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annieosage

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I have some rose hip seed oil. I wonder if I can make tea out of it? I originally bought it to apply to my lips and surrounding area due to chapped lips for several months. Ended up having to go to the dermatologist and I have a fungal infection- gross!

Anyway- curious to know about the tea!
 
where do the precursers come from? Anyone can repackage from bulk and slap their label on it.
Place right up the road has made millions doing this, selling herbals. They get their bulk supplies shipped in from elsewhere (they don't grow the herbs) and blend, put in pill form and sell it with their labels
I checked an Equate medicine at WalMart, chemical from China, pressed into pills and packaged in Tiawan.
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
Got back from a Costco run. Less people than Monday. Everything well stocked. Saw one lady walking around with a mask. Over by the rice, saw one guy getting 3-50# bags. We were both looking for big bags of beans but this Costco doesn't carry them anymore. Heard a couple of conversations about stocking up but overall was business as usual.

Took 50# of rice and 12 cans of chickens to my sister. Told her she would have to do the rest if she wanted anything.

I forgot to pick up a a tube of KY for her. Next time...
 
Everything You Need to Know About Shelf-Stable (Aseptic) Milk

Everything You Need to Know About Shelf-Stable (Aseptic) Milk


Thursday, August 8, 2019

Have you seen milk on shelves that is not being refrigerated? Or heard that some of the milk you can buy in the dairy case does not have to stay in the fridge until after you open it? Wondering what makes this possible? We reached out to several team members and checked the Tetra Pak website to get you answers about aseptic milk, so you can enjoy the convenience this modern processing method offers.

How can milk be shelf-stable? What do they do to the milk?
Milk is made shelf-stable (refrigeration not required for storage) by pasteurizing it at a higher temperature. Which is called ultra-high temperature pasteurization, or UHT pasteurization. Traditional milk is heated up to at least 161 degrees for 15 seconds to kill harmful bacteria in the milk. With UHT, it is heated up to 280 to 300 degrees for two to six seconds. Both methods of pasteurization ensure safety and freshness.

Another thing that makes aseptic milk last on the shelf involves the sterile packaging and sterile environment in which the packaging happens. First, the bottles are produced on site; they are then sterilized so that they are absolutely clean. Secondly, the milk packaged in those bottles is in a sterile environment so that no bacteria or pathogens can contaminate the product. The combination of UHT pasteurization and bottling sterilization ensures that the milk lasts up to six months on the shelf without refrigeration.

Is it still real milk?
Yes! The aseptic milk is made with the same delicious, fresh and high-quality milk from local dairy farms.
While pasteurization has helped provide safe, nutrient-rich milk for over 150 years, some people continue to believe that pasteurization negatively affects the nutritional profile of milk. That could not be further from the truth. In fact, there are no meaningful changes to the nutrient package of milk as a result of pasteurization. When it comes to milk’s nutrients, all of milk’s minerals remain after pasteurization; there is, however, one small change when it comes to vitamins. Raw milk contains a miniscule amount of vitamin C (3.7 milligrams per serving), which does not survive the pasteurization process. By comparison, orange juice contains about 84 milligrams of vitamin C per serving.

How long is this milk good once I open it?
Aseptic milk will stay good in your pantry for up to six months. However, once you open it, it must be refrigerated immediately. Aseptic milk is best enjoyed within seven days of opening.
The important thing to remember for making any milk last longer is to keep it refrigerated – don’t ever leave milk out on the counter and try to finish individual servings of milk within an hour of serving. For every hour that your (traditional or opened aseptic) milk is above 45 degrees, you’ll lose a day of life off the label. So, if it takes you an hour to get home after you leave the grocery store with a gallon of traditional milk and the milk’s temperature rises to 45 degrees, it will last one day short of the date listed for freshness.

