CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
oops, double post again

Shane, every single one of our urban centers has large numbers, hundreds to thousands of so called homeless who live in dismal conditions and will likely be killed in zone. My wordpress blog has that title since I think vast numbers of people will be killed, or allowed to die, in secure zones, like their houses, or even cities.

Here in CONUS once the various street type drugs vanish things will get nasty. We can joke about people withdrawing from coffee, but meth, or heroin or whatever will be nasty. Next, that drug they give the OD types that prevents them from dying will also no doubt vanish. Again, once all that happens we are going to see what will be in effect a great cleansing of our urban centers as the various homeless pathologies take control. Shane, I am wondering if "they" are factoring that in, or will they just adopt a killed in zone policy, like my essay suggests they will? I would like Dr. Hatfill's opinion on what, if any,, policy is planned to be adopted once 10,000 homeless corpses start to rot in Los Angeles for example. My blog link is in my signature.
Have you read Hatfill's book?
Released this past November, it's like reading the real news today (or TB2K) and
then gives you the likely news tomorrow. He explains the virus pandemic threats,
the govt plans & resources on the fed/state/local level, and how it's all insufficient.
Then what could & should be done now; Nationally, Locally, and finally personally.

IMO, if anybody could read only one book on surviving pandemics, this is the 'bible',
same as Nuclear War Survival Skills book is the bible for nuke prepping.

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
 

SageRock

Veteran Member
Interesting article by the following authors:

Bradley A. Thayer is professor of political science at the University of Texas-San Antonio and the co-author of “How China Sees the World: Han-Centrism and the Balance of Power in International Politics.”

Lianchao Han is vice president of Citizen Power Initiatives for China. After the Tiananmen Square Massacre in 1989, he was one of the founders of the Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars. He worked in the U.S. Senate for 12 years, as legislative counsel and policy director for three senators.


Also, this paragraph was particularly striking:

The economic impact on Chinese agriculture is ruinous. Because of the lockdown, main transportation routes have been blocked. Businesses cannot ship perishable produce to market in the cities, where the price for vegetables and fruits is skyrocketing, and many villages also are locked down. Moreover, farmers reportedly are not allowed to work in the fields, resulting in rotten produce and huge losses for agriculture. The spring plowing and planting season should have begun, but because of the pandemic, the work has been delayed. That will result in a major grain shortage.


Here is the link, followed by the article:

A virus is crippling China's economy — and threatening the world's


By Bradley A. Thayer and Lianchao Han, opinion contributors -- 02/12/20 09:00 am EST
The views expressed by contributors are their own and not the view of The Hill.


China’s pandemic caused by the rapid spread of the deadly novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) and the Chinese regime’s failed response to control it has had a tremendous impact on China’s economy, as well as the world’s. Although it is hard to quantify the economic impact because of a lack of data, given the scope and magnitude of the pandemic inside China and its spread outside the country’s borders, analysts reasonably can conclude that it will result in a global disaster with serious economic effects.

As of Feb. 11, reported cases have skyrocketed to 43,104 and the death toll has exceeded 1,000, surpassing the 2003 SARS epidemic when at least 8,096 people were infected and 774 died. But the real numbers involving the coronavirus likely are much larger than what is reported. Many victims were cremated immediately, before their diagnosis and treatment in China. And the Chinese government’s information control regarding the outbreak has included public opinion manipulation that has lied about the disaster from the beginning.

To contain the pandemic, the Chinese regime sealed off the epicenter of the outbreak by locking down cities. As of Feb. 10, China had locked down three provinces (Hubei, Liaoning and Jiangxi), all four centrally-administered municipalities (Beijing, Shanghai, Tianjin and Chongqing), and more than 80 other major cities. The consequence has been major disruption to several hundred million people’s daily lives and economic production.

In the locked down provinces, home to more than 140 million people, the gross domestic product (GDP) exceeds 10.6 trillion yuan ($1.5 trillion USD). There are nearly 100 million residents in the four municipalities, where the GDP typically is over 12 trillion yuan ($1.7 trillion USD). Among the top 10 economic performance cities, all except one have been in the state of lockdown. Adding other locked-down cities, the pandemic has disrupted areas that produced at least half of China’s GDP. In reality, the affected areas likely are much larger — and the impact on people much greater.

