bw
Fringe Ranger
Mine too. Didn't actually have to read much. A few years ago I worked on some *nix boxes that used yellow type on a light blue background. Amazingly bad choice of colors.
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Mine too. Didn't actually have to read much. A few years ago I worked on some *nix boxes that used yellow type on a light blue background. Amazingly bad choice of colors.
CaryC
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Agreed!
I'm holding to the speculation that China had the virus to invent a vaccine for it. In other words trying to get ahead of it, even by stealing it from Canada, so they wouldn't have another SARS type outbreak. Then the thing got loose, by poor handling in the meat market.
Like I said it's my speculation, but am willing when factual evidence is brought forth to change my mind. Which may never happen.
Seeker22
Has No Life - Lives on TB
My Post #14,338 will debunk the phone pile.
Trivium Pursuit
Has No Life - Lives on TB
The fact that colloidal silver can get directly into blood stream, which was one of the first sentences in this article, is a very good thing. It has been determined that the Ace 2 receptors do exist in the endothelial cells lining blood vessels.
bcingu
Senior Member
News article from CNA with numbers and tree graph showing relationship between patients.
Sunday Feb. 16, 2020.
CNA article
Sunday Feb. 16, 2020.
CNA article
Shooter
Veteran Member
I had a closed empty mask box, didnt want to risk someone trying to steal it. but no one asked about it, it suprised me, BUT your comment made me think of this,
Jim: You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.
Jackpine Savage
Veteran Member
Gives new meaning to "the rabbit died".
Melodi
Disaster Cat
OK, I have now read the posted version of the UFO article and I am not surprised it is from a fiction site, there are elements in it that may turn out have some "truth" to them (I've always suspected the "hospitals" were dying rooms, they did that during SARS as well and I've heard interviews with a few people who managed to survive anyway).
But most of the article reads like a movie script or horror novel/TEOTWAWKI novel outline and I just don't buy that this isn't an actual disease, I think it is.
It is highly likely a disease bioengineered that either escaped or was let-loose from that Bio 4 Weapons lab (probably escaped) but I think it is a real virus, not some sort of weird side-effects of a brain "calming" agent.
That (I think) would really have been limited to Wuhan and instead, it is quickly spreading around the world, so I agree this is probably fiction mixed with some educated guesses that may later turn out to be fact.
And educated guesses sometimes work - I mean for years on this forum I've been saying what sort of disease I would use if I wanted to write the TEOTWAWKI novel using a pandemic as the foundation for it - and Corona-Chan fits nearly every detail I included in those old (sometimes nearly 20-year-old posts).
It takes at least a week or two for symptoms to appear, people can transfer the disease before they present with symptoms, it starts out as the regular flu or cold (so people don't go directly to the doctor or stay home from work and school) and by the time the "bad guys" are dead (or have fled the scene), hundreds if not thousands are already infected.
I based all that on a combination of previous epidemics in history and what I knew of what governments look for when designing bio-weapons (or antidotes to bio-weapons).
But that doesn't mean my guessing was a prediction or even if I'd ever written the book that it was a prediction; it was simply looking at the most likely possible way "bad guys" might do something like that and what they would do it with.
The rest is just imagination, which any good fiction writer (and even non-fiction writers) need to have to make a story entertaining as well as informational.
But most of the article reads like a movie script or horror novel/TEOTWAWKI novel outline and I just don't buy that this isn't an actual disease, I think it is.
It is highly likely a disease bioengineered that either escaped or was let-loose from that Bio 4 Weapons lab (probably escaped) but I think it is a real virus, not some sort of weird side-effects of a brain "calming" agent.
That (I think) would really have been limited to Wuhan and instead, it is quickly spreading around the world, so I agree this is probably fiction mixed with some educated guesses that may later turn out to be fact.
And educated guesses sometimes work - I mean for years on this forum I've been saying what sort of disease I would use if I wanted to write the TEOTWAWKI novel using a pandemic as the foundation for it - and Corona-Chan fits nearly every detail I included in those old (sometimes nearly 20-year-old posts).
