CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

Zahra

Veteran Member
Among the stockup items you should include paper and plastic ware.Paper plates, bowls, towels, napkins, etc. and plastic forks, spoons, knives. Will add to trash load but will save on soap, water, and perhaps a bad dose of the green apple quick trots due to unclean eating ware or leftover soap on half cleaned dishes.


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** subscribe to 2 packs (960 plates) and it gives you $15 off at checkout - so your total comes to $27.52-$32.52 shipped)
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment

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Coronavirus live updates: CDC warns Americans of 'significant disruption'
Top health officials are asking Americans to prepare for COVID-19.
By
Morgan Winsor
,
Erin Schumaker
and
Marc Nathanson
February 25, 2020, 11:37 AM
16 min read
Coronavirus could turn into global pandemic, officials say


Coronavirus could turn into global pandemic, officials say Cases in Italy have jumped to over 200 and the Trump administration asked Congress for $2.5 billion to help fight the outbreak as the CDC issued new travel warnings to avoid non-essential travel.Tomohiro Ohsumi/Getty Images

U.S. health officials issued a strong warning about novel coronavirus on Tuesday -- that it's no longer a matter of if, but when it will spread in the U.S., and that Americans should prepare for a "significant disruption."

Until now, health officials said they'd hoped to prevent community spread in the U.S. But following community transmissions in Italy, Iran and South Korea, health officials believe the virus may not be able to be contained at the border.

This comes in contrast to statements from the Trump administration. Acting DHS Secretary Chad Wolf said on Tuesday the threat to the U.S. from coronavirus "remains low," despite the White House seeking $1.25 billion in emergency funding to combat the virus.

"Ultimately, we expect we will see community spread in this country," Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said Tuesday at a news conference.

Messonnier added that Americans should channel their concern about the virus, officially called COVID-19, into preparing for its arrival.
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A tweet by U.S. President Donald Trump regarding the novel coronavirus outbreak is seen on a Chinese television station inside a restaurant in the Chinatown section of San Francisco, California, Feb. 24, 2020.Shannon Stapleton/Reuters

Americans should continue to practice protective measures -- hand-washing, staying home from work when sick -- while local officials should make sure systems are in place -- teleschooling, working remotely -- should face-to-face interactions need to be reduced. Health care facilities should be prepared to increase telehealth systems and delay elective surgeries should the need arise.

Messonnier noted that every community's response will be different. What's appropriate for a community with local transmission may not be appropriate for a community in which no local transmissions has occurred.

So far there has been no community spread in the United States.
Forty-three people repatriated on charter flights from Wuhan, China, or from the Diamond Princess cruise ship have tested positive for COVID-19, and 14 cases have been detected in the U.S. via the country's health system. Among those 57 cases, only two involved human transmission in the United States, and those transmissions were among members of the same household.

If the White House's request for funds is improved, the $1.25 billion will be earmarked for accelerated vaccine development, the procurement of equipment and supplies and to support preparedness and response activities, according to the White House Office of Management and Budget.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called the request "long overdue and completely inadequate to the scale of this emergency." She also accused President Donald Trump of leaving "critical positions in charge of managing pandemics at the National Security Council and the Department of Homeland Security vacant."
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A tourist wears stickers on her back to identify herself as Taiwanese and not Chinese in Milan, as Italy deals with an outbreak of COVID-19, Feb. 25, 2020.Yara Nardi/Reuters

"The president's most recent budget called for slashing funding for the Centers for Disease Control, which is on the front lines of this emergency. And now, he is compounding our vulnerabilities by seeking to ransack funds still needed to keep Ebola in check," Pelosi said in a statement Tuesday morning. "Our state and local governments need serious funding to be ready to respond effectively to any outbreak in the U.S. The president should not be raiding money that Congress has appropriated for other life-or-death public health priorities."

She added that lawmakers in the House of Representatives "will swiftly advance a strong, strategic funding package that fully addresses the scale and seriousness of this public health crisis."

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer also called the Trump administration's request "too little too late."

