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you for real? What? uh? Confusion.
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you for real? What? uh? Confusion.
bw
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Sorry, you need way more than 50 posts before you can talk to Summerthyme that way. Newbies ... sheesh.
I figured out how to wake up the sheep.
Tell them coronavirus is exploding mens' testicles, then show them a printout of this:
ACE2 Expression in Kidney and Testis May Cause Kidney and Testis Damage After 2019-nCoV Infection
then walk away
Tell them coronavirus is exploding mens' testicles, then show them a printout of this:
ACE2 Expression in Kidney and Testis May Cause Kidney and Testis Damage After 2019-nCoV Infection
then walk away
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
No need. You are correct.
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
Sorry! I will try to do better.
20Gauge
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Clark Howard is now saying we do need to prepare for a slow down... he is calling it a growth recession.... growing economy with no jobs..(Obama Economy).
He is saying stock some cash and prepare for a possible short period of time of having no work / income.
Very level headed.
He is saying stock some cash and prepare for a possible short period of time of having no work / income.
Very level headed.
20Gauge
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She isn't wrong.....too many critical raw materials are made in China... things you would never realize are coming from there.
That's why I'm freeze drying oranges and powdering them, peelings and all (keep peels separate, use where orange zest is called for) They loose the bitter taste when freeze dried.
Tom McDowell
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Krayola
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^^ I do the above so that I do not lose my place. But there is also another important reason. If I am many pages behind, I will hit the reply and open in another tab (but don't actually post my reply yet) and let it sit there until I catch up on the thread. Many times, after I have caught up, I see that several other people have posted the same info/answered the same question, etc or maybe the conversation has just moved on and my reply really does not seem relevant/important anymore and then I delete it instead of filling the thread with a useless/redundant post. Something we should all think about to make it easier for all of us to keep up with all the hard-core news in this thread.
where do the precursers come from? Anyone can repackage from bulk and slap their label on it.
Place right up the road has made millions doing this, selling herbals. They get their bulk supplies shipped in from elsewhere (they don't grow the herbs) and blend, put in pill form and sell it with their labels
20Gauge
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Being in the way southeastern part of GA we still have some fruit on the trees and preps put away for the vitamin C.
Though I do like the lemon from the trees, I am not super happy with the kumquat tree fruit.... a little too much rind for my taste...It will work....
Mark D
Now running for Emperor.
Revised percentages for extra-strength Doom:
- 327 million citizens
- 50% catch it (being especially doomerish with that number) = 163,500,000 cases...
- 75% of the cases are mild to not noticed, leaves 25% with doctor visits or 40,875,000 patients...
- 2% of those patients succumb to Kung Flu = 817,500 deaths
- All of those cases will likely slow creep over the course of a few months UNLESS we lock-down the country.
- Yes, some people will die of non-COVID19 factors because the hospitals are overwhelmed
My numbers/calcs above, are worse than the numbers we are actually seeing outside of China. Time will tell, but even in my apocalyptic scenario, we don't end up with as many deaths as you laid out.
Yes, this bug is worse than the Flu. Yes, it will cause suffering and disruption. Yes, it will re-shape our political and social behavior a bit. It is not, however, going to be TEOTWAWKI.
danielboon
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EndGameWW3 Retweeted
Wars on the Brink (current focus coronavirus)
@WarsontheBrink
Now the worrying thing of Pakistan’s first patient of #coronavirus (not second one) Returned to Pakistan to #Iran on 20th Feb. Today is 26th, This means he got 6 days to spread the virus. This is ALARMING. Count the Places he visited, people he talked too, The Bus he travelled.
One point that I have made before is that it really isn't the mortality rate that is so concerning about this virus. Lets say for argument's sake that it is 5%. Our best estimate is that his thing has a 60-70% attack rate. In this coungry lets say we are better off and go with half that--35%.
