CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

raven said:

HAHA. That's 650 feet . . . over two football fields in length . . . .
in those days there were might men of old that could slay a man with a single fart at 650 feet.
they didn't stand a chance

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The Frenchman's secret weapon;
All they had to do was phart in your general direction.....

The real trick. Self quarantine at your well prepared home,sick or not. Let the government quarantine you at whatever facility they chose at the time,sick or not. Take your chances of getting sick and surviving but trying not to spread it. The trick part being the timing and deciding if this virus is just a failure like the last 6 times. What you going to do?

Doc1 said:

It's too late to cancel New Orleans' Mardi Gras. The streets are already filled and the damage - if any - is already done. A huge problem with both the New Orleans and Brazil carnivals is that tracking down infection vectors will be impossible amongst the millions of revelers. The medical authorities might suspect that someone contracted the disease in New Orleans or Rio, but pinpointing it to any particular carriers will be like finding a needle in a field full of haystacks.

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Doc You used the word millions of revelers. I expect that that is the scale and scope of what goes on in Brazil. Do you, our anyone have a vague idea of how big mardi gras in New Orleans?

Trivium Pursuit said:

Doc You used the word millions of revelers. I expect that that is the scale and scope of what goes on in Brazil. Do you, our anyone have a vague idea of how big mardi gras in New Orleans?

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It's actually celebrated in several states including Mississippi, Florida, Alabama and who know how many more...

So...., Are we now going to track and isolate everyone that flies in from, for example, S Korea and Iran? When does this become overwhelming? When do we even quit trying?

rondaben said:

you had one job....

WHO says no longer uses "pandemic" category, but virus still emergency

WHO says no longer uses "pandemic" category, but virus still emergency

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They are getting ridiculous! Like little children who are plugging their ears and pretending that if they don’t say it, it doesn’t exist. It’s semantics. They can call it whatever word they want, but it’s not going to change the situation.

Unreal. I never thought I’d see the day when a true emergency is at hand and official government and UN organizations are tip-toeing around verbiage so as not to upset the masses.

rondaben said:

you had one job....

WHO says no longer uses "pandemic" category, but virus still emergency

WHO says no longer uses "pandemic" category, but virus still emergency

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WHO doesn't want to use any terms that may frighten the sheep... Way to common anymore. If the old term or phrase sounds scary, just rename it.

Hfcomms said:

Hey...it’s just the common flu.

People are going to wake up pretty quick. On vacation this week and sitting at the laundromat right now. One other person in there right now. Not going to be around people and starting to lock myself down as well. I’ll hit the box store when it opens at 6:30. Curious to see if people have started to wake up. Going to check out the paint aisle to see if all the gloves and masks have finally been bought up. Was surprised last week to still see a decent assortment.

Other than hitting the grocery store early on Thurs I’m staying put. There is a university here and I’m pretty sure some foreign students that were overseas on the Holliday break at Christmas. I consider my area to be low threat but I don’t believe in no threat. Life as we know it can quickly change as people in S. Korea, Iran and Italy are finding out.

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So I hit the box store when it opened and my perception of the people I saw was complete normality and oblivion. That was the way Italy, S. Korea and Iran was a few days ago and now they are running around nuts. Things can quickly change and Americans don’t think it possible.

I went to the paint aisle and there was still plenty of gloves, Tyvek paint suits, booties and still a few dozen N95 masks and quite a few N100 disk filters for the half face respirators. I did buy a few more masks and another box of gloves. Things might look quite a bit different in another week or two.

alpha said:

It's actually celebrated in several states including Mississippi, Florida, Alabama and who know how many more...

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There's no shortage of lost people celebrating pagan beliefs and unbiblical tradition.

raven said:

In a zombie apocalypse, the dead don't stay dead. They just keep walking about.
In the coronavirus apocalypse, the cured don't stay cured. They just keep walking about.

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. . . and the infected will not stay quarantined but just continue flying from one country to the next

I had a company meeting recently and they were talking about some new technology they are hoping to roll out in the first quarter, but they said it might be delayed until sometime early in the second quarter because of the "virus" in China. They stated they were pushing their supplier to meet the schedule for shipment though. The whole time I was thinking, we'll be lucky to get it second quarter of 2021 if it's coming out of China.

