Farm Cow Gestation/Birth Questions

Kathy in WV

Down on the Farm...
I'm happy to say I have 2 bred cows coming due this summer! I knew about the one coming in August because it was a planned breeding. But I was totally surprised to find out my Charolais gal is bred. She was running with an 8 month old Holstien bull and apparently he managed to catch her. She was so much taller than him and I just didn't expect him to manage it.

Anyway, this will be the first calf born here and Im not experienced with cows. Yesterday she was sliming quite a bit and over the last 2 weeks she has grown huge. She was laying in the sun yesterday and it looked like a bloated cow. Her back end looks almost turned inside out, very soft and jiggly. She has some udder development but she doesn't look filled with milk in any way yet.

I know cows can slime weeks ahead of time, so am I probably looking at several weeks yet? Is there any signs to help me narrow the window a bit? Its her first calf so Im just watching her for signs.
 

summerthyme

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It's harder to tell on beef cows than dairy cows, for sure! But if she's loosening up around her tailhead, and her vulva is getting soft and swollen, she's getting close. The "cords" (the ligaments and tendons around her tailhead) will get very soft and "fall away" around 12 hours before calving. The "sliming", I assume, is vaginal mucus. That's normal, and in fact, they produce it all through pregnancy. They also will produce copious mucus when they're in heat, but at that time, unless they have an infection, the mucous will be crystal clear and rather thin. "Fetal mucus",OTOH (not an "official" name, but what we've always called it)- what they produce while pregnant- is thicker and stickier, and also just a bit opaque. If you see a THICK (1-2") "string" of rather opaque mucous hanging from her vulva, she has just lost her "mucus plug" that kept the cervix sealed for the last 9 months, and she's in early labor.

Beef cows do a much better job of "hiding" their labor than dairy cows, in our experience. Last week, we had checked over Barbie, a 2 year old Dexter heifer, at 5 pm. She was due the day before, and we knew she was getting close, but after checking her, I didn't think she was calving that night.

TWO HOURS later, I was taking the dogs to the kennel for the night, and shining my flashlight on cow butts, like always. And there Barbie was, in a puddle of amniotic fluid and colostrum, with a tiny black hoof and a navy blue tongue sticking out! I hurried the dogs to the pen, dashed back to the house to get another layer on (it was cold and I thought I was just kenneling the dogs, not spending an hour on a calving!) and fortunately, hubby decided to come out with me. At the time, I thought that I'd seen two feet... but the one leg was back at the shoulder, with the knee wedged under her pelvis.

It took me an eternity to be able to push the calf all the way back in and finally manage to manipulate the leg to get the tiny hoof in position (and I finally had to give her a spinal, as she was pushing so hard) but we saved them both.

That's RARE... but it's something to be watching for. What you MUST see (or feel... and don't hesitate to wash up and reach inside the vaginal tract to make sure the calf is straight) is two feet, "right side up", and a nose lying on top (or slightly to the side) of the legs.

If you have two feet presenting, but they're upside down, you must figure out whether they are front or back feet, and you need to do it before they get far enough out that you can't change things! So, you slide your hand up a leg and feel around until you figure out if it's knees or hocks! If it's knees, the entire calf is upside down, and must be turned. This is a job for a vet or an experienced farmer... I've done it multiple times, but it's WORK. If it's hocks, you've got a breech, and you'll want to pull it as quickly as possible, in order to save it.

But most of the time, everything will be fine, and the first you'll know about it is when you walk out in the morning and find a calf standing next to mama!

If you're able to handle her without being kicked, one "sign" of impending labor and birth is when the teats fill out... they won't get firm or tight in a beef cow, but there will be milk (colostrum) down at their ends. If she's actually dripping colostrum, she's almost certainly in labor (certain high producing dairy cows can break this rule occasionally, but it's rare). Once you see one dripping colostrum, get them into a secure area, and start checking them every half hour or so.

After she calves, offer as much lukewarm water as she wants to drink (old breeders trick... they're "empty" after getting rid of 200# or so of calf and fluid, and letting them drink their fill seems to help them pass the placenta and recover faster), check the calf's navel (if it's broken off right at the belly, you need to make sure there isn't an opening in the belly wall... if there is, it needs a stitch or two. If it's not stitched, either the cow will pull the guts out while she's cleaning the baby off, or they'll start working their way out when it stands. It doesn't usually happen except in a difficult calving with a large calf, but it's something to watch for.