Thats 122 million infections. Overall consistent breakdown of case loads has been that 15-20% will need inpatient medical care of some form. Lets say that due to better hygeine, vaccinations, education and diet we can cut that in half to say 10%. That is 12.2 million cases that will require hospitalization or more intensive management such as antibiotics, fluids, supplemental oxygen, etc. Of those 12.2 million cases, roughly 10-15% will require ICU care with mechanical ventilation or ECMO. Lets go with the lower number there of 10%. 1.22 million americans would need ventilators. The existing mortality of those on vent is around 67%. Wihout vent and in ARDS That number will go to, at a minimum, 80-90%.
There are between 900,000 and 1 million hospital beds in total in the United States. Of those, roughly 80,000 are ICU beds. There are roughly 65,000 mechanical ventilators in the US.
So, using those numbers what is the impact?
You have 1/3rd of the US missing work, missing mortgage and car payements, and clogging up health care systems. 12 million of them will need intervention, be we only have beds for roughly 7-8%. Those who are not admitted will have to use oxygen at home (If it is available) and will be much more prone to infect others and experience seconary infections. The eventual rate of death of these will not be unsubstantial. Of those, 1.22 milion will need ventilators. Just short of 1 million of them will likely die because there are no ventilators available.
Why those numbers could be too optomistic:
1. The supply chain disruptions will seriously impact healthcare above and beyond the demands from Covid. Without medications, supplies, PPE the entire system will come to a stop. No surgeries, no chemotherapy, no heart medication, insulin, BP meds, etc. Not only will this cause their own, higher morbidity/mortality it will increase the attack rate and poor outcomes of those co-infected with Covid.
2. Economic problems have the potential to lead to food shortages, predatory lending, and unrest. Recent articles I have read were saying that 1/3rd of americans--regardless of income up to 200,000/year, run out of money before the end of the month. This would indicate that they have no savings/reserves and mandatory quarantine and the stop of those needed paychecks will cause shortages and defaults. This will ripple through the system.
3. Federal bailouts of the financial system will likely lead to unrest. We bailed them out in 2008. It is unlikely that if we bail them out in 2020 and a large part of population suffering without a "bailout" will simply not tolerate it.
4. The entire health system will collapse under the cost of treatment of millions. Insurers will decline payment because the infection is an "act of God" or will simply go bankrupt. The ramifications of this are clear--it will be taken over by the federal government.
5. We are only talking about Covid here. not heart disease, trauma, cancer, COPD, diabetes, etc. Those cases all need care as well.
Critical Care Bed Growth in the United States. A Comparison of Regional and National Trends
Rationale: Although the number of intensive care unit (ICU) beds in the United States is increasing, it is unknown whether this trend is consistent across all regions.Objectives: We sought to better characterize regional variation in ICU bed changes over ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Mechanical ventilators in US acute care hospitals - PubMed
The number of mechanical ventilators per US population exceeds those reported by other developed countries, but there is wide variation across states in the population-adjusted supply. There are considerably more pediatric-capable ventilators than there are for adults only on a...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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Have you raised rabbits off "what grows in the yard"? It's not that easy, I raised rabbits for a long time and supplemented their feed, but they never truly got off pellet feed. I even broke up cattle salt blocks and did a whole big thing trying to get them off pellets, I did greatly slow down the pellet consumption though, and that was good enough for me, going off pellets did make their growth a bit slower and did affect the quality I was after..my goal was to replace chicken so I was seeking tender meat, pellets did that. less pellets = less tender
mzkitty
I give up.
Trivium Pursuit
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Border Collie Dad
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As I said above, I contacted Now Foods and will post their response.
I'm aware of Summerthyme's vast knowledge.
Sometimes, I like to verify for myself.
EMICT
Veteran Member
We have to remember that the CDC, not unlike the PRC, is a bureaucratic entity that demands control. That is why I have been frustrated over the years with this organization even though I understand why they do things the way they do.
I hope that commercially developed 'quick' testing becomes available soon and is reasonable in price. That is the only way to mitigate the spread at the local level and to keep local health providers healthy during this pandemic.
