CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

rondaben

Veteran Member
Deep cover Satanic/Illuminati type group would have the means, brains and access to do it expecting the blame to fall on China.

We'll never know.
if i wanted to blame someone it would be a country thats not a signatory to the biological weapons ban treaties. They would have no cover.
 

Chance

Veteran Member
The Business Source‏ @GlobalTimesBiz 2h2 hours ago

The #COVID19 has been reportedly spreading to four generations since a big company gathering in #Wuhan in late Dec, with 29 people across four provinces diagnosed within weeks, and shows no signs of diminution in infectivity after several rounds of human-to-human transmissions.
CDC. Said that when they see 4th generation here they'll have to say it's beyond controlling in the USA
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
CDC. Said that when they see 4th generation here they'll have to say it's beyond controlling in the USA

As has been pointed out, R0 isn't a property of the disease, it's a function of the disease and the culture. That said, if this bug achieved an R0 over 4 in China, we can pretty much take it as read that it's going to be out of control in the US.
 

Shooter

Veteran Member
since they ship everything here in steel containers. I wonder if there is any gas or anything they could flood the inside of the containers with, and let them simmer the couple ofweeks it takes to get here, to kill any virus that may be on the stuff?

just kind of thinking out loud on this
 
13 people evacuated from cruise ship moved to Nebraska
From CNN's Jennifer Hansler

Dr. William Walters, the Executive and Managing Director of Operational Medicine at Bureau of Medical Services at State Department, said that 338 people were evacuated on the two chartered flights out of Japan.

The flight to California: The aircraft that went to Travis Air Force Base carried 177 people, he said on a briefing call today. Seven of those people “had isolated coronavirus positive,” and an additional three were isolated during the flight because of fever. These three people were not virus positive by test.

Six people were moved to Omaha to be treated at the University of Nebraska, Walters said, adding there were “three spouse pairs, which means four folks that were coronavirus positive but asymptomatic were taken to health care facilities in the vicinity of Travis Air Force Base.”

Dr. Robert Kadlec, the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response (ASPR) at United States Department of Health and Human Services, said this was prearranged with local health authorities.

The flight to Texas: There were 151 individuals on the flight to Lackland Air Force Base, Walters said, and seven were isolated with a positive lab test and no symptoms.

“Two additional personnel were placed in isolation during the flight for fever in accordance with the protocol we’ve discussed,” Walters said.

In total, 144 people stayed at Lackland and seven went on to Omaha, he told reporters.


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Hfcomms

EN66iq
13 people evacuated from cruise ship moved to Nebraska
From CNN's Jennifer Hansler

Dr. William Walters, the Executive and Managing Director of Operational Medicine at Bureau of Medical Services at State Department, said that 338 people were evacuated on the two chartered flights out of Japan.

The flight to California: The aircraft that went to Travis Air Force Base carried 177 people, he said on a briefing call today. Seven of those people “had isolated coronavirus positive,” and an additional three were isolated during the flight because of fever. These three people were not virus positive by test.

Six people were moved to Omaha to be treated at the University of Nebraska, Walters said, adding there were “three spouse pairs, which means four folks that were coronavirus positive but asymptomatic were taken to health care facilities in the vicinity of Travis Air Force Base.”

Dr. Robert Kadlec, the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response (ASPR) at United States Department of Health and Human Services, said this was prearranged with local health authorities.

The flight to Texas: There were 151 individuals on the flight to Lackland Air Force Base, Walters said, and seven were isolated with a positive lab test and no symptoms.

“Two additional personnel were placed in isolation during the flight for fever in accordance with the protocol we’ve discussed,” Walters said.

In total, 144 people stayed at Lackland and seven went on to Omaha, he told reporters.