The drastic lockdown is of such a scale that it has placed many businesses in all sectors in considerable distress. It is particularly destructive for private, small- to medium-size enterprises in the service sector, or those that rely on operating cash flow. During the Chinese New Year celebration, the quarantine caused three sectors — tourism, movie theaters and restaurants — to lose at least 1 trillion yuan ($143 billion USD) in revenue. By comparison, on the day of the Chinese New Year in 2019, China’s box office revenue was 58.59 1.5 billion yuan ($215 million USD), but it was 1.8 million yuan (about $258,000 USD) this year. Similarly, last year China’s tourism revenue during the new year was 513.9 billion yuan ($73.7 billion USD), but this year almost all sightseeing sites are closed.

The economic impact on Chinese agriculture is ruinous. Because of the lockdown, main transportation routes have been blocked. Businesses cannot ship perishable produce to market in the cities, where the price for vegetables and fruits is skyrocketing, and many villages also are locked down. Moreover, farmers reportedly are not allowed to work in the fields, resulting in rotten produce and huge losses for agriculture. The spring plowing and planting season should have begun, but because of the pandemic, the work has been delayed. That will result in a major grain shortage.

China’s exports and imports already were adversely impacted by the Sino-American trade war, and the pandemic has poured salt into the wound. Export hubs such as Shanghai, Shenzhen, Beijing and Guangzhou suspended operation and stopped production for weeks. Further delay will only increase costs. Because the World Health Organization (WHO) has declared China a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC), fewer countries want to buy from China considering the potential transmission of the coronavirus. U.S. media report that data collected on weekly container vessel calls at key Chinese ports already show a reduction of over 20 percent since Jan. 20.

Unsurprisingly, China’s manufacturers have felt the pain. On Feb. 3, Caixin, a major Chinese economic media firm, reported China’s manufacturing purchasing managers index (PMI) dropped to 51.1, the lowest in five months. Because of the pandemic, most of the factories and businesses were not able to resume work as scheduled on Feb. 10 with the end of the holiday, and will postpone for a week or even until March. The delay could devastate the sector.

Many companies may have no choice but to declare bankruptcy or lay off workers. For example, the “King of Kings” nightclub in Beijing has said it intends to terminate its 200 employees because of financial hardship linked to the pandemic. This is just the beginning. We are likely to see a wave of business closures and bankruptcies resulting in 2020. Even international brands such as Burberry, Estee Lauder, and Apple are shutting stores in China.

Although the Chinese government injected 1.7 trillion yuan ($243 billion USD) to stimulate China’s financial market, it continues its spiral downward. Not only are the small businesses hit hard by the pandemic, big companies also are struggling to survive. A recent survey conducted by Tsinghua University Evergrande Institute found that among 995 companies, many are unable to resume normal production. The survey concluded that about 85 percent of the companies can survive for only three months.

This will trigger massive layoffs. The wave of unemployment potentially will reach tens of millions of people. By comparison, the economic costs for the 2003 SARS pandemic was $40 billion, but the costs for this one could be much bigger, causing political, economic, diplomatic and social reactions.

The Standing Committee of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) — the seven members who control the real power of China — recently held two meetings within 10 days, a rare occurrence, to figure out China’s strategy for resuming production while fighting the pandemic. They do not appear to have the answer, since more economic hubs have been shutting down. For the CCP, the war against this pandemic is a political one and regime security relies upon winning it.
We fully expect China to request a delay to implementing phase one of its trade deal with the United States. President Trump should not let China off the hook, however. An open market in China will help both Chinese and American private business, and reduce the monopoly of state-owned enterprises. The tally of economic costs was made much worse by the CCP’s misrule.
 

Maranatha

Redeemed
Trying to think 'outside the box' on cleaning and reusing face masks. Would placing them in a Sun Oven kill the virus so the masks could be reused?
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
Further, Trump is pushing this "done by April," meme and likely will end up impaled on it like Absolom David's kid did on the tree branch. Sorry, but Trump has clearly been given bad advice, or more probable ignored it, and people like Dr. Hatfill. Now I know there is a large number of scientists who are warning Trump off, and again he is apparently ignoring them.

Don't think it's mindless support. He's a negotiator, and he needs to help China. If Trump castigates China publicly, China can stop all shipments of meds/equipment, and possibly contribute to a change of government that could be catastrophic. Trump is keeping his enemy close.

I also can't believe he's hanging onto the April date. It's 90 degrees in Singapore, it's 60 degrees in Wuhan. Where is he getting his information from? Doesn't he talk to Steve Bannon or Tom Cotton? Another thing he got wrong - we have NOT sent anyone over there because China won't let them in. The CDC is not there working.