20Gauge
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Agreed, the virus won't be the TEOTWAWKI that most of us can agree to. What will cause TEOWAWKI will be the reactions to the virus. We are already seeing it. Countries are now shutting borders, food service has been disrupted in at least two countries, (China and Italy).
No we are not aware of anyone starving yet. Nor are we seeing guns being pulled, (Chicago doesn't count), or people going nuts..... YET!!!
I am worried about the economic damage and how people will react to it.
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
They have no personal space there either..... back to a hygiene issue more than anything.
Mark D
Now running for Emperor.
Thankfully(?) teens and twenty-somethings don't get sick from this thing - they'll just bring it home to us old farts. ;-)
Totally unrelated to the topic: THANK YOU for knowing the difference between "borders" and "boarders". Good grief, so many places on the Net read like they're in the middle of a naval engagement. I swear if I read one more comment along the lines of, "We need to secure our boarders!" I'm gonna puke. Where is Admiral Nelson when we need him?!?!
We now return all y'all to your regularly scheduled doom.
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psychgirl
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I think tonight potus goes either two ways with his press conference
He still insists we are in good hands and no big deal... or he announces he has new information and tells us to expect things to be shutdown.
Right now, Rush is still insisting this is all a big play bybthe media and the left to panic people and blame the president.
He still insists we are in good hands and no big deal... or he announces he has new information and tells us to expect things to be shutdown.
Right now, Rush is still insisting this is all a big play bybthe media and the left to panic people and blame the president.
adgal
Veteran Member
Thank you!!! We have White Pines all around us - I had no idea I could make tea!!
And they wake up and 200 million families trot down to the local grocery and stock up to cover six weeks isolation. You see a problem there? Maybe creeping into it is the best we can do.
Jubilee on Earth
Veteran Member
Yes. This! US auto makers say that various cars are manufactured in the United States. But that doesn't mean they don't require parts from China and other countries in order to make those cars. FYI, Steve Bannon talked about this topic with regard to antibiotics and Vitamin C on today's War Room Pandemic show (in the second half).
danielboon
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Coronavirus vaccine ships from Massachusetts to National Institute
HEALTH
by: By Michael P. Norton, State House News Service
Posted: Feb 24, 2020 / 09:31 PM EST / Updated: Feb 24, 2020 / 09:31 PM EST
This scanning electron microscope image shows SARS-CoV-2 (yellow)—also known as 2019-nCoV, the virus that causes COVID-19—isolated from a patient in the U.S., emerging from the surface of cells (pink) cultured in the lab. Credit: NIAID-RML
BOSTON (SHNS) – A Cambridge-based company has shipped vials of its novel coronavirus vaccine, which were manufactured at a plant in Norwood, to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID) for further research.
Moderna Inc. announced the news late Monday, saying its first batch of mRNA-1273 vaccine was funded by the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI) and will be used by government researchers in what’s known as a Phase 1 Study at the National Institutes of Health.
“I want to thank the entire Moderna team for their extraordinary effort in responding to this global health emergency with record speed. The collaboration across Moderna, with NIAID, and with CEPI has allowed us to deliver a clinical batch in 42 days from sequence identification,” Juan Andres, chief technical operations and quality officer at Moderna, said in a statement. “This would not have been possible without our Norwood manufacturing site, which uses leading-edge technology to enable flexible operations and ensure high-quality standards are met for clinical-grade material.”
To date, Moderna has manufactured and released more than 100 batches of vaccines and therapeutics from its Norwood site for human clinical trials. The company described mRNA-1273 as part of its “core prophylactic vaccines modality, which has had six positive Phase 1 clinical readouts across six different vaccines over the past four years.”
A novel coronavirus was identified early this year in Wuhan, Hubei Province, in China. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control now says the virus has been detected in 32 locations internationally, including the United States. The complete clinical picture with regard to COVID-19, as this coronavirus is known, is “not fully understood,” according to the CDC, with reported illnesses ranging from mild to severe, including illness resulting in death.