Tom McDowell said:

iMask? Companies Race To Build Next-Gen Facewear To Block Germs



by Tyler Durden
Sun, 02/23/2020 - 08:45

So, here's something you haven't heard unless you read ZeroHedge.
Several companies, as far as what we can see, are racing to build the next generation of wearable air purifiers for the face to block germs and dirty air, just because legacy masks aren't effective.
In the wake of the Covid-19 outbreak in China, South Korea, Japan, and quickly spreading across the world, personal protective gear sales had sharply moved higher in the last month, something we've documented on various occasions.
Earlier this month, we noted how Dyson patented a wearable air purifier that can also be used as headphones.



Now Ao Air's Atmos Faceware is the next generation of maks to block germs up to 50 times better than traditional masks currently on the market, reported AUT BioDesign Lab.

The company commissioned its own study (note: the research isn't published nor peer-reviewed) describes how Atmos Faceware is a much better solution against particulate matter than standard air filter mask certified by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health.

Ao Air claims Atmos Faceware is unlike traditional face masks because it doesn't require an airtight seal to be effective.



The new mask is considered an expensive choice and could be worn by the upper class while everyone else resorts to cheap 3M N95 masks. The new mask is expected to retail around $350-$400 this summer.

An emerging trend with the virus outbreak, wildfires, and leftist media claiming climate change is torching the world has been the explosion in protective gear sales.

AO Air and Dyson appears to be leading the push to blend technology into mask making.
Since Foxconn is getting into mask development, we're surprised Apple hasn't released plans for an iMask, or scheming Elon Musk hasn't touted a Cybermask.

To sum up, we could all be wearing masks one day – if you think that's crazy just look at what's happening across Asia. Mask wearing is coming to America – it's only a matter of time.

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

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Doesn’t protect the eyes...

Coronavirus in Italy, 219 cases and 6 deaths: third country in the world by infections after China and South Korea

rondaben said:

you had one job....
WHO says no longer uses "pandemic" category, but virus still emergency
WHO says no longer uses "pandemic" category, but virus still emergency

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Jubilee on Earth said:

They are getting ridiculous! Like little children who are plugging their ears and pretending that if they don’t say it, it doesn’t exist. It’s semantics. They can call it whatever word they want, but it’s not going to change the situation.

Unreal. I never thought I’d see the day when a true emergency is at hand and official government and UN organizations are tip-toeing around verbiage so as not to upset the masses.

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Ok, you saw it.
WHO chief warned Friday that the world must not squander a narrowing 'window of opportunity' over virus
And today "We don't use the word "Pandemic" anymore.

Symbolic logic would dictate that it is now officially a Pandemic but they are not going to use the word because they really have no means to do jack shit about it.
That goes for the CDC as well.
And, as in China, neither does the federal government.

Jake Grey said:

I believe it is very likely that there are many more cases in the U.S. than currently reported. I was trying to think of some ways we could look for clues. I believe we Timebombers can search the obituaries on funeral home websites and possibly find some clues. I am looking for obits for EMTs, Paramedics, Doctors, and Nurses.

While looking through a bunch of funeral home websites, I found a funeral home that seemed far behind in writing obits. Then it dawned on me that funeral directors/morticians would likely get hit if it really gets going here. Could be their "go to obit writer" is on vacation or like many smaller funeral homes, the same people go to homes and hospitals to pick up bodies, do the embalming, and write the obits.

Maybe we should start a thread in the BS with suspect obits since it will be local info. With lots of us on TB searching, maybe we can find some clues and warn one another.

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Interesting angle on all this period I don't know anything about funeral homes. If I had to guess, I would say that they probly just have someone who one of their side parts of their job is writing obits. Otherwise, this could be an interesting part time job for some of us… Does anyone know if obit writer's a full time job at a funeral home?

I thought the obit writers worked for the newspapers, but I could be wrong.