Once you've checked the navel and IF possible, that all four "faucets" work on the cow (DO NOT GET HURT!! If the cow is acting at all aggressive, get out and let nature figure it out!), then just watch on and off over the next 3-4 hours to make sure the calf is up and sucking. If it can't/doesn't get the idea within 6 hours, you'll have to milk the cow and bottle feed the calf, because that colostrum is LIFE. Without it, no matter how much treatment you do, the chances of a calf surviving long is pretty low.

I'm guessing from your description that you may have a calf within a week, if not sooner.

Summerthyme
 

FireDance

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I watched a black angus last Sunday as she was laying down, up, circling and repeat. Anyway about an hour passed (I timed it bc I thought it was an odd time of day to be calving) and boom calf was out, up and suckling. It was FAST. Of course even from across the road I (thought) I could see wee hooves about the time I noticed her circling so in theory she had been in labor for some time. Unfortunately I have been watching the show about the Danish vet in WI? and expected to have to call the owner and tell him she was in trouble lol. Fortunately nature works very well and you don't have to worry TOO much. This guy runs a HUGE herd around us and I've not seen him dig any cow holes. He did have to put down three horses after they were poisoned this fall but that's another tale!
 

summerthyme

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LOL! Yeah, vets see all the BAD ones... but almost never the vast, vast majority of normal births. Fortunately, cows can go for quite a long time in labor and still produce a live calf (unlike horses, where you have a VERY narrow window once they start foaling).

I'm always torn between providing too many warnings or none... the chances of any particular birth being a problem are low, but non-zero. And the chances of a disaster if you don't find the problems fairly early in the process can be pretty high- and ugly. I once was asked to help a neighbor deliver a beef calf... it turned out to be a frank breech (just the tail presenting) AND the calf had been dead for at least 12 hours. It was physically impossible to get the calf out- even if a vet had done a C-section, we would have had to cut the calf out in pieces. As it turned out, they had noticed her showing signs of calving the previous morning (Easter Sunday) but ignored her. They called me because after calling six vets Monday morning (when they finally figured out she was in trouble) not one of them could get there before Tuesday afternoon!

They ended up butchering the cow. It was frustrating, because if they'd gotten help 18 hours earlier, it would have been a big job, but the calf could have been straighted out and pulled backwards- they probably would have lost the calf, but not the cow.

Summerthyme
 

FireDance

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Interestingly the last program I saw w this get had him cutting up a calf in utero and removing it bc the bloody farmer hadn't bothered to call the FIRST day of distress. Vet used what appeared to be a wire (think it had teeth on it) and WORKED like a dog to cut the calf up and then remove w a pulled. Cow lived but it shouldn't have been that bad (infection risk. Etc.). One of those times you wanna slap someone. Nature usually works in the majority of births and that goes for human too. I think we do WAY too much in human births but who wants to take that chance? There's probably not a good answer for the human moms/babies but I still believe most human babies would be fine if we left them alone. But again who wants to take the chance?
 

summerthyme

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I hear you!! Interestingly, I actually had some long talks with a young vet back when we were having our own babies at home... his wife eventually had four home births, but he was VERY leery of the whole idea (she insisted on birthing at home) I actually told him "you only see the problems... and contrary to your experience, they are RARE)

Babies can be simpler, because they don't have four legs to get all tangled up. A baby can be transverse, but that and a true dystocia (baby simply too large to fit through the pelvis) are the only *absolute* reasons for a C-section. (and a trained midwife can often turn a transverse baby, but not always)

In our 40 years and thousands of calvings, we never have had to have a C-section or take a calf out in pieces. However, I've been involved in two calvings in the past year- both on the same farm- which we simply could NOT pull, and which we had to get a vet to cut the calf up to get it out. Both cases were simple malnutrition (and in one case, a heifer who got bred way too young and no one noticed). Yep, there are times you REALLY want to hit someone. :-(

I learned early on how to do an internal check on a cow and KNOW whether or not things are going right. I don't know how many farmers (but not vets!) I had tell me I "overdid" it, and that I'd "cause infection" or damage or whatever. That was silly...99% of the time, if a cow gets infected it's because she doesn't pass the placenta... and the longer and harder the labor is, the less chance there is of her "cleaning".