"That President Trump is trying to steal funds dedicated to fight Ebola -- which is still considered an epidemic in the Democratic Republic of the Congo -- is indicative of his towering incompetence and further proof that he and his administration aren't taking the coronavirus crisis as seriously as they need to be," Schumer said in a statement.
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Mary Cahill, left, leaves a news conference where officials discussed the proposal for housing coronavirus patients at the Fairview Development Center in Costa Mesa, Calif on Feb. 22, 2020. A Federal judge extended a restraining order stopping the U.S. government from moving forward with the plan on Feb. 24.Mindy Schauer/AP

At the same time, Bruce Aylward, an epidemiologist who led a team of international experts in China, said that the epidemic is slowing in China.
In addition to a falling rate of new infections, hospital beds are opening up and there's no wait for tests at fever clinics, Aylward explained. It's impossible to know if this trend of decreasing cases will continue, but for now, Aylward thinks China's response to the outbreak, which included rapidly building hospitals and imposing strict lockdown measures in cities hardest hit by the virus, is working.
"The implications are that you can actually effect the course of this disease, but it takes a very aggressive and tough program," Aylward said at a WHO news briefing in Geneva on Tuesday.

An additional 121 confirmed infections have been reported in the special administrative regions of Hong Kong and Macao as well as Taiwan, with two deaths in Hong Kong and one in Taiwan, according to China's National Health Commission.

WHO experts in China are currently reporting a 2% to 4% fatality rate in Wuhan and a 0.7% fatality rate outside the city. For mild cases of the disease, there's a roughly two-week recovery rate, and for more severe cases, the recovery rate is between three and six weeks.

COVID-19 causes symptoms similar to pneumonia, ranging from the mild, such as a slight cough, to the more severe, including fever and difficulty breathing, according to the CDC. There is no vaccine yet for the virus.
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This photo taken on Feb. 24, 2020, shows medical staff treating patients infected by the novel coronavirus at a hospital in Wuhan in China's central Hubei province. The newly discovered virus has peaked in China but could still grow into a pandemic, the World Health Organization warned, as infections mushroom in other countries.Str/AFP via Getty Images

The outbreak of the new coronavirus has continued to spread overseas, with at least 2,069 confirmed cases in at least 33 other countries, resulting in at least 33 fatalities, according to the latest data from the WHO, which has declared the epidemic a global health emergency.

Although the virus "absolutely" has the potential to become a pandemic, WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said it's still too soon to classify it that way.

"For the moment, we are not witnessing the uncontained global spread of this virus and we are not witnessing large-scale severe disease or deaths," he told reporters at a press conference in Geneva on Monday. "Does this virus have pandemic potential? Absolutely it has. Are we there yet from our assessment? Not yet."

South Korea reported another surge in new infections overnight, making it the second-highest national total behind China. As of Tuesday, South Korea's Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has recorded 977 confirmed cases and nine deaths.

The recent spike in cases prompted the CDC to issue a warning on Monday advising Americans to avoid traveling to South Korea. The federal agency raised its travel warning to the highest level for those contemplating travel to the East Asian nation.
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Railway workers wearing protective gear spray disinfectant, as part of preventive measures against the spread of the novel coronavirus, at a railway station in Seoul, South Korea, on February 25, 2020. The novel coronavirus outbreak in South Korea is "very grave", President Moon Jae-in said on Feb. 25 as he visited its epicenter and the country's total number of cases approached 1,000.-/YONHAP/AFP via Getty Images

The heightened warning came on the same day that officials said a relative of a U.S. service member in South Korea had been diagnosed with the novel coronavirus. In a press release, U.S. Forces Korea announced that it had been informed by South Korea's Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that a military dependent living in Daegu had tested positive for COVID-19.

It's the first time a U.S. Forces Korea-related individual has been infected with the virus, according to the press release.

South Korean Defense Minister Jeong Kyeong-doo said as of Monday there were 13 South Korean military personnel infected.

Partly as a result, U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper said Monday that the United States and South Korea were considering scaling back an upcoming joint military command exercise.
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American citizens arrive by bus from the quarantined Diamond Princess cruise ship to Haneda airport on Feb. 17, 2020 in Tokyo to be repatriated to the U.S. The U.S. became the first country to repatriate citizens on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, while it remained quarantined in Yokohama Port, after at least 355 passengers and crew onboard tested positive for the COVID-19 virus.Tomohiro Ohsumi/Getty Images

Japan has the third-highest national total, when including the nearly 700 cases diagnosed aboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship.