Kathleen

Study: Two-Thirds of Coronavirus Cases from China Undetected Worldwide


Results of a new study from the Imperial College London has found that approximately two-thirds of coronavirus cases from China continue to be undetected worldwide.
The study was led by researchers who collaborated with the U.N.’s World Health Organization (WHO) and analyzed flight data from Wuhan City, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus (COVID-19).
The researchers concluded:

[W]e estimated that about two thirds of COVID-19 cases exported from mainland China have remained undetected worldwide, potentially resulting in multiple chains of as yet undetected human-to-human transmission outside mainland China.

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The authors explain that while the exported cases of the coronavirus have varying degrees of severity, “some countries have detected significantly fewer” cases than they would expect given “the volume of flight passengers arriving from Wuhan City, China.”
The results suggest that “sources of human-to-human transmission” are being left unchecked.
Researchers have found Singapore, Finland, Nepal, Belgium, Sweden, India, Sri Lanka, and Canada, have all been more successful in detecting the virus.
“We are starting to see more cases reported from countries and regions outside mainland China with no known travel history or link to Wuhan City,” said co-author Natsuko Imai, according to the Epoch Times. “Our analysis … demonstrates the importance of surveillance and case detection if countries are to successfully contain the epidemic.”
According to a report at AFP, experts say “each person who falls ill with coronavirus will infect between two and three others on average.”
The report continues:

That is a higher rate than a typical winter flu (1.3), lower than an infectious disease such as measles (more than 12), and comparable to Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome or SARS (3) — the last major virus that broke out in China, in 2002-03.

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Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, WHO director-general, also said Friday he is concerned about “the number of cases with no clear epidemiological link, such as travel history to China or contact with a confirmed case.”
An additional problem with detection is that some people who have the virus are asymptomatic.
The virus is primarily transmitted through saliva that is released when an infected individual coughs into the air, but can also be transmitted through diarrhea.

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Bensam said:

One person the man had been in contact with and who had developed symptoms of illness flew on a plane to Wisconsin during the 14-day period when she was supposed to be isolated at home."

There is always one asshole who thinks he's so important that the rules don't apply. Like that Oregon comedian who skipped out the back door of his quarantine in Cambodia.

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There is no excuse for this kind of behavior. This person needs to be incarcerated and if they develop symptoms, denied any sort of medical care. If they recover, they should be sent to prison for a long time. You do not put the population of this country at risk because of your selfish behavior/desires. Some people just do not deserve the air they breathe.
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"Flew on a plane to Wisconsin". That just happens to be where E*ic is headquartered.

Iran rejects reported Qom death toll of 50 from new virus DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — A staggering 50 people have died in the Iranian city of Qom from the new coronavirus this month, a lawmaker was quoted as saying on Monday, even as the Health Ministry insisted only 12 deaths have been recorded nationwide.

The new death toll reported by the Qom representative, Ahmad Amirabadi Farahani, is significantly higher than the 47 total cases of infections state TV had reported just hours earlier. Iran’s health ministry now says total infections have risen to 61, but a spokesman said deaths remained at 12.

Still, questions of transparency are being raised as the number of deaths compared to the number of confirmed infections from the virus is higher in Iran than in any other country, including China and South Korea, where the outbreak is far more widespread.

There are concerns that clusters of the new coronavirus in Iran, as well as in Italy and South Korea, could signal a serious new stage in its global spread.

Farahani, the lawmaker, said the 50 deaths in Qom date as far back as Feb. 13. Iran first officially reported cases of the virus and its first deaths on Feb. 19.

Farahani did not provide evidence to support his claims but said more than 250 people are quarantined in Qom, which is known for its Shiite seminaries that attract students from across Iran and other countries. Schools there have been shuttered.

“I think the performance of the administration in controlling the virus has not been successful,” Farahani said, referring to the government of President Hassan Rouhani.

His comments represent the most public criticism levied yet against the government for its handling of the virus, which originated in China in December.

“None of the nurses have access to proper protective gear,” Farahani said, adding that some health care specialists had left the city. “So far, I have not seen any particular action to confront corona by the administration.

He spoke following a session in parliament in Tehran. His comments were published first by the semi-official ILNA and later by other news agencies in Iran.

