adgal
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Thank you!
CORONA Main Coronavirus thread
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bw
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I have to go see the doc Friday. Public transit takes me through Chinatown, but saves me a looooong uphill walk. Thinking about doing the walking instead.
SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Death Smog over Wuhan
With no cars or public transportation running, I wonder what they could be burning to cause the smog?
Fears thick smog over Wuhan confirms China is burning coronavirus bodies
Several Chinese people voiced their concern over the fog which has engulfed Wuhan. It's fuelled fears the death toll inside coronavirus-hit China is higher than what has been reportedwww.dailystar.co.uk
Dead people?
DazedandConfused
Veteran Member
Yep its going to get ugly ! Back when Japan was hit with the tsunami we ran out of parts about two weeks later. That event was a big learning experience and we have now started to source more parts here in the US but at a much higher cost. But that being said all it takes is a shortage of one major part and the whole production line stops .
Retooling here to replace parts made elsewhere cost millions and takes months.
All of our competitors are getting their parts from the same factories in China its going to hit big when it does.
This does not count replacement parts for units already sold and in the field the trickle down of all this will be major if the factories in China doing get up and running soon.
adgal
Veteran Member
I see so many posts on Facebook that are emulating this line of thinking - just wash your hands for twenty seconds and you're all good. Don't worry - the flu is worse. I wonder if those people who are offering advice will also be willing to share in the consequences when people don't prepare and don't take this seriously? Thanks for responding, Shane!
Mark D
Now running for Emperor.
Looks like regular fog to me. Maybe, since all of the pollution is down, the locals simply don't know what real weather looks like?Death Smog over Wuhan
With no cars or public transportation running, I wonder what they could be burning to cause the smog?
Fears thick smog over Wuhan confirms China is burning coronavirus bodies
Several Chinese people voiced their concern over the fog which has engulfed Wuhan. It's fuelled fears the death toll inside coronavirus-hit China is higher than what has been reported
adgal
Veteran Member
Really good point - thank you!
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
This is definitely a stuck on stupid move!
Tarryn
Senior Member
Wuhan medic says 'there are more coronavirus deaths and infections'
Wuhan medic says 'there are many more coronavirus deaths and infections than reported' because those who die while waiting to be tested are not considered victims of the virus
By Luke Andrews For Mailonline17:04 04 Feb 2020, updated 18:04 04 Feb 2020
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Hospital worker Jeisi Luo, not his real name, also made the shocking claim that there are far more cases than official figures suggest, because the waiting list for diagnosis is too long.
Official figures from China claim there are 20,478 cases in the country, with 13,522 of these recorded in the virus epicentre and surrounding Hubei province, although the actual figure is suspected to be higher.
A video emerged two weeks ago from the province of a medical worker claiming there are as many as 90,000 cases in the city.
Footage filmed at Wuhan's Number Three hospital this week showed eight body bags loaded in a bus, with more allegedly added while the recorder was inside the hospital for five minutes.
Hospital worker Jeisi Luo, not his real name, made the shocking claims. Pictured above is a hospital worker in a Wuhan hospital yesterday
There have been 20,671 cases of coronavirus worldwide so far, and 13,522 in Wuhan
Mr Luo warned that the problem lies in an inability to carry out enough nucleic acid tests (NAT), which diagnose the virus.
'When preliminary tests determine that a patient has a lung sickness, the nucleic acid test which detects the virus, cannot always be carried out because the waiting list is too long,' he told DW. 'The patient is therefore not diagnosed.'
He said medics were dealing with this crisis by 'prescribing medicine' and sending patients home to 'self-isolate'.
'The waiting rooms are full of people coughing,' he said. 'Healthy people who have to wait in these conditions risk infection.'
He added that China's emergency 120 number is totally overwhelmed and that, with insufficient taxis to take everyone to hospital, some sufferers are walking there to receive treatment.
Mr Luo warned that the problem lies in an inability to carry out tests for the virus fast enough
Pictured above is one of the 1,000 bed hospitals in Wuhan, China, which has been built to help the country handle the virus outbreak
China has raced to build two hospitals with more than 1,000 beds to help it handle the crisis, as well as putting Wuhan in lock-down.
However, it is expected that the new hospitals will not provide high enough capacity as there won't be enough doctors and medical staff available to run them.
Pictures from inside the new hospital show rows and rows of beds next to each other.
Appeals have also gone out on social media for face masks and other essential supplies to be sent to the beleaguered city.
The virus has managed to spread to 27 other countries so far, with Belgium being the latest to report a case.
The number of cases in China jumped by more than 3,000 in a day yesterday.
Many nations including France and the US have flown their citizens out of China, and the UK foreign office has advised all 30,000 British nationals in the country to leave China.
Wuhan medic says 'there are many more coronavirus deaths and infections than reported' because those who die while waiting to be tested are not considered victims of the virus
By Luke Andrews For Mailonline17:04 04 Feb 2020, updated 18:04 04 Feb 2020
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- Hospital worker Jeisi Luo, not real name, warned about the dangerous situation
- He said that hospitals are unable to test everyone that arrives for the virus
- Figures from China claim there are 20,478 cases, but this has been disputed
Hospital worker Jeisi Luo, not his real name, also made the shocking claim that there are far more cases than official figures suggest, because the waiting list for diagnosis is too long.
Official figures from China claim there are 20,478 cases in the country, with 13,522 of these recorded in the virus epicentre and surrounding Hubei province, although the actual figure is suspected to be higher.
A video emerged two weeks ago from the province of a medical worker claiming there are as many as 90,000 cases in the city.