Is aseptic milk good for the environment?
Dairy farmers work hard to be environmentally sound on the farm, and dairy processors try to continue that tradition at the plant too. Aseptic milk is being made in smaller packages to help prevent food waste. So, the last couple glasses of milk from the gallon no longer have to be wasted if the jug goes bad before you can finish it!
In addition, dairy farms are committed to producing the purest milk possible on the farm, which means that the processing plant gets a better product to start with and getting it ready for the consumer is easier.
If you have questions about your aseptic product, look for the 800 number on the package and call to ask! Manufacturers are the best source of information about their foods. Have you tried aseptic milk? Tell us about it below!

By Gretchen Crichton

Gretchen has been part of the Dairy MAX team since 2016. She has a background in public relations and marketing. When she's not working, Gretchen is usually attending her son's or nephew's baseball games. Learn more about Gretchen.
 
I am really behind on this thread but I need to top off some preps and my membership to my local Sam's Club has expired. We have a Costco but it is a little over an hour away, so less convenient. Is Costco that much better tham Sam's Club? For those of you who have shopped at both, would appreciate your insight. I don't want to thread drift so just drop me a PM. Thanks
kind of like asking what gas station is better
 

Bps1691

Veteran Member
But under 500 total tests run by the CDC, as I understand it.

That's around the figures I've seen as well.

The Clinic/Hospital my daughter works at is in the area of a very large university with a significant Asian population. She didn't give specific numbers, but it was my impression the cases that meet the protocols for the coronavirus have been extremely small number (guessing 2-5). All were right after the semester started and were for individuals who had traveled home to China over the holidays. The protocols were in effect since late December and are strictly followed. The suspected person was placed into a controlled access situation, supporting treatment made, the test was sent off and when came back was negative.

As far as the 500 number (so far), if you look at the number of confirmed cases in the USA ( Source for following table information ):

COVID-19: Confirmed Cases in the United States*†
Travel-related12
Person-to-person spread2
Total confirmed cases14
Total tested445
* This table represents cases detected and tested in the United States through U.S. public health surveillance systems since January 21, 2020. It does not include people who returned to the U.S. via State Department-chartered flights.
† Numbers closed out at 4 p.m. the day before reporting.


COVID-19: Cases among Persons Repatriated to the United States†
Wuhan, ChinaDiamond Princess Cruise Ship‡
Positive342
† Numbers closed out at 4 p.m. the day before reporting.
‡ Cases have laboratory confirmation and may or may not have been symptomatic.

It actually makes sense that the number is low (so far).

Looking at the data world wide, it appears to me that we are in the potential spread phase for the disease outside of China. It still appears that the base cases of the spread world wide are people coming out of the hardest hit areas of China. But this current phase can and appears to be spreading by cross contamination from those base cases into the new countries to others in the country (like what appears to be happening in Italy).

Only time will tell if this will continue to spread and build or if in fact they do contain it.

Here's is an additional resource (quick cheat sheet) put out by the CDC that is handy information to have on hand:

CDC FactSheet
 

jward

passin' thru
i assume this is real. I knew it would be, but still....
ETA don't forget, the globalist want you dead, and the true believers on the left and chaos sowers of all stripes are happy to oblige....

Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11

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BREAKING: Three Chinese nationals were apprehended trying to cross our Southern border illegally Each had flu-like symptoms Border patrol quickly quarantined them and assessed any threat of Coronavirus Our weak border is a health risk Close the border—Build. The. Wall. RT!
 

Haybails

When In Doubt, Throttle Out!
My computer crashed hard on Friday... No coming back from this one. So, I set out for Best Buy with my son. Wasn't really planning on this expense so I didn't want to spend and outrageous amount of cash. I did not want to go over $700 as I had to put it on a credit card ( my son is enrolled in the school's learn from home program, so he needs a computer to attend classes and, well... I need my TB2K ).

Went to the store and we drooled over the AlienWare towers but then settled on a nice gaming system that was on sale for $599... I thought that was a real steal so I wanted to make sure of the price before getting my boy all excited. The clerk scanned the barcode on the display and it came up as $599 so I purchased it. He said the only one left in the store was in the back and he went to get it.

When we got home, I was very surprised to find that he had given me the wrong computer. I ended up with this one ( which was priced at $849)...