While the lawmaker’s harsh criticism is rare in Iran, it reflects deep-seated public mistrust of the government, particularly in the days since the downing of a Ukrainian passenger jet in January that killed all 176 on board amid heightened tensions with the U.S. Officials in Iran tried to conceal the cause of the crash before admitting Revolutionary Guard forces had shot the plane down, mistaking it as enemy target.

Health Ministry spokesman Iraj Harirchi insisted Monday the death toll from the virus remains at 12. He did, however, raise the number of confirmed cases of infections to 61, and added that some 900 other suspected cases are being tested.

“No one is qualified to discuss this sort of news at all,” Harirchi said, adding that lawmakers have no access to coronavirus statics and could be mixing figures on deaths related to other diseases like the flu with the new virus.

The virus, which causes the illness recently named COVID-19, has infected more than 79,000 people globally, and caused more than 2,600 deaths, most of them in China.

Ian Mackay, who studies viruses at Australia’s University of Queensland said the latest figures reported by the lawmaker mean that “Iran could become the hotspot for seeding countries that have travel with Iran ... a source outside of China.”

The outbreak of the virus in Iran comes as its economy buckles under pressure from U.S. economic sanctions. The virus threatens to isolate Iran even further as neighboring countries closed their borders with Iran.

Authorities in Iraq and Afghanistan, which shut their borders with Iran, announced their first confirmed coronavirus cases on Monday. Kuwait and Bahrain also announced their first cases. In all four countries, the infected patients had links with Iran.

Travelers from Iran infected with the virus have also been confirmed in Canada, Lebanon and the United Arab Emirates.

The head of the World Health Organization expressed concerns Monday over the virus’ spread in Iran and Italy.

“It is an incredible time. Less than two months ago, the coronavirus was completely unknown to us,” WHO Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told reporters Monday. “The past few weeks has demonstrated just how quickly a new virus can spread around the world and cause widespread fear and disruption.”

The outbreak in Iran has centered mostly in the city of Qom, but spread rapidly over the past few days as Iranians went to the polls on Friday for parliamentary elections, with many voters wearing masks and stocking up on hand sanitizer.

Iranian health officials have not said whether health workers in Qom who first came in contact with infected people had taken precautionary measures in treating those who died of the virus. Iran also has not said how many people are in quarantine across the country overall.

To prevent the spread of the virus, schools across much of the country were closed for a second day. Public soccer matches and movie screenings have been suspended. Tehran’s metro, which is used by some 3 million people, and public buses in the capital are being sanitized daily.

Kuwait announced on Monday its first cases of the virus, saying that three travellers returning from the northeastern city of Mashhad, Iran, were confirmed infected with the coronavirus.

Iran, however, has not yet reported any confirmed cases of the virus in Mashhad, raising further questions about how the Iranian government is carrying out tests and quarantines.

Iran has confirmed cases so far in five cities, including the capital, Tehran. A local mayor in Tehran is among those infected and in quarantine.

Iraq said the virus was confirmed in an Iranian student in the Shiite holy city of Najaf. Separately, a person in Afghanistan’s western province of Herat who had returned from Iran tested positive for the virus, the health ministry there confirmed.

Bahrain’s Health Ministry said an infected citizen who returned from Iran on Friday had transited through the world’s busiest international airport in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. The ministry said the person is a school bus driver, and that students are being checked and related schools will be closed for two weeks.

Armenia too has closed its border with Iran for two weeks and suspended air traffic between the two countries because of the new coronavirus. Azerbaijan temporarily closed two border checkpoints with Iran. Georgia too has restricted movement of individuals to and from Iran and halted direct flights.

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Associated Press writers Nasser Karimi in Tehran, Iran; Rahim Faiez and Tameem Akhgar in Kabul, Afghanistan; Qassim Abdul-Zahra in Baghdad; Jan M. Olsen in Copenhagen, Denmark; Aniruddha Ghosal in New Delhi, India; and Sophiko Megrelidze in Tbilisi, Georgia contributed to this report. View: https://twitter.com/AP/status/1231856819028594688

I also heard her "Maria" say China wasn't fulfilling it's contracts and turning ships with medical supplies around because they wanted the supplies for their own use.

No one really could calculate the Chinese numbers but the numbers are more reliable out of Italy and S. Korea and it has spooked the market.

