bw
Fringe Ranger
Generally speaking, when we see light that originated a million light-years away, it happened a million years ago, yes.
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Generally speaking, when we see light that originated a million light-years away, it happened a million years ago, yes.
Jubilee on Earth
Veteran Member
bw
Fringe Ranger
It happened a million years ago. Now the light/gamma rays are getting here.
willowlady
Veteran Member
No. If gamma rays were emitted as the result of a cosmic event, we would see it happening and the gamma ray burst would arrive at virtually the same time. That is NOT something you can prepare for with adequate warning. I don't know about other kinds of energy waves, maybe gravity waves or something. But NOT gamma rays. If it's something detected any length of time ago, then it's not a gamma ray burst.
bw
Fringe Ranger
jed turtle
a brother in the Lord
I make cookies disappear. What's your super power?
Jubilee on Earth
Veteran Member
Okay, hear me out. They're still seeing this with very high powered telescopes, not with the naked eye. So the light and the pulse is STILL many, many light years away. So how is it going to arrive in two weeks?
Even if something happened in our galaxy, it would take forever to get here. Not in our lifetime. This is outside our galaxy.
I don't know... maybe my mind just can't comprehend this. I guess it doesn't really matter. I'm just trying to figure it out.
Sandune
Veteran Member
Quite right. If this was an extinction event GRB, the electronics on the Voyagers would have been fried the instant the gamma rays hit them. We wouldn't know until 19 hours later, but then we still wouldn't know.
Check here for NASA's link on the Voyagers: http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/where/
willowlady
Veteran Member
As I understand it, there is no telescope of any kind (VLA, Radio, optic, etc.) that can detect a cosmic event sooner than the light from that event arrives here. So, if we "saw" it using any means, unless you are speaking of a garden variety explosion, the truly dangerous stuff would have arrived at the same time we "saw" the event. Our detection systems show that Betelgeuse in the constellation Orion is going to go supernova. And it only represents a danger to earth if it creates gamma ray jet that is aimed at us. If that happens, we'll experience the effects shortly after we "see" the event. BUT that may happen tomorrow or in a million years.
Sandune
Veteran Member
Should Betelgeuse go nova today, we would not know of the event until 640 years pass. And if it did, the make up of the star is such that it would not produce the gamma ray jets that would wipe us out. Most likely it will look like the Crab Nebula did to Chinese astronomers 1054 AD. Being as close and big as it is it would be as bright as Jupiter for months on end.
Here is what the Crab Nebula looks like today:
Jubilee on Earth
Veteran Member
Should Betelgeuse go nova today, we would not know of the event until 640 years pass. And if it did, the make up of the star is such that it would not produce the gamma ray jets that would wipe us out. Most likely it will look like the Crab Nebula did to Chinese astronomers 1054 AD. Being as close and big as it is it would be as bright as Jupiter for months on end.
Here is what the Crab Nebula looks like today:
Man, that is super cool...!
almost ready
Inactive
There was an anomalous reversal to the solar wind in October and this seems to be the basis of BP's claim. He says that his friend, the preacher, knew it was coming and predicted it based on some calculation. The solar wind was countered by an incoming energetic flow which does show on the magnetic field (earth's) imagery, with earth's magnetic field responding.
Well, that's a powerful claim and there should be some evidence of this. Don't follow BP, as his earlier writings seemed pretty extreme and unsubstantiated. So if this Mike around the World really did have videos which made these claims, they should be available to view. Looked for Mike's stuff, and it is overlong and packed full of end times talk. If there is evidence of calculations and dates, it should be brought forward, and not lost in some hours-long ramblings.
Also, that October surge of energy was recognized and discussed elsewhere, and attributed to another cause, closer to home. One group that prefers anonymity and uses "Higher Truth Channel" as their name, DID predict this bump, and I saw their earlier claim, as well as the follow-up videos. It was something about earth passing through an energetic cone between the sun and the brown dwarf beyond Pluto. You can see the rise in relativistic electrons (could be seen at spaceweathernews.com) without the usual rise in protons that we get when they rise as a result of a solar event, during and for about a month after this event (IIRC the big smack was on October 14).
In fact, there is a paper that attributes these relativistic electrons to the solar wind interacting with the Van Allen best, causing a type of ionic rain which comes down towards us, as the known cause. So their rise in the absence of solar intrusion and proton rise is curious, and cause for speculation.
So unless some sort of calculations, more data, arises from BP, going to pass on this one. Something unusual has been observed and recorded. Everything else is a best guess at best.
This feels like we're kids in the wide world for the first time, and guessing from a too-limited knowledge base what we're seeing. Cosmic kindergarten.
