BRKG ***CONFIRMED... Iran's Qassem Soleimani killed in US airstrike*** (i.e. BUCKLE UP!) - Iran counterattacks

summerthyme

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Generally, it's assumed if you lost consciousness even briefly, you have a TBI. But it's now known (and people can hate the NFL, but much of the current research in diagnosis and treatment of TBI is coming from/being funded by them) that you can have a significant concussion even if you never blacked out at all.

They definitely are all different, and the degree or severity of the original symptoms doesn't necessarily correlate with the severity of the injury.

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SouthernBreeze

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Generally, it's assumed if you lost consciousness even briefly, you have a TBI. But it's now known (and people can hate the NFL, but much of the current research in diagnosis and treatment of TBI is coming from/being funded by them) that you can have a significant concussion even if you never blacked out at all.

They definitely are all different, and the degree or severity of the original symptoms doesn't necessarily correlate with the severity of the injury.

Summerthyme

Thanks again, Summerthyme. I understand.
 

TerryK

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Is it possible that these soldier's injuries were kept hidden to keep the perception going that "peace' is holding between the US and Iran? I can see where one or two of these soldiers might not present symptoms right away, but all 11 at the same time?
Yep, that is exactly the way it happens.
No one was injured in the way of shrapnel etc.
A large explosion going off nearby will shake your brain and presto all the symptoms, especially the delayed onset ones, just like ND mentioned.
If there were any "blood and guts" casualties like most people picture when they think of military casualties, you really can't hide that for more than a couple of days. It's a big base, with a lot of people and when you have a lot of people someone always talks. It's just a fact of life in the military.

I'm pretty sure you are not going to find any of what most people consider "bloody" combat casualties. You really cant hide those in a big base, even in IraqI'
Too many people, and some are bound to talk, if only to family back home. Who will of course blab to others.
 

TerryK

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The "idea" may be from a video game but the weapon exists in the real world.

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Yep, now there are 2 versions of Phalanx. One for ships and one for land defense.
The newer models now can fire up to 4500 rounds a minute of 20mm.
The ship based units have saboted tungsten armor piercing rounds. They look like plastic bullets but they have a tungsten penetrator inside
The ammo for shore based units is cool. High explosive, incendiary, tracers, that will self destruct when the tracer burns out. That's so the projectiles that don't hit, self destruct before they can do collateral ground damage.
Oh and CWIS ammo generally goes for more than 30 bucks a round.
Most firing bursts are only for a second or two. The magazine only holds less than 2000 rounds, and at 75 rounds a second, you aren't going to fire long bursts. That's about $2500 in ammo for a one second run.
The fire control radar has a wide search function but also another tracking system that actually tracks the projectiles and the target and merges them to destroy the target. All within a second or two.
Systems have been modified now to enable them to engage small boats and small drones. I would hate to be on one of those Iranian gunboats that took even a short burst from CIWS.

The sound in the video doesn't seem realistic to what I remember. I remember a higher pitched sound, more like "baaaaap" Almost like a loud buzzer.

As part of Surface Warfare quals we had to know how CIWS system operates, including how to bring a system to full auto engage that would automatically evaluate, engage and destroy any threats approaching the ship. Normally in a wartime situation the system still needs a human to ok each engagement.
CIWS is pretty much self contained. Bolt it on, supply it with 3 phase 440 volts and water, and you're good to go. I think all our merchant marine ships should be fitted out with it.
All together, it's a nice weapon system that is in wide use throughout the world and has been in the fleet for a very long time. So it is kind of dated. It's about time to upgrade to a megawatt lasers :)
 

Hfcomms

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The sound in the video doesn't seem realistic to what I remember. I remember a higher pitched sound, more like "baaaaap" Almost like a loud buzzer.

Never heards a CIWS fire but probably similar to it's big brother the 30mm cannon that the A-10 has. Sounds like a long wet juicy fart. Great sound though when your taking fire from some bad guys a few hundred meters away.
 

Maryh

Veteran Member
Generally, it's assumed if you lost consciousness even briefly, you have a TBI. But it's now known (and people can hate the NFL, but much of the current research in diagnosis and treatment of TBI is coming from/being funded by them) that you can have a significant concussion even if you never blacked out at all.

They definitely are all different, and the degree or severity of the original symptoms doesn't necessarily correlate with the severity of the injury.

Summerthyme
Daughter has a TBI from her three deployments. She's been battling migranes which are debilitating for her now. Everything's been documented which is a good thing. You'd never know it to see her or talk with her.
 

evenso

Veteran Member
It is possible, imo, that injuries and deaths were cloaked for any number of reasons.
It is also possible that some are just making it into the pipeline. My only sources outside
twitter are off grid at moment, so... I really don't have a clear sense.

Anything is possible. I trust DJT like no other commander, though, and am thus more OK
with not knowing than I would be otherwise.
I'm so glad this is being addressed. I've heard from several sources that not only were soldiers being treated for TBIs but there were several deaths.