Footage filmed at Wuhan's Number Three hospital this week showed eight body bags loaded in a bus, with more allegedly added while the recorder was inside the hospital for five minutes.
Mr Luo warned that the problem lies in an inability to carry out enough nucleic acid tests (NAT), which diagnose the virus.
'When preliminary tests determine that a patient has a lung sickness, the nucleic acid test which detects the virus, cannot always be carried out because the waiting list is too long,' he told DW. 'The patient is therefore not diagnosed.'
He said medics were dealing with this crisis by 'prescribing medicine' and sending patients home to 'self-isolate'.
'The waiting rooms are full of people coughing,' he said. 'Healthy people who have to wait in these conditions risk infection.'
He added that China's emergency 120 number is totally overwhelmed and that, with insufficient taxis to take everyone to hospital, some sufferers are walking there to receive treatment.
Pictured above is one of the 1,000 bed hospitals in Wuhan, China, which has been built to help the country handle the virus outbreak
China has raced to build two hospitals with more than 1,000 beds to help it handle the crisis, as well as putting Wuhan in lock-down.
However, it is expected that the new hospitals will not provide high enough capacity as there won't be enough doctors and medical staff available to run them.
Pictures from inside the new hospital show rows and rows of beds next to each other.
Appeals have also gone out on social media for face masks and other essential supplies to be sent to the beleaguered city.
The virus has managed to spread to 27 other countries so far, with Belgium being the latest to report a case.
The number of cases in China jumped by more than 3,000 in a day yesterday.
Many nations including France and the US have flown their citizens out of China, and the UK foreign office has advised all 30,000 British nationals in the country to leave China.
Tarryn
Senior Member
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/KTLA/status/1224751845014302720
Child Fleeing Coronavirus in China Is Hospitalized in Riverside County After Developing Fever
Child Fleeing Coronavirus in China Is Hospitalized in Riverside County After Developing Fever
A charter plane lands at March Air Reserve Base in Riverside, California on January 29, 2020, with passengers evacuated from Wuhan, the Chinese city at the heart of a growing outbreak of the deadly 2019 Novel Coronavirus. (Credit: MATT HARTMAN/AFP via Getty Images)
A child who arrived last week at March Air Reserve Base as part of a group of Americans fleeing the coronavirus in China has been hospitalized after developing a fever, while another traveler who arrived at LAX has been quarantined at the base, Riverside County officials said Tuesday.
The child, accompanied by a parent, was taken by ambulance to Riverside University Health System-Medical Center for testing and observation after developing a fever, according to a news release from county health officials.
The move was taken “out of an abundance of caution,” the release stated.
The patient was among a group of 195 Americans being housed at the military base. All were placed under a 14-day federal quarantine last Friday, two days after the travelers landed.
At least six cases of novel coronavirus have been diagnosed in California, but so far none of them are tied to the passengers who were sent to the base after being evacuated from China amid the outbreak.
Meanwhile, a traveler who arrived at Los Angeles International Airport on Monday has been placed under a federal quarantine and taken to the base, which is located in the Riverside area.
The individual had no symptoms of novel coronavirus, but “was moved to March out of an abundance of caution and because of their travel history,” according to the news release.
He or she will be quarantined through Thursday and isolated from the other American passengers.
As of Tuesday morning, there are more than 20,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus in China, up over 3,000 from the previous day, according to CNN. The death rate is about 2.1% in the country.
There are over 200 diagnosed cases of coronavirus outside of China, including at least 11 in the United States.
The World Health Organization declared the new virus a global health emergency last week.
Check back for updates on this developing story.
Child Fleeing Coronavirus in China Is Hospitalized in Riverside County After Developing Fever
Child Fleeing Coronavirus in China Is Hospitalized in Riverside County After Developing Fever
- Tracy Bloom
- 52 mins ago
A charter plane lands at March Air Reserve Base in Riverside, California on January 29, 2020, with passengers evacuated from Wuhan, the Chinese city at the heart of a growing outbreak of the deadly 2019 Novel Coronavirus. (Credit: MATT HARTMAN/AFP via Getty Images)
A child who arrived last week at March Air Reserve Base as part of a group of Americans fleeing the coronavirus in China has been hospitalized after developing a fever, while another traveler who arrived at LAX has been quarantined at the base, Riverside County officials said Tuesday.
The child, accompanied by a parent, was taken by ambulance to Riverside University Health System-Medical Center for testing and observation after developing a fever, according to a news release from county health officials.
The move was taken “out of an abundance of caution,” the release stated.
The patient was among a group of 195 Americans being housed at the military base. All were placed under a 14-day federal quarantine last Friday, two days after the travelers landed.
At least six cases of novel coronavirus have been diagnosed in California, but so far none of them are tied to the passengers who were sent to the base after being evacuated from China amid the outbreak.
Meanwhile, a traveler who arrived at Los Angeles International Airport on Monday has been placed under a federal quarantine and taken to the base, which is located in the Riverside area.
The individual had no symptoms of novel coronavirus, but “was moved to March out of an abundance of caution and because of their travel history,” according to the news release.
He or she will be quarantined through Thursday and isolated from the other American passengers.
As of Tuesday morning, there are more than 20,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus in China, up over 3,000 from the previous day, according to CNN. The death rate is about 2.1% in the country.
There are over 200 diagnosed cases of coronavirus outside of China, including at least 11 in the United States.
The World Health Organization declared the new virus a global health emergency last week.
Check back for updates on this developing story.