Pres Trump is not stupid and he does not ignore advice. I believe SOMEONE IS SETTING HIM UP TO FAIL. Someone close to him is a traitor who is trying to tank the election for the Deep State. They are deliberately underplaying the disease for him and he's trusting the wrong person. I predict that if this does not die down by then the democrats will run ad after ad of Trump saying it will be over in April.

And I also agree with bw, Trump is walking a tight rope with Xi right now. The last thing he needs to do at this critical juncture is to start a confrontation with him He needs to be as diplomatic as possible until this is sorted out. But there's a difference between saying Xi is doing everything he can and saying it'll be gone in April.

PS It could be gone in April. He might be privy to info we just don't have. And quite frankly we've been at 12-13 cases for a month now. If the numbers are to be believed, it hasn't taken off in this country.

HD
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Trump may be forgiven for thinking when the coup d'etat attempt, excuse me the impeachment vote failed, he would get a pass, but nope. the Marxist scum are moving in with another impeachment try over Roger Stone. Further, I held my nose and listened the whore media tonight, ABC and they are pushing the Barr does the Saturday Night Massacre thing and resigns, or gets fired, or those Democrat scums do their thing.

But no, I don't see how Trump can get caught in this "done by April," meme at all. He must knoww, or somebody should tell him, and then kick his tweeting ass till he gets it and shuts up. Next, well I'm not talking about sending in Delta and fragging Junior Emperor Li. However, Trump and the Whores at WHO, are just acting fawning and pandering, especially WHO, and it will bite them in the ass soon enough.

I will repeat: hasn't Trump figured out that when the virus prevents workers from working, and shops and factories from opening, much less producing and WHEN EVERY SINGLE MAJOR CHINESE PORT IS SHUT DOWN, doesn't he get that means a DECLINE in economic activity? What the F#%%5 doesn't he get that Foxcon isn't making I phones, or the list goes on and on.

Yep, I don't know why Trump is doing this, maybe he can't connect the idea his famous economy is going down hard from the China Effect.

I am learning patience, first from my Dad's estate, and now from the Iran war, and the China Plague and the list also goes on and on. However some of the stuff Trump is doing, like failing to admit that some 100 US soldiers took physical shock from the inbound missiles exploding, well I just don't get it.

Mark my words, gang: Trump is defined by his economy and the China Effect is going to impact his core.
 

rafter

Since 1999
Don't think it's mindless support. He's a negotiator, and he needs to help China. If Trump castigates China publicly, China can stop all shipments of meds/equipment, and possibly contribute to a change of government that could be catastrophic. Trump is keeping his enemy close.

But people will believe it will be gone in April...and when it's not and it's worse....then?
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
A further comment on cleaning masks for re-use. I'm seeing plenty of the plastic half-face masks with replaceable cartridges in my lumber and home depot stores. These are $30 or more for the mask, and the cartridge depends on the application. The valves in the mask means your exhaled air never touches the filter, and they should be good for days or weeks. My wife and I use them with N100 filters (got a carton of them) and leave them on for months at a time. And you can comfortably wear them for hours.

If you want a mask, they're still out there. I don't know the effective life for filtering a virus, but it's gotta be better than your breathe-on-me N95.
 

Capt. Eddie

Veteran Member
The controlled information is not aimed at you. You are six sigmas out toward the educated fringe. The controlled information is aimed at the herd, and the goal is to keep the herd from panic. Recognition of censorship should not anger you, it should please you; recognition means you eluded it.
Gotta agree with you bw. I for one am completely in favor of not stampeding the herd.
 

shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thank you for the update... Any idea how he feels about whether it's time to begin social distancing on an individual level? I notice he's still showing up in the studio on War Room with Steve Bannon...
He calls in sometimes, too.
When that's the only way he'll do interviews (no more personal appearances) that'd be a 'dot'.

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
People often forget the history of royalty, in ancient times. the so called "King," ie Emperor had it pretty good when things were okay. Back in the Day, New Years Eve Day of 1973 I was in Paris, France, back before it went Muslim like now, and took a tour of Versailes. I mean, just damn, the dude had GOLD PLATED CURTAIN CORDS, CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?

And the king lived good, and people loved him, till something went wrong, they blamed him, AND THEN THEY KILLED HIM.

So yeah, Trump's administration has been riddled with traitors from day one, and yes that might be how things are going down. On the other hand, well Trump is Trump and he may actually believe this April thing, even though he knows, or somebody around him knows that freaking Singapore, which is a modern place, with advanced medical systems, and right near the Equator and FREAKING HOT, HOT, HOT, so this April heat will kill it drivel is just that DRIVEL.

