CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

goosebeans

Veteran Member

EMICT

Veteran Member
Just chatted with a friend who lives in the UK just outside of London. She’s up with a sick baby. Everyone is freaking out there about the leaked gov’t report that the worst case scenario is 80% of their population will get it, and half a million people will die. She said everyone is going nuts with plans to get to the store and stock up and find masks. Many Londoners are seriously stressing about taking the Tube and the close quarters of shops, restaurants, and schools. Some local news person there said it’s likely already in London and spreading... it’s just a matter of when it will show up.

... and that is why you have infomercials such as the one that was broadcast tonight.
 

blueinterceptor

Veteran Member
This is uncharted territory. The Ebola thing was short lived. This appears not to be. To me he kinda looks like Bush did when he was told about the wtc. He’s ultimately trying not to panic the people. If everyone here were asked how they’d handle this emergency, we’d get a hundred different answers. Pelosi and Schumer did not do the country a service by opening the sewers they have for mouths. Consider this, what would they do with another billion dollars, buy more masks from where? He may not have looked his best but this was impromptu. I can remember O looking like a complete idiot when his teleprompter failed him. There’s plenty of video of that. Also consider what everyone is most concerned with here. Economic failure.

personally, I thing employers should be mandated to pay employees for sick time missed by this illness and if it comes to a country quarantine, everyone should get paid and the employers should be able to deduct that cost from their taxes.
 

Tarryn

Senior Member
I think this is the latest CA case.
Coronavirus: Solano Co. resident 1st possible case of person-to-person transmission | KTVU FOX 2


Coronavirus: Solano Co. resident 1st possible case of person-to-person transmission
By KTVU Staff
Published 1 hour ago
Updated 20 mins ago
KTVU FOX 2
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OAKLAND, Calif. (KTVU) - The first U.S. novel coronavirus case of unknown origin has been confirmed in the Bay Area, the Center for Disease Control said on Wednesday.

The patient is a Solano County resident and is being treated in Sacramento County.

According to the CDC, it's the first possible COVID-19 case of person-to-person transmission in the U.S.

Authorities said the person had not recently traveled to a foreign county or had any close contact with someone who had the virus.

It's the 15th case that was tested positive in the U.S.

The California Department of Public Health said that while the health risk from the virus to the public remains low, the state working to prevent the spread of the coronavirus.

Scientists have already begun the process of trying to trace the latest patient's whereabouts
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
And just saw that 80% of the “church” members tested in South Korea have tested positive.

Holy crap!

Did you happen to save a link to that???

That "church" had thousands of members!

ETA: I just saw your tweet... Thanks! 80% WHO HAVE BEEN TESTED are positive with almost 8000 waiting to be tested.

Whew!

I read your statement, totally, wrong...

:D
 
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Sub-Zero

Veteran Member
Personally, no. He had no personal knowledge of the virus. He immediately referred to the anecdotal "its just the flu bro" and that "its nothing. Ebola exploded people" foolishness. He constantly looked for approval from the medical professionals on stage with him. In this issue, he is an empty suit.

You hear the same bs from HHS, CDC and the lot that has been said for the last several weeks. They are trying to hide it into the flu and have even convinced Trump that the "flu kills a bunch of people" so that when the bodies start to stack up he will be like the majority of the clueless and think "man, this is a bad flu season".

He looked as impotent as buttigieg, as confused as biden, as caring as hillary, and as serious as Bernie. For the love of all things Holy I don't know what he was thinking. It convinced no one. Those that believe everything he says will not prepare and will continue to trust the empty suit. Those that pillory him at every opportunity will have endless ammunition now. He lost the White House tonight. We may lose the country if an adult doesn't show up.
I think you're overreacting, but we'll see.

