CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

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Troke

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Allotrope said:
One concern, even if this pandemic fades away, is that many small countries and/or terrorist groups have seen the damage, panic, and efficacy of a bio-agent. CRISPR technology is relatively cheap and easy, no PhD. required but it helps. Anyone with the resources of a small to medium sized company can now, with publicly available information, engineer their own versions of a bio-weapon.

Terrorist groups produce terror and if their hatred is accompanied by religious fervor, believing they will be protected from their own creation, this release may be just the first. The same applies to a country that believes it is at a severe disadvantage compared to the rest of the world. Countries that do not have the infrastructure or human resources to produce nuclear weapons may produce bio-weapons without the knowledge or ability to do so safely or contain them. There will be many Frankenstein’s Monsters, they will just be very small.
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AS I have constantly ranted, technology has empowered the Weak while PC had castrated the Strong.
 
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There is only one way to survive.... Stay Healthy! It is not possible to contain a virus that is being spread by people that are only tested after showing symptoms, when, for 2 or 3 weeks, they have been contagious and inoculating others. Prep and stay healthy. My personal feeling is that we will all get it. To the healthy, it will be a bad cold or mild flu. To those already compromised, it will be worse. It's aerosol-ed, so then what? It'll be everywhere. Build up the immune system. Really, what else can we do?

Clearly, the "Chess-master" is moving the pieces. Refer the Book of Ester for an example...
 
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ktrapper

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Concerning Cytokine Storms.

I posted a video in the unexplained section, in reference to the Alta reports. I left it there instead of posting it here because there is mention of some webbot woo in the video but the main premise of the video is how to quell a cytokine storm. It’s from Feb 5th. Vitamin B-6 is the answer in that video. Clif is reading from some med technical information it appears. I couldn’t really tell from my phone. It’s worth watching in my opinion.
It’s slow to start so just wait for it.
 
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Troke

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Birthday party this weekend for DW. Six of the nine kids, several inlaws and some grown grand children who are out of the nest. (Metaphor there).

Ran the Chinese Plague up the flagpole (Metaphor there)

Nobody saluted.

IBM type did say they were being greatly hampered by lack of production in China.

Another knew of a major international tech conference in Las Vegas that got cancelled at a cost to somebody of maybe a million bucks considering the several venues leased around town and the several major hotels ditto..

I have been forwarding good stuff from this thread with no apparent result.

DW and I have been busily ramping up our prep supplies but nobody else is.
 
TxGal

TxGal

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rafter said:
Tucker Carlson spent the first 30 minutes in complete Corona Virus doom report. He is single handily trying to stampede the sheeple.

If you can catch it on a later broadcast...do it.
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We watched it, and we thought the exact same thing. I had planned to do one more Costco run this week, and I still plan to, but I am definitely feeling good about all the prepping/topping off we had done ahead of time. When I do go, I'll post what I find...normal, or far from it.
 
marsh

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So:

(1) Only 4 states have the capacity for testing, everything else has to go back to the CDC
(2) The tests have unreliable results
(3) The CDC has persisted with its narrow guidance that only people who have been to China or have come in close contact with someone who has been to China may be tested for the virus - regardless of the proliferation of the disease in Japan, Singapore, Korea and other parts of Asia Europe and now the Middle East.
(4) According to Chris Martenson, only 400 some people have been tested so far in the US.
(5) Reports by medical personnel and First Responders are that they have been given no protocols, training or protective gear to handle a case. Some medical professionals are now saying that when this gets bad, they will not report for work.

Does ANYONE have any faith left in the competency of HHS/CDC at this point? This appears to be a giant cluster *uck that will end up killing far more people than could have occurred with a more aggressive and transparent approach.

If I were a Senator, I would demand that the scheduled hearing be open for public viewing and I would ream these people a new one. I don't care whose Administration they are part of.
 
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Troke

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bw said:
In the viewpoint of TPTB, you can't handle the truth.
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Back in my Crypto-Q-Red days, they had classified briefings because if the other side got the pure info, they would know where it came from. Thus classified. If leaked, it was no longer pure and maybe the other side might not figure it out.
 