And those rare surprises- like the calf which is coming just fine, except it's head is folded back at the shoulders AND tucked under it's chest (yep, saw that once... hardest work I've ever done in my life. Ended up having hubby push on the calf's head from the outside of the cow while I strained every muscle just catch the corner of it's mouth with one finger and slowly managing to get it straight)- are MUCH better found early!

Summerthyme
 

Faroe

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I only remember one problem birth from when I worked at a dairy. We many dozens of births over the course of my time there. In the one case, the calf died before birth. The owner and I had to both had to pull it out with rope from inside. The hoofs came off in the process. Gross, but the cow lived. In the few instances I was around the cow at the time, the calf was born quickly, and silently. Goats make a much bigger fuss about it.

Blood calcium imbalance after birth in older cows was a much bigger concern for us. We kept a drench. That usually set them straight. In two cases, I was working alone, the drench wasn't effective, and I had to call the vet.
 

Kathy in WV

Down on the Farm...
Quiick update here, and thank you all for such excellent information in your posts. Did a late night check and shes calm and bedded down for the night. Her udder is pretty hard now, her teats are very firm but not dripping yet. I think the mucus we saw may have been her plug after all.

How long can early labor last? Shes definitely not appearing to be in active labor yet. She has layed around a lot today... up and down and stretching out flat.

I should clarify shes a cross between Charolais, Hereford & Holstein, so theres some dairy there. Getting anxious here..... of course its raining tonight too. My animals seem to love giving birth during storms at 2:00 AM :lol:
 

summerthyme

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I'm on my kindle, so this has to be brief...(Kathy breathes a big sigh of relief)

Early (1st stage) can last several hours...longer in first calf heifers. The signs you are seeing (especially getting up and down, etc are frequently signs of early labor, although we have seen them goo on for several days in a cow carrying an uncomfortably heavy calf.

Watch for her to start walking in circles (or treading in place if you have her tied...we call it "dancing". That's usually a sign of active labor heading towards second stage.

These are the cows who taught me how to do an internal exam and judge whether one was in labor at all, and how far along she might be. I can handle an occasional all-nighter when I must, but when I was delivering eighty calves a year, it was impossible, especially staging up all night a few times only to discover she was in false labor.

I'll elaborate more tomorrow...it fits right in with the chapter of my book I'm working on.

(Oh! One rule of thumb...if she starts looking real thoughtful, like she's trying to solve the problems of the universe, or like she's "looking inward"...she's probably in labor...cows aren't real deep thinkers.)

Summerthyme
 

FireDance

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Your BOOK ?! Finally!!

Hmmm. I believe I've seen cows contemplating universal questions. Never put it together with the birth process though. So, why don't humans do this? You'd think it would be a might better than screaming. Of course maybe we do at a certain point and no one noticed. Stars... I see stars...
 

Kathy in WV

Down on the Farm...
Lol FireDance...

Summer! You're writing a book about cows? Or did I read that wrong? Hurry, lol, I need that book on my shelf. Husband checked earlier this morn and she's up and eating and not much else going on. He said her back ends like a bowl of jello sloshing around. Slap her on the butt and everything wiggles and jiggles. Teats are still plugged no dripping. She's definitely feeling heavy and moving slow and cumbersome. Tonights the blood moon, maybe that will trigger labor!!!!!!! lol
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
Kathy, do you have a calf yet? I'm still waiting (and waiting, and waiting, LOL!) on goat kids.

Summerthyme, you are actually working on your BOOK!!!!! Yay!! If you need beta readers, I'd love to be one! (I do that for my daughter who writes fiction.)

Kathleen
 

Kathy in WV

Down on the Farm...
No calf yet. I think were in a 2 week or so window based on what I've combined from all the cow folks giving me tips. Got a good feel of the ligaments and they're not completely gone but almost. No more changes with the udder yet, waiting for it to get waxy looking and tighter. I wait and I learn so its all good.
 

summerthyme

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LOL! Yeah, I'm trying to work on the book everyone has been begging me for! Not just about cows, but homesteading, herbs, growing your own food, etc... Getting it organized is my biggest issue right now. Thinking I'm going to do it sort of "by the calendar", as that cycle of life pretty well runs everything on the farm.