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Windows 10 operating system
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9th Gen Intel® Core™ i5-9400F processor
Smart six-core, six-way processing performance.
8GB system memory for advanced multitasking
Substantial high-bandwidth RAM to smoothly run your games and photo- and video-editing applications, as well as multiple programs and browser tabs all at once.
1TB hard drive and 240GB solid state drive (SSD) for a blend of storage space and speed
The hard drive provides ample storage, while the SSD delivers faster start-up times and data access.
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 graphics
Driven by 6GB dedicated video memory to quickly render high-quality images for videos and games.
6 USB 3.0 ports maximize the latest high-speed devices
The USB 3.0 ports are backward-compatible with USB 2.0 devices (at 2.0 speeds).


So... Well worth the trip!
I'm assuming you took it back and swapped it for the correct item . . . right?

I mean, as a business owner, I sure would appreciate honesty from my customers.


HB
 

jward

passin' thru
Got back from a Costco run. Less people than Monday. Everything well stocked. Saw one lady walking around with a mask. Over by the rice, saw one guy getting 3-50# bags. We were both looking for big bags of beans but this Costco doesn't carry them anymore. Heard a couple of conversations about stocking up but overall was business as usual.

Took 50# of rice and 12 cans of chickens to my sister. Told her she would have to do the rest if she wanted anything.

I forgot to pick up a a tube of KY for her. Next time...

Hell I've been a true believer since the 80s, and this is still stretching my mind occasionally. I truly feel for those young parents o ut there trying to wrap their heads around the ripples this event will cast into the pond/the trajectory of their lives. God bless em.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Didn't see this reported, if up than ignore:

Update (1345ET): If you're wondering what caused the latest leg lower in stocks, we believe we've found the answer: 83 people in Long Island's Nassau County are being monitored for coronavirus infection, threatening to make the CDC's warnings about imminent community outbreaks come true.


The story was initially reported by a local radio station before it was picked up by other local outlets.


Nassau County Executive Laura Curran told residents "do not panic" at a press conference. Six have been tested so far, five confirmed to not have it.


Nassau health officials say they're working with both state and federal agencies to monitor the situation. Gov. Cuomo has weighed in on the situation, affirming that only one possible case is still pending after 27 were tested. He added that no matter what happens here, he expects the virus will eventually arrive in NY State. Though an outbreak is inevitable, Cuomo added that there's "no need for undue fear."

read:83 Being Monitored For Coronavirus In Long Island's Nassau County: Live Updates
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
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Report: Flight Attendant Working from LAX Diagnosed with Coronavirus

www.breitbart.com
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Flight attendant in an airplane cabin.
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A Korean Air flight attendant who worked flights from Los Angeles International Airport has been infected with the deadly coronavirus, according to South Korean national daily newspaper, JoongAng Ilbo.

The attendant, 24, was confirmed that to contracted the virus on Tuesday. Local media reported that the woman serviced flights from Seoul–Incheon International Airport to Los Angeles International Airport between February 19 and 20. She also worked a flight from Tel Aviv, Israel, to Seoul on February 15, according to South Korea’s Center for Disease Control. Korean Air has shut down its operations center at the Seoul airport to quarantine the area.


As of Wednesday, 1,200 people in South Korea have been diagnosed with the coronavirus. The illness has killed 11 people there.
As the new coronavirus, which was first found in China, has begun to sweep through South Korea, soldiers stationed in close quarters on bases throughout the country are at particular risk. Already 20 South Korean soldiers and one American have tested positive.
In response the allies are taking aggressive measures to guard against a viral outbreak and are even considering curtailing a key joint military exercise, something experts say is inevitable because if the virus were to spread through the ranks it could significantly weaken their ability to fight if necessary.
“In the military, soldiers are living as a group. So even if just one person contracts the virus at his base, its aftermath would be really tremendous,” said Kim Dae-young, an analyst at the Korea Research Institute for National Strategy. “This year, no military training can be the best option.”
The virus has infected more than 80,000 people worldwide, mostly in China, though over the past week South Korea has become the second-worst affected country after an outbreak centered in the southeast around its fourth-largest city, Daegu.
South Korea boasts a 600,000-strong military, while the U.S. stations 28,500 troops in the country largely as a deterrent to possible North Korean aggression. Daegu, with a population of about 2.5 million people, is near four American bases.
The United States Forces Korea on Monday said that a USFK widowed dependent tested positive for the virus. On Wednesday the U.S. reported that a 23-year-old soldier had tested positive and would be treated at Camp Humphreys near Seoul. It said the soldier was originally based at Camp Carroll near Daegu.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.