Trivium Pursuit

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night driver said:
EPIC is the software that runs the record keeping function for a surprising majority of hospitals in the US and in a number of other countries.

I've worked in an EPIC hospital (Cleveland Clinic (in ALL their facilities)) and a NON EPIC hospital (UH Case). Now, UH-Case-Rainbow MAY have converted as it's been a few years.

If EPIC sneezes, half of the hospitals in the US show signs of pneumonia.
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Yes, and this deserves further clarification. When we say it is a records system, a record keeping system, you could think it's just a dry thing played with by accountants after you are discharged from the hospital. While it is also that, it is something far more important, and why I actually mentioned it on this thread.

It is your LIVE chart while you are in the hospital. The nurse who asks you if you've been to China in the last 14 days enters that into EPIC. When he or she charts your vitals, they put in into EPIC. Your doctor then reads that information in their EPIC screen, and orders medications, surgeries, therapies, consultations, etc., using the EPIC system. In a word, it often determines the healthcare you're given, based on what is entered into it--which was also true of a paper chart.

Specifically here, say the nurse enters that you have been to China in the last 14 days, and you have a symptom of cough. It is EPIC that will now pop up a Best Practice Advisory. It is telling you in bright yellow on the screen that you need to put goggles on, put a mask on the patient, and get them into several kinds of isolation. This is the logic that I mentioned earlier in this thread that EPIC had released in January. Which I could see that my current client system put into production 2 Tuesdays ago.

So, if we discover much more accurate screening methods, effective isolation protocols, etc., it would be EPIC that would design and send out the code to implement that. Which is why we all benefit from it continuing to function. And not only hospitals. Most hospitals own scads of doctors practices. So if you go to your doctor's office, there's a good chance that they would be asking you the same questions about China and coughing, and getting that same determination from the EPIC clinic software, which I also train.
 
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Housecarl said:
I suggested this as a possibility how many days ago?
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About lab animals being used for food. Well, it has happened right here in the US of A! In 1972 I worked at HP near Stanford University. We would all go to lunch at a great little hamburger place nearby. On Wednesdays they had "special" Parisian burgers for 38 cents. Regular hamburgers were 50 cents. One day we went there and it was closed. There was police tape around the building. The next morning there was a front page article about the fact that the owner was using 25% lab rat meat in the burgers. He claimed they were the control rats. Sure. I have always wondered what in the hell chemicals we ate. Oh well. The burgers were great and I'm still above ground.
 
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CarolynA said:
About lab animals being used for food. Well, it has happened right here in the US of A! In 1972 I worked at HP near Stanford University. We would all go to lunch at a great little hamburger place nearby. On Wednesdays they had "special" Parisian burgers for 38 cents. Regular hamburgers were 50 cents. One day we went there and it was closed. There was police tape around the building. The next morning there was a front page article about the fact that the owner was using 25% lab rat meat in the burgers. He claimed they were the control rats. Sure. I have always wondered what in the hell chemicals we ate. Oh well. The burgers were great and I'm still above ground.
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Chinese restaurant in nearby town. Always good food. Health department inspection one day revealed several "unknown animals" in freezer. Owner said "personal use." Still good food and good business. That damned video Doc1 posted a while back about killed any respect I had for Chinese people in general and I had a lot if respect for them. (Note past tense)
 
LoupGarou

LoupGarou

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Texican said:
Isaiah 24:6 Therefore a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt. Therefore earth's inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left.

Just how many times have pandemics swept across the world????

Will this pandemic result in nuclear weapons wiping out humanity until only a few are left????

Texican....
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Or just the use of millions of chinese incinerators...

Loup
 
Jubilee on Earth

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marsh said:
So:

(1) Only 4 states have the capacity for testing, everything else has to go back to the CDC
(2) The tests have unreliable results
(3) The CDC has persisted with its narrow guidance that only people who have been to China or have come in close contact with someone who has been to China may be tested for the virus - regardless of the proliferation of the disease in Japan, Singapore, Korea and other parts of Asia Europe and now the Middle East.
(4) According to Chris Martenson, only 400 some people have been tested so far in the US.
(5) Reports by medical personnel and First Responders are that they have been given no protocols, training or protective gear to handle a case. Some medical professionals are now saying that when this gets bad, they will not report for work.