Well, that's a powerful claim and there should be some evidence of this. Don't follow BP, as his earlier writings seemed pretty extreme and unsubstantiated. So if this Mike around the World really did have videos which made these claims, they should be available to view. Looked for Mike's stuff, and it is overlong and packed full of end times talk. If there is evidence of calculations and dates, it should be brought forward, and not lost in some hours-long ramblings.
Also, that October surge of energy was recognized and discussed elsewhere, and attributed to another cause, closer to home. One group that prefers anonymity and uses "Higher Truth Channel" as their name, DID predict this bump, and I saw their earlier claim, as well as the follow-up videos. It was something about earth passing through an energetic cone between the sun and the brown dwarf beyond Pluto. You can see the rise in relativistic electrons (could be seen at spaceweathernews.com) without the usual rise in protons that we get when they rise as a result of a solar event, during and for about a month after this event (IIRC the big smack was on October 14).
In fact, there is a paper that attributes these relativistic electrons to the solar wind interacting with the Van Allen best, causing a type of ionic rain which comes down towards us, as the known cause. So their rise in the absence of solar intrusion and proton rise is curious, and cause for speculation.
So unless some sort of calculations, more data, arises from BP, going to pass on this one. Something unusual has been observed and recorded. Everything else is a best guess at best.
This feels like we're kids in the wide world for the first time, and guessing from a too-limited knowledge base what we're seeing. Cosmic kindergarten.
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bw
Fringe Ranger
They use telescopes to magnify the light that arrives, but telescopes don't change the distance or literally bring things closer. What you see in a telescope is the light that's arriving at it right then, not light that hasn't gotten there yet.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Another thing this fellow isn't considering is the isotope decay rate over time of ionizing radiation. How many light years away from us was this burst supposed to originate from? Lets look at a wiki entry on this subject for comparison;
The sources of most GRBs are billions of light years away from Earth, implying that the explosions are both extremely energetic (a typical burst releases as much energy in a few seconds as the Sun will in its entire 10-billion-year lifetime) and extremely rare (a few per galaxy per million years[7]). All observed GRBs have originated from outside the Milky Way galaxy, although a related class of phenomena, soft gamma repeater flares, are associated with magnetars within the Milky Way. It has been hypothesized that a gamma-ray burst in the Milky Way, pointing directly towards the Earth, could cause a mass extinction event.[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-ray_burst
Radioactive isotopes have a half life from seconds to hundreds of thousands of years longer. When you get a gamma source originating outside the galaxy by the time such a burst would arrive at the earth from millions of light years away or billions of light years if originated from outside the galaxy the energy of the ionizing radiation would of decayed to almost nothing. The scenario that this guy came up with would not be high on my radar to be concerned about.
dstraito
TB Fanatic
And turns you green!
Of course we are assuming that the properties in our universal are well, universal. There could be things we do not know about like time differences or dilation, space folds, and things we can not even imagine, even on Star Trek.
I'm sure it's not like driving through Mayberry RFD. It may take several hundred years as well as the effects.
Chair Warmer
Membership Revoked
I have heard an incident of people claiming to have seen dinosaurs in ghost like form, and many claim to have seen dogs, and horse ghosts.
Also... Just wondering if anyone knows if an aluminum siding home would offer any more protection than vinyl siding from radiation?
Hfcomms
EN66iq
No difference whatsoever from gamma type radiation as the only thing that stops gamma is shielding with mass. Layers of dirt, concrete, lead, or even water. The heavier the better. Both vinyl and metal siding would stop beta and alpha particles. Matter of fact even your skin is a barrier to alpha particles.
foreverkeeps
Veteran Member
You guys are so smart. I love reading all this. Can't wait for December 26th!
WisconsinGardener
Loony Member
I have yet to find anything that gives the main idea - a gamma ray pulse to hit earth around December 26 - any credibility. There are a few woo things that may (like my dream in Unex or possibly the "Space Goat Farts" of the webbots of 2011) be linked to this or maybe not. It is interesting that this executive order was given in October, 2016:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...g-efforts-prepare-nation-space-weather-events
The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
October 13, 2016
Executive Order -- Coordinating Efforts to Prepare the Nation for Space Weather Events
EXECUTIVE ORDER
- - - - - - -
COORDINATING EFFORTS TO PREPARE
THE NATION FOR SPACE WEATHER EVENTS
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and to prepare the Nation for space weather events, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Policy. Space weather events, in the form of solar flares, solar energetic particles, and geomagnetic disturbances, occur regularly, some with measurable effects on critical infrastructure systems and technologies, such as the Global Positioning System (GPS), satellite operations and communication, aviation, and the electrical power grid. Extreme space weather events -- those that could significantly degrade critical infrastructure -- could disable large portions of the electrical power grid, resulting in cascading failures that would affect key services such as water supply, healthcare, and transportation. Space weather has the potential to simultaneously affect and disrupt health and safety across entire continents. Successfully preparing for space weather events is an all-of-nation endeavor that requires partnerships across governments, emergency managers, academia, the media, the insurance industry, non-profits, and the private sector.