I have long feared for Trump and he seems to me to being set up for disaster, yet again. We shall see but a bad economy, or even a normal economy will prove fatal to Trump. He can't survive a stock market crash, which he knows because he is doing that mom and pop here is some money to buy stocks. Yep, the ice is thin indeed.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
London is now a hot spot for the virus. First, you have Uber lady and how many, or not, she exposed. And now you have/had 8 huge jetliners was it, that they had to do a full military level decon. I don't know how this current story feeds into all of the above. On the other hand, something is going on in Great Britain, especially London, and all those planes being decon is a HUGE DOT in my view.
 

Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
But people will believe it will be gone in April...and when it's not and it's worse....then?

The scary part is, American sheeple are naive and gullible. The might hear the president assure them that the virus will fizzle out come April, and that could give them a false sense of security, resulting in lax hygiene measures and less worry/concern over contamination.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
The other thing, the medical thing, that is really disturbing me is the increasing number of infected people with no connection to either China, or any body who went to China. It must mean, in my opinion, were are now dealing with HtoH transmission, which means airborne, aerosol vector and that is BAD. Finally, when you add in the no symptoms carriers, along with the global travel and the long infection period. I have to say a virus that "has" an infection cycle from one day, to 14 days, to 24 days, all the way up to 42 days is simply off the charts in terms of being explained exactly why all of the above is happening.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
Chest CT for Typical 2019-nCoV Pneumonia: Relationship to Negative RT-PCR Testing

Abstract
Some patients with positive chest CT findings may present with negative results of real time reverse-transcription–polymerase chain- reaction (RT-PCR) for 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). In this report, we present chest CT findings from five patients with 2019-nCoV infection who had initial negative RT-PCR results. All five patients had typical imaging findings, including ground-glass opacity (GGO) (5 patients) and/or mixed GGO and mixed consolidation (2 patients). After isolation for presumed 2019-nCoV pneumonia, all patients were eventually confirmed with 2019-nCoV infection by repeated swab tests. A combination of repeated swab tests and CT scanning may be helpful when for individuals with high clinical suspicion of nCoV infection but negative RT-PCR screening
 

wintery_storm

Veteran Member
Well the flu vaccine is made by several pharmecudecals in the us. I made it for sanofi. It,s not hard to mafe. Once you have the virus inoculated in a live chicken embroth to grow. It them goes into a warm incubator fir two days to grow . Then it,s off to candling where the bD eggs get thrown aeay. And the eggs are then taken into a cold walk in refrigerator. This kills yhe embryo.. Next day is harvedtThe tops of the eggs get cut off and the lid is sucked out by hosesfrom the ceiling. And that liquid goes into a large tank. This is the raw flu vaccine that will have to go through various steps before it gets to packaging.
It,s going to be a long road before they get a vaccine for people. Right now even the experts are uncertain . I would also like to add that our government is no different than china. They do not want panic in the streets, people selling their stocks off. They were worried that wo u ld happen back when 911 happened. They did not see that coming. I have it in good knowledge they were scared but wanted to feed the public something warm and fuzzy . To make the public think it was all othe same think with when the stock market went down in 2008. We are always being feed warm and fuzzy lines. It,s under control. That is not true. It s not always under control. Best we each be prepared and take care of our own familes.
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
April through August probably has less to do with heat and more to do with a higher intensity of UV from the Sun... at least for any virus exposed out in the wild floating around.

That's why we buy all those UV lamps... right?
 

Allotrope

Inactive

This article uses the phrases:
The economic impact on Chinese agriculture is ruinous.
This will trigger massive layoffs.
The drastic lockdown is of such a scale that it has placed many businesses in all sectors in considerable distress.
Analysts reasonably can conclude that it will result in a global disaster with serious economic effects.

But with these facts, "China’s manufacturing purchasing managers index (PMI) dropped to 51.1, the lowest in five months".
Anything over 50 is optimistic and forecasts growth. This shows that the numbers out of China only reflect trying to please superiors, not relation to truth at all. Japan and Hitler were similarly optimistic at the start of WWII and stayed so up to the end. Yes, people in the US are unrealistic and easily led but that seems the case in much of world history with typical bad endings. Being on this site shows that you are in the minority with, hopefully, a better result.
 

KFhunter

Veteran Member
This is telling. President Trump on the virus. All the 4chan insider intel has been correct. TPTB's 1st priority is to suppress info and prevent panic.

" ...
Donald Trump has launched an extraordinary defence of China’s alleged attempts to cover-up the extent of the spread of coronavirus.