The morning after the attack, I was very concerned to watch POTUS. He seemed out of breath and the cadence of his speech was dull and very out of character. I wondered at the time what he had just been through and couldn't reveal. What was/is going on behind the scenes?
 

evenso

Veteran Member
Not really that likely. Closed head injuries (aka TBI, Traumatic Brain Injuries, commonly and previously called concussions) don't always manifest symptoms immediately. Or, more accurately, it's almost impossible to tell what are temporary, minor (and expected) signs after hitting your head, or being too close to a concussive blast or shock, and what are the earliest sign of a TBI.

When our youngest son fell 22 feet, landing on his face, he never lost consciousness. He clearly wasn't "right" (he was walking like someone in a zombie movie, and just kept repeating, "I broke my face"), but the CT scan showed no bleeding, and he seemed ok within a few hours.

But he wasn't... and his symptoms went from minor/non-existent to major over the next few weeks. It wasn't until I got him in to see a specialist in TBI that we discovered what the l9cal quacks were calling "typical teenage passive aggressive behavior" was in fact, due to him suffering from 2-3 absence seizure (formerly called petit mal seizures) an hour!

A CT scan 6 weeks later showed signs of "lesions" on his brain, in the classic area for a contra coup injury... what happens when your brain bounces around inside the skull.

However, anyone who didn't know him well wouldn't have noticed anything "off" about him... unless they were talking to him when he suddenly had a seizure.

When you add in the fact that these are soldiers... mostly young, fit, and in a job where "tough" is part of the job description... and it's not at all surprising they didn't report symptoms right away. Not even taking into consideration the other circumstances... in a war zone, with a good possibility they could have been under continued attack, etc...

Summerthyme
I can NOT imagine what you, as a parent, went through as you watched your son. Yikes! Is he OK now?
 

summerthyme

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I can NOT imagine what you, as a parent, went through as you watched your son. Yikes! Is he OK now?
Yep... even after a bad car wreck 5 years later, where he flipped a heavy Buick Regal and went head on into a 3 foot tree stump, breaking it off and pushing it sbout 15 feet into a field. His seatbelt broke, and his head spidered the windshield. He called us just before losing consciousness, and after calling 911, we got to the wreck just in time to see him have a grand mal seizure. The paramedics called in a helicopter, and life flighted him (in a coma, on a respirator) to the closest trauma center. He walked out of the hospital 5 days later, essentially without a scratch... but with another severe concussion. 8 months later, he made Phi Beta Kappa in college!

He does realize thst he needs to be careful to avoid another concussion! Let's just say his guardian angel probably has PTSD!

Summerthyme
 

jward

passin' thru
More US troops have left Iraq for medical treatment after Iranian missile attack, Pentagon says

By DAN LAMOTHE | The Washington Post | Published: January 21, 2020
More U.S. service members have been transported out of Iraq for medical treatment and evaluations following Iran's missile attack, the Pentagon said Tuesday, nearly two weeks after President Donald Trump and defense officials said no one was hurt.
The Pentagon said Friday that the military had transported 11 service members out of Iraq for treatment and assessments. U.S. military officials declined to say on Tuesday how many more are receiving care but said "additional" troops had been sent to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany.
The officials left open the possibility that the number could increase in coming days.
"The health and safety of all service members is the greatest concern for all Department leadership and we greatly appreciate the care that these members have received and continue to receive at the hands of our medical professionals," U.S. Central Command said in a statement. "As medical treatment and evaluations in theater continue, additional service members have been identified as having potential injuries."

The statement did not address the condition of the first 11 service members transported out of Iraq, and U.S. defense officials said Tuesday evening that they did not have more information about them to share.

The injuries surfaced after Iranian forces launched 11 missiles on Jan. 8 at Ain al-Asad air base west of Baghdad and one into the northern city of Irbil in retaliation for the U.S. killing of Iranian Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani, who U.S. officials say was connected to the deaths of hundreds of U.S. troops over the last 20 years. More than 1,000 U.S. service members were at Al Asad at the time of the attack, U.S. defense officials have said.

The barrage left deep craters and charred wreckage in several locations on the Iraqi base. U.S. officials initially said no service members were killed or wounded, and signaled that the United States was not looking for additional armed conflict with Iran.

"No Americans were harmed in last night's attack by the Iranian regime. We suffered no casualties. All of our soldiers are safe, and only minimal damage was sustained at our military bases," Trump said soon after the attack.

But concussion-like symptoms -- which sometimes do not manifest themselves immediately -- have prompted an increasing amount of medical attention.

On Jan. 13, military officials at Al Asad told The Washington Post that "dozens" of service members were suffering from concussion-like symptoms. Jonathan Hoffman, the chief Pentagon spokesman, said Friday that the first three left on a regularly scheduled flight to Camp Arifjan in Kuwait on Jan. 10.

Eight more American service members left on another regularly scheduled flight to Landstuhl on Jan. 15. Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper was notified of the 11 patients that day, and defense officials disclosed the treatment that day, Hoffman said. Defense One first reported the evacuations that night.

Hoffman said Friday that Trump's remarks to the nation the morning after the attack were "accurate," and reflected "truthful information that he received." Initial reporting from U.S. commanders in Iraq to the Pentagon said no Americans had suffered loss of life, limb or eyesight, following Defense Department reporting requirements, he said.

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jward

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...O my. 2020 was a year to remember by day 2. Feels like years ago...
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Solleimani was killed exactly 3 months ago.

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