Cops: Masked man claiming coronavirus infection sprays Lysol inside Route 59 Walmart
Two suspects seen spraying Lysol inside Route 59 Walmart
bw
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Ractivist
Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
This "hospital" is but a transtion bed to death...every single one of them. No containment what so ever. I hope our quarantined locations isolate on a per person level, otherwise it's a mute point. One bad apple spoils the whole bunch.Wuhan medic says 'there are more coronavirus deaths and infections'
Wuhan medic says 'there are many more coronavirus deaths and infections than reported' because those who die while waiting to be tested are not considered victims of the virus
By Luke Andrews For Mailonline17:04 04 Feb 2020, updated 18:04 04 Feb 2020
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A Wuhan medic has said there are more deaths from coronavirus than reported, as patients are dying before they can even be tested for the virus.
- Hospital worker Jeisi Luo, not real name, warned about the dangerous situation
- He said that hospitals are unable to test everyone that arrives for the virus
- Figures from China claim there are 20,478 cases, but this has been disputed
Hospital worker Jeisi Luo, not his real name, also made the shocking claim that there are far more cases than official figures suggest, because the waiting list for diagnosis is too long.
Official figures from China claim there are 20,478 cases in the country, with 13,522 of these recorded in the virus epicentre and surrounding Hubei province, although the actual figure is suspected to be higher.
A video emerged two weeks ago from the province of a medical worker claiming there are as many as 90,000 cases in the city.
Footage filmed at Wuhan's Number Three hospital this week showed eight body bags loaded in a bus, with more allegedly added while the recorder was inside the hospital for five minutes.
Hospital worker Jeisi Luo, not his real name, made the shocking claims. Pictured above is a hospital worker in a Wuhan hospital yesterdayThere have been 20,671 cases of coronavirus worldwide so far, and 13,522 in Wuhan
Mr Luo warned that the problem lies in an inability to carry out enough nucleic acid tests (NAT), which diagnose the virus.
'When preliminary tests determine that a patient has a lung sickness, the nucleic acid test which detects the virus, cannot always be carried out because the waiting list is too long,' he told DW. 'The patient is therefore not diagnosed.'
He said medics were dealing with this crisis by 'prescribing medicine' and sending patients home to 'self-isolate'.
'The waiting rooms are full of people coughing,' he said. 'Healthy people who have to wait in these conditions risk infection.'
He added that China's emergency 120 number is totally overwhelmed and that, with insufficient taxis to take everyone to hospital, some sufferers are walking there to receive treatment.
Mr Luo warned that the problem lies in an inability to carry out tests for the virus fast enough
Pictured above is one of the 1,000 bed hospitals in Wuhan, China, which has been built to help the country handle the virus outbreak
China has raced to build two hospitals with more than 1,000 beds to help it handle the crisis, as well as putting Wuhan in lock-down.
However, it is expected that the new hospitals will not provide high enough capacity as there won't be enough doctors and medical staff available to run them.
Pictures from inside the new hospital show rows and rows of beds next to each other.
Appeals have also gone out on social media for face masks and other essential supplies to be sent to the beleaguered city.
The virus has managed to spread to 27 other countries so far, with Belgium being the latest to report a case.
The number of cases in China jumped by more than 3,000 in a day yesterday.
Many nations including France and the US have flown their citizens out of China, and the UK foreign office has advised all 30,000 British nationals in the country to leave China.
I would bet ours is but the same, as the globalists WHO make such decisions are using this virus as the means to fulfill the Georgia Guidestones goals. This will not end well. I'd say it's safe to say the White Horse and the Pale Horse of the Apocalypse have shown their cards, with the Black Horse in the wings of the locusts. Red horse being war, it's quite possible there is a retaliatory strike called by China to create the illusion this was an outside biological attack on China by the enemy it chooses. Likely us. Most likely after the virus spreads to a larger degree, here in the US.
Just postulating.
I've tried twice, last Friday and today to discuss this virus on talk radio. They have not taken my call either time. Left me on hold over thirty minutes each time, while going on and on about stuff till time runs out. The local media WDWS radio, is and has routinely, censored me for telling it as I see it. I got thru early last week and suggested the wisdom in panic early and avoid the rush. I suggested we are not sure, but the gravity of this could be very serious. Now it's going there and they censor me. I agree they want to avoid panic, but now is the time to shore up, not once the sheep realize the gravity and the real panic begins....and it becomes too late. Frustrating. But I will call again tomorrow.
I wish they would leave them quarantined at the base rather than expose dozens more. I thought the reason they moved the flight there in the first place was because they were better equipped to handleView: https://mobile.twitter.com/KTLA/status/1224751845014302720
Child Fleeing Coronavirus in China Is Hospitalized in Riverside County After Developing Fever
Child Fleeing Coronavirus in China Is Hospitalized in Riverside County After Developing Fever
- Tracy Bloom
- 52 mins ago
A charter plane lands at March Air Reserve Base in Riverside, California on January 29, 2020, with passengers evacuated from Wuhan, the Chinese city at the heart of a growing outbreak of the deadly 2019 Novel Coronavirus. (Credit: MATT HARTMAN/AFP via Getty Images)
A child who arrived last week at March Air Reserve Base as part of a group of Americans fleeing the coronavirus in China has been hospitalized after developing a fever, while another traveler who arrived at LAX has been quarantined at the base, Riverside County officials said Tuesday.
The child, accompanied by a parent, was taken by ambulance to Riverside University Health System-Medical Center for testing and observation after developing a fever, according to a news release from county health officials.
The move was taken “out of an abundance of caution,” the release stated.
The patient was among a group of 195 Americans being housed at the military base. All were placed under a 14-day federal quarantine last Friday, two days after the travelers landed.