It takes at least a week or two for symptoms to appear, people can transfer the disease before they present with symptoms, it starts out as the regular flu or cold (so people don't go directly to the doctor or stay home from work and school) and by the time the "bad guys" are dead (or have fled the scene), hundreds if not thousands are already infected.
I based all that on a combination of previous epidemics in history and what I knew of what governments look for when designing bio-weapons (or antidotes to bio-weapons).
But that doesn't mean my guessing was a prediction or even if I'd ever written the book that it was a prediction; it was simply looking at the most likely possible way "bad guys" might do something like that and what they would do it with.
The rest is just imagination, which any good fiction writer (and even non-fiction writers) need to have to make a story entertaining as well as informational.
As contagious as this...does anyone else find it odd that there has been no real news about all the people who have been evacuated and placed in quarantine after returning to the US? Shouldn't we have seen at least a percentage of them test positive? How many people have been placed in quarantine? If they are past their 14 days and released, shouldn't we have seen them happily waving as they left the facility?
Zahra
Veteran Member
Sheer stupidity is alive & well everywhere. Perhaps we need to seal our border with Canada too? There are about 400 Canadians under quarantine at Canadian Forces Base Trenton in southern Ontario plus more inbound off the Diamond Princess.
Check this out though - Red Cross workers come into the "quarantine facility", interact with the folks freely without wearing gloves, proper masks, or eye protection, and then get to leave to go back home & run around town all they want. This is insane! Check the video and see the photos of it:
View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5xkBbxAvrQ
Check this out though - Red Cross workers come into the "quarantine facility", interact with the folks freely without wearing gloves, proper masks, or eye protection, and then get to leave to go back home & run around town all they want. This is insane! Check the video and see the photos of it:
Greybeard7
Veteran Member
Someone had mentioned the St. Patrick's day parade in NYC and the potential for spreading disease.
It just occurred to me that spring break for colleges is coming up in March. The number of Chinese students in this country has been discussed, along with how many have returned from China before starting spring classes.
The fact that the Arizona case was a student at Arizona State University that had returned from China worried me at the time because I wondered how many classes they might have attended, bookstores, parties, restaurants, etc.
Now you can close schools, churches, cancel public events and discourage public gatherings. But how can you stop hundreds of thousands of college students from going on spring break? They will travel, congregate in popular destinations, and gather in huge crowds for spring break activities. Those destinations are going to be one huge petri dish for transmission. Even the seasonal flu might get a huge kick start from this activity.
A quick search gave me this site listing spring break dates by university or college:
That's a LOT of colleges. It looks like it will start on February 29th for the first big group of colleges, and the last big group will start on March 21st.
Twelve days until we find out how big the college spring break exodus to party destinations will be.
We certainly do live in interesting times.
It just occurred to me that spring break for colleges is coming up in March. The number of Chinese students in this country has been discussed, along with how many have returned from China before starting spring classes.
The fact that the Arizona case was a student at Arizona State University that had returned from China worried me at the time because I wondered how many classes they might have attended, bookstores, parties, restaurants, etc.
Now you can close schools, churches, cancel public events and discourage public gatherings. But how can you stop hundreds of thousands of college students from going on spring break? They will travel, congregate in popular destinations, and gather in huge crowds for spring break activities. Those destinations are going to be one huge petri dish for transmission. Even the seasonal flu might get a huge kick start from this activity.
A quick search gave me this site listing spring break dates by university or college:
Spring Break 2024 | When is Spring Break 2024
Need to plan your 2024 college spring break trip? Click here for a list of spring break 2024 dates for most colleges and universities in the US.
www.inertiatours.com
That's a LOT of colleges. It looks like it will start on February 29th for the first big group of colleges, and the last big group will start on March 21st.
Twelve days until we find out how big the college spring break exodus to party destinations will be.
We certainly do live in interesting times.
bw
Fringe Ranger
If there were NO infections, it would have been trumpeted from the rooftops. If there WERE infections, it would be a national security issue and you're going to hear anything.
Coronavirus news is going to be a lot like descriptions of perps that don't mention the race.