The cruise ship has been quarantined at Yokohama port since Feb. 5 and 695 people on board have tested positive for COVID-19. Three passengers have died, all of whom were Japanese nationals and in their 80s, according to Japan's Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare.

All those who have been infected were brought ashore for treatment, while the rest were confined to their rooms until the quarantine period ends. Passengers who have tested negative for the virus have been disembarking the ship since last Wednesday.
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A person wearing a face mask walks out of an entrance gate to the Codogno Civic Hospital, where the emergency room was closed as a precautionary measure, in Codogno, near Lodi, northern Italy on Feb. 21 2020. Officials reported 14 confirmed cases in the Lombardy region and two in the Veneto region.MAURIZIO MAULE/EPA-EFE/REX

Clusters of coronavirus cases in Italy and Iran have raised concerns of the global spread of the outbreak.

As of Tuesday, Italy's Ministry of Health had recorded 322 confirmed cases and 10 fatalities. The majority of those cases were in the northern Lombardy region, prompting some towns to suspend public gatherings, demonstrations and sporting events and to close schools, businesses and restaurants.

The initial cases in Italy were linked to Chinese tourists, according to the health ministry.

Switzerland and Austria, which border northern Italy, reported their first COVID-19 cases Tuesday.

At least 95 cases have been confirmed in Iran, along with 15 deaths, the country's state-run news agency reported.

Schools were closed across the country on Tuesday for a second day, and health workers have begun a daily sanitizing of public buses and the Tehran metro.
Among those infected is Iran's deputy health minister, Iraj Harirchi, who is head of the national headquarters tasked with containing the coronavirus outbreak. He had strongly opposed suggestions to quarantine the hard-hit city of Qom.
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Iranian workers disinfect the Shrine of Fatima Masumeh in Qom, Iran, on February 25, 2020, to prevent the spread of the novel coronavirus which has reached the country.Mehdi Marizad/FARS NEWS AGENCY/AFP via Getty Images
Meanwhile, a tourist hotel on the island of Tenerife in Spain's Canary Islands has been placed under quarantine after an Italian guest tested positive for COVID-19. The guest, a doctor from Italty's virus-hit Lombardy region, went to a local hospital on Monday and was placed in isolation along with his wife, who tested negative for the disease, public health officials for the Canary Islands told ABC News.

Around 1,000 guests staying at the Costa Adeje Palace hotel have been confined to their rooms while health workers test everyone for the virus on Tuesday. All samples will be sent to Madrid for testing, officials told ABC News.
So far, Spain has two confirmed cases of the novel coronavirus, according to the WHO.
ABC News' Elizabeth McLaughlin, Aicha El-Hammar, Somayeh Malekian and Christine Theodorou contributed to this report.
 

hummer

Veteran Member
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My sister who believes everything the MSM feeds her just called in a panic saying she heard on the news that this coronovirus thing was really bad and everyone should stock up and she was going to the grocery store right this very minute to buy some tins of tuna! Then she said I guess I need some other stuff too?

She finished by telling me to text her a list of everything she needed to buy
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A couple years back before my partner passed, and I moved to my kids property, we had chosen a sustainable life in the woods...large garden, fruit bushes, apple trees, etc. canned and froze lots. I hunted deer, grouse...fished. Anyway, and this is my point...:)...my sister and brother in law visited from the cities. We had built a large pantry in the basement, and it was well filled with OUR efforts. My brother in law meandered to the basement and found our pantry, even though it had a closed door. He proceeded to come up stairs, tell my sister all about everything in the pantry, and told us they would be coming to our house if things got bad...they and kids and grandkids. I heard the same statement from him the other day over the phone...even though I have much less now then we did then. It frustrates me to think they are of that part of society that thinks what is mine is yours! Anyway, I know lots of society is like that, it just ticked me off to hear the same thing coming from him, after all the "education" and help I have imparted to them over the years. I totally understand your head banging. LOL.
 
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marsh

On TB every waking moment

CDC expects ‘community spread’ of coronavirus, as top official warns disruptions could be ‘severe’
By MEGAN THIELKING @meggophone and HELEN BRANSWELL @HelenBranswell
FEBRUARY 25, 2020
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Workers in protective suits spray disinfectant as a precaution against the novel coronavirus in Seoul.LEE JIN-MAN/AP
  • The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Tuesday warned that it expects the novel coronavirus that has sparked outbreaks around the world to begin spreading at a community level in the United States, as a top official said that disruptions to daily life could be “severe.”
“As we’ve seen from recent countries with community spread, when it has hit those countries, it has moved quite rapidly. We want to make sure the American public is prepared,” Nancy Messonnier, director of CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, told reporters.