The World Health Organization on Monday estimated 2,595 deaths to date in China and 23 COVID-19 deaths in 29 countries outside of China.
As of Feb. 24, there has been one confirmed case of this novel coronavirus in Massachusetts, and the Department of Public Health says the risk to residents of Massachusetts remains low. Mass. DPH has not issued an update on the single confirmed coronavirus patient in the state since announcing the confirmed case on February 1.
“While person-to-person spread among close contacts has been detected with this virus, at this time this virus is NOT currently spreading in the community in the United States,” according to the DPH.
Moderna currently has strategic alliances for development programs with AstraZeneca, Merck Inc. and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).
www.wwlp.com
HEALTH
by: By Michael P. Norton, State House News Service
Posted: Feb 24, 2020 / 09:31 PM EST / Updated: Feb 24, 2020 / 09:31 PM EST
This scanning electron microscope image shows SARS-CoV-2 (yellow)—also known as 2019-nCoV, the virus that causes COVID-19—isolated from a patient in the U.S., emerging from the surface of cells (pink) cultured in the lab. Credit: NIAID-RML
BOSTON (SHNS) – A Cambridge-based company has shipped vials of its novel coronavirus vaccine, which were manufactured at a plant in Norwood, to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID) for further research.
Moderna Inc. announced the news late Monday, saying its first batch of mRNA-1273 vaccine was funded by the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI) and will be used by government researchers in what’s known as a Phase 1 Study at the National Institutes of Health.
“I want to thank the entire Moderna team for their extraordinary effort in responding to this global health emergency with record speed. The collaboration across Moderna, with NIAID, and with CEPI has allowed us to deliver a clinical batch in 42 days from sequence identification,” Juan Andres, chief technical operations and quality officer at Moderna, said in a statement. “This would not have been possible without our Norwood manufacturing site, which uses leading-edge technology to enable flexible operations and ensure high-quality standards are met for clinical-grade material.”
To date, Moderna has manufactured and released more than 100 batches of vaccines and therapeutics from its Norwood site for human clinical trials. The company described mRNA-1273 as part of its “core prophylactic vaccines modality, which has had six positive Phase 1 clinical readouts across six different vaccines over the past four years.”
A novel coronavirus was identified early this year in Wuhan, Hubei Province, in China. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control now says the virus has been detected in 32 locations internationally, including the United States. The complete clinical picture with regard to COVID-19, as this coronavirus is known, is “not fully understood,” according to the CDC, with reported illnesses ranging from mild to severe, including illness resulting in death.
The World Health Organization on Monday estimated 2,595 deaths to date in China and 23 COVID-19 deaths in 29 countries outside of China.
As of Feb. 24, there has been one confirmed case of this novel coronavirus in Massachusetts, and the Department of Public Health says the risk to residents of Massachusetts remains low. Mass. DPH has not issued an update on the single confirmed coronavirus patient in the state since announcing the confirmed case on February 1.
“While person-to-person spread among close contacts has been detected with this virus, at this time this virus is NOT currently spreading in the community in the United States,” according to the DPH.
Moderna currently has strategic alliances for development programs with AstraZeneca, Merck Inc. and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).
Coronavirus vaccine ships from Massachusetts to National Institute
A Cambridge-based company has shipped vials of its novel coronavirus vaccine, which were manufactured at a plant in Norwood, to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID) for …
www.wwlp.com
Tarryn
Senior Member
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1232717556265504769
Germany's health minister says the country is at the start of an epidemic, urges local officials to prepare for a pandemic - Welt
Germany's health minister says the country is at the start of an epidemic, urges local officials to prepare for a pandemic - Welt
Johnny Reb
Senior Member
Korean Air flight attendant positive for Covid-19. Working La to Seoul route.
Jubilee on Earth
Veteran Member
Don't forget rose hips are very high in Vitamin C, and are a natural source found in many areas around the U.S. Easy to make a tea out of them.