read:Flight Attendant Working from LAX Diagnosed with Coronavirus
 

bassgirl

Veteran Member
One point that I have made before is that it really isn't the mortality rate that is so concerning about this virus. Lets say for argument's sake that it is 5%. Our best estimate is that his thing has a 60-70% attack rate. In this coungry lets say we are better off and go with half that--35%.

Thats 122 million infections. Overall consistent breakdown of case loads has been that 15-20% will need inpatient medical care of some form. Lets say that due to better hygeine, vaccinations, education and diet we can cut that in half to say 10%. That is 12.2 million cases that will require hospitalization or more intensive management such as antibiotics, fluids, supplemental oxygen, etc. Of those 12.2 million cases, roughly 10-15% will require ICU care with mechanical ventilation or ECMO. Lets go with the lower number there of 10%. 1.22 million americans would need ventilators. The existing mortality of those on vent is around 67%. Wihout vent and in ARDS That number will go to, at a minimum, 80-90%.

There are between 900,000 and 1 million hospital beds in total in the United States. Of those, roughly 80,000 are ICU beds. There are roughly 65,000 mechanical ventilators in the US.

So, using those numbers what is the impact?

You have 1/3rd of the US missing work, missing mortgage and car payements, and clogging up health care systems. 12 million of them will need intervention, be we only have beds for roughly 7-8%. Those who are not admitted will have to use oxygen at home (If it is available) and will be much more prone to infect others and experience seconary infections. The eventual rate of death of these will not be unsubstantial. Of those, 1.22 milion will need ventilators. Just short of 1 million of them will likely die because there are no ventilators available.

Why those numbers could be too optomistic:

1. The supply chain disruptions will seriously impact healthcare above and beyond the demands from Covid. Without medications, supplies, PPE the entire system will come to a stop. No surgeries, no chemotherapy, no heart medication, insulin, BP meds, etc. Not only will this cause their own, higher morbidity/mortality it will increase the attack rate and poor outcomes of those co-infected with Covid.
2. Economic problems have the potential to lead to food shortages, predatory lending, and unrest. Recent articles I have read were saying that 1/3rd of americans--regardless of income up to 200,000/year, run out of money before the end of the month. This would indicate that they have no savings/reserves and mandatory quarantine and the stop of those needed paychecks will cause shortages and defaults. This will ripple through the system.
3. Federal bailouts of the financial system will likely lead to unrest. We bailed them out in 2008. It is unlikely that if we bail them out in 2020 and a large part of population suffering without a "bailout" will simply not tolerate it.
4. The entire health system will collapse under the cost of treatment of millions. Insurers will decline payment because the infection is an "act of God" or will simply go bankrupt. The ramifications of this are clear--it will be taken over by the federal government.
5. We are only talking about Covid here. not heart disease, trauma, cancer, COPD, diabetes, etc. Those cases all need care as well.


And on top of all that, if these hospitals don’t get on the ball and start training the ED and ICU staff how to use the space suit gear we have been seeing in the china vids, then the health care workers will be screwed.
 

Southside

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Aintitfunny, we are trying to provide this board with the most accurate, clinically-proven advice possible. Those of us who are healthcare professionals are being inundated with requests for information. We are having to sort out the lies from China, the WHO and our own CDC as well as sort out the avalanche of clinical data coming in.

My current COVID-19 folder on this computer is 278 MB of information. I've read through all of it except the latest papers put out this week. I have 2 full time jobs (one of which is directly linked to SARS-CoV-2 research).