“As more and more countries experience community spread, successful containment at our borders becomes harder and harder,” she said.

There have been 14 cases of the virus diagnosed in the U.S., all in people who traveled recently to China or their close contacts. Another 39 U.S. residents have been infected in other parts of the world before being repatriated and quarantined. But CDC officials say the country could soon see more cases as the virus starts to spread through communities in areas outside China, including Iran, South Korea, and Italy.

The CDC urged American businesses and families to start preparing for the possibility of a bigger outbreak. Messonnier said that parents should ask their children’s schools about plans for closures. Businesses should consider whether they can offer telecommuting options to their employees, while hospitals might need to look into expanding telehealth services, she said.

“Disruption to everyday life might be severe,” Messonnier said, adding that she talked to her children about the issue Tuesday morning. “While I didn’t think they were at risk right now, we as a family ought to be preparing for significant disruption to our lives.”

The CDC’s messaging seemed to be at odds with the position of the World Health Organization, which reiterated Tuesday that countries could stop transmission chains if they acted swiftly and aggressively.

A new type of coronavirus is responsible for the outbreak of respiratory illnesses that began in Wuhan, China in December 2019. While experts are still unclear how exactly these viruses are transmitted, coronaviruses such as those that caused the SARS and MERS outbreaks in years past offer clues.

Bruce Aylward, a senior WHO official who led a recent international mission to China to see how that country had dealt with Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, said the lesson from China was that the impact of the new virus can be dramatically curtailed. But countries have to be prepared to wage a full-on assault, he insisted.

“Think it’s going to be there tomorrow,” Aylward said during a briefing for journalists at WHO headquarters in Geneva. “The thing you’ve got to think is: If it hits us, we’re going to stop it. You have to think that way. I keep hearing, ‘Oh, if it hits us we just have to accept it and it’s going to spread.’ Why? You’ve lost before you’ve started.”

Messonnier said the CDC is evaluating data on measures that could be used to stem the spread of the virus, including school closures and other social distancing strategies, voluntary home quarantines, and surface cleaning methods. The CDC is using data from past flu outbreaks to study those strategies, but will tailor its recommendations for the new virus.

In a press briefing Tuesday afternoon, other top health officials pushed back on the perception that the public needs to take direct action now to prepare for community spread of the virus. They also doubled down on the message that the U.S. has successfully contained the spread of the virus thus far.

“Our efforts at containment so far have worked,” said Anne Schuchat, the CDC’s principal deputy director. At the same time, Schuchat said, “we don’t want to delay thinking about these other possibilities.”

Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said the government is committed to “radical transparency” in keeping the public informed about its response and preparedness planning. Messonnier, he said, was “just previewing for the American people” the strategies that health officials have in their toolbox as additional cases appear.

“Transparency is being candid with people about what the continuum of potential steps are, so they can … start thinking about, in their own lives, what that might involve. Might. Might involve,” Azar said.

“We cannot make predictions with any degree of certainty about how a virus will spread or what will happen,” he added.

Messonnier said the CDC is also in conversation about whether to change the case definition that triggers a sick patient to be tested for the virus. Currently, health officials recommend testing only for people who have respiratory symptoms and have recently traveled to China, or those who have been in close contact with someone who was infected. But as community spread picks up in other countries, the case definition could change.
 

Allotrope

Inactive
Will this weekend be the start of "the great panic of 2020". People go ballistic if Netflix is down for 10 minutes, how will they react to a real problem? Here, humor suffices many times. In the outside world, not so much. If a few celebrities such as Rush or a major Hollywood star died in the chaos or of the disease, the times would get crazy.
 

helen

Panic Sex Lady
Containment-mitigation measures are AI-driven.

AI is not human. Remember that.

Be human and humane and American. I'm not saying hand all your stuff out to strangers. Just hold your head up and don't be afraid. Shit happens.