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Would of been a lot better IMHO to isolate all these people as a group in one facility far away from population centers. By sending some here and some there which are already Corona positive your spreading around the possibility of downstream contamination much greater than it needs to be. Quarantine and isolation away from any nearby communities or people traveling from the isolation center to their communities is the key. Your complicating things this way and increasing the likelihood of further spread of the disease.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Would of been a lot better IMHO to isolate all these people as a group in one facility far away from population centers. By sending some here and some there which are already Corona positive your spreading around the possibility of downstream contamination much greater than it needs to be. Quarantine and isolation away from any nearby communities or people traveling from the isolation center to their communities is the key. Your complicating things this way and increasing the likelihood of further spread of the disease.
If I was the conspiracy type you could almost believe that they were spreading out the people who may have the virus in a pattern to have the best method of giving the virus to the entire country in a short period of time.....

Glad I am not.... wait I am..... hey what are they doing.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
View: https://twitter.com/news_ntd/status/1229247808512954368

NTD News @news_ntd
10:34 PM · Feb 16, 2020

"If we use gene editing and transform these bacteria and viruses, then we will be able to produce a more widespread and lethal super virus," #China's former military scientist Chen Hu said in 2018. The old video has recently sparked heated discussions online.

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My comment:
To be clear, because it's not obvious in the tweet, Chen Hu is NOT advocating this. He is saying genetic weapons are possible and that's why biological weapons should be considered weapons of mass destruction.

You can't embed videos from twitter but I found it on youtube.

China Bio-Weapon Research Programs
Feb 16, 2020
1min 30sec
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsRMHEAUMfo

Already pulled down...
 
2 min ago
Delta is reaching out to Hawaii-Japan passengers after coronavirus scare

From CNN's Pierre Meilhan

Delta Air Lines said today it is “proactively reaching out” to its passengers who recently traveled on one of its flights between Honolulu and Nagoya, Japan, after it became aware that two passengers on that flight are being reportedly treated for the novel coronavirus.

Here's the statement from Delta:

“We are communicating with the appropriate public health officials, including U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and local Japanese authorities. The health and safety of our customers and crews is our top priority, and in cooperation with Japanese health officials, we are proactively reaching out to customers who were onboard that flight as well as taking the necessary steps to ensure the safety of our customers and crew."

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Capt. Eddie

Veteran Member
:fl2:
If I was the conspiracy type you could almost believe that they were spreading out the people who may have the virus in a pattern to have the best method of giving the virus to the entire country in a short period of time.....

Glad I am not.... wait I am..... hey what are they doing.
UNMC will get the bad ones, UNMC ALWAYS gets the bad ones.
 

bcingu

Senior Member
If I was the conspiracy type you could almost believe that they were spreading out the people who may have the virus in a pattern to have the best method of giving the virus to the entire country in a short period of time.....

Glad I am not.... wait I am..... hey what are they doing.

Here's a little more WOO for your enjoyment.

Not only now dead but had a history of losing vials of disease samples.

Tyler Durden / Zero Hedge

Canadian Scientist At Center Of Chinese Bio-Espionage Probe Found Dead In Africa?
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by Tyler Durden
Sat, 02/08/2020 - 12:33

Update (1135ET): It seems that Mr. Plummer made a habit of getting the biological material he was working on "stolen," as we found a report from 2009 in the Winnepeg Free Press that details the theft of 22 vials of biological material was "confirmed by scientific director Dr. Frank Plummer."
Plummer, allegedly, alerted authorities to the missing material on the same day a former vaccine researcher was arrested by FBI special agents after U.S. Customs discovered the vials stuffed in a glove in the trunk of his car at the Manitoba-North Dakota border crossing.
Some of the vials included genes from the deadly Ebola virus, but local scientists say the material is not infectious.
But more than a week after the theft came to light, police said no one from the lab has reported the incident.
Plummer has said the researcher signed a form declaring he did not steal anything from the lab and understood he was not allowed to. The national lab does not conduct searches of staff when they exit the lab and does not routinely take inventory of the thousands of vials containing non-infectious biological substances.
However, court documents allege the former researcher stole the vials on his last day of work at the virology lab in January because "he did not want to start his research over from the beginning when he entered into his next fellowship" with the National Institutes of Health at the Biodefense Research Laboratory in Maryland.
All very curious.
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As GreatGameIndia.com detailed earlier, in a very strange turn of events, renowned scientist Frank Plummer who received Saudi SARS Coronavirus sample and was working on Coronavirus (HIV) vaccine in the Winnipeg based Canadian lab from where the virus was smuggled by Chinese Biowarfare agents and weaponized as revealed in GreatGameIndia investigation, has died in mysterious conditions.