At least six cases of novel coronavirus have been diagnosed in California, but so far none of them are tied to the passengers who were sent to the base after being evacuated from China amid the outbreak.
Meanwhile, a traveler who arrived at Los Angeles International Airport on Monday has been placed under a federal quarantine and taken to the base, which is located in the Riverside area.
The individual had no symptoms of novel coronavirus, but “was moved to March out of an abundance of caution and because of their travel history,” according to the news release.
He or she will be quarantined through Thursday and isolated from the other American passengers.
As of Tuesday morning, there are more than 20,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus in China, up over 3,000 from the previous day, according to CNN. The death rate is about 2.1% in the country.
There are over 200 diagnosed cases of coronavirus outside of China, including at least 11 in the United States.
The World Health Organization declared the new virus a global health emergency last week.
Check back for updates on this developing story.
anyone showing symptoms.
Tarryn
Senior Member
Coronavirus: two more cases in Hong Kong as city confirms first death
Coronavirus: two more cases confirmed in Hong Kong, suspected to have been transmitted locally, hours after city confirms first death
Health officials said there was no obvious source of infection for the two most recent cases but it was suspected it had been transmitted locally. It took the total number of cases in the city to 17.
Dr Chuang Shuk-kwan, head of the Centre for Health Protection’s communicable disease branch, said so far four confirmed cases presented “no obvious source of infection”, and warned of the possibility of outbreaks in the community.
“It is highly probably the four cases were infected locally, so there could be invisible chains of infection happening within communities,” Chuang said. “We do not rule out a large spread [of the virus] in the future.”
She urged people to maintain good personal hygiene and wash their hands frequently, and said some reports had shown the virus could linger on door handles.
The Department of Health said neither patient had any recent travel history to mainland China nor family members who had crossed the border.
The first of the new cases concerned a woman, 64, who went to work at a clothing store in Jordan, Kowloon while displaying symptoms on January 23.
The department said they were not sure how many people had been in contact with the female patient, as she was in a deteriorating state and on a ventilator.
The other, a 60 year-old male retiree, visited four private clinics before he was taken to hospital and later tested positive for the virus.
Earlier on Tuesday morning, a man being treated for the virus at Princess Margaret Hospital in Kwai Chung, died after his condition deteriorated. He had suffered sudden heart failure, according to medical sources.
The Whampoa Garden resident was previously identified as Hong Kong’s 13th confirmed case of the novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan. His death is the second fatality linked with the outbreak that has been reported outside mainland China.
He had been to Wuhan, the provincial capital of Hubei, on January 21 and returned to Hong Kong two days later via the Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link, before developing a fever on January 31.
The man was admitted to Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Yau Ma Tei on the same day, where he was confirmed to be infected before his transfer to an isolation ward at Princess Margaret Hospital.
Coronavirus: two more cases confirmed in Hong Kong, suspected to have been transmitted locally, hours after city confirms first death
- Two new cases, both in their 60s, had not travelled to mainland China recently, and health chief warns of potential for outbreak in city
- City suffers first fatality related to deadly virus originating in Wuhan, the second outside mainland China
Health officials said there was no obvious source of infection for the two most recent cases but it was suspected it had been transmitted locally. It took the total number of cases in the city to 17.
Dr Chuang Shuk-kwan, head of the Centre for Health Protection’s communicable disease branch, said so far four confirmed cases presented “no obvious source of infection”, and warned of the possibility of outbreaks in the community.
“It is highly probably the four cases were infected locally, so there could be invisible chains of infection happening within communities,” Chuang said. “We do not rule out a large spread [of the virus] in the future.”
She urged people to maintain good personal hygiene and wash their hands frequently, and said some reports had shown the virus could linger on door handles.
The Department of Health said neither patient had any recent travel history to mainland China nor family members who had crossed the border.
The first of the new cases concerned a woman, 64, who went to work at a clothing store in Jordan, Kowloon while displaying symptoms on January 23.
The department said they were not sure how many people had been in contact with the female patient, as she was in a deteriorating state and on a ventilator.
The other, a 60 year-old male retiree, visited four private clinics before he was taken to hospital and later tested positive for the virus.
Earlier on Tuesday morning, a man being treated for the virus at Princess Margaret Hospital in Kwai Chung, died after his condition deteriorated. He had suffered sudden heart failure, according to medical sources.
The Whampoa Garden resident was previously identified as Hong Kong’s 13th confirmed case of the novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan. His death is the second fatality linked with the outbreak that has been reported outside mainland China.
He had been to Wuhan, the provincial capital of Hubei, on January 21 and returned to Hong Kong two days later via the Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link, before developing a fever on January 31.
The man was admitted to Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Yau Ma Tei on the same day, where he was confirmed to be infected before his transfer to an isolation ward at Princess Margaret Hospital.
northern watch
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Qingqing_Chen @qingqingparis 3h3 hours ago
I have never seen my hometown like this
Tonight, the city conducts full-scale disinfectant to contain #CoronavirusOutbreak, Yichang has recorded so far more than 400 confirmed cases as of Tuesday. The city is 400 kilometers away from #Wuhan. #2019_nCov
I have never seen my hometown like this
northern watch
TB Fanatic
BNO NewsroomVerified account @BNODesk 6h6 hours ago
BNO Newsroom Retweeted BNO Newsroom
UK Foreign Office says the British Consulate in Chongqing is now closed due to coronavirus. Another one in Wuhan was already closed.
BNO Newsroom Retweeted BNO Newsroom
UK Foreign Office says the British Consulate in Chongqing is now closed due to coronavirus. Another one in Wuhan was already closed.