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Trivium Pursuit
Has No Life - Lives on TB
WHOA. Had completely forgotten about that. I, too, went South on spring break back in the day One of America's biggest mass migrations, this will probly dwarf Mardi Gras. Be the watch for quarantines and cases developing in Florida. And, to s lesser extent, South Texas...Someone had mentioned the St. Patrick's day parade in NYC and the potential for spreading disease.
It just occurred to me that spring break for colleges is coming up in March. The number of Chinese students in this country has been discussed, along with how many have returned from China before starting spring classes.
The fact that the Arizona case was a student at Arizona State University that had returned from China worried me at the time because I wondered how many classes they might have attended, bookstores, parties, restaurants, etc.
Now you can close schools, churches, cancel public events and discourage public gatherings. But how can you stop hundreds of thousands of college students from going on spring break? They will travel, congregate in popular destinations, and gather in huge crowds for spring break activities. Those destinations are going to be one huge petri dish for transmission. Even the seasonal flu might get a huge kick start from this activity.
A quick search gave me this site listing spring break dates by university or college:
Spring Break 2024 | When is Spring Break 2024
Need to plan your 2024 college spring break trip? Click here for a list of spring break 2024 dates for most colleges and universities in the US.www.inertiatours.com
That's a LOT of colleges. It looks like it will start on February 29th for the first big group of colleges, and the last big group will start on March 21st.
Twelve days until we find out how big the college spring break exodus to party destinations will be.
We certainly do live in interesting times.
Trivium Pursuit
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Please tell me these are Canadian Red Cross workers.
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
You know I ignored my "gut feeling message" that people would not be put into body bags WITH their cell phones but I rationalized that maybe they hid them on their person somewhere..? But if you are that sick, your cell phone has probably already been separated from you during the intensive care.
BUT, MAYBE that EASILY DISCOVERED HOAX PHOTO could have been a deliberate effort to DEBUNK THE FEAR OF BUYING CHINESE GOODS? ie. That photo of dead victims phones at a crematorium was FAKE therefore anyone selling used phones from China are probably not from dead COVD 19 victims.
But most all victims DID have cell phones and whoever in the hospital or elsewhere that ends up with them still could resell them to Americans or others.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
If we go back to the 1950s, three are ways to stop "Spring Break" and everything else but they are draconian methods used during actual quarantines and involve things like the government (local/state/Federal) asking/ordering Universities to keep the dorms open during break and ordering students to stay on campus.
If things are really bad, they may even quarantine towns, including University towns - aka go home (or away) on break and you don't get back in, even if you live off-campus.
When things are that bad (my Mom told me about the Summers just before and just after I was born), everything tends to be shut down anyway - only a few designated shops are open, but all theaters, eating places, swimming pools, libraries, and most public buildings would be shut down for several weeks until the danger was believed to have past.
The difference between then and now though is that people back then were familiar with epidemic diseases and the personal horrors they could bring, nearly everyone had a family member or loved one who had been lost in 1918, and people saw first hand the devastation, death, and disability caused by Polio so they were willing to comply with the quarantine measures.
These days, there have been nearly 60 years in the United States of "disease" being viewed as "a lifestyle choice" or a "failure to take care of yourself" (aka secular Calvinism - do the right things and you won't be punished by being sick.)
Not only is that not true (or not totally true, there are elements of truth in it), Westerners (especially in the USA) have totally forgotten that not all diseases are "lifestyle" diseases, it is simply that most of the old killers were wiped out so these days most people contract or die from things like heart disease or type two diabetes than die from cholera, typhoid, malaria, smallpox, polio or even the seasonal flu.
The Seasonal Flu is the only one of those most people are really aware of these days and most people still survive it, unless they are very young, very old or have underlying health issues.
I think a lot of people in the West, again especially in the US, are going to be in for a varied great shock if this pandemic hits as hard as it has in China - I hope it doesn't happen, but it could.
If things are really bad, they may even quarantine towns, including University towns - aka go home (or away) on break and you don't get back in, even if you live off-campus.
When things are that bad (my Mom told me about the Summers just before and just after I was born), everything tends to be shut down anyway - only a few designated shops are open, but all theaters, eating places, swimming pools, libraries, and most public buildings would be shut down for several weeks until the danger was believed to have past.