But, the only way they can pillory him is if he is wrong.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
I agree with you Rondaben. I am a strong Trump supporter, he will always have my vote, but this press conference tonight did not show his better side. On a positive note, by putting the sheeple who were starting to wake up back to sleep - he's given those who are fully awake some extra time to finish up any prepping they want to do. I have no idea how bad it will get in the USA, but if this country starts having cases like Iran and Italy and SK, this may turn out to be his Baghdad Bob moment. :(

Here's another thought though: what if the approach they have decided to take is not test anyone, and let all COVID cases be diagnosed as pneumonia or flu. If you don't test for it, you can't have any positive result to report. No test, no cases. He's proven right, it was nothing to see, it was just a super bad flu season. then next winter, after the election is over, and they have the vaccine to deal with it they'll just say flu season is more mild compared to 2020, which was the 'worst on record'. It's an approach. It could work if 80% of those infected are mild cases. hmmm?

ETA: he still has to deal with the supply chain issues. Even if he can hide covid cases by not testing them and therefore not having to count them, how is he going to prepare people who go to the store and find no tp or paper towels, or laundry soap, etc because Proctor and Gamble (and others like them) can't get them to the shelves? I guess use denial there too. ... denial is very powerful especially when everyone prefers to keep their head buried in the sand. Feed them denial, that's what they want to hear from their leaders. It's a crazy, mixed up world...

HD
 
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Squid

Veteran Member
I am confused.

Trump is either all knowing or a fool. The virus will will kill 6% of the population or be a US nothing burger.

Maybe, just maybe we all live in the in between. Maybe Trump is relying on head honcho’s in CDC to give credible info and advice and he’s being given politically safe it could be A it could be B central position non answers from political government insiders.

How much ‘real’ info are you seeing from the media? Thought so that is why you are here.

The sheeple think its an over there thing. IMHO they are fools, of course its here, of course people have it who don’t know, of course the true extent will take time and the sheeple will panic all at once. Happened in China, Hong Kong, South Korea, Northern Italy. If pushed enough by media or by events it will hapoen here.

This is at min 4 more weeks more likely 8-12 more for waves of info, lies panic, reset and a repeat or 2.

The pres could show boat a trip with photo op at CDC with media and serious looking Dr’s and specialists but how exactly that going to protect or cure you?

You are responsible for you and yours so be responsible for your corner of reality. Let the idiots in DC posture and pose cause it really doesn’t mean a lot for the price of rice in China or the time to restock N95 masks that were bought in bulk and shipped to China and are sitting in stacks of boxes outside Chinese hospitals because there is noone in charge to organize the pile of boxes.
 

Tarryn

Senior Member

cyberiot

Rimtas žmogus
DJT spent his life in the private sector surrounded by yes-wo/men and sycophants who crossed him at their peril.
When it's your name on the door, you get to do that.

The POTUS functions in a completely different environment; s/he cannot know all things at the depth and breadth necessary to forge sound public policy. Ergo, s/he must rely upon and trust the advice of others who are better informed or more experienced. DJT has repeatedly refused to listen to those in his administration who don't agree with his preconceptions, however weakly informed, and in fact is prone to banish them.

Tonight's presser was a classical Greek tragedy.
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
I agree with you Rondaben. I am a strong Trump supporter, he will always have my vote, but this press conference tonight did not show his better side. On a positive note, by putting the sheeple who were starting to wake up back to sleep - he's given those who are fully awake some extra time to finish up any prepping they want to do. I have no idea how bad it will get in the USA, but if this country starts having cases like Iran and Italy and SK, this may turn out to be his Baghdad Bob moment. :(

Here's another thought though: what if the approach they have decided to take is not test anyone, and let all COVID cases be diagnosed as pneumonia or flu. If you don't test for it, you can't have any positive result to report. No test, no cases. He's proven right, it was nothing to see, it was just a super bad flu season. then next winter, after the election is over, and they have the vaccine to deal with it they'll just say flu season is more mild compared to 2020, which was the 'worst on record'. It's an approach. It could work if 80% of those infected are mild cases. hmmm?

