead.
jward
passin' thru
The professional can't speak to, or game out those #s, due to the rigours of science, but yeah, we assume the streets are full of mild, moderate and recovered cases, all of which never rose to the level of seeking care.
Likewise one must assume they're contagious, and pose potential risk to those they infect, depending upon the health status of the infectee. I have read at least once in last 36 hrs that there's been no " super spreader". How that can be known for certainty is beyond me, though.
jward
passin' thru
Remember Helen, like here during flu season we only have records of the sickest, as they are the ones seeking treatment.
Additionally, the records show clear evidence of co-morbidity in the deceased, and it's simply too early to early to draw any inferences from the numbers...
mzkitty
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goosebeans
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Matt, for what it's worth, I came down real sick while in basic training. December, Ft. Dix,NJ. We'd just come in from a week at the range. Sleeping on the ground in shelter halfs at 19 degrees F. Everyone was battling bronchitis, laryngitis etc. even before we went out there. We were all sick. Anyway, back in the barracks Sunday morning I was feeling so bad I went to sick call. I'd taken two Tylenol before leaving. I remember the screener took my temp and it was 100.1. He said that since I'd taken Tylenol and it was still 100.1 it was grounds for admission to the hospital. Turns out I had bilateral pneumonia.
On a side note. I think a stay in a Chinese hospital would probably have been a far more pleasant place to be than Walton Army Medical Center was! I remember getting into that hospital bed and it was shear bliss to be warm and comfortable. I fell asleep, dreamed I'd died and gone to heaven, then was shaken awake by the nurse wanting to take vitals. She looked at the thermometer "104!!! You need to go under a cold shower!" I kind of chuckled, thinking she was being funny. "I'm not kidding" she says. I was paraded down the hall to the showers where she turned the tap on cold and set another (sick) soldier with a stop watch outside the curtain. She was instructed to not to let me out for 15 minutes! I screamed for the whole fifteen minutes! It felt like knives! A few hours later the fever was heading back up at 102. The punishment for that was to sit outside the nurses station where you were handed one of those huge "Big Gulp" cups of Koolaid and you had 10 minutes to drink it all. Sent me into shock, so they shoved me in a wheelchair and carted me back to bed. I think it was Tuesday before they started antibiotics. Oh and Robitusin. Was allowed to have Robitusin if you were awake coughing in the night. Five days in that joint. What an experience. They found I had a fractured foot too.
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jward
passin' thru
k kids, save this video for the next sheeple type who asks why you prep
...you do have your 90 days worth of food, masks, & medical, right???
( N don't really tell sheeple what yer up to or have, o course )
ELINT News (@ELINTNews) Tweeted:
Purported video of locals fighting over food supplies in Wuhan amid a rush to stock up due to city-wide lockdown 财经冷眼 on Twitter View: https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1220224652364144640?s=20
...you do have your 90 days worth of food, masks, & medical, right???
( N don't really tell sheeple what yer up to or have, o course )
ELINT News (@ELINTNews) Tweeted:
Purported video of locals fighting over food supplies in Wuhan amid a rush to stock up due to city-wide lockdown 财经冷眼 on Twitter View: https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1220224652364144640?s=20
pauldingbabe
The Great Cat
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This is the year of the rat. The first year of the 12 year calender cycle. This is a big f'n deal as travel, endless celebrations, family goes home for this the beginning of the new cycle. People who only travel to China every 12 years are going to China this year. Year of the rat is considered very lucky and has much superstition and mojo as far as the new year goes. Seriously.
And they have 11 million in a box...
What could go wrong?!?
jazzy
Advocate Discernment
im sorry mike for your wifes struggles. we will be praying for you both.
mzkitty
I give up.
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Mark D
Now running for Emperor.
That level of response seems, "Unusual"; Almost as if they're genuinely worried about something.
Yeah. I'm guessing from the reaction, the number of suspected cases outside of the PRC, and the number of admitted cases and deaths by Beijing this is being under reported by Beijing by a factor of between 5 and 10.
So many overseas don't prep because they can't. Refrigerators are tiny dorm types if they have them at all. Or electricity. Or heat. They don't have space like we do. Nor storage facilities. Nor funds.
I watched a documentary years ago on how life is in parts of China where working in a factory was more than just a job. The part I remember is that one of the perks of working in a factory was that there were bath rooms, warm with warm water, in which to bathe. Their homes had no heat, in a place where winters could be very cold. They would take their children there once a week to bathe them, and I guess themselves. It was too cold in their homes to undress their children even if they had warm water for bathing. This was a serious perk. Things were that bad. Are they better now? I don't know.
Those people in Wuhan, even if it is 11 million strong, are most likely in dire straits. In the middle of an epidemic which has uncertain mortality. Limited supplies. Scared. With family members who may be sick, with limited medical facilities at the best of times. Little or no supplies now.
I pray that they overcome this terrible new disease, not only for the rest of the world, but for themselves. I pray they find comfort, that their families are reunited and that they have the basics of life met. We may be at odds with the government, but people are pretty much the same the world over. In the end, we are all inhabitants of a tiny, fragile blue/green paradise in the cold vacuum of space. Prayers for the people of Wuhan. Prayers for us all.
I watched a documentary years ago on how life is in parts of China where working in a factory was more than just a job. The part I remember is that one of the perks of working in a factory was that there were bath rooms, warm with warm water, in which to bathe. Their homes had no heat, in a place where winters could be very cold. They would take their children there once a week to bathe them, and I guess themselves. It was too cold in their homes to undress their children even if they had warm water for bathing. This was a serious perk. Things were that bad. Are they better now? I don't know.
Those people in Wuhan, even if it is 11 million strong, are most likely in dire straits. In the middle of an epidemic which has uncertain mortality. Limited supplies. Scared. With family members who may be sick, with limited medical facilities at the best of times. Little or no supplies now.
I pray that they overcome this terrible new disease, not only for the rest of the world, but for themselves. I pray they find comfort, that their families are reunited and that they have the basics of life met. We may be at odds with the government, but people are pretty much the same the world over. In the end, we are all inhabitants of a tiny, fragile blue/green paradise in the cold vacuum of space. Prayers for the people of Wuhan. Prayers for us all.
goosebeans
Veteran Member
At the time, as a new recruit, I thought "Well, it is the Army, I guess it's part of making us tough." But I can tell you, I went on to become a medic and then Army nursing school, and no hospital or field unit I worked in - 43rd MASH, Korea, Madigan Army Med Center, Washington, plus small field units with very, very limited equipment - would ever treat patients like that! I really think that place was out of bounds, completely! It's gone now, tore down a few years ago.
jward
passin' thru
Good!! The only possible positive is when we're hurt or misused it strengthens our resolve that we will do all we can to never ever let anyone else suffer the same way... I bet you were / are one hell of a nurse! : )
goosebeans
Veteran Member
Yeah, Pinecone. Did you see the video where they were fighting over the foor at the supermarket. It looked as though everything the lady was buying was greens and other veggies. Nothing substantial for energy, no cans of anything, that I could see.
Heliobas Disciple
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You know, I wonder how many of us have met over the years in passing, just strangers who for a few minutes had a conversation, or smiled at the kindness of keeping a door open or any of those little moments in life we take for granted. Especially those of us who were associated with the military either as members or family? One of these days, on the other side, it'll be fun to find out!