Feel free to disagree with us, but do NOT demand any further time or effort from us. We just don't have it available. I am off to brief another unprepared hospital in a 10:00 meeting. I have time to pee first, but that is all. Best of luck and stay safe.

Blizzard

Thanks to you and Rondaben for what you do to help.

Southside
 

Leigh19717

Senior Member
I think tonight potus goes either two ways with his press conference

He still insists we are in good hands and no big deal... or he announces he has new information and tells us to expect things to be shutdown.

Right now, Rush is still insisting this is all a big play bybthe media and the left to panic people and blame the president.
I think an All is well statement will be made. I honestly think the only reason he is even doing this is because of the past two days in the stock market.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
Those plans for post-nuclear tax collection were in a pamphlet that was included in the piles of paperwork going back to the 1930s that the HHS section of the Old Federal Building had and that I was one of the people charged with going through it before it was either shredded or sent to some archive somewhere.

I don't think it was a "secret" pamphlet but it was aimed at agency personnel rather than the general public, I don't think it was classified.

Other stuff I went over was the original paperwork instructions for social security (widows and orphans) and the pay scales for GOVERNMENT PROVIDED DAYCARE for Rosey the Riveter in the factories building military stuff during WWII.

Rosy's Day Care was a GS 1 or GS 2 level clerk with all Federal pay and benefits of the time period.

Oh, and comment on the "socialized" health care thing, real pandemic triage protocols for managing pandemics are a lot more draconian than "rationing" in any system (done by government or insurance company).

I also point out that while it is likely to spread, the UK has done a pretty good job so far keeping a lid on things but then no one is afraid of going bankrupt because they report to their ER or GP with symptoms (unless they are bankrupted by being in quarantine but the health care costs are pre-paid via taxes).

You pay for things one way or you pay for them another and I suspect the USA is about to find out just how well a totally wonky system with no backups for the working poor and even lower-middle-class is going to hold up if a real pandemic hits.

We are already starting to see the "who pays" issues coming up with the Federal Governments vs. the States Vs. the Counties when it comes to quarantined people.

And unlike cancer treatments, this is one where just throwing people back into the parking lot because they can't pay will doesn't just hurt the person with the illness, they can then spread it on to everyone including the hospital administrator and the CEO of the insurance company.

If I recall, the concept of "public health" arose from the incidence of illness arising from the slums of places like New York. People outside realized that that their family's health was impacted by the conditions there. (Something the people of LA and San Fran seemed to have forgotten.)
 

anney

Veteran Member
Posted: Feb 26, 2020 / 12:39 PM CST / Updated: Feb 26, 2020 / 01:19 PM CST
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MAYFLOWER, Ark. – A local courtroom has been cleared by order of a judge after a woman reportedly claimed to have possibly been exposed to the coronavirus.
It happened Wednesday morning at the local district court.
The Mayflower Police Department issued this post on its Facebook page early Wednesday afternoon:
“The Faulkner County District Court in Mayflower was ordered to be evacuated by the Judge this morning due to a female who made claims that she may have potentially been exposed to the Coronavirus during a commercial flight. Medical Personnel are on scene and Ashmore Drive is shut down until further notice. At this time we have no reason to be believe the public is in any danger. The State Health Department is also involved. Thank you all for the multiple calls of concern. If any additional concerns that the public needs to be made aware of arises, we will get that information out ASAP. Have a great day!”
The Arkansas Department of Health (ADH) has released this statement about the incident:
“ADH is aware of the situation in Mayflower. We are working with health care providers to assess the person to determine if they have a communicable disease. Our process is to gather information from the patient and health care provider to determine if a patient has symptoms, and if they do, when those symptom started and if there is any travel history. We also encourage evaluation for more common diseases, such as the flu. Those considered at risk for Covid-19 have traveled to areas of concern within 14 days, or have been in close contact with someone who has traveled to areas of concern and developed symptoms within the last 14 days. There are currently no confirmed cases of Covid-19 in the state. If there is a risk to Arkansans being exposed to the virus here, we will communicate that as quickly as possible.”


 
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