HD

Depends on what the attack rate here is. If its 60-70% no. No one will buy 20 million or so that are sick enough to need hospitalization (but can't get it) or the million or so critically ill that would die from it without a vent or ICU bed. Especially when the death rate was on the high end of normal up until march and then went up 10 fold when we also happened to have coronavirus. If they can keep it manageable (and I don't see how without strict quarantine) then maybe. Your guess is as good as mine on that.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Just chatted with a friend who lives in the UK just outside of London. She’s up with a sick baby. Everyone is freaking out there about the leaked gov’t report that the worst case scenario is 80% of their population will get it, and half a million people will die. She said everyone is going nuts with plans to get to the store and stock up and find masks. Many Londoners are seriously stressing about taking the Tube and the close quarters of shops, restaurants, and schools. Some local news person there said it’s likely already in London and spreading... it’s just a matter of when it will show up.

Now... Why do people think our numbers will be too much different? No, we don't have NHS, so they should be a little better but still similar...
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
FOR the record, as to what POTUS has DONE (which is bubbling under right nwo), I refer yall to what Alfaman referred to as to what has been initiated:

So, mentioning ESF-8, you are talking about these links??



and

multiple links at:


and:


There is a LOT of reading there...

I'll start tomorrow when I get home from my GI Breath Test.


And yes it's a BUNCH of reading.

(REX-84 comes to mind on skimming...)
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Somewhere along the way, fracking will no longer be profitable. At that point we will have to import oil, unless our economy goes into the tank.

I may be remembering incorrectly but I think I saw that at $50.00 a barrel, fracking will not be profitable any longer. Oil is at $53.00 a barrel right now...
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Personally, my biggest concern is we have a massive outbreak brewing below the surface,
1,000's of CoronaVirus cases already here, but hidden among the flu stats, so none of them
are being tracked, nor in any quarantine, out freely & actively infecting thousands more...

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane

That is my estimation of the reality we are living in, right now...
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
By Oct
DJT spent his life in the private sector surrounded by yes-wo/men and sycophants who crossed him at their peril.
When it's your name on the door, you get to do that.

The POTUS functions in a completely different environment; s/he cannot know all things at the depth and breadth necessary to forge sound public policy. Ergo, s/he must rely upon and trust the advice of others who are better informed or more experienced. DJT has repeatedly refused to listen to those in his administration who don't agree with his preconceptions, however weakly informed, and in fact is prone to banish them.

Tonight's presser was a classical Greek tragedy.
By October 2016, I lost confidence in Trump for some of the very reasons you note. Now it should be noted that his gut instinct is the best I have ever seen. And he has been incredibly lucky, I really did not think he would get this far. But sooner or later, both will fail and we may be seeing it. If the Demos pick Bernie and disaster occurs, I give him a pretty good chance to win the POTUS. Because he will have a program that desperate people will buy into. As I have ranted many times, when times get desperate, the people turn Left.
 

Tarryn

Senior Member
Well just a quick glance at twitter and here shows that everyone is unhappy with tonight's press conference. The Dems are already screaming he is an incompetent liar who should not be leading the country.
Many conservatives a pissed he didn't tell everyone to self isolate.
I don't think he could have done the last one without causing serious harm to the country. If he had, we could be seeing riots in stores and gangs and opportunists taking advantage of the situation.
I think he tried to do had to be done to try to keep the peace for now.

JMHO...
 

pops88

Girls with Guns Member
Surprised by the number of people who think Trump doesn't have a clue. Have you ever been around high level political people? Think he's unaware of sat. pictures or what's happening on the ground in China? Think he hasn't talked to foreign leaders about this? We're pretty arrogant if we think we have a better handle on the situation than he does. I'm sure that right now he understands what a disaster it would be if people panicked. The socioeconomic consequences could be massively worse than the virus. He doesn't want the country to descend into chaos. He's a bad liar, btw. I think the purpose of the speech was to reassure people that there are plans in place and they aren't just sitting on their hands.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Here's another thought though: what if the approach they have decided to take is not test anyone, and let all COVID cases be diagnosed as pneumonia or flu. If you don't test for it, you can't have any positive result to report. No test, no cases. He's proven right, it was nothing to see, it was just a super bad flu season. then next winter, after the election is over, and they have the vaccine to deal with it they'll just say flu season is more mild compared to 2020, which was the 'worst on record'. It's an approach. It could work if 80% of those infected are mild cases. hmmm?