The US president, who has claimed without evidence the virus will likely “go away” by April, said Beijing has handled the epidemic “very professionally”, despite accusations the country had attempted to suppress information about the crisis.

Asked by conservative commentator Geraldo Rivera if China was telling the truth about coronavirus, Mr Trump said: “Well you never know. I think they want to put the best face on it, so you know I mean if somebody, if you were running it you’d probably, you wouldn’t want to run out to the world and go crazy and start saying whatever it is because you don’t want to create a panic.”

I said that way back, post 7202 and 7203.

I still agree with panic control btw, do not stampede the herd no matter what!
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
We are now close to the first phase of mass movement being over. We had the 100 million plus Hindus doing their Ghanges River thing, and today? we get the first report of sick Indians in Deli was it. Next, we got the whole Chinese Lunar year MASS MOVEMENT SINCE DECEMBER REALLY. And as to what is really happening inside of China, whatever Trump, or the WHO says, we have no true, accurate numbers, but only times ten, or times 100 or whatever, which is BS.

Now we have infected? scattered all over the world creating pockets and clusters of infection, like in Singapore, and now Vietnam, or London, or the two in Africa. How they will play out I have no idea.
On top of all that we have the highly public near total collapse of the hospitality industry in general and the cruise ship industry in particular. Again, more economic damage for Trump to chew on as he is set up for the playing the chump.

The big kill zone date for me here in CONUS is not the scattered enclaves of people who just came back from China, like in California, except for the people who showed no symptoms yet. The big deal now is whether, or if anybody here in CONUS got infected, or infected other people on Valentine's Day when people went to crowded restaurants etc.

I still don't think I can get a real final handle on this before the end of march due to the various waves of people sloshing back and forth all over the planet. I would find it ironic if it took till May 1st, ie the commie barbarian holiday to confirm whether we got a full blown global pandemic.

Gee, NCIS NEW ORLEANS starts in 6 minutes so I am out of here. Try not to infect the entire world while I am gone.:dot4:
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment

Virus cases surge after China revises way count is tallied
BY YANAN WANG ASSOCIATED PRESS
FEBRUARY 13, 2020 03:40 PM

BEIJING
China reported a surge in deaths and infections from a new virus Thursday after changing the way the count is tallied, further clouding an epidemic that has stirred fear as it spread to more than two dozen countries.

The spike came after two days in which the number of new cases dropped and brought little clarity for those desperate to understand the trajectory of the outbreak.

“What we need is some consistency over time to give us an idea of what’s actually happening,” said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease expert at Vanderbilt University in the United States. “Is transmission happening or is it not?”

The answer has proved frustratingly elusive despite the official reports.

The death toll in China from the disease known as COVID-19 reached 1,367, up 254 from a day earlier, and the number of confirmed cases jumped to 59,804, up 15,152.

Dr. Michael Ryan, the World Health Organization’s emergencies chief, said the dramatic increase was due to a revised way of counting cases and cautioned it did not represent a sudden surge in new infections.

“This increase you’ve all seen in the last 24 hours is largely down to how cases are being diagnosed and reported,” he said, noting that the jump in infections refers to patients that go back days and weeks, including to the beginning of the outbreak.

China’s National Health Commission said officials in Hubei province, whose stricken capital of Wuhan is the virus’ epicenter, began tallying cases using a lower bar of “clinical diagnosis.” That appears to count cases based on doctors’ analyses and lung imaging rather than relying solely on laboratory test results. More than 13,000 of the newly-reported infections were a result of the new way of counting.

A spokesman for China’s health commission, Mi Feng, said the change was aimed at identifying suspected cases in which the patient has pneumonia so they can be treated quicker and reduce the likelihood of more serious illness or death. It was also seen as a reflection of a chaotic crush of people seeking treatment and the struggle to keep up with a backlog of untested samples.
“Clearly in Wuhan, the health system is under extreme pressure and so the first priority has to be the patient,” said Mark Woolhouse, a professor of infectious disease epidemiology at the University of Edinburgh.

In further clues to the desperate attempt to contain the virus and public criticism of the government’s efforts, China replaced two more high-level officials — the ruling Communist Party chief in Hubei and the party secretary in Wuhan. Those followed the sacking earlier in the week of two leaders of the provincial health commission and reports from state media of a slew of others expelled from the party for missteps related to the epidemic.