The difference between then and now though is that people back then were familiar with epidemic diseases and the personal horrors they could bring, nearly everyone had a family member or loved one who had been lost in 1918, and people saw first hand the devastation, death, and disability caused by Polio so they were willing to comply with the quarantine measures.
These days, there have been nearly 60 years in the United States of "disease" being viewed as "a lifestyle choice" or a "failure to take care of yourself" (aka secular Calvinism - do the right things and you won't be punished by being sick.)
Not only is that not true (or not totally true, there are elements of truth in it), Westerners (especially in the USA) have totally forgotten that not all diseases are "lifestyle" diseases, it is simply that most of the old killers were wiped out so these days most people contract or die from things like heart disease or type two diabetes than die from cholera, typhoid, malaria, smallpox, polio or even the seasonal flu.
The Seasonal Flu is the only one of those most people are really aware of these days and most people still survive it, unless they are very young, very old or have underlying health issues.
I think a lot of people in the West, again especially in the US, are going to be in for a varied great shock if this pandemic hits as hard as it has in China - I hope it doesn't happen, but it could.
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"Diagnosed" doesn't = contracted. They could have caught it more recently, or lied about contacts, or tested negative earlier, or have had it for weeks before being tested. This makes I think three known (out of thousands to millions) very diverse long periods. To be noted, but certainly no kind of pattern yet.
Ordinary Girl
Veteran Member
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Several drugs against COVID-19 already in clinical trials: official
Source:Xinhua Published: 2020/2/16 13:45:08
Several antiviral drugs have been applied in clinical trials against the novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19), and some have shown fairly good clinical efficacy, according to an official Saturday.
Chinese researchers have narrowed down their focus to a few existing drugs, including Chloroquine Phosphate, Favipiravir and Remdesivir, after multiple rounds of screening, said Zhang Xinmin, director of the China National Center for Biotechnology Development under the Ministry of Science and Technology, at a press conference on the new virus.
In vitro experiments have shown that Chloroquine Phosphate, an antimalarial drug which has been widely used for many years, can effectively inhibit the novel coronavirus infection.
It is now under clinical trials in more than 10 hospitals in Beijing and Guangdong, which enrolled a total of over 100 patients. Clinical trials on the drug will also be launched in central China's Hunan Province soon, Zhang said.
The preliminary clinical results show that Chloroquine Phosphate is quite effective in treating novel coronavirus pneumonia, he said.
Favipiravir, an influenza drug available on overseas markets, has been put in a clinical trial in Shenzhen, south China's Guangdong Province, with 70 patients enlisted, he said.
The initial outcome of the trial shows the drug has relatively obvious efficacy and low adverse reactions.
"Three to four days after treatment, the group that takes the drug has a significantly higher turning-negative rate in the viral nucleic acid than the parallel group," he said.
Remdesivir is developed against Ebola infections by Gilead Sciences, an American pharmaceutical company. It has shown fairly good antiviral activity against the novel coronavirus at the cellular level.
The China-Japan Friendship Hospital and the Institute of Materia Medica under the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences have been authorized to conduct a clinical trial on the drug in over 10 hospitals in Wuhan, the center of the epidemic in central China's Hubei Province.
"Next, we will make timely recommendations on the COVID-19 treatment according to the results of these clinical trials," Zhang said.
According to him, the researchers scanned more than 70,000 drugs or compounds through computer simulations and in vitro enzyme activity tests, and selected 5,000 potentially effective drug candidates.
Then they were tested at the cellular level against the common coronavirus infection, and about 100 drugs were chosen for further experiments, which helped to select the final drugs for clinical trials, Zhang said.
The most urgent scientific research task is to improve the cure rate and reduce the mortality, which rely on effective clinical treatments, he noted.
New products and technologies have been adopted to treat severe and critically ill patients, a key approach to reduce mortality, and some have achieved good clinical effects, he said.
One of the recent progresses is the development of convalescent plasma. It is processed from the plasma collected from recovered patients, which contains a large amount of protective antibodies.
So far, a total of 11 severe patients from several hospitals in Wuhan have received the convalescent plasma therapy, with all their clinical indicators getting better and no obvious adverse reactions.