Frank Plummer was the key to the Chinese Biological Espionage case at Winnipeg’s National Microbiology Laboratory.
According to CBC, Plummer, 67, was in Kenya, where he was a keynote speaker at the annual meeting of the University of Nairobi’s collaborative centre for research and training in HIV/AIDS/STIs.
Dr. Larry Gelmon, who helped set up that meeting, said Plummer collapsed and was taken to hospital in Nairobi, where he was pronounced dead on arrival.
No confirmed cause of death has yet been released.
Plummer was born and raised in Winnipeg, where he headed up Canada’s National Microbiology Laboratory for several years.
He was also involved in an innovative research partnership between the University of Manitoba and the University of Nairobi, established before the world was very aware of HIV/AIDS.
“He helped to identify a lot of the key factors that are involved in HIV transmission in the early days,” said Keith Fowke, a professor in the medical microbiology and infectious diseases department at the University of Manitoba.
“He was so hopeful that he was on the path that would end with discovery of the HIV vaccine — the road he had started down almost 30 years ago,” said Plummer’s colleague, Dr. Allan Ronald.
What is not mentioned in the CBC report however is that Plummer worked in the same National Microbiology Laboratory (NML) in Winnipeg, Canada from where Chinese Biowarfare agent Xiangguo Qiu and her colleagues smuggled SARS Coronavirus to China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology where it is believed to have been weaponized and leaked.
 

Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
2 min ago
Delta is reaching out to Hawaii-Japan passengers after coronavirus scare

From CNN's Pierre Meilhan

Delta Air Lines said today it is “proactively reaching out” to its passengers who recently traveled on one of its flights between Honolulu and Nagoya, Japan, after it became aware that two passengers on that flight are being reportedly treated for the novel coronavirus.

Here's the statement from Delta:

“We are communicating with the appropriate public health officials, including U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and local Japanese authorities. The health and safety of our customers and crews is our top priority, and in cooperation with Japanese health officials, we are proactively reaching out to customers who were onboard that flight as well as taking the necessary steps to ensure the safety of our customers and crew."

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I sure hope that they’re decommissioning those planes or throughly bombing them with disinfectant before reusing them again for other flights!
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
Not gonna drift this thread any further but I just want to say since he joined this board Old Archer has always treated every member with respect & politeness.

Just try and remember that when your getting annoyed by his latest persona.

Funny how nobody seems to mind when our witty equine friend posts.
 

Capt. Eddie

Veteran Member
Coronavirus: Nearly 80% of American Factories in Shanghai Say They Lack Workers
John Carney17 Feb 2020


American factories in China are warning that they do not have enough staff to get their production lines fully back online as plants re-open after the extended coronavirus shutdown.

Nearly 80 percent of U.S. businesses in the Shanghai area say they lack the manpower to run at full speed, according to the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai. Forty-one percent said their biggest challenge in the next two to four weeks will be a lack of workers. Thirty percent said logistics issues will be their biggest concern.

The lack of staff raising the prospects of disruptions to global supply chains. The economic fallout from the coronavirus could include hits to production in regions, including the U.S., where the virus itself has been scarce but which are dependent on Chinese inputs for goods. China is one of the top three suppliers, alongside Canada and Mexico, of intermediate goods that go into final products produced in the U.S. It is likely the largest supplier of intermediate goods to the U.S. economy counting its exports to third countries that produce final goods sold in the U.S.