The public has widely criticized local officials for failing to respond quickly and decisively to the new virus. Authorities initially assured people that there was little to no risk of human-to-human transmission, a statement that was later retracted. Wuhan residents said hospitals were overcrowded and lacked sufficient medical supplies. Doctors who tried to share information early on were reprimanded by police for “spreading rumors.”

“This is a society struggling with openness,” said Schaffner. “For people like that who continue to be in positions of authority, to change their thinking must be difficult. So you have to be a bit skeptical when you see these changes in case definition.”

Paul Hunter, a professor of health protection at the University of East Anglia in England, expressed similar frustration with the revised numbers, but said he believed it didn’t represent a change in trajectory for the outbreak.

“I suspect but can’t be certain that the underlying trend is still downwards,” he said. “It almost certainly does not mean that there has been a resurgence of the epidemic overnight.”

Still, in an unprecedented attempt to contain the disease, the Chinese government has placed the hardest-hit cities — home to more than 60 million — under lockdown. One district in Shiyan, a city in Hubei, has implemented “wartime measures," barring residents from even leaving their apartment compounds for two weeks.

A local government notice advised residents that basic necessities would be distributed and help would be provided to obtain medicine.

In Shiyan’s Zhangwan district, Xu Min said the entrance to her neighborhood was being guarded by community workers and security staff.

“It doesn’t have too much of an impact on our life, except that we’re not allowed to go out,” she said.

China is home to more than 99% of the world’s reported COVID-19 infections, but the crisis has led other nations to implement travel restrictions and caused impacts to be felt far afield.
In Japan, a first death — a woman in her 80s — was reported, the third fatality outside of mainland China, following deaths in the Philippines and Hong Kong. And the health ministry announced 44 more people on a cruise ship quarantined in the port of Yokohama, near Tokyo, tested positive for the virus, bringing the total to 218.

In Cambodia, another cruise ship, the Westerdam, finally docked after being turned away by several Asian and Pacific governments. No cases of the viral illness have been confirmed aboard, according to the ship’s operator.

And in Vietnam, official media reported that a village of 10,000 northwest of the capital, Hanoi, was put in lockdown due to a cluster of cases there.

Experts expressed hope that Friday could bring greater understanding of whether COVID-19 was growing or waning. Provided China continues to tally with the new method, it would give a chance for an apples-to-apples, day-to-day comparison.

“The real question is whether or not the trend, using the same criteria, is up or down,” said Dr. Ian Lipkin, director of the Center for Infection and Immunity at Columbia University in New York.

Lipkin traveled to China to help researchers and public health officials in assessing the risk of COVID-19, and was marking his ninth day of home quarantine Thursday. He has tested negative for the virus and shown no symptoms, but looks with anticipation to the end of his confinement on Tuesday.

He plans to mark it, in public, with a dry martini.
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goosebeans

Veteran Member
Oh my, I don't know if this has been posted or not. I'm not fully caught up on the thread. The elderly gentleman on the cruise ship in Japan has put up this video. He's been very up beat so far, but things are getting so bad. He and his wife are about at the end of their rope. He's pleading for Richard Branson to send a plane to rescue the Brits on board the ship. Doesn't trust Boris Johnson to help. He also talks about his friend who is in the hospital. The friend is testing Pos/Neg/Pos/Neg. The tests seem to be flawed. It's a mess! He thinks Japan is starting to censor all news.

I feel so bad for them, but you know, it's a study in how regular people react. "we want to go home!" I mean it's normal but people just can't get their heads around the fact that this really is TSHTF! They're at the point of "to heck with who I might pass this to, I just want to go home. And sadly, he sounds like he may be coming down with "something" :(

I haven't finished watching the whole video yet. It's just so heartbreaking.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI-iFiV1jns
 

Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
The other thing, the medical thing, that is really disturbing me is the increasing number of infected people with no connection to either China, or any body who went to China. It must mean, in my opinion, were are now dealing with HtoH transmission, which means airborne, aerosol vector and that is BAD. Finally, when you add in the no symptoms carriers, along with the global travel and the long infection period. I have to say a virus that "has" an infection cycle from one day, to 14 days, to 24 days, all the way up to 42 days is simply off the charts in terms of being explained exactly why all of the above is happening.

I think most experts have come to the conclusion at this point that it’s H2H with airborne/aerosol transmission.
 

Cuffo

Contributing Member
I listened to the Geraldo Trump interview and from my hearing Trump was qualifying most his statements about the virus. What really struck me was he said “but we will see” a number of times. My take, for what it’s worth is that April is the make or break time and they are hoping to pull a rabbit out of the hat by then.
 
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