They blindfold horses to lead them out of a fire. Be calm and thoughtful or AI may blindfold you. No shit.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
When I heard last week that raw chip prices in this country were already going up, I decided to take action. Sunday night at Best Buy, I bought a new 14' Lenovo laptop with an I5 chip of the newest generation, 8G RAM and 256G solid state drive on sale for $650. No woke sheep in the store, normal Traffic, store was full of stuff. And there was nothing coming out of the sales staff like, "Hey, this is the last one".

Keep in mind that I am in competition with 7.5 million of my best buddies here in Dallas for these things. And I was able to buy it at a sale price still. The window is certainly closing soon, but this week you should probably be able to buy Tech gear at Best Buy if you want it.

FYI, They had 4 samples of the Microsoft surface 13" laptop on display paired specked out identically to the one I got, it was $999. I asked if there was really any difference between the 2 and they said not much, just that everything is wired a little more solidly in the Surface and there's no bloatware on it.

My computer crashed hard on Friday... No coming back from this one. So, I set out for Best Buy with my son. Wasn't really planning on this expense so I didn't want to spend and outrageous amount of cash. I did not want to go over $700 as I had to put it on a credit card ( my son is enrolled in the school's learn from home program, so he needs a computer to attend classes and, well... I need my TB2K ).

Went to the store and we drooled over the AlienWare towers but then settled on a nice gaming system that was on sale for $599... I thought that was a real steal so I wanted to make sure of the price before getting my boy all excited. The clerk scanned the barcode on the display and it came up as $599 so I purchased it. He said the only one left in the store was in the back and he went to get it.

When we got home, I was very surprised to find that he had given me the wrong computer. I ended up with this one ( which was priced at $849)...

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Windows 10 operating system
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9th Gen Intel® Core™ i5-9400F processor
Smart six-core, six-way processing performance.
8GB system memory for advanced multitasking
Substantial high-bandwidth RAM to smoothly run your games and photo- and video-editing applications, as well as multiple programs and browser tabs all at once.
1TB hard drive and 240GB solid state drive (SSD) for a blend of storage space and speed
The hard drive provides ample storage, while the SSD delivers faster start-up times and data access.
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 graphics
Driven by 6GB dedicated video memory to quickly render high-quality images for videos and games.
6 USB 3.0 ports maximize the latest high-speed devices
The USB 3.0 ports are backward-compatible with USB 2.0 devices (at 2.0 speeds).


So... Well worth the trip!
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
A couple years back before my partner passed, and I moved to my kids property, we had chosen a sustainable life in the woods...large garden, fruit bushes, apple trees, etc. canned and froze lots. I hunted deer, grouse...fished. Anyway, and this is my point...:)...my sister and brother in law visited from the cities. We had built a large pantry in the basement, and it was well filled with our efforts. My brother in law meandered to the basement and found our pantry, even though it had a closed door. He proceeded to come up stairs, tell my sister all about everything in the pantry, and told us they would be coming to our house if things got bad...they and kids and grandkids. I heard the same statement from him the other day over the phone...even though I have much less now then we did then. It frustrates me to think they are of that part of society that thinks what is mine is yours! Anyway, I know lots of society is like that, it just ticked me off to hear the same thing coming from him, after all the "education" and help I have imparted to them over the years. I totally understand your head banging. LOL.

Well I am going to pick up 50 pounds of rice, dry beans and some sugar for her and if they come calling that is what they get. They are adults and they made their decisions on what to get or not so I'm fine with it.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Well, I did one big ticket item of a new a Honda generator for 2.2K which will replace my Yamaha inverter generator which will go for backup and depending what happens tomorrow I might add a few more solar panels as well as replacing my solar battery bank which will break the bank. I don’t like where this is going right now. Even if we get a handle on the virus it’s going to bring the system down. Better to have and not need than need and not have!
 