Clinical studies on the stem cell therapy, which can inhibit the overreaction of the body's immune system, have also been carried out to treat severe patients, he added.
A cause of death for severe and critically ill patients infected with the COVID-19 is "cytokine storm", which is an overreaction of the immune system, according to Zhou Qi, an academician with the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS).
"We are also searching for existing drugs that can curb the appearance of cytokine storm, including drugs against rheumatism. Some of the drugs that are proven effective at the cellular level have been applied in clinical trials," Zhou said at the press conference.
A trial has been conducted on 14 severe or critically ill patients aged up to 82 in an affiliated hospital of the University of the CAS, and the results appeared encouraging, Zhou said.
"Now, a multicenter, randomized, parallel-group clinical trial is underway. If the initial results show a drug is effective, we may speed up the process and provide severe patients with effective treatments as soon as possible," he added.
Im not sure if anyone here can answer this but I will ask anyway. I have lupus and take hydroChloroquine.. Is this the same or similar? Would this give me any protection?
Thanks.
Capt. Eddie
Veteran Member
My thought... If he last had contact with someone from Wuhan 94 days ago, he probably don't catch it from someone from Wuhan. YMMV
DuckandCover
Proud Sheeple
There have been cases reported from the quarantined groups. The cases have also been reported in the media. Here is one:
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First case of coronavirus identified in Texas; group returning from China quarantined in San Antonio
The patient is among a group of people who returned from Hubei Province, China, and are under federal quarantine at a military base in San Antonio.
www.texastribune.org
First case of coronavirus identified in Texas; group returning from China quarantined in San Antonio
<<read at link above>>
Jubilee on Earth
Veteran Member
I just read that there are 600 people under quarantine here in the US (evacuees from China). Are they testing any of them? The lack of transparency is ridiculous with this.
Are you suggesting that if they have nothing to report that they report that they have nothing to report?
cyberiot
Rimtas žmogus
You and Summerthyme are absolutely right. Oops, never mind, sorry!
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Tarryn
Senior Member
Heathrow hotel closed and guests removed after health officials designate it a coronavirus quarantine centre
Coronavirus: Heathrow hotel closed to public and guests removed after health officials designate it as quarantine centre for infected
Exclusive: Guests transferred after hotel closes to the public on Saturday after a block booking by health officials
The Holiday Inn Heathrow Ariel hotel, on Bath Road, closed on Saturday with staff told it would not re-open for bookings until March at the earliest.
Sources told The Independent the hotel has been block booked as a potential quarantine zone for international visitors to the UK who develop coronavirus or for Britons evacuated to the UK from overseas.
Guests booked at the three star hotel, which is operated under franchise from the InterContinental Hotels Group, have been transferred to sister hotels.
The hotel’s general manager, who did not give his name, confirmed the hotel had been closed but he emphasised there had not been any cases of coronavirus at the hotel.
An NHS accommodation block at Arrowe Park Hospital on the Wirral and a hotel and conference centre at Kents Hill Park in Milton Keynes have already been used to quarantine people evacuated from Wuhan.
It comes as the UK is to decide whether to evacuate 74 Britons quarantined on the cruise liner, the Diamond Princess, moored in Japan, where 454 people have now tested positive for the Covid-19
A spokesman for Prime Minister said the government was in contact with the British passengers to “gauge interest in a possible repatriation fight”.
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A Number 10 spokesman said: “We sympathise with all those caught up in this extremely difficult situation.
The Foreign Office is in contact with all British people on the Diamond Princess, including to establish interest in a possible repatriation flight.
“We are urgently considering all options to guarantee the health and safety of those on board.”
The USA has sent two planes to evacuate its citizens from the Diamond Princess with one landing at an air force base in California this morning.
The State Department said 14 of the evacuees had the virus but were allowed to board the flight because they did not have symptoms.
They were being isolated separately from other passengers on the flight, the US State and Health and Human Services said in a joint statement.
Nine people have tested positive for the virus in the UK, with only one remaining in hospital.