Does ANYONE have any faith left in the competency of HHS/CDC at this point? This appears to be a giant cluster *uck that will end up killing far more people than could have occurred with a more aggressive and transparent approach.

If I were a Senator, I would demand that the scheduled hearing be open for public viewing and I would ream these people a new one. I don't care whose Administration they are part of.
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I listened to Chris Martenson’s latest podcast, and he’s clearly as frustrated and stupefied as the rest of us are. It’s mind boggling, but as he said, you can’t have confirmed cases if you aren’t testing for them.
 
Tristan

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Troke said:
Birthday party this weekend for DW. Six of the nine kids, several inlaws and some grown grand children who are out of the nest. (Metaphor there).

Ran the Chinese Plague up the flagpole (Metaphor there)

Nobody saluted.

IBM type did say they were being greatly hampered by lack of production in China.

Another knew of a major international tech conference in Las Vegas that got cancelled at a cost to somebody of maybe a million bucks considering the several venues leased around town and the several major hotels ditto..

I have been forwarding good stuff from this thread with no apparent result.

DW and I have been busily ramping up our prep supplies but nobody else is.
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Prepping isn't for everyone, apparently.
 
Tristan

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ktrapper said:
Concerning Cytokine Storms.

I posted a video in the unexplained section, in reference to the Alta reports. I left it there instead of posting it here because there is mention of some webbot woo in the video but the main premise of the video is how to quell a cytokine storm. It’s from Feb 5th. Vitamin B-6 is the answer in that video. Clif is reading from some med technical information it appears. I couldn’t really tell from my phone. It’s worth watching in my opinion.
It’s slow to start so just wait for it.
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Did you post as an original thread, or on another thread?
 
EMICT

EMICT

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Sweetwood said:
But why the secrecy about it? We all know their’s a virus.
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Because, up to this point in time, there is absolutely NOTHING the CDC, WHO, or anyone else can do to mitigate the outcome other than ride it out and hope for the best. The Emperor and the bureaucratic lackeys do not want to be seen naked, even though they are, regarding this pandemic.

A plan has to have a predicated positive outcome... that's why there is no plan because there really isn't any mitigation that will work.
 
Intestinal Fortitude

Intestinal Fortitude

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:popcorn1:https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2020/02/24/mission-impossible-vii-delays-italy-filming-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak/
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‘Mission: Impossible VII’ Delays Italy Filming Due to Coronavirus Outbreak
Paramount Pictures.
Paramount Pictures.Ben Kew24 Feb 20207
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Shooting for the latest installment of the Mission Impossible series has been suspended amid the worsening coronavirus outbreak in Italy, The Hollywood Reporter revealed on Monday.

Filming, which was scheduled to take place in Venice, has been suspended largely as a response to the outbreak in Italy, where at least 150 cases of the coronavirus have already been confirmed, causing at least six fatalities.

“Out of an abundance of caution for the safety and well-being of our cast and crew, and efforts of the local Venetian government to halt public gatherings in response to the threat of coronavirus, we are altering the production plan for our three-week shoot in Venice, the scheduled first leg of an extensive production for Mission: Impossible 7,” a spokesperson for Paramount Pictures told The Hollywood Reporter in a statement.

“During this hiatus we want to be mindful of the concerns of the crew and are allowing them to return home until production starts,” the spokesperson continued. “We will continue to monitor this situation, and work alongside health and government officials as it evolves.”

Cruise, who had not yet traveled to Italy for the shoot, will once again reprise his role as IMF agent Ethan Hunt alongside the likes of Rebecca Ferguson, Nicholas Hoult, Hayley Atwell, Shea Whigham, Pom Klementieff, and Henry Czerny.
Mission: Impossible is not the only Paramount film impacted by the coronavirus outbreak, which remains an international health emergency as classified by the World Health Organization. On Monday, the studio also announced the postponement of Sonic the Hedgehog from release in China because of the widespread shutdown of movie theaters across the mainland.

“As the whole country and world unite together to fight the outbreak of coronavirus, we would like to express our gratitude and respect to all the medical staff, the rescue personnel, and people in service who provide us with much-needed assistance and support during this time,” the studio said in a statement.