Ping Jockey

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A couple years back before my partner passed, and I moved to my kids property, we had chosen a sustainable life in the woods...large garden, fruit bushes, apple trees, etc. canned and froze lots. I hunted deer, grouse...fished. Anyway, and this is my point...:)...my sister and brother in law visited from the cities. We had built a large pantry in the basement, and it was well filled with our efforts. My brother in law meandered to the basement and found our pantry, even though it had a closed door. He proceeded to come up stairs, tell my sister all about everything in the pantry, and told us they would be coming to our house if things got bad...they and kids and grandkids. I heard the same statement from him the other day over the phone...even though I have much less now then we did then. It frustrates me to think they are of that part of society that thinks what is mine is yours! Anyway, I know lots of society is like that, it just ticked me off to hear the same thing coming from him, after all the "education" and help I have imparted to them over the years. I totally understand your head banging. LOL.
I had several folks at work mention the very same thing to me. Even though I have not ever discussed with anyone at work what I have or don’t have they’ve made it known they’ll be over if things got bad.
I’ve told them all they’ll not hear my reply when they come knocking. Never gets brought up again.
 

ktrapper

Veteran Member
A couple years back before my partner passed, and I moved to my kids property, we had chosen a sustainable life in the woods...large garden, fruit bushes, apple trees, etc. canned and froze lots. I hunted deer, grouse...fished. Anyway, and this is my point...:)...my sister and brother in law visited from the cities. We had built a large pantry in the basement, and it was well filled with our efforts. My brother in law meandered to the basement and found our pantry, even though it had a closed door. He proceeded to come up stairs, tell my sister all about everything in the pantry, and told us they would be coming to our house if things got bad...they and kids and grandkids. I heard the same statement from him the other day over the phone...even though I have much less now then we did then. It frustrates me to think they are of that part of society that thinks what is mine is yours! Anyway, I know lots of society is like that, it just ticked me off to hear the same thing coming from him, after all the "education" and help I have imparted to them over the years. I totally understand your head banging. LOL.
People like that piss me the heck off, especially after I have forwarned them.
We don’t tell anybody anything anymore.
Year after year I have proved right, my thinking, and preparedness to other members of the family only to be talked about behind my back as being, not normal, but when the crap hits their life, who gets called for a bail out.
Not this time. Stick a fork in me, I am done talking or trying to warn. None of them know what I have, even if they did, they couldn’t find it much less find where I live these days.
 

Border Collie Dad

Flat Earther
Julian's Rum
@JuliansRum


Here’s a chart of the Corona Virus mortality rate broken down by age group. The higher the age, the higher the death rate (go figure). 80+ year-olds still only have a 15% death rate. Cmon y’all. It’s the f**king flu.

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View: https://twitter.com/JuliansRum/status/1232426073411014657
Who amassed this info?
Outside of China, the sample size is too small on fatalities.
Inside China, there are no reliable figures.

Some pages back, it seems like I read that this affected the very young and the very old.
This contradicts that.
 

helen

Panic Sex Lady
I'm getting calls asking if this person or that family can come too, and all are welcome. We'll figure it out when they get here. If they make it. Big if. I doubt we got much lead time at all.
 

shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
A couple years back before my partner passed, and I moved to my kids property, we had chosen a sustainable life in the woods...large garden, fruit bushes, apple trees, etc. canned and froze lots. I hunted deer, grouse...fished. Anyway, and this is my point...:)...my sister and brother in law visited from the cities. We had built a large pantry in the basement, and it was well filled with our efforts. My brother in law meandered to the basement and found our pantry, even though it had a closed door. He proceeded to come up stairs, tell my sister all about everything in the pantry, and told us they would be coming to our house if things got bad...they and kids and grandkids. I heard the same statement from him the other day over the phone...even though I have much less now then we did then. It frustrates me to think they are of that part of society that thinks what is mine is yours! Anyway, I know lots of society is like that, it just ticked me off to hear the same thing coming from him, after all the "education" and help I have imparted to them over the years. I totally understand your head banging. LOL.
I've gotten that same 'threat' few times over last 20 yrs, too.

My comment back to them is that they won't be able to get
anywhere near our place at that time without the 'password'.
"The Password? What password, what are you talking about?"
Then, I'll hold my hands up to my mouth, like I'm yelling from
afar slowly; "I brought all my own food!" Then, I'll just smile
as it dawns on them we are not going to be open for them to
freeload off of. Some then said something like that it doesn't
sound very Christian, etc.. I respond that my lifeboat has only
enough room & supplies for my family. And, that I've already
done my Christian duty warning & urging you to also prep for
your family, too. If you don't, that's all on you now, and as for
my conscience, it's free & clear!

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
 
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skoaldiak

WWG1WGA
Who amassed this info?
Outside of China, the sample size is too small on fatalities.
Inside China, there are no reliable figures.