Anyway... I doubt you'll see anything major changing in her udder. Not quite sure what you're talking about in terms of "waxy looking"... a lot of people mistake the term "waxing" in mares to indicate how the udder or teats look, but what it really means is when a bit of the first colostrum ends up drying on the ends of the teats.. it feels and looks a lot like beeswax.

Beef cows often simply don't "bag up" like dairy cows. We've learned the hard way that once one of our Dexters shows a fairly developed udder, she's probably calving. The ligaments around the tailhead, along with milk IN the teats is probably the surest way to have some idea when they're calving. And they still can fool you!

Summerthyme
 

Kathy in WV

Down on the Farm...
Sometime between 4:00-- 8:00 AM we got a surprise baby. Probably closer to 7 or 8 because she was pretty wet and wobbly still. Helped her get the calf dry, it had already been nursing. Not a huge calf but she seems healthy and nurses well.

Hilarious watching her bunny hop all around. Her legs get tangled and down she goes! The cow seems to be a good momma, thankfully. I'm amazed she had this calf so fast for a first timer. She wasn't laboring at 4:00 and was done by 7 or 8:00.

Matt named her Glory.... cause you know....Glory comes in the morning, lol.
 

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summerthyme

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Wonderful! She'll figure out those little legs in a hurry, and then you'll have fun trying to catch her! Truly, if everything goes right, especially with beef cows, you often never have a clue ahead of time that they're calving. Part of that is because they're prey animals, and they don't want to appear vulnerable, but I swear sometimes they just plain like to fool us!

Summerthyme
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
Congratulations, Kathy! She's very pretty! And if the Holstein bull calf was her father, and her mom is part Holstein, she might make a great dairy cow for someone.

The goat I was waiting on had twins this afternoon. Juniper (my mentally handicapped daughter) saw the doe and one of the babies out near the bottom of the field, and the neighbor's female Rottie, who absolutely adores baby goats, had squeezed into my pasture from their yard, and was out there, too. (Not a problem, as the goats all know her and aren't bothered by her at all.) So I went out to check, and found a little black doe kid with moon spots by the hay shed; got her out of the pasture before she got trampled, as the rest of the goats had seen me and were coming at a run; then went down and got the other baby -- a really pretty silver with spots buckling. They are in the house in a dog crate and have had their first bottles -- momma wasn't too pleased about being milked (she's a first freshener), but we made a good start. Then the neighbor and I got Blondie, the dog, back into their yard, and I found and fixed the hole she'd squeezed through! And I can't do pictures right now. Sorry! But these are reg. Nubian kids and adorable!

Oh, and I'm trying to get Juniper to think of a name for the doe kid, since it's Juniper's birthday today (she's 35 -- hard to believe). I named the buckling Berrybank Silver Fox. (Berrybank is our farm name.)

Kathleen
 

Kathy in WV

Down on the Farm...
Kathleen, congrats to you too on the new babies. I kept goats for years and years. Just recently went to cows. The cows are just more suited to my farm here. Aaahhhh..... Spring babies everywhere. (:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY JUNIPER!!!!!!!!
 

Faroe

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Congrats, all!
Sounds like a memorable birthday for Juniper.

Up to our knees in spring babies too. Rabbits esp. Every time I turn around, someone has had a new litter. I'm already butchering the oldest ones from the first litters.

We are on baby watch for the goat, Elsbeth. She is due tomorrow, but her shape changed dramatically last night. Ligaments mostly gone. Love the taste of her milk, she is a good doe. She is HUGE. I expect she has three in there (again).
 

Kathy in WV

Down on the Farm...
That shield on her forehead is truly symmetrical. Whats really funny is she has two types of hair. The brown is crinkly and short while the white is an inch longer and like silk. Its so odd!
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
That shield on her forehead is truly symmetrical. Whats really funny is she has two types of hair. The brown is crinkly and short while the white is an inch longer and like silk. Its so odd!

I've noticed with sheep that different colors of wool have different textures. It is interesting.

Kathleen
 
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