As of Monday afternoon, there were approximately 80,000 cases confirmed worldwide, the vast majority of which are on the Chinese mainland. At least 2,500 have died, while around 25,000 people have made a full recovery.

The latest Mission: Impossible film will be released July 23rd, 2021, while the eighth installment is currently scheduled in August 2022.

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Rename it to:

MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: DOCTOR NO'S REVENGE
 
Tom McDowell

Tom McDowell

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COVID-19: 188 Indonesians from World Dream cruise ship to be quarantined on uninhabited island

Budi Sutrisno
The Jakarta Post
Jakarta / Tue, February 25, 2020 / 06:25 am

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A passenger wearing a facemask looks out from the cabin of the World Dream cruise ship at the Kai Tak cruise terminal in Hong Kong on Feb. 5. (AFP/Philip FONG )

Indonesia plans to evacuate 188 citizens working as crew members aboard the World Dream cruise ship to an island off Java amid concerns over the coronavirus, the government has said.

Coordinating Human Development and Culture Minister Muhadjir Effendy confirmed the repatriation plan on Monday following a meeting with President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo and Health Minister Terawan Agus Putranto at the State Palace.
He said the Dr. Soeharso naval hospital ship had headed to the sea off Riau Island on Sunday to pick up the Indonesians abroad the ship, which had anchored in international waters near the province’s Bintan Island to facilitate the transfer of the crew members.

Muhadjir said all of the Indonesian evacuees would be brought to Sebaru Island, which is part of the Thousand Islands regency in Jakarta, for observation.

“Sebaru is an […] uninhabited island,” Muhadjir said. “We consider it safe, because there are no inhabitants on the island and it has good facilities that we can just utilize.”

The World Dream has suspended its operations after docking in Hong Kong earlier this month, where it had spent days in quarantine at Kai Tak Cruise terminal after three Chinese nationals who had been onboard the ship between Jan. 19 and 24 tested positive for the virus, Reuters reported.

The ship’s 1,800 passengers had disembarked in Hong Kong on Feb. 9, leaving onboard some 1,814 crew members, including Indonesians, according to World Dream’s operator Dream Cruises.

Michael Goh, the Dream Cruises’ president, said that Hong Kong authorities had confirmed that all passengers and crew who sailed on the last voyage had gone through extensive health examinations, including body temperature checks.

All samples taken from the 1,814 crew members were negative of coronavirus and all passengers who had left the ship after the last trip had showed no symptoms associated with COVID-19 infection, Goh said in a statement as quoted by Antara.
He said Dream Cruises was working closely with local and regional authorities to facilitate the transfer and return of crew members given the diversity of their nationalities.

The repatriation of citizens aboard the World Dream came as the government planned the evacuation of dozens of Indonesian crew members of coronavirus-stricken Diamond Princess, who were still reported healthy after being quarantined with the ship for two weeks.

At least nine of 78 Indonesian crew members on the cruise ship tested positive for coronavirus alongside some 600 other infected people who had boarded the vessel.

Minister Terawan, however, said that in the meantime the government would focus on evacuating Indonesian citizens of the World Dream.

“We now concentrate on the World Dream, because that is the closest to us. This has the smallest risk. We always take the smallest risk first and we will manage to provide good quarantine facilities,” Terawan said.

Terawan said the government had decided to conduct the evacuation by sea in order to anticipate the spread of the virus if any was found.

“This medical aspect must be considered well, not emotionally. It must be one at a time, for the safety of the country since we are still in the green zone,” he added.

Indonesia has yet to confirm any coronavirus cases in the country to date. The far-flung virus, which has spread to some 30 countries, has killed more than 2,500 people in China and infected more than 77,000 worldwide.

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COVID-19: 188 Indonesians from World Dream cruise ship to be quarantined on uninhabited island - National - The Jakarta Post

Indonesia plans to evacuate 188 citizens working as crew members aboard the World Dream cruise ship to an island off Java amid concerns over the coronavirus, the government has said.
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Troke said:
Birthday party this weekend for DW. Six of the nine kids, several inlaws and some grown grand children who are out of the nest. (Metaphor there).