Some pages back, it seems like I read that this affected the very young and the very old.
This contradicts that.

Found it...


Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of COVID-19 Cases and Deaths
Last updated: February 23, 22:35 GMT

Age of Coronavirus Deaths
Based on all 72,314 cases of COVID-19 confirmed, suspected, and asymptomatic cases in China as of February 11, a paper by the Chinese CCDC released on February 17 and published in the Chinese Journal of Epidemiology [1] has found that the risk of death increases the older you are, as follows:

COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:
*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). This probability differs depending on the age group. The percentage shown below does NOT represent in any way the share of deaths by age group. Rather, it represents, for a person in a given age group, the risk of dying if infected with COVID-19.
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have two sisters who I love dearly. One of them is not clueless, but won't do anything about preps. I've been talking guns to her for decades and even gave her some basic training when she visited our homestead. After all these years, still not a single firearm in their home. I've talked food storage and preps for decades. Still no preps, but they have leased BMWs in the driveway. They are too far away for me to help in the event of an emergency.

Oh, well. It's sad, but not a thing to lose sleep over.

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Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
The Epoch Times - China Insider‏ @EpochTimesChina now30 seconds ago

#Moderna, a US-based drugmaker, has sent the 1st batch of an experimental #Vaccine against the #Coronavirus to federal researchers to use with humans.

Not buying it... I just don't see any way there is a vaccine for this unless it is akin to the current flu vaccine where it is just a "best guess"... It mutates too fast and the fact that Moderna sold off 550 million dollars worth of shares just a few weeks, ago... This just seems like an effort to capitalize on the fear by rushing out a test vaccine to be the first ones to do it. It worked, too as their shares jumped 16% since the news broke about the vaccine...
 

Ordinary Girl

Veteran Member
My daughter got an automated reminder call about a ob/gyn appointment she has tomorrow. It says “this in the university of Maryland women’s health office calling to confirm your appointment for tomorrow at 2:45. If you cannot make this appointment please call back to reschedule as soon as possible. Please be aware the Covid-19 virus is in the United States and anyone with flu-like symptoms should contact their Dr immediately”

We live on the eastern shore of Maryland. Easton to be more precise.
 

MountainBiker

Veteran Member
A couple years back before my partner passed, and I moved to my kids property, we had chosen a sustainable life in the woods...large garden, fruit bushes, apple trees, etc. canned and froze lots. I hunted deer, grouse...fished. Anyway, and this is my point...:)...my sister and brother in law visited from the cities. We had built a large pantry in the basement, and it was well filled with OUR efforts. My brother in law meandered to the basement and found our pantry, even though it had a closed door. He proceeded to come up stairs, tell my sister all about everything in the pantry, and told us they would be coming to our house if things got bad...they and kids and grandkids. I heard the same statement from him the other day over the phone...even though I have much less now then we did then. It frustrates me to think they are of that part of society that thinks what is mine is yours! Anyway, I know lots of society is like that, it just ticked me off to hear the same thing coming from him, after all the "education" and help I have imparted to them over the years. I totally understand your head banging. LOL.
Now may be the time to contact them and tell them that if they have any plans to come your way that these are the things they must bring with them, and then give them a reasonable list. They can go shopping and gather up what's needed now and need to be told that.
 

Squid

Veteran Member
The Dems must have got their talking points, blaming.... wait for it..... President Trump for not asking for either the right stuff or not enough or too late on the emergency appropriation request.

Probably tested a soundbite equating Trump and Corona Virus with Chernobyl. MS NBC CNN the NY Times they will all probably blathering the same soundbite, cause they are that freakin stupid and will use anything to win the next election.
Yep you demo’s are blaming US President for the virus that erupted in China. If he shutdowns travel he is over reacting and hurting allies, if he asks for Billions to fight its not enough and he is underreacting???. What a collective clownshow.
:jstr:
 