Here is what the American Chamber of Commerce’s survey, released Monday, found:

48% of companies report their global operations are already impacted by the shutdown
78% of companies do not have sufficient staff to run a full production line
41% of companies say a lack of staff is their biggest challenge in the next 2-4 weeks; 30% of companies say logistics issues will be their biggest concern
Over the next few months, 58% of companies expect demand for their output to be lower than normal
38% of companies do not have sufficient masks/other supplies to protect their staff from coronavirus infection
35% of companies ranked a clearer explanation of requirements as the most important thing government officials could do to speed up factory opening approvals

China’s ruling Communist Party has ordered local officials to begin re-opening businesses and factories. But ongoing quarantine rules will make travel and returning to work difficult for many workers. Others may choose to stay away until there is reliable evidence that the outbreak is contained enough to make returning to work safe.


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Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
I threw that image into a Yandex reverse image search and had interesting results. Was from a scrap seller. Had nothing to do with a crematorium at all. I never isolated the actual photo, but did look at a couple that had a similar pile of phone scrap and the exact same tile floor. Somebody is messing with images to spread fear. Not nice.

I tried to translate the Mandarin but couldn't get it to copy into the Mandarin translator.

There are "people" who eat fear and death vibes like we eat candy.
Prove something three ways. Until then it is just a rumor. The truth might as well have been on the floor with those phones, as that is about what it is valued anymore for most.
For us, it is a precious treasure still and always.

Yup... I didn't buy it from the beginning. It was a picture of phones, nothing more. Folks need to be skeptical of almost everything the see/read/hear if it can't be backed up by, at least, one other source.

And, if your link is from "UFO Spotlight" or similar ( Not throwing shade... Just the most recent example ), don't post it...
 
6 min ago
At least 140 travelers denied entry to US due to coronavirus outbreak
From CNN's Geneva Sands


An airport officer walks past international travelers arriving to Los Angeles International Airport on the first day of health screenings for coronavirus of people coming from Wuhan, China on Tuesday, January 18 in Los Angeles, California.
An airport officer walks past international travelers arriving to Los Angeles International Airport on the first day of health screenings for coronavirus of people coming from Wuhan, China on Tuesday, January 18 in Los Angeles, California. David McNew/Getty Images

The Trump administration has prevented at least 140 travelers from entering the United States as it attempts to contain the spread of the novel coronavirus.

Fourteen foreign nationals were turned away at US airports and 126 people were refused entry at land ports from February 2 to 12, according to data provided to CNN by the Department of Homeland Security.

Airlines are responsible for removing passengers who are denied entry to the US out of the country. Additionally, 34 travelers were stopped at pre-clearance locations — airports where US officials conduct screening before passengers board US-bound flights.

More on this: On February 2, the US began implementing stringent travel restrictions that include temporarily denying entry to foreign nationals who visited China in the 14 days prior to their arrival in the US. US citizens returning from China are also subject to health screenings and potential quarantine. Those US citizens and others traveling to the US from China are being funneled through 11 airports where authorities can conduct additional screening and transfer people for quarantine if needed.

Last summer, as the Ebola virus threat was emerging from the Democratic Republic of Congo, DHS' Countering Weapons of Mass Destruction Office implemented plans to provide enhanced airport screening at multiple airports throughout the United States. The department's chief medical officer is housed within the CWMD office.

The department retrofitted its Ebola response plan to deal with the coronavirus outbreak, according to DHS.
Customs officers have referred at least 38,498 people for secondary screening since the efforts began on February 2, the vast majority of which were at airports. Of those referred at airports, 21,303 required secondary screening between February 2 and 10.

Personnel has been added to deal with the virus as well.
Over 500 CWMD contractors are employed at the 11 airports.
As of February 12, 19 DHS personnel were assigned to the US Department of Health and Human Services operations center.
There are also 150-200 Customs and Border Protection officers assisting with screening daily at the 11 airports.

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Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
Already pulled down...

Not surprised. The video is still on the twitter page.

View: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1229247808512954368


It has subtitles so I transcribed those. Of course, I don't speak Chinese so who knows if those subtitles are accurate. They may be discussing how to clean your car for all we know. But here are the subtitles as given:

FROM 2018

Q: why would genetic engineering be listed as a weapon of mass destruction?