It is the policy of the United States to prepare for space weather events to minimize the extent of economic loss and human hardship. The Federal Government must have (1) the capability to predict and detect a space weather event, (2) the plans and programs necessary to alert the public and private sectors to enable mitigating actions for an impending space weather event, (3) the protection and mitigation plans, protocols, and standards required to reduce risks to critical infrastructure prior to and during a credible threat, and (4) the ability to respond to and recover from the effects of space weather. Executive departments and agencies (agencies) must coordinate their efforts to prepare for the effects of space weather events.
Sec. 2. Objectives. This order defines agency roles and responsibilities and directs agencies to take specific actions to prepare the Nation for the hazardous effects of space weather. These activities are to be implemented in conjunction with those identified in the 2015 National Space Weather Action Plan (Action Plan) and any subsequent updates. Implementing this order and the Action Plan will require the Federal Government to work across agencies and to develop, as appropriate, enhanced and innovative partnerships with State, tribal, and local governments; academia; non-profits; the private sector; and international partners. These efforts will enhance national preparedness and speed the creation of a space-weather-ready Nation.
Sec. 3. Coordination. (a) The Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP), in consultation with the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism and the Director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), shall coordinate the development and implementation of Federal Government activities to prepare the Nation for space weather events, including the activities established in section 5 of this order and the recommendations of the National Science and Technology Council (NSTC), established by Executive Order 12881 of November 23, 1993 (Establishment of the National Science and Technology Council).
(b) To ensure accountability for and coordination of research, development, and implementation of activities identified in this order and in the Action Plan, the NSTC shall establish a Space Weather Operations, Research, and Mitigation Subcommittee (Subcommittee). The Subcommittee member agencies shall conduct activities to advance the implementation of this order, to achieve the goals identified in the 2015 National Space Weather Strategy and any subsequent updates, and to coordinate and monitor the implementation of the activities specified in the Action Plan and provide subsequent updates.
Sec. 4. Roles and Responsibilities. To the extent permitted by law, the agencies below shall adopt the following roles and responsibilities, which are key to ensuring enhanced space weather forecasting, situational awareness, space weather preparedness, and continuous Federal Government operations during and after space weather events.
(a) The Secretary of Defense shall ensure the timely provision of operational space weather observations, analyses, forecasts, and other products to support the mission of the Department of Defense and coalition partners, including the provision of alerts and warnings for space weather phenomena that may affect weapons systems, military operations, or the defense of the United States.
(b) The Secretary of the Interior shall support the research, development, deployment, and operation of capabilities that enhance the understanding of variations of the Earth's magnetic field associated with solar-terrestrial interactions.
(c) The Secretary of Commerce shall:
(i) provide timely and accurate operational space weather forecasts, watches, warnings, alerts, and real-time space weather monitoring for the government, civilian, and commercial sectors, exclusive of the responsibilities of the Secretary of Defense; and
(ii) ensure the continuous improvement of operational space weather services, utilizing partnerships, as appropriate, with the research community, including academia and the private sector, and relevant agencies to develop, validate, test, and transition space weather observation platforms and models from research to operations and from operations to research.
(d) The Secretary of Energy shall facilitate the protection and restoration of the reliability of the electrical power grid during a presidentially declared grid security emergency associated with a geomagnetic disturbance pursuant to 16 U.S.C. 824o-1.
(e) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall:
(i) ensure the timely redistribution of space weather alerts and warnings that support national preparedness, continuity of government, and continuity of operations; and
(ii) coordinate response and recovery from the effects of space weather events on critical infrastructure and the broader community.
(f) The Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) shall:
(i) implement and support a national research program to understand the Sun and its interactions with Earth and the solar system to advance space weather modeling and prediction capabilities applicable to space weather forecasting;
(ii) develop and operate space-weather-related research missions, instrument capabilities, and models; and
(iii) support the transition of space weather models and technology from research to operations and from operations to research.
(g) The Director of the National Science Foundation (NSF) shall support fundamental research linked to societal needs for space weather information through investments and partnerships, as appropriate.
(h) The Secretary of State, in consultation with the heads of relevant agencies, shall carry out diplomatic and public diplomacy efforts to strengthen global capacity to respond to space weather events.
(i) The Secretaries of Defense, the Interior, Commerce, Transportation, Energy, and Homeland Security, along with the Administrator of NASA and the Director of NSF, shall work together, consistent with their ongoing activities, to develop models, observation systems, technologies, and approaches that inform and enhance national preparedness for the effects of space weather events, including how space weather events may affect critical infrastructure and change the threat landscape with respect to other hazards.