Coronavirus: Heathrow hotel closed to public and guests removed after health officials designate it as quarantine centre for infected
Exclusive: Guests transferred after hotel closes to the public on Saturday after a block booking by health officials
- Shaun LinternHealth Correspondent @ShaunLintern
- 3 hours ago
The Holiday Inn Heathrow Ariel hotel, on Bath Road, closed on Saturday with staff told it would not re-open for bookings until March at the earliest.
Sources told The Independent the hotel has been block booked as a potential quarantine zone for international visitors to the UK who develop coronavirus or for Britons evacuated to the UK from overseas.
Guests booked at the three star hotel, which is operated under franchise from the InterContinental Hotels Group, have been transferred to sister hotels.
The hotel’s general manager, who did not give his name, confirmed the hotel had been closed but he emphasised there had not been any cases of coronavirus at the hotel.
An NHS accommodation block at Arrowe Park Hospital on the Wirral and a hotel and conference centre at Kents Hill Park in Milton Keynes have already been used to quarantine people evacuated from Wuhan.
It comes as the UK is to decide whether to evacuate 74 Britons quarantined on the cruise liner, the Diamond Princess, moored in Japan, where 454 people have now tested positive for the Covid-19
A spokesman for Prime Minister said the government was in contact with the British passengers to “gauge interest in a possible repatriation fight”.
Watch more
A Number 10 spokesman said: “We sympathise with all those caught up in this extremely difficult situation.
The Foreign Office is in contact with all British people on the Diamond Princess, including to establish interest in a possible repatriation flight.
“We are urgently considering all options to guarantee the health and safety of those on board.”
The USA has sent two planes to evacuate its citizens from the Diamond Princess with one landing at an air force base in California this morning.
The State Department said 14 of the evacuees had the virus but were allowed to board the flight because they did not have symptoms.
They were being isolated separately from other passengers on the flight, the US State and Health and Human Services said in a joint statement.
Nine people have tested positive for the virus in the UK, with only one remaining in hospital.
bw
Fringe Ranger
Twitter, Google, Facebook and more have announced they are working with WHO to make sure no misinformation is passed around. Do the math. You are going to get nothing but good news. A few infections will be acknowledged, along with proofs of the competence of the government response.
Nothing to worry about, nothing to see, keep moving please.
Blacknarwhal
Let's Go Brandon!
Uh oh...trouble in paradise. The Party may be looking for a scapegoat and President Xi may qualify....
www.zerohedge.com
President Xi Insists He Gave Orders To Contain Coronavirus Outbreak Weeks Before It Went Global
by Tyler Durden
Sun, 02/16/2020 - 15:42
As the WHO expresses skepticism about China's response to the virus following earlier praise, President Xi is apparently trying to rewrite history and make it look like the Politburo Standing Committee was more on top of things than they really were.
Like George Orwell once wrote: "Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past..."
According to leaks to China's state-controlled press over the weekend, President Xi Jinping issued orders to contain the deadly coronavirus outbreak almost two weeks earlier than the public had previously known, according to leaked details from a "secret speech" Xi gave to national leaders commanding them to suppress the virus by any means necessary.
Earlier reports, which we picked up yesterday, have since been confirmed by a report in Communist party magazine Qiushi, showing that this wasn't some kind of mistake but a deliberate decision by the party's media strategists.
According to the reports, Xi met with the Politburo Standing Committee and gave instructions about how to repress the virus on Jan. 7, 13 days before China revealed that it had confirmed human-to-human transmission, and warned the public about the dangers of the outbreak.
Prior reports put the beginning of Xi's direct involvement on Jan 20, and had previously left local authorities to supervise the response. The FT notes that the new timeline "potentially implicates" Xi - a point we made yesterday. But clearly, the Chinese government is trying to make a different point, probably because its leaders are still optimistic that China will prevail in the "People's War" against the disease.
But why? What could Xi possible stand to gain from this? Well, one analyst has a few thoughts, which he shared with the FT.
Once a vaccine has been confirmed, we suspect China's state media will try to make it look like President Xi played an active role in its development - and is thus directly responsible for the salvation of the Chinese people.
Zerohedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com
President Xi Insists He Gave Orders To Contain Coronavirus Outbreak Weeks Before It Went Global
by Tyler Durden
Sun, 02/16/2020 - 15:42
As the WHO expresses skepticism about China's response to the virus following earlier praise, President Xi is apparently trying to rewrite history and make it look like the Politburo Standing Committee was more on top of things than they really were.
Like George Orwell once wrote: "Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past..."
According to leaks to China's state-controlled press over the weekend, President Xi Jinping issued orders to contain the deadly coronavirus outbreak almost two weeks earlier than the public had previously known, according to leaked details from a "secret speech" Xi gave to national leaders commanding them to suppress the virus by any means necessary.
Earlier reports, which we picked up yesterday, have since been confirmed by a report in Communist party magazine Qiushi, showing that this wasn't some kind of mistake but a deliberate decision by the party's media strategists.
According to the reports, Xi met with the Politburo Standing Committee and gave instructions about how to repress the virus on Jan. 7, 13 days before China revealed that it had confirmed human-to-human transmission, and warned the public about the dangers of the outbreak.
Prior reports put the beginning of Xi's direct involvement on Jan 20, and had previously left local authorities to supervise the response. The FT notes that the new timeline "potentially implicates" Xi - a point we made yesterday. But clearly, the Chinese government is trying to make a different point, probably because its leaders are still optimistic that China will prevail in the "People's War" against the disease.
But why? What could Xi possible stand to gain from this? Well, one analyst has a few thoughts, which he shared with the FT.
So there you have it: As the WHO turns more skeptical of China and its response to the outbreak, President Xi is trying to reassure the organization that he has been involved with the 'good' - areas where Beijing succeeded - and not the 'bad' - areas where Beijing failed (like not warning the public to take certain precautions because they hadn't yet revealed that the virus can be transmitted from human to human).
Once a vaccine has been confirmed, we suspect China's state media will try to make it look like President Xi played an active role in its development - and is thus directly responsible for the salvation of the Chinese people.
coalcracker
Veteran Member
The coronavirus and our response to it may be more like an extended chess game than a quick game of checkers.
In my youth, I played some competitive chess. Back in 1978 I lost to an oriental kid who went on to win the Pennsylvania State chess title. I didn't have much of a chance, but I did force the game to 55 moves, much to his frustration.
In chess, we must face primary threats and secondary consequences. The hardest opponent to beat is one who plays a strong positional game.
We must try not to become impatient.
We don't know how the moves are going to play out, but we can post a knight out in the center of the board. We can move a rook to the open file. These are moves that are of little immediate consequence, but could prove pivotal later.
In other words, continue to prep. Allow your nesting instinct (female) or your protective instinct (male) to influence your decisions. Stay strong POSITIONALLY. It is early in this game, and we still have moves to make.
In the end, the oriental kid may once again beat me, but that's ok. It damn well won't be by the infamous "fool's mate" (checkmate in 3 moves). I also won't ever lay the king over on its side and resign. You want my king? Molon Labe.
Game on.
In my youth, I played some competitive chess. Back in 1978 I lost to an oriental kid who went on to win the Pennsylvania State chess title. I didn't have much of a chance, but I did force the game to 55 moves, much to his frustration.
In chess, we must face primary threats and secondary consequences. The hardest opponent to beat is one who plays a strong positional game.
We must try not to become impatient.
We don't know how the moves are going to play out, but we can post a knight out in the center of the board. We can move a rook to the open file. These are moves that are of little immediate consequence, but could prove pivotal later.
In other words, continue to prep. Allow your nesting instinct (female) or your protective instinct (male) to influence your decisions. Stay strong POSITIONALLY. It is early in this game, and we still have moves to make.
In the end, the oriental kid may once again beat me, but that's ok. It damn well won't be by the infamous "fool's mate" (checkmate in 3 moves). I also won't ever lay the king over on its side and resign. You want my king? Molon Labe.
Game on.
SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I was wondering the same thing. I also take it/daily.
Well, yes! They could be reporting, "there are xxx number of people in quarantine. As of this morning, xxx have been tested for COVID19. Test results so far have all come back negative. We will be retesting in 1 week, and will announce the results as soon as we have them."