Trivium Pursuit said:

Doc You used the word millions of revelers. I expect that that is the scale and scope of what goes on in Brazil. Do you, our anyone have a vague idea of how big mardi gras in New Orleans?

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I used the plural millions in reference to all of the Mardi Gras revellers in New Orleans and Rio. I'm not sure what the current New Orleans numbers are but do know that in the past they were estimated to be one million. Additionally, there are Mardi Gras celebrations in other Gulf Coast cities. The Brazilian carnival is much larger than New Orleans', so I think the combined total of millions is correct.

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Russian Market‏Verified account @russian_market 22m22 minutes ago

OMAN CONFIRMS TWO CASES OF CORONAVIRUS

Russian Market‏Verified account @russian_market 6h6 hours ago

CHINA WARNS NOT TO TRAVEL TO UNITED STATES

Wars on the Brink (current focus coronavirus)‏ @WarsontheBrink 14m14 minutes ago

Oman Halts all flights to Iran due to #coronavirus

northern watch said:

Russian Market‏Verified account @russian_market 6h6 hours ago

CHINA WARNS NOT TO TRAVEL TO UNITED STATES

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WTF?

Bizarro world

rondaben said:

you had one job....

WHO says no longer uses "pandemic" category, but virus still emergency

WHO says no longer uses "pandemic" category, but virus still emergency

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What nonsense! Most public health departments have the table in their plans with the 6 phases of pandemic that help guide activities and responses depending on the level at which you are at. What level or phase you are at determines the kind of response. It is a very helpful guide for determining the type of activities and so on that need to be undertaking and helps with a more coordinated response. Of course we were hanging in there between phase 5 and phase 6(pandemic phase) until all of this about Iran, Italy, and South Korea came up. We are at Phase 6 now which is the full pandemic phase.

northern watch said:

Russian Market‏Verified account @russian_market 6h6 hours ago

CHINA WARNS NOT TO TRAVEL TO UNITED STATES

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Good!

Bloomberg Markets‏Verified account @markets 11m11 minutes ago

U.S. stocks plunge at the open https://bloom.bg/2vdTy1U

Millwright said:

WTF?

Bizarro world

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hopefully that is a political move and nothing else. this could mean a few things..

BNO Newsroom‏Verified account @BNODesk 5m5 minutes ago

NEW: Italy reports another death from coronavirus, raising death toll to 7, four of which happened today; latest patient was a man in his 80s - ANSA

alpha said:

It's actually celebrated in several states including Mississippi, Florida, Alabama and who know how many more...

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Lots of celebrations in Texas. We do love a good party. Don't think they are all on the Gulf coast, either. I found listings for Bandera and Fort Worth among many others.

Bloomberg‏Verified account @business 11m11 minutes ago

The won dropped to a six-month low and stocks plunged after South Korea raised its infectious-disease alert to the highest level as the coronavirus outbreak worsened https://trib.al/dG3lkkx

EndGameWW3‏ @EndGameWW3 now46 seconds ago

So now the WHO changes the rules and says there is no longer a classification for a Pandemic. What?

northern watch said:

Russian Market‏Verified account @russian_market 6h6 hours ago

CHINA WARNS NOT TO TRAVEL TO UNITED STATES

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Which is hilarious since we aren’t accepting flights from China anyway

Bloomberg‏Verified account @business 11m11 minutes ago

Stocks plunge -3% at the open https://trib.al/Bfkbfqh

Doc1 said:

I used the plural millions in reference to all of the Mardi Gras revellers in New Orleans and Rio. I'm not sure what the current New Orleans numbers are but do know that in the past they were estimated to be one million. Additionally, there are Mardi Gras celebrations in other Gulf Coast cities. The Brazilian carnival is much larger than New Orleans', so I think the combined total of millions is correct.

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Ouch, man.. 1 mill total?

Bloomberg‏Verified account @business now16 seconds ago

With much of China’s economy still idled as authorities try to contain an epidemic that has infected more than 75,000 people — millions of companies across the country are in a race against the clock to stay afloat

rondaben said:

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The Chinese shed infection numbers by redefining infection. WHO will keep the pandemic from happening by defining it out of existence. There's a pattern here.