hummer

Veteran Member
People like that piss me the heck off, especially after I have forwarned them.
We don’t tell anybody anything anymore.
Year after year I have proved right, my thinking, and preparedness to other members of the family only to be talked about behind my back as being, not normal, but when the crap hits their life, who gets called for a bail out.
Not this time. Stick a fork in me, I am done talking or trying to warn. None of them know what I have, even if they did, they couldn’t find it much less find where I live these days.
My dad used to preach to us kids, way back in the 40's, sister and 2 brothers, to always have backup if at all possible, because SOMETHING was going to come along in our lives where we would need extra help...whether financial, illness, society problems, etc. They all prepared financially...I prepared with my labor and sweat. I will help all I can the folks I love. I know they will help if here. My kids and grandkids are very hard workers. I know I am taken care of if possible. Like you I just get pissed off with those who think I owe them something! But...I will always do what I can because that is who I am. Also,in my old age I have learned to be a little sneaky and selfish......LOLOLOLOLOL
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
He proceeded to come up stairs, tell my sister all about everything in the pantry, and told us they would be coming to our house if things got bad...they and kids and grandkids. I heard the same statement from him the other day over the phone...even though I have much less now then we did then. It frustrates me to think they are of that part of society that thinks what is mine is yours! Anyway, I know lots of society is like that, it just ticked me off to hear the same thing coming from him, after all the "education" and help I have imparted to them over the years. I totally understand your head banging. LOL.
Sounds just like my SIL. She's entitled and so liberal the only part of a chicken she'll eat is the left wing. Last time she said it I told her to get in she needed to come to the gate and shout the secret passwords: "We've brought our own food and ammo!". She knew I meant it. If looks could kill I'd be pushing up daisies.
 

Shooter

Veteran Member
A couple years back before my partner passed, and I moved to my kids property, we had chosen a sustainable life in the woods...large garden, fruit bushes, apple trees, etc. canned and froze lots. I hunted deer, grouse...fished. Anyway, and this is my point...:)...my sister and brother in law visited from the cities. We had built a large pantry in the basement, and it was well filled with OUR efforts. My brother in law meandered to the basement and found our pantry, even though it had a closed door. He proceeded to come up stairs, tell my sister all about everything in the pantry, and told us they would be coming to our house if things got bad...they and kids and grandkids. I heard the same statement from him the other day over the phone...even though I have much less now then we did then. It frustrates me to think they are of that part of society that thinks what is mine is yours! Anyway, I know lots of society is like that, it just ticked me off to hear the same thing coming from him, after all the "education" and help I have imparted to them over the years. I totally understand your head banging. LOL.

I get that from people to,,I tell them the buy in is 1,000 pounds of food per person, cause I cant feed you. PLUS, youll work your ass off cutting wood and in the garden/ if it does get really bad, im stringing barbed wire and posts across the driveway. mabye park a truck in the road where the culvert goes under the road. last will be the DANGER FLUE signs,
 

Border Collie Dad

Flat Earther
Found it...


Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of COVID-19 Cases and Deaths
Last updated: February 23, 22:35 GMT

Age of Coronavirus Deaths
Based on all 72,314 cases of COVID-19 confirmed, suspected, and asymptomatic cases in China as of February 11, a paper by the Chinese CCDC released on February 17 and published in the Chinese Journal of Epidemiology [1] has found that the risk of death increases the older you are, as follows:

COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:
*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). This probability differs depending on the age group. The percentage shown below does NOT represent in any way the share of deaths by age group. Rather, it represents, for a person in a given age group, the risk of dying if infected with COVID-19.

No disrespect meant, skoaldiak.
But if those are Chinese numbers it's more likely to be fiction than truth.
 

desertvet2

Veteran Member
A couple years back before my partner passed, and I moved to my kids property, we had chosen a sustainable life in the woods...large garden, fruit bushes, apple trees, etc. canned and froze lots. I hunted deer, grouse...fished. Anyway, and this is my point...:)...my sister and brother in law visited from the cities. We had built a large pantry in the basement, and it was well filled with OUR efforts. My brother in law meandered to the basement and found our pantry, even though it had a closed door. He proceeded to come up stairs, tell my sister all about everything in the pantry, and told us they would be coming to our house if things got bad...they and kids and grandkids. I heard the same statement from him the other day over the phone...even though I have much less now then we did then. It frustrates me to think they are of that part of society that thinks what is mine is yours! Anyway, I know lots of society is like that, it just ticked me off to hear the same thing coming from him, after all the "education" and help I have imparted to them over the years. I totally understand your head banging. LOL.
That one is REAL SIMPLE...ME AND MR .338 HAVE A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW. BFYTW
 
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