Mark D
Now running for Emperor.
Ya... That's not a normal response.Qingqing_Chen @qingqingparis 3h3 hours ago
I have never seen my hometown like thisTonight, the city conducts full-scale disinfectant to contain#CoronavirusOutbreak, Yichang has recorded so far more than 400 confirmed cases as of Tuesday. The city is 400 kilometers away from#Wuhan.#2019_nCov
They're either doing something to say they're doing something, or, they're REALLY panicked.
intothatgoodnight
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Speech by Chinese General Given Two Decades Ago Finds New Relevance Today
www.theepochtimes.com
Did China’s Plan To Destroy The United States Backfire?
J.R. Nyquist
January 31, 2020
In a secret speech given to high-level Communist Party cadres nearly two decades ago, Chinese Defense Minister Gen. Chi Haotian explained a long-range plan for ensuring a Chinese national renaissance.
He said there were three vital issues that must be grasped. The first was the issue of living space—because China is severely overpopulated and China’s environment is deteriorating. The second issue, therefore, was that the Communist Party must teach the Chinese people to “go out.” By this, Chi meant the conquest of new lands, in which a “second China” could be built by “colonization.” From this, arose the third vital issue: the “issue of America.”
Chi warned his listeners: “This appears to be shocking, but the logic is actually very simple. … [China is] in fundamental conflict with the Western strategic interest.” Therefore, the United States would never allow China to seize other countries to build a second China. The United States stands in China’s way.
Chi explained the problem as follows: “Would the United States allow us to go out to gain new living space? First, if the United States is firm in blocking us, it is hard for us to do anything significant to Taiwan, Vietnam, India, or even Japan, [so] how much more living space can we get? Very trivial! Only countries like the United States, Canada, and Australia have the vast land to serve our need for mass colonization.”
“We are not as foolish as to want to perish together with America by using nuclear weapons,” the general said. “Only by using non-destructive weapons that can kill many people will we be able to reserve America for ourselves.”
The answer is found in biological weapons.
“Of course,” he added, “we have not been idle. In the past years, we have seized the opportunity to master weapons of this kind.”
The ruling Chinese Communist Party considers biological weapons to be the most important weapons for accomplishing their goal of “cleaning up America.” Chi credits former Party leader Deng Xiaoping with putting biological weapons ahead of all other weapon systems in the Chinese arsenal: “When Comrade Xiaoping was still with us, the Party Central Committee had the perspicacity to make the right decision not to develop aircraft carrier groups and focus instead on developing lethal weapons that can eliminate mass populations of the enemy country.”
It may seem difficult to believe, but Chi considered himself to be a “humanitarian” communist, and therefore admitted to mixed personal feelings on this matter: “I sometimes think how cruel it is for China and the United States to be enemies.”
After all, he noted, the United States helped China in World War II. Chinese people remember that the United States opposed Japanese imperialism. But none of that matters now.
“In the long run,” said Chi, “the relationship of China and the United States is one of a life-and-death struggle.” This tragic situation must be accepted.
According to Chi, “We must not forget that the history of our civilization repeatedly has taught us that one mountain does not allow two tigers to live together.”
China’s overpopulation problem and environmental degradation will eventually result in social collapse and civil war, according to Chi. He estimated that “more than 800 million” Chinese would die in such a collapse. Therefore, the Chinese Communist Party has no policy alternative.
Either the United States is “cleaned up” by biological attacks, or China suffers national catastrophe.
“We must prepare ourselves for two scenarios,” Chi said. “If our biological weapons succeed in the surprise attack, the Chinese people will be able to keep their losses at a minimum in the fight against the United States. If, however, the attack fails and triggers a nuclear retaliation from the United States, China would perhaps suffer a catastrophe in which more than half of its population would perish. That is why we need to be ready with air defense systems for our big and medium-sized cities.”
In his speech, Chi provides us with a key for understanding China’s development strategy.
“Our economic development is all about preparing for the needs of war!” he said.
It’s not about improving the life of Chinese people in the short run. It’s not about building a consumer-oriented capitalist society. “Publicly,” said Chi, “we still emphasize economic development as our center, but in reality, economic development has war as its center!”
The same can be said for China’s intense interest in the biological sciences.
Weaponizing Viruses
The West has yet to grasp the underlying motive for China’s ready participation in the West’s P4 microbiology labs, where the world’s most deadly microbes are studied (i.e., pathogen lethality level 4 labs). This now bubbles to the surface in the novel corona virus pandemic that has occurred in Wuhan, at the heart of China, just outside China’s principle P4 virology lab (specializing in deadly viruses).
Not long after delivering his speech, Chi stepped down as defense minister in 2003, the same year as the SARS (coronavirus) outbreak in China. This was also (coincidentally) the same year Beijing decided to build the Wuhan P4 virology lab. Given Chi’s speech, is the novel coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan an accident occasioned by weaponizing the virus at that lab?
Three data points are worth considering. First, in 2008, Taiwan’s top security official told lawmakers that “Taiwan had intelligence linking the SARS virus to research done in Chinese labs,” according to the Sydney Morning Herald.
Given China’s economic clout and political infiltration of Chinese-language media, it’s not surprising that National Security Bureau Director Tsai Chao-ming was forced to retract his statement, which had none of the usual features of a “gaffe.” Was Tsai forced to retract a statement that was true, since he couldn’t reveal his intelligence sources inside China?