China's former military scientist Chen Hu: In recent years we have experienced and seen many epidemics on a large scale such as SARS, bird flu, even Eobla and the Zika virus that is now circulating in South America. If we use gene editing and transform these bacteria and viruses then we will be able to produce a more widespread and lethal supervirus or a superbug. Then for this supervirus and superbug its killing capacity is similar to atomic and hydrogen bombs. It's comparable to chemical weapons.

Q: So it's very dangerous.

A: We're just saying it's a potential weapon.

Q: Then from gene-editing technique to a genetic weapon what difficulties will we face.

A: It doesn't simply require us to make such a supervirus or a superbug. If you want to use it on a large scale, you have to first solve a problem which is you only use it to harm your enemies but not yourself. Even more terrifying is that it can target the characteristics of a specific ethnicity. Their genetic characteristics, the characteristics of a specific ethnicity. Their genetic characteristics. (You) specifically engineer such a gene in a particular way.

Q: It has the potential to kill a specific ethnicity

A: Yes, because genes with different ethnicities have their own characteristics. Of course, the most terrible thing is that if this technique is mastered by some madmen or some extremist terrorist organizations they probably wouldn't even care whether it will harm themselves as long as it can cause harm to humankind and cause a feeling of terror. They will use it on a larger scale.
 

bluemoon

Veteran Member
This may be true in some areas. However my husband is in direct contact with their factories all over China, dozens of them, and as of today.. they have 4 factories up and going and dozens and dozens of containers waiting to go out. It is NOT business as usual right now. My husband who normally thinks most things I might worry about are woowoooo Is not at all thinking things are "fine". In fact quite the opposite.

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Also an almost funny thing. His main guy over there, who is in Tianjin, keeps asking hubby what is happening as they are getting little to no info in China
On the the container shipments--would it also affect container ships of oil used in a special manufacturing of cow feed? A tree that grows in Malaysia is used to produce an oil that is used in milk production. A friend of my husbands job has been told they will not be getting any of this oil for at least 3 weeks and they have all been told no work right now.
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I think that its important to realize what phase we are in of the infection. Today is the 17th of February. If incubation is up to 24 days that would mean that some people would have contracted it back on January 24th or so.

Look back into the the way back machine of 3 weeks ago:

There were 1317 confirmed cases. 30 of those were outside of China. Officially 41 people had died.

Those people who were likely infectious that gave it to the folks we are seeing it today contracted it in the first week of January, days after the WHO was notified and perhaps a week before the first official death on January 11th.

It FEELS like we should be seeing more. Just remember, we are really in the midst of the second or third generation of this virus. It is very,very early.

I’ve also noticed that the incubation period keeps growing.
How many days/weeks is it out to, now ?

Kinda convenient to have a fluid incubation period, you know, when the numbers start to (continue to ?) not add up ?
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
"Specialized containment area" = "Hang a curtain here". Very much doubt they had the equipment to set up a negative pressure area. Must have felt a little discomfiting for the other passengers.

It was more than a curtain. Here are some pictures from the article I posted here:

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Capt. Eddie

Veteran Member
Since Nebraska Medicine and the University of Nebraska Medical Center (UNMC) handled the treatment of three patients with Ebola in 2014, we have led the world in treatment, training and quarantine methods for highly infectious diseases.

In the video above, Nebraska Medicine/UNMC and our partners from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), Nebraska National Guard, Governor Pete Ricketts, Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response (ASPR), and many other local and state agencies joined together for a press conference to explain more about the arrival of rescued Americans from China to Nebraska.

Below, our infectious disease experts have answered common questions about the virus, including advice about how to protect yourself and your loved ones.

NEW FEB. 17: Are there additional quarantine efforts underway?
13 Americans who have been on a cruise ship docked off the coast of Japan for two weeks arrived in Omaha, Nebraska, on Monday, Feb. 17, for further monitoring, testing and treatment if needed. Some of these citizens were tested in Japan and they will be re-tested for validation in Nebraska.