Ran the Chinese Plague up the flagpole (Metaphor there)

Nobody saluted.

IBM type did say they were being greatly hampered by lack of production in China.

Another knew of a major international tech conference in Las Vegas that got cancelled at a cost to somebody of maybe a million bucks considering the several venues leased around town and the several major hotels ditto..

I have been forwarding good stuff from this thread with no apparent result.

DW and I have been busily ramping up our prep supplies but nobody else is.
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Since it looks like there'll be a party despite your worries Troke, party like it's 1999! Even without the coronavirus, one never knows from day to day what the future will bring. Enjoy the gathering of family. It's something special. May it be joyous and everyone remains healthy.
 
Tarryn

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Supply chain troubles coming...

P&G warns 17,600 products possibly hit by coronavirus

P&G warns 17,600 products possibly hit by coronavirus
posted by Andrew Allen
in Procurement
21 February 2020
Consumer goods giant Procter & Gamble has warned around 17,600 products could be affected by the coronavirus.
P&G’s CFO Jon Moeller, speaking at the Consumer Analyst Group of New York conference in the US, said P&G used 387 suppliers across China, shipping more than 9,000 materials.

“Each of these suppliers faces their own challenges in resuming operations,” he said.
Smartphones and cars are among the consumer products most affected by the outbreak, according to TrendForce.
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TrendForce said forecasts for product shipments from China for the first quarter of 2020 had been slashed, by 16% for smartwatches (to 12.1m units), 12.3% for notebooks (30.7m units) and 10.4% for smartphones (275m units). Cars have dropped 8.1% (19.3m units).
“The outbreak has made a relatively high impact on the smartphone industry because the smartphone supply chain is highly labor-intensive,” said a report.
TrendForce said forecasts for product shipments from China for the first quarter of 2020 had been slashed, by 16% for smartwatches (to 12.1m units), 12.3% for notebooks (30.7m units) and 10.4% for smartphones (275m units). Cars have dropped 8.1% (19.3m units).

“The outbreak has made a relatively high impact on the smartphone industry because the smartphone supply chain is highly labor-intensive,” said a report.

It added: “Although automakers can compensate for material shortage through overseas factories, the process of capacity expansion and shipping of goods is still expected to create gaps in the overall manufacturing process.”

TrendForce expects the global auto market to suffer a 14% decline year-on-year in the first quarter of 2020, which it described as “largest decline in recent years”.

Analysts Mintec said the virus was “swamping” markets with uncertainty.

In a report, it predicted coronavirus would have a worse impact on the global economy than the SARS outbreak in 2003.

It predicts Chinese demand for copper (it has hitherto been responsible for consuming half the world’s output), will fall by 500,000 tonnes this year, and falls in demand have already impacted prices. From December to January the price of copper fell 9.6%.

Chinese demand for crude oil is already down by 20%. Before the outbreak China consumed 13% of global oil output.

Mintec said: “Millions of people have been affected by the travel lockdown in Hubei province, the centre of the outbreak. This has been responsible for a glut of jet fuel and diesel on global markets at a time when petroleum supplies were already abundant.”

Mintec said the price of crude oil fell 15% month-on-month at the end of January, hitting its lowest level since December 2018.

Other products affected include pork – the price has rocketed 167% year-on-year and 11% month-on-month to the first week of February – and chicken, where ships carrying it from the US to mainland China are being diverted to ports in Hong Kong, South Korea, Taiwan and Vietnam.

Supplies of garlic are also under threat (China commands 80% of the export market), along with dried ginger – prices delivered to the US have grown by 26% quarter-on-quarter.

Not surprisingly, investors are flocking to the safe-haven commodity, gold. By mid-February, prices were already 7% higher compared to December.
 
ainitfunny

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Virtualco said:
This was Sam's club on Saturday. 50# white rice on right, 25# rice on left. I did not see any other pallets of this rice in the store. SW Florida
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I just discovered my "DGI" helpers "straightening out my house"for me to come home from inpatient rehab threw away ALL my raw rice "because it was old". I have no idea what else went because they "reorganized everything". I cant find anything.
 
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