Second, the Virology Journal published an article by Gulfaraz Khan on Feb. 28, 2013, that outlined the discovery of a novel coronavirus in Saudi Arabia in June 2012. It’s the very same coronavirus, but with a difference: When first discovered, it couldn’t be readily transmitted from human to human; something has changed in the virus since that time. Thus, the Wuhan version is labeled 2019-nCoV instead of simply nCoV. The latter isn’t contagious, while the former is spreading rapidly throughout China.
What do you suppose changed its transmissibility between 2012 and 2020? Random mutation or weaponization? If the current lethal outbreak had occurred in any other city than Wuhan, we might be inclined to believe in a random mutation. But Wuhan is ground zero for Chinese bioweapons.
Should we credit such a coincidence?
Third, the journal GreatGameIndia published an article titled “Coronavirus Bioweapon – How China Stole Coronavirus From Canada And Weaponized It.”
The authors were clever enough to put Khan’s Virology Journal article together with news of a security breach by Chinese nationals at the Canadian (P4) National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg, where the novel coronavirus was allegedly stored with other lethal organisms. Last May, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police were called in to investigate, and by late July, the Chinese were kicked out of the facility.
Prominent virologist Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, along with her husband and an unknown number of her students from China, were all removed from the lab, Canadian news outlet CBC reported. Qiu had been invited to “the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory of the Chinese Academy of Sciences twice a year for two years,” it reported. (A later CBC report denied claims that there was evidence the Chinese scientists stole coronavirus from the lab.)
Here, we have a plausible theory of the nCoV organism’s travels: first discovered in Saudi Arabia, then studied in Canada, from where it was stolen by a Chinese scientist and brought to Wuhan. Like the statement of Taiwan’s intelligence chief in 2008, the GreatGameIndia article has come under attack. Whatever the truth, the fact of proximity and the unlikelihood of mutation must figure into our calculations.
We must have an investigation of the outbreak in Wuhan. The Chinese must grant the world total transparency. The truth must come out. If Chinese officials are innocent, they have nothing to hide. If they are guilty, they will refuse to cooperate.
The real concern here is whether the rest of the world has the courage to demand a real and thorough investigation. We need to be fearless in this demand and not allow “economic interests” to play a coy and dishonest game of denial. We need an honest inquiry. We need it now.
J.R. Nyquist is a columnist and the author of the books “Origins of the Fourth World War” and “The Fool and His Enemy,” as well as co-author of “The New Tactics of Global War.”
Southside
Has No Life - Lives on TB
"We must have an investigation of the outbreak in Wuhan. The Chinese must grant the world total transparency. The truth must come out. If Chinese officials are innocent, they have nothing to hide. If they are guilty, they will refuse to cooperate."
Yes, they WILL refuse to cooperate.
The world knows. They are trying to make it so "The Chinese People" don't figure it out.
Or........
Southside
Yes, they WILL refuse to cooperate.
The world knows. They are trying to make it so "The Chinese People" don't figure it out.
Or........
Southside
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
Speech by Chinese General Given Two Decades Ago Finds New Relevance Today
Did China’s Plan To Destroy The United States Backfire?
J.R. Nyquist
January 31, 2020
In a secret speech given to high-level Communist Party cadres nearly two decades ago, Chinese Defense Minister Gen. Chi Haotian explained a long-range plan for ensuring a Chinese national renaissance.
He said there were three vital issues that must be grasped. The first was the issue of living space—because China is severely overpopulated and China’s environment is deteriorating. The second issue, therefore, was that the Communist Party must teach the Chinese people to “go out.” By this, Chi meant the conquest of new lands, in which a “second China” could be built by “colonization.” From this, arose the third vital issue: the “issue of America.”
Chi warned his listeners: “This appears to be shocking, but the logic is actually very simple. … [China is] in fundamental conflict with the Western strategic interest.” Therefore, the United States would never allow China to seize other countries to build a second China. The United States stands in China’s way.
Chi explained the problem as follows: “Would the United States allow us to go out to gain new living space? First, if the United States is firm in blocking us, it is hard for us to do anything significant to Taiwan, Vietnam, India, or even Japan, [so] how much more living space can we get? Very trivial! Only countries like the United States, Canada, and Australia have the vast land to serve our need for mass colonization.”
“We are not as foolish as to want to perish together with America by using nuclear weapons,” the general said. “Only by using non-destructive weapons that can kill many people will we be able to reserve America for ourselves.”
The answer is found in biological weapons.
“Of course,” he added, “we have not been idle. In the past years, we have seized the opportunity to master weapons of this kind.”
The ruling Chinese Communist Party considers biological weapons to be the most important weapons for accomplishing their goal of “cleaning up America.” Chi credits former Party leader Deng Xiaoping with putting biological weapons ahead of all other weapon systems in the Chinese arsenal: “When Comrade Xiaoping was still with us, the Party Central Committee had the perspicacity to make the right decision not to develop aircraft carrier groups and focus instead on developing lethal weapons that can eliminate mass populations of the enemy country.”
It may seem difficult to believe, but Chi considered himself to be a “humanitarian” communist, and therefore admitted to mixed personal feelings on this matter: “I sometimes think how cruel it is for China and the United States to be enemies.”
After all, he noted, the United States helped China in World War II. Chinese people remember that the United States opposed Japanese imperialism. But none of that matters now.
“In the long run,” said Chi, “the relationship of China and the United States is one of a life-and-death struggle.” This tragic situation must be accepted.
According to Chi, “We must not forget that the history of our civilization repeatedly has taught us that one mountain does not allow two tigers to live together.”
China’s overpopulation problem and environmental degradation will eventually result in social collapse and civil war, according to Chi. He estimated that “more than 800 million” Chinese would die in such a collapse. Therefore, the Chinese Communist Party has no policy alternative.