If nothing is done about the $3500.00 price tag on the COVID-19 test, I don't see many folks opting to get tested...
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Personally, my biggest concern is we have a massive outbreak brewing below the surface, 1,000's of CoronaVirus cases already here, but hidden among the flu stats, so none of them are being tracked, nor in any quarantine, out freely & actively infecting thousands more...

Tens of thousands, more like.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
Depends on what the attack rate here is. If its 60-70% no. No one will buy 20 million or so that are sick enough to need hospitalization (but can't get it) or the million or so critically ill that would die from it without a vent or ICU bed. Especially when the death rate was on the high end of normal up until march and then went up 10 fold when we also happened to have coronavirus. If they can keep it manageable (and I don't see how without strict quarantine) then maybe. Your guess is as good as mine on that.

He's gambling and he's relying on the low (fake) numbers provided to him by China to place his bet. We (you and I and probably most on this thread) think it's a losing bet, because we think China is lying and the numbers are exponentially worse. He must believe the Chinese numbers are accurate so it's a bet he's willing to take because if he wins, he wins big. And if the Chinese numbers are accurate, if he loses, he doesn't lose by enough that he can't hide the loss in flu numbers. (exactly like China is doing -under reporting exponentially to hide the true nature of the virus). Bottom line it all depends on by how much China is lying. After all, I think there total reported deaths were less than 3000, for a country with a population of 1.4 billion. We have 330 million people, more than a billion less people than China (just googled these numbers so using them as a reference), so IF THEIR NUMBERS ARE THE REAL NUMBERS (and not lies), the percentage of people who die of this disease would put our death toll much less than flu (12,000-60,000 in the USA alone) - thus making his gamble a safe one. (not going to do the math to figure out what 3000 of 1.4 billion is and then multiplying that percentage against 330 million; I hate math and I'll probably get it wrong! ).

HD
 
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Troke

On TB every waking moment
Personally, my biggest concern is we have a massive outbreak brewing below the surface,
1,000's of CoronaVirus cases already here, but hidden among the flu stats, so none of them
are being tracked, nor in any quarantine, out freely & actively infecting thousands more...

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
Damn! That is the best news I have read in a long time. Our culture has absorbed 1000's of cases without blinking an eye. Tremendous! By the way, I sell bridges. Got some good prospects coming up. Some with barricades, others without.
 

jward

passin' thru
I think you're overreacting, but we'll see.

But, the only way they can pillory him is if he is wrong.
As they well know, so the narrative will be built around him being wrong. The fact none of them understand the complexities and interwoven demands of driving the titanic thru the eye of a needle is beside the point. Orange Man Bad! HallaLuah! FINALLY we will have dead and dying bodies to do what the klown car brigade couldn't!
 

Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is uncharted territory. The Ebola thing was short lived. This appears not to be. To me he kinda looks like Bush did when he was told about the wtc. He’s ultimately trying not to panic the people. If everyone here were asked how they’d handle this emergency, we’d get a hundred different answers. Pelosi and Schumer did not do the country a service by opening the sewers they have for mouths. Consider this, what would they do with another billion dollars, buy more masks from where? He may not have looked his best but this was impromptu. I can remember O looking like a complete idiot when his teleprompter failed him. There’s plenty of video of that. Also consider what everyone is most concerned with here. Economic failure.

personally, I thing employers should be mandated to pay employees for sick time missed by this illness and if it comes to a country quarantine, everyone should get paid and the employers should be able to deduct that cost from their taxes.
We had a small business. We could not afford to pay our 40 employees two-three weeks worth of wages without income coming in, even if it came out of our taxes and slim profit margin. Maybe if we didn't have to pay the employer's portion of SS, Medicare, unemployment, worker's comp etc. state and federal taxes we might have squeeked by, but it would have been a very close thing. We would still have owed rent, vehicle leases, equipment leases/loans, several types of insurance, utilities, etc. Quarantine most likely would have bankrupted us. Small business owners do not have deep pockets like large corporations, and most people are employed by small business owners.
 
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