Currently, there have been 15 cases of COVID-19 in the U.S. and zero deaths. While this disease has been more infectious than the SARS outbreak in 2003, it has been far less lethal.

NEW FEB. 17: Where are the cruise ship passengers being monitored?
12 Americans are currently being monitored at the recently opened National Quarantine Unit, located within the Training, Simulation and Quarantine Center on the UNMC/Nebraska Medical Center campus. It was designed for this very purpose – to safely monitor Americans after exposure to an infectious disease. The unit, which has a 20-bed capacity, is in close proximity to the Nebraska Biocontainment Unit, should a higher level of care be needed.

After the passengers arrived, it was determined one person needed to be taken to the Biocontainment Unit for additional care. Our Nebraska Biocontainment Unit team cared for three patients with Ebola in late 2014.

NEW FEB. 17: What is the latest on the Americans being monitored at Camp Ashland?
One of the 57 rescued Americans being monitored for COVID-19 (coronavirus) at Camp Ashland was transported to the National Quarantine Unit on the Nebraska Medical Center/UNMC campus for further evaluation and testing on Friday, Feb. 14. On Saturday, Feb. 15, it was confirmed through testing that this individual did not have the disease.

The Nebraska Public Health lab gave two tests 24 hours apart, and both were negative. If everyone at Camp Ashland remains without symptoms, the group is scheduled to leave quarantine on Thursday, Feb. 20.

Why were the Americans in China brought to Nebraska?
Our fellow Americans came to Nebraska to be quarantined at Camp Ashland. While here, they will be closely observed. If any of the Americans staying at Camp Ashland develop physical signs or symptoms of infection, they would be cared for by one of the best infectious diseases teams in the world, along with partners from the CDC, at an appropriate location at the Nebraska Medical Center.

Nebraska Medicine/UNMC have answered the global health emergency call before. In the last five years, we have been busy teaching other health care professionals around the world, developing new approaches to care, conducting research, and putting what we learned into practice. Along with our federal partners, we have the right people for this job. There is no better place for our fellow Americans to be.

Is there risk to the community from team members working with the quarantined group at Camp Ashland?
Federal service members will wear personal protective equipment when working in close proximity to those under quarantine. This includes the federal service members who will monitor symptoms. The CDC recommends that those individuals who are not wearing personal protective equipment remain at least 6 feet away (exposure perimeter).

Will those being quarantined interact with each other and have access to common areas?
According to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, those who are under quarantine have been instructed to remain at least six feet away from each other.

The quarantine group has access to an exercise room. Use of the room will be scheduled to prevent interaction. Exercise equipment will be cleaned between uses.

Any other facilities offered for common use will be determined by the CDC and the Public Health Service support team.


It would seem that the Biological containment unit has a higher level of care then the quarantine unit? More like an ICU I'm guessing. Remember folks the biocontainment unit only has 10 beds, and the quarantine unit 20 per link. That's a total of 30 beds at " the nation's leading infectious disease facility".
 
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Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
On the the container shipments--would it also affect container ships of oil used in a special manufacturing of cow feed? A tree that grows in Malaysia is used to produce an oil that is used in milk production. A friend of my husbands job has been told they will not be getting any of this oil for at least 3 weeks and they have all been told no work right now.


A butterfly flaps its wings in the Amazonian jungle, and subsequently a storm ravages half of Europe....

HD
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
My guess(es) as to the reasons for spreading the returning patients with the virus out to different locations: One, no one hospital has sufficient quarantine facilities to hold all of them. Two, I assume that they are going to be studied for future reference, and tested; and the more different sets of eyes and different minds attacking the problem, the greater chance of finding the best treatments.

But it does seem like a good way to spread the virus all over the place if their containment procedures fail at any point.

Kathleen
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Personally, I don't think it was an accidental release by the Chinese. Or intentional by them either.

But I do think that it is likely an altered virus--at least with the limited information we have.

When you say "altered", I am assuming you mean man stepped in and screwed with it...

If so, what other option is there besides intentional or accidental release?
 
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