Either the United States is “cleaned up” by biological attacks, or China suffers national catastrophe.
“We must prepare ourselves for two scenarios,” Chi said. “If our biological weapons succeed in the surprise attack, the Chinese people will be able to keep their losses at a minimum in the fight against the United States. If, however, the attack fails and triggers a nuclear retaliation from the United States, China would perhaps suffer a catastrophe in which more than half of its population would perish. That is why we need to be ready with air defense systems for our big and medium-sized cities.”
In his speech, Chi provides us with a key for understanding China’s development strategy.
“Our economic development is all about preparing for the needs of war!” he said.
It’s not about improving the life of Chinese people in the short run. It’s not about building a consumer-oriented capitalist society. “Publicly,” said Chi, “we still emphasize economic development as our center, but in reality, economic development has war as its center!”
The same can be said for China’s intense interest in the biological sciences.
Weaponizing Viruses
The West has yet to grasp the underlying motive for China’s ready participation in the West’s P4 microbiology labs, where the world’s most deadly microbes are studied (i.e., pathogen lethality level 4 labs). This now bubbles to the surface in the novel corona virus pandemic that has occurred in Wuhan, at the heart of China, just outside China’s principle P4 virology lab (specializing in deadly viruses).
Not long after delivering his speech, Chi stepped down as defense minister in 2003, the same year as the SARS (coronavirus) outbreak in China. This was also (coincidentally) the same year Beijing decided to build the Wuhan P4 virology lab. Given Chi’s speech, is the novel coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan an accident occasioned by weaponizing the virus at that lab?
Three data points are worth considering. First, in 2008, Taiwan’s top security official told lawmakers that “Taiwan had intelligence linking the SARS virus to research done in Chinese labs,” according to the Sydney Morning Herald.
Given China’s economic clout and political infiltration of Chinese-language media, it’s not surprising that National Security Bureau Director Tsai Chao-ming was forced to retract his statement, which had none of the usual features of a “gaffe.” Was Tsai forced to retract a statement that was true, since he couldn’t reveal his intelligence sources inside China?
Second, the Virology Journal published an article by Gulfaraz Khan on Feb. 28, 2013, that outlined the discovery of a novel coronavirus in Saudi Arabia in June 2012. It’s the very same coronavirus, but with a difference: When first discovered, it couldn’t be readily transmitted from human to human; something has changed in the virus since that time. Thus, the Wuhan version is labeled 2019-nCoV instead of simply nCoV. The latter isn’t contagious, while the former is spreading rapidly throughout China.
What do you suppose changed its transmissibility between 2012 and 2020? Random mutation or weaponization? If the current lethal outbreak had occurred in any other city than Wuhan, we might be inclined to believe in a random mutation. But Wuhan is ground zero for Chinese bioweapons.
Should we credit such a coincidence?
Third, the journal GreatGameIndia published an article titled “Coronavirus Bioweapon – How China Stole Coronavirus From Canada And Weaponized It.”
The authors were clever enough to put Khan’s Virology Journal article together with news of a security breach by Chinese nationals at the Canadian (P4) National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg, where the novel coronavirus was allegedly stored with other lethal organisms. Last May, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police were called in to investigate, and by late July, the Chinese were kicked out of the facility.
Prominent virologist Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, along with her husband and an unknown number of her students from China, were all removed from the lab, Canadian news outlet CBC reported. Qiu had been invited to “the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory of the Chinese Academy of Sciences twice a year for two years,” it reported. (A later CBC report denied claims that there was evidence the Chinese scientists stole coronavirus from the lab.)
Here, we have a plausible theory of the nCoV organism’s travels: first discovered in Saudi Arabia, then studied in Canada, from where it was stolen by a Chinese scientist and brought to Wuhan. Like the statement of Taiwan’s intelligence chief in 2008, the GreatGameIndia article has come under attack. Whatever the truth, the fact of proximity and the unlikelihood of mutation must figure into our calculations.
We must have an investigation of the outbreak in Wuhan. The Chinese must grant the world total transparency. The truth must come out. If Chinese officials are innocent, they have nothing to hide. If they are guilty, they will refuse to cooperate.
The real concern here is whether the rest of the world has the courage to demand a real and thorough investigation. We need to be fearless in this demand and not allow “economic interests” to play a coy and dishonest game of denial. We need an honest inquiry. We need it now.
J.R. Nyquist is a columnist and the author of the books “Origins of the Fourth World War” and “The Fool and His Enemy,” as well as co-author of “The New Tactics of Global War.”
IF it were ever proven that the Chinese were going to try this for real, or they did try it and botched it and that's what we're seeing now, I would support a 100% embargo on all goods from there. As a start. We can indeed make our own stuff.
Drive them into the economic dirt, foment the ouster of their communistic demons, then maybe we let them participate in the world again. Not before.
Doc1
Has No Life - Lives on TB
The Chinese mainlanders have a reputation for some less than sanitary practices, including copious amounts of spitting in public. That said, there have now been reports of spreading Coronavirus around the northern hemisphere. Fortunately, in other areas the spread of the virus doesn't, at least not yet, seem to have reached the exponential levels seen in China. I have a few completely unqualified theories regarding this.
A.) There may be a racial and/or gender component involved, where the virus attacks Asian males more aggressively. In the absence of genealogical studies, I assume time will tell.