You know... basic, useful info. No one's privacy is compromised, no feelings hurt. If some test positive, the information should include sex, age and recent itinerary. Of course, it woukd be n uce if they also mentioned ethnicity, but that will never fly in this stupidly PC world...
Summerthyme
Personally, I don't think it was an accidental release by the Chinese. Or intentional by them either.
But I do think that it is likely an altered virus--at least with the limited information we have.
Yes, it is essentially the same medication. Whether it is protective would be what the research studies should show.
Stock up if possible. If proven effective it will be very difficult to get.
Southside
Has No Life - Lives on TB
OK, I usually don't say something is BS, but THIS IS IT. We have seen MANY things on this thread. Body bags, people falling over dead, etc. All the videos, and only one guy I saw bleeding out. ONE! If people were liquifying, I gotta think we would be seeing at least SOME of that.
Do I believe there are a hundred thousand dead? Yep, probably. All liquefied in minutes? don't think so.
Southside
Seeker22
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I hadn't thought of it that way, but it does make sense. Money (filthy lucre) over all. Wonder where they got that idea from? Any Chinese product will not cross my threshold until this thing is good and gone. I know I am in the minority, but if I can't grow it or make it, I don't need it. I was raised on Depression stories so now is my time to use that wisdom to hopefully survive. One of my ways is not to invite the plague in. It will have to seek me out and I am rather hard to find these days.
If you would like to debunk things for yourself, I used Yandex (Russian search) because Bing, and Google, and Yahoo are not cutting it. Laughably bad.
If you are running Firefox, Yandex image search is an addon. Once you have it loaded, it will show up in the list of things on a right click. If not, bring up Yandex
Yandex.Images: search for images on the internet, search by image
Right click the image and click Copy Image Location.
Paste that into the Yandex image search bar. Your matching image should be the big one at the top. If you don't get a match, scroll through some of the other images, you may get close.
If your Cyrillic sucks as bad as mine, you will need a translator.
Russian-English online translator and dictionary – Yandex.Translate
Copy and paste Cyrillic (Russian) language text into the Russian box and it will pop up as English in the English box. There ya go. Hope this helps.
EDITED TO ADD: I opened a Word file (I use Open Office Writer) and translated articles off the Yandex Web portion of the site (not Images) and copy-pasted those paragraphs into the Word page until I had an English article. Some of the Russian sites don't translate into English, so have to do it the hard way.
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cyberiot
Rimtas žmogus
With all due respect, this has already been hashed out. OA is a beloved and respected member of this community. He owns his own words, he posts what he posts, and he says what he says any way he wants to say it. That is his right. And it is your right to scroll past posts that annoy you. Can we please get off OA's lawn and move on?
SusieSunshine
Veteran Member
"The State Department announced later that 14 of the evacuees received confirmed they had the virus but were allowed to board the flight because they did not have symptoms. They were being isolated separately from other passengers on the flight, the U.S. State and Health and Human Services said in a joint statement.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health, said Sunday that an infected person who shows minimal symptoms could still pass the virus to someone else."
These people landed in San Antonio in the middle of the night!
Flight with quarantined passengers from cruise ship lands at JBSA-Lackland
A charter flight carrying cruise ship passengers from Japan landed at Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland overnight, starting the clock on a quarantine period to ensure passengers don’t have the new virus that’s been spreading in Asia.
www.ksat.com
I am also curious why there's so few deaths outside of China, plenty of people sick outside of China and they're keeping their cell phones, tweeting and having facetime chats with family... A few have gotten really sick, but most are just like a common cold symptoms and get over it pretty quick.
Starting to wonder if this is more of a China depopulation event rather than a global pandemic event.
Starting to wonder if this is more of a China depopulation event rather than a global pandemic event.
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SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thanks, rondaben! I also have Lupus, and take it on a daily basis! Good thing I have a year's worth on hand. Hopefully, it will offer some protection.
Southside
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Went out to see a client today. A church member that they know well was on the ship in Japan. The wife tested positive, and is in Japan in serious condition, with congestive heart failure. The husband came back to the US. My guess is he is one of the 14 that has now tested positive. They are both in their late 60's, early 70's.
That is all I got...
Southside
That is all I got...
Southside