(j) The heads of all agencies that support National Essential Functions, defined by Presidential Policy Directive 40 (PPD-40) of July 15, 2016 (National Continuity Policy), shall ensure that space weather events are adequately addressed in their all-hazards preparedness planning, including mitigation, response, and recovery, as directed by PPD-8 of March 30, 2011 (National Preparedness).
(k) NSTC member agencies shall coordinate through the NSTC to establish roles and responsibilities beyond those identified in section 4 of this order to enhance space weather preparedness, consistent with each agency's legal authority.
Sec. 5. Implementation. (a) Within 120 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Energy, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, shall develop a plan to test and evaluate available devices that mitigate the effects of geomagnetic disturbances on the electrical power grid through the development of a pilot program that deploys such devices, in situ, in the electrical power grid. After the development of the plan, the Secretary shall implement the plan in collaboration with industry. In taking action pursuant to this subsection, the Secretaries of Energy and Homeland Security shall consult with the Chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission.
(b) Within 120 days of the date of this order, the heads of the sector-specific agencies that oversee the lifeline critical infrastructure functions as defined by the National Infrastructure Protection Plan of 2013 -- including communications, energy, transportation, and water and wastewater systems -- as well as the Nuclear Reactors, Materials, and Waste Sector, shall assess their executive and statutory authority, and limits of that authority, to direct, suspend, or control critical infrastructure operations, functions, and services before, during, and after a space weather event. The heads of each sector-specific agency shall provide a summary of these assessments to the Subcommittee.
(c) Within 90 days of receipt of the assessments ordered in section 5(b) of this order, the Subcommittee shall provide a report on the findings of these assessments with recommendations to the Director of OSTP, the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, and the Director of OMB. The assessments may be used to inform the development and implementation of policy establishing authorities and responsibilities for agencies in response to a space weather event.
(d) Within 60 days of the date of this order, the Secretaries of Defense and Commerce, the Administrator of NASA, and the Director of NSF, in collaboration with other agencies as appropriate, shall identify mechanisms for advancing space weather observations, models, and predictions, and for sustaining and transitioning appropriate capabilities from research to operations and operations to research, collaborating with industry and academia to the extent possible.
(e) Within 120 days of the date of this order, the Secretaries of Defense and Commerce shall make historical data from the GPS constellation and other U.S. Government satellites publicly available, in accordance with Executive Order 13642 of May 9, 2013 (Making Open and Machine Readable the New Default for Government Information), to enhance model validation and improvements in space weather forecasting and situational awareness.
(f) Within 120 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Homeland Security, through the Administrator of the Federal Emergency Management Agency and in coordination with relevant agencies, shall lead the development of a coordinated Federal operating concept and associated checklist to coordinate Federal assets and activities to respond to notification of, and protect against, impending space weather events. Within 180 days of the publication of the operating concept and checklist, agencies shall develop operational plans documenting their procedures and responsibilities to prepare for, protect against, and mitigate the effects of impending space weather events, in support of the Federal operating concept and compatible with the National Preparedness System described in PPD-8.
Sec. 6. Stakeholder Engagement. The agencies identified in this order shall seek public-private and international collaborations to enhance observation networks, conduct research, develop prediction models and mitigation approaches, enhance community resilience and preparedness, and supply the services necessary to protect life and property and promote economic prosperity, as consistent with law.
Sec. 7. Definitions. As used in this order:
(a) "Prepare" and "preparedness" have the same meaning they have in PPD-8. They refer to the actions taken to plan, organize, equip, train, and exercise to build and sustain the capabilities necessary to prevent, protect against, mitigate the effects of, respond to, and recover from those threats that pose the greatest risk to the security of the Nation. This includes the prediction and notification of space weather events.
(b) "Space weather" means variations in the space environment between the Sun and Earth (and throughout the solar system) that can affect technologies in space and on Earth. The primary types of space weather events are solar flares, solar energetic particles, and geomagnetic disturbances.
(c) "Solar flare" means a brief eruption of intense energy on or near the Sun's surface that is typically associated with sunspots.
(d) "Solar energetic particles" means ions and electrons ejected from the Sun that are typically associated with solar eruptions.
(e) "Geomagnetic disturbance" means a temporary disturbance of Earth's magnetic field resulting from solar activity.
(f) "Critical infrastructure" has the meaning provided in section 1016(e) of the USA Patriot Act of 2001 (42 U.S.C. 5195c(e)), namely systems and assets, whether physical or virtual, so vital to the United States that the incapacity or destruction of such systems and assets would have a debilitating impact on security, national economic security, national public health or safety, or any combination of those matters.
(g) "Sector-Specific Agency" means the agencies designated under PPD-21 of February 12, 2013 (Critical Infrastructure Security and Resilience), or any successor directive, to be responsible for providing institutional knowledge and specialized expertise as well as leading, facilitating, or supporting the security and resilience programs and associated activities of its designated critical infrastructure sector in the all-hazards environment. Sec. 8. General Provisions.
(a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
(i) the authority granted by law to an agency, or the head thereof; or (ii) the functions of the Director of OMB relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
BARACK OBAMA
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...g-efforts-prepare-nation-space-weather-events
The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
October 13, 2016
Executive Order -- Coordinating Efforts to Prepare the Nation for Space Weather Events
EXECUTIVE ORDER
- - - - - - -
COORDINATING EFFORTS TO PREPARE
THE NATION FOR SPACE WEATHER EVENTS
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and to prepare the Nation for space weather events, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Policy. Space weather events, in the form of solar flares, solar energetic particles, and geomagnetic disturbances, occur regularly, some with measurable effects on critical infrastructure systems and technologies, such as the Global Positioning System (GPS), satellite operations and communication, aviation, and the electrical power grid. Extreme space weather events -- those that could significantly degrade critical infrastructure -- could disable large portions of the electrical power grid, resulting in cascading failures that would affect key services such as water supply, healthcare, and transportation. Space weather has the potential to simultaneously affect and disrupt health and safety across entire continents. Successfully preparing for space weather events is an all-of-nation endeavor that requires partnerships across governments, emergency managers, academia, the media, the insurance industry, non-profits, and the private sector.
It is the policy of the United States to prepare for space weather events to minimize the extent of economic loss and human hardship. The Federal Government must have (1) the capability to predict and detect a space weather event, (2) the plans and programs necessary to alert the public and private sectors to enable mitigating actions for an impending space weather event, (3) the protection and mitigation plans, protocols, and standards required to reduce risks to critical infrastructure prior to and during a credible threat, and (4) the ability to respond to and recover from the effects of space weather. Executive departments and agencies (agencies) must coordinate their efforts to prepare for the effects of space weather events.
Sec. 2. Objectives. This order defines agency roles and responsibilities and directs agencies to take specific actions to prepare the Nation for the hazardous effects of space weather. These activities are to be implemented in conjunction with those identified in the 2015 National Space Weather Action Plan (Action Plan) and any subsequent updates. Implementing this order and the Action Plan will require the Federal Government to work across agencies and to develop, as appropriate, enhanced and innovative partnerships with State, tribal, and local governments; academia; non-profits; the private sector; and international partners. These efforts will enhance national preparedness and speed the creation of a space-weather-ready Nation.
Sec. 3. Coordination. (a) The Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP), in consultation with the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism and the Director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), shall coordinate the development and implementation of Federal Government activities to prepare the Nation for space weather events, including the activities established in section 5 of this order and the recommendations of the National Science and Technology Council (NSTC), established by Executive Order 12881 of November 23, 1993 (Establishment of the National Science and Technology Council).
(b) To ensure accountability for and coordination of research, development, and implementation of activities identified in this order and in the Action Plan, the NSTC shall establish a Space Weather Operations, Research, and Mitigation Subcommittee (Subcommittee). The Subcommittee member agencies shall conduct activities to advance the implementation of this order, to achieve the goals identified in the 2015 National Space Weather Strategy and any subsequent updates, and to coordinate and monitor the implementation of the activities specified in the Action Plan and provide subsequent updates.
Sec. 4. Roles and Responsibilities. To the extent permitted by law, the agencies below shall adopt the following roles and responsibilities, which are key to ensuring enhanced space weather forecasting, situational awareness, space weather preparedness, and continuous Federal Government operations during and after space weather events.
(a) The Secretary of Defense shall ensure the timely provision of operational space weather observations, analyses, forecasts, and other products to support the mission of the Department of Defense and coalition partners, including the provision of alerts and warnings for space weather phenomena that may affect weapons systems, military operations, or the defense of the United States.
(b) The Secretary of the Interior shall support the research, development, deployment, and operation of capabilities that enhance the understanding of variations of the Earth's magnetic field associated with solar-terrestrial interactions.
(c) The Secretary of Commerce shall:
(i) provide timely and accurate operational space weather forecasts, watches, warnings, alerts, and real-time space weather monitoring for the government, civilian, and commercial sectors, exclusive of the responsibilities of the Secretary of Defense; and
(ii) ensure the continuous improvement of operational space weather services, utilizing partnerships, as appropriate, with the research community, including academia and the private sector, and relevant agencies to develop, validate, test, and transition space weather observation platforms and models from research to operations and from operations to research.
(d) The Secretary of Energy shall facilitate the protection and restoration of the reliability of the electrical power grid during a presidentially declared grid security emergency associated with a geomagnetic disturbance pursuant to 16 U.S.C. 824o-1.
(e) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall:
(i) ensure the timely redistribution of space weather alerts and warnings that support national preparedness, continuity of government, and continuity of operations; and
(ii) coordinate response and recovery from the effects of space weather events on critical infrastructure and the broader community.
(f) The Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) shall:
(i) implement and support a national research program to understand the Sun and its interactions with Earth and the solar system to advance space weather modeling and prediction capabilities applicable to space weather forecasting;
(ii) develop and operate space-weather-related research missions, instrument capabilities, and models; and
(iii) support the transition of space weather models and technology from research to operations and from operations to research.
(g) The Director of the National Science Foundation (NSF) shall support fundamental research linked to societal needs for space weather information through investments and partnerships, as appropriate.
(h) The Secretary of State, in consultation with the heads of relevant agencies, shall carry out diplomatic and public diplomacy efforts to strengthen global capacity to respond to space weather events.
(i) The Secretaries of Defense, the Interior, Commerce, Transportation, Energy, and Homeland Security, along with the Administrator of NASA and the Director of NSF, shall work together, consistent with their ongoing activities, to develop models, observation systems, technologies, and approaches that inform and enhance national preparedness for the effects of space weather events, including how space weather events may affect critical infrastructure and change the threat landscape with respect to other hazards.
(j) The heads of all agencies that support National Essential Functions, defined by Presidential Policy Directive 40 (PPD-40) of July 15, 2016 (National Continuity Policy), shall ensure that space weather events are adequately addressed in their all-hazards preparedness planning, including mitigation, response, and recovery, as directed by PPD-8 of March 30, 2011 (National Preparedness).
(k) NSTC member agencies shall coordinate through the NSTC to establish roles and responsibilities beyond those identified in section 4 of this order to enhance space weather preparedness, consistent with each agency's legal authority.
Sec. 5. Implementation. (a) Within 120 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Energy, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, shall develop a plan to test and evaluate available devices that mitigate the effects of geomagnetic disturbances on the electrical power grid through the development of a pilot program that deploys such devices, in situ, in the electrical power grid. After the development of the plan, the Secretary shall implement the plan in collaboration with industry. In taking action pursuant to this subsection, the Secretaries of Energy and Homeland Security shall consult with the Chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission.
(b) Within 120 days of the date of this order, the heads of the sector-specific agencies that oversee the lifeline critical infrastructure functions as defined by the National Infrastructure Protection Plan of 2013 -- including communications, energy, transportation, and water and wastewater systems -- as well as the Nuclear Reactors, Materials, and Waste Sector, shall assess their executive and statutory authority, and limits of that authority, to direct, suspend, or control critical infrastructure operations, functions, and services before, during, and after a space weather event. The heads of each sector-specific agency shall provide a summary of these assessments to the Subcommittee.
(c) Within 90 days of receipt of the assessments ordered in section 5(b) of this order, the Subcommittee shall provide a report on the findings of these assessments with recommendations to the Director of OSTP, the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, and the Director of OMB. The assessments may be used to inform the development and implementation of policy establishing authorities and responsibilities for agencies in response to a space weather event.
(d) Within 60 days of the date of this order, the Secretaries of Defense and Commerce, the Administrator of NASA, and the Director of NSF, in collaboration with other agencies as appropriate, shall identify mechanisms for advancing space weather observations, models, and predictions, and for sustaining and transitioning appropriate capabilities from research to operations and operations to research, collaborating with industry and academia to the extent possible.
(e) Within 120 days of the date of this order, the Secretaries of Defense and Commerce shall make historical data from the GPS constellation and other U.S. Government satellites publicly available, in accordance with Executive Order 13642 of May 9, 2013 (Making Open and Machine Readable the New Default for Government Information), to enhance model validation and improvements in space weather forecasting and situational awareness.
(f) Within 120 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Homeland Security, through the Administrator of the Federal Emergency Management Agency and in coordination with relevant agencies, shall lead the development of a coordinated Federal operating concept and associated checklist to coordinate Federal assets and activities to respond to notification of, and protect against, impending space weather events. Within 180 days of the publication of the operating concept and checklist, agencies shall develop operational plans documenting their procedures and responsibilities to prepare for, protect against, and mitigate the effects of impending space weather events, in support of the Federal operating concept and compatible with the National Preparedness System described in PPD-8.
Sec. 6. Stakeholder Engagement. The agencies identified in this order shall seek public-private and international collaborations to enhance observation networks, conduct research, develop prediction models and mitigation approaches, enhance community resilience and preparedness, and supply the services necessary to protect life and property and promote economic prosperity, as consistent with law.
Sec. 7. Definitions. As used in this order:
(a) "Prepare" and "preparedness" have the same meaning they have in PPD-8. They refer to the actions taken to plan, organize, equip, train, and exercise to build and sustain the capabilities necessary to prevent, protect against, mitigate the effects of, respond to, and recover from those threats that pose the greatest risk to the security of the Nation. This includes the prediction and notification of space weather events.
(b) "Space weather" means variations in the space environment between the Sun and Earth (and throughout the solar system) that can affect technologies in space and on Earth. The primary types of space weather events are solar flares, solar energetic particles, and geomagnetic disturbances.
(c) "Solar flare" means a brief eruption of intense energy on or near the Sun's surface that is typically associated with sunspots.
(d) "Solar energetic particles" means ions and electrons ejected from the Sun that are typically associated with solar eruptions.
(e) "Geomagnetic disturbance" means a temporary disturbance of Earth's magnetic field resulting from solar activity.
(f) "Critical infrastructure" has the meaning provided in section 1016(e) of the USA Patriot Act of 2001 (42 U.S.C. 5195c(e)), namely systems and assets, whether physical or virtual, so vital to the United States that the incapacity or destruction of such systems and assets would have a debilitating impact on security, national economic security, national public health or safety, or any combination of those matters.
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BARACK OBAMA
imaginative
keep your eye on the ball
Happy Kwanzaa
LightEcho
Has No Life - Lives on TB
BPEarthwatch is a gulf coast bumpkin. I think of him as "Cooter". Uneducated. Simple. But persistent. I sometimes watch his videos for entertainment. He does not have depth of understanding so he tends to the hype side. Even worse than him is Paul Begley... who is bordering moronic. Both of these seem to be the only outlet for "Michael".
Cooter has been pushing the magnetopause reversal heavily. The problem with this is that it is just a computer model. As far as I know, there are no satellites or sensors way out in the areas they show ionic flow lines. Notice on his model pictures, the moon is that tiny circle at the top left. The "reversal" noted a couple times always seemed to happen when the moon was at that angle from the sun and earth. Anyone familiar with fluid dynamics knows about vortices being shed off blunt objects in a flow stream. The sensors are the satellites hugging the earth orbit... not out as far as the moon. They may be seeing a vortex at just the right moments and this makes the computer model calculate that there is an entire wave coming from behind the earth. Garbage in = garbage out.
Cooter has been pushing the magnetopause reversal heavily. The problem with this is that it is just a computer model. As far as I know, there are no satellites or sensors way out in the areas they show ionic flow lines. Notice on his model pictures, the moon is that tiny circle at the top left. The "reversal" noted a couple times always seemed to happen when the moon was at that angle from the sun and earth. Anyone familiar with fluid dynamics knows about vortices being shed off blunt objects in a flow stream. The sensors are the satellites hugging the earth orbit... not out as far as the moon. They may be seeing a vortex at just the right moments and this makes the computer model calculate that there is an entire wave coming from behind the earth. Garbage in = garbage out.
L.A.B.
Goodness before greatness.
WisconsinGardener's Post 103,
"I have yet to find anything that gives the main idea - a gamma ray pulse to hit earth around December 26 - any credibility. There are a few woo things that may (like my dream in Unex or possibly the "Space Goat Farts" of the webbots of 2011) be linked to this or maybe not. It is interesting that this executive order was given in October, 2016:"
OK, I'm just attempting to draw upon the unusual metaphor of "Space Goat" as it may coincide with something coming out of the Capricorn constellation.
Not that the bots have to make a lot of sense, but does any of the area of concern lie within the constellation of Capricorn?
"I have yet to find anything that gives the main idea - a gamma ray pulse to hit earth around December 26 - any credibility. There are a few woo things that may (like my dream in Unex or possibly the "Space Goat Farts" of the webbots of 2011) be linked to this or maybe not. It is interesting that this executive order was given in October, 2016:"
OK, I'm just attempting to draw upon the unusual metaphor of "Space Goat" as it may coincide with something coming out of the Capricorn constellation.
Not that the bots have to make a lot of sense, but does any of the area of concern lie within the constellation of Capricorn?
Snyper
Veteran Member
It doesn't take much to stop these non events.
jed turtle
a brother in the Lord
Everything is a non-event, until they happen. That's why preppers prep. Crap happens out of the blue on a disturbingly regular basis.
imaginative
keep your eye on the ball
Time to make an aluminum foil run....this morning is the massive earth changing blast
SmokeyBear
"Need to Know"
What time is this blast scheduled to occur today and why is there no online countdown clock? 
coloradohermit
Veteran Member
Did I miss it????
Hfcomms
EN66iq
A big nothing burger as expected. The more sensational the claim on the Internet the less likely it is to come to pass. This guy that penned the article will be quiet for a few weeks until everyone forgets about it and then he'll be back with another claim.
Official Space Weather Advisory issued by NOAA Space Weather Prediction Center
Boulder, Colorado, USA
SPACE WEATHER ADVISORY OUTLOOK #16-52
2016 December 25 at 9:30 p.m. MST (2016 December 26 0430 UTC)
**** SPACE WEATHER OUTLOOK ****
Summary For December 19-25
G2 (Moderate) storm levels were observed on 21 Dec due to the onset of coronal hole effects.
G1 (Minor) Storm levels were observed on 22 Dec as coronal hole effects persisted.
Outlook For December 26-January 1
G1 (Minor) conditions are expected on 26 Dec due to coronal hole effects.
No other significant space weather is expected.
Data used to provide space weather services are contributed by NOAA,
USAF, NASA, NSF, USGS, the International Space Environment Services
and other observatories, universities, and institutions. More
information is available at SWPC's Web site http://swpc.noaa.gov
Official Space Weather Advisory issued by NOAA Space Weather Prediction Center
Boulder, Colorado, USA
SPACE WEATHER ADVISORY OUTLOOK #16-52
2016 December 25 at 9:30 p.m. MST (2016 December 26 0430 UTC)
**** SPACE WEATHER OUTLOOK ****
Summary For December 19-25
G2 (Moderate) storm levels were observed on 21 Dec due to the onset of coronal hole effects.
G1 (Minor) Storm levels were observed on 22 Dec as coronal hole effects persisted.
Outlook For December 26-January 1
G1 (Minor) conditions are expected on 26 Dec due to coronal hole effects.
No other significant space weather is expected.
Data used to provide space weather services are contributed by NOAA,
USAF, NASA, NSF, USGS, the International Space Environment Services
and other observatories, universities, and institutions. More
information is available at SWPC's Web site http://swpc.noaa.gov
Marthanoir
TB Fanatic
What time is this blast scheduled to occur today and why is there no online countdown clock?
I'm doing dinner early just incase
I'm doing dinner early just incase
Be sure to eat dessert FIRST! In the movie "Her Alibi" everyone at a dinner party thought they had been poisoned and one woman's response was to grab the cheesecake and start shoveling it into her mouth. Ya gotta have your priorities straight!
Heliobas Disciple
TB Fanatic
The video in the OP that started all this was based on the work of another person. THAT person never said that it all ends today - he said a wave of energy will begin it's approach on the Dec 26th and will take TWO YEARS for us to pass through. He said to keep an eye on radiation, especially at higher elevations (in planes), and other strangeness as the wave passes through - including volcanic activity, eqs, weird magnetics, and weather. this is the first day of the wave, you're not going to see anything drastic today. I dont' know if it's true - it's something else to watch and see if this is an Aussie Bloke type deal or for real.
Meanwhile there have been really strange space weather anomalies these last few days. I just now heard a weather report on the radio that says they've never seen electrical storms like they are having in the mid-west before. The large eq's the last few weeks. Possible volcanic activity ramping up. Heart attacks on planes - 2 in one week that made news. (I'm sure they happen all the time, but both of these happened over the northern Atlantic - a specific region mentioned as showing higher solar particle radiation absorption). So there's always going to be some sort of event you can plug into the equation and say AH HA ! there it is. If you're looking for it.... Like a Rorschach test.
No one is going to know today or tomorrow or even next month if this guy has merit ..... This is one that's going to take time to prove one way or the other. And he specifically said there will be excuses made for each major event to point people away from this wave as the cause. A convenient out? That's the best way to come up with an internet meme that goes viral. So basically there's not going to be proof of this either way. It's going to be a some-believe-it, some-deny-it, some-call-it-wacky-conspiracy-theory type event.
HD
Meanwhile there have been really strange space weather anomalies these last few days. I just now heard a weather report on the radio that says they've never seen electrical storms like they are having in the mid-west before. The large eq's the last few weeks. Possible volcanic activity ramping up. Heart attacks on planes - 2 in one week that made news. (I'm sure they happen all the time, but both of these happened over the northern Atlantic - a specific region mentioned as showing higher solar particle radiation absorption). So there's always going to be some sort of event you can plug into the equation and say AH HA ! there it is. If you're looking for it.... Like a Rorschach test.
No one is going to know today or tomorrow or even next month if this guy has merit ..... This is one that's going to take time to prove one way or the other. And he specifically said there will be excuses made for each major event to point people away from this wave as the cause. A convenient out? That's the best way to come up with an internet meme that goes viral. So basically there's not going to be proof of this either way. It's going to be a some-believe-it, some-deny-it, some-call-it-wacky-conspiracy-theory type event.
HD
Heliobas Disciple
TB Fanatic
Again, BPearthwatch was talking about something that was said by someone going by the name Mike. Mike was recently interviewed and I think he says he is a scientist at a gov't agency with access to data that the average person doesn't have access to. He has more info than BP who is just working off what Mike has released before. I don't know if what he says is true, it's the internet!, but I don't judge the info based on BP picking it up and making it go viral.
Something else he said last week was watch for strange auroras. Things that haven't been seen before and that don't relate to sun spots. And right after I posted and signed off TB I checked my email and found this:
cue the twilight zone music...
Not saying it's true. I'm saying I am not discounting it without keeping an open mind. It's going to be a