B.) If the speculation of an inadvertent bioweapons release from the Wuhan facility turns out to be true, it's possible that a more severe release than is currently believed to be the case may have occurred. This may have overwhelmed local residents and caused the more aggressive dispersion of the disease. In other words - and I'm waaaay out of my depth here - let's imagine that some weird catastrophic accident happened. Perhaps some technician broke a glass vial of the virus and simultaneously the filtration of the negative pressure containment failed. Something like that could have caused a massive aerosol release into the surrounding area and infected many more people than person-to-person transmission alone would have. This isn't that far fetched as massive industrial and laboratory mishaps have happened previously. If that's the case, we'll never hear the real truth out of Communist China.
C.) This last idea is, IMHO, the least likely, but it's worth mentioning. Suppose the Chinese had nothing to do with the outbreak and it was the result of Russian, or even western bio-warfare experiments and somehow these things got out of control. Again, not likely IMHO, but in the absence of a definitive answer all possibilities should be considered.
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Doc
A.) There may be a racial and/or gender component involved, where the virus attacks Asian males more aggressively. In the absence of genealogical studies, I assume time will tell.
B.) If the speculation of an inadvertent bioweapons release from the Wuhan facility turns out to be true, it's possible that a more severe release than is currently believed to be the case may have occurred. This may have overwhelmed local residents and caused the more aggressive dispersion of the disease. In other words - and I'm waaaay out of my depth here - let's imagine that some weird catastrophic accident happened. Perhaps some technician broke a glass vial of the virus and simultaneously the filtration of the negative pressure containment failed. Something like that could have caused a massive aerosol release into the surrounding area and infected many more people than person-to-person transmission alone would have. This isn't that far fetched as massive industrial and laboratory mishaps have happened previously. If that's the case, we'll never hear the real truth out of Communist China.
C.) This last idea is, IMHO, the least likely, but it's worth mentioning. Suppose the Chinese had nothing to do with the outbreak and it was the result of Russian, or even western bio-warfare experiments and somehow these things got out of control. Again, not likely IMHO, but in the absence of a definitive answer all possibilities should be considered.
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Doc
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
Both????
Think about it, it is bad for China's image.
They not only need to solve it quick, but do it in a way to blame others outside China.
Personally, my belief is that some awkward Chinese science nerd had romantic affections from afar over some very cute little lady whose hand was betrothed to another suitor and in a failed attempt to eliminate the competition he secretly removed a virus sample to infect his competition. However, his romantic scheme failed and the virus infected the object of his affection and on her deathbed he sent her on the journey to the other side with a farewell kiss thus infecting himself. After which he stopped on the way home at the fish market for comfort food to ease his pain selecting a dish of bat soup.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
20Gauge===> VME/EUCs???
I got really ticked a couple decades ago when they took away the BIG EUC that used to sit on the property (which is now a Welding Shop....if you can call Lincoln just a welding shop)
I got really ticked a couple decades ago when they took away the BIG EUC that used to sit on the property (which is now a Welding Shop....if you can call Lincoln just a welding shop)
naegling62
Veteran Member
Let's just hope the Chinese don't connect probable CIA involment with the Hong Kong uprising and this current possible bioweapon release.
Dots are just lying around waiting to be connected whether truthful or not.
northern watch
TB Fanatic
EndGameWW3 @EndGameWW3 3m3 minutes ago
Australia Confirms 13th Case of Coronavirus in Country - Sputnik International
Australia Confirms 13th Case of Coronavirus in Country - Sputnik International
Mark D
Now running for Emperor.
Since it was indeed verified that all of the samples taken from the infamous meat market tested positive for the virus, what was that, a month ago? I'm sticking to my theory that some two-dollar-an-hour BSL4 security guard was selling lab animals to the market as a side gig. Truth is, we will never know.
I don't believe for a moment that the virus is a natural emergence.
That we continue to see cases, even if a trickle for the moment, throughout the modern/Western world, is beginning to damage my calm. That we saw reports of "suspected" cases in several African countries (Chinese colonies) today, is really unpleasant to think about... At least Ebola is horrific enough to burn itself out most of the time.
Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Like the plot of every apocalyptic contagion film of the last 3 decades.
Hope the info is flat out wrong, though. For example, assuming the videos of the emergency hospital construction are actually in Wuhan, then it seem the CCP hasn't sacrificed the place yet...
100k dead is pretty hard to hide for long. Would seem cremation would not be able to keep up, and our satellites should see any mass burial activity. Don't know if our govt. would share that info.
Paying attention to what they are doing is a far better indicator of what's actually happening.
Allotrope
Inactive
TB2K is one of if not the best source of overall information on the web. Thanks to the many for the diligent work.
If (IF) this really takes off here, in an effort to control the narrative, the government may shut down sites it can not censor and control and will have the emergency powers to do just that. I am saving some posts to the hard drive so I will have info on preparedness and treatment to refer to, but there is far too much to save but a little. I wish that I could download whole threads but Dennis explained why that is not feasible. I am not overly concerned right now but do see a possible although unlikely path to information quarantine. I suspect that if this is to occur we will have strong indications first but the actual event will not be pre-announced.
If (IF) this really takes off here, in an effort to control the narrative, the government may shut down sites it can not censor and control and will have the emergency powers to do just that. I am saving some posts to the hard drive so I will have info on preparedness and treatment to refer to, but there is far too much to save but a little. I wish that I could download whole threads but Dennis explained why that is not feasible. I am not overly concerned right now but do see a possible although unlikely path to information quarantine. I suspect that if this is to occur we will have strong indications first but the actual event will not be pre-announced.
Trivium Pursuit
Has No Life - Lives on TB
They've won that award for more than a single day over the last 2 and a 1/2 months.
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
Are you suggesting that China is attempting to solve their overabundance of men issue with a virus?
Kudos to you for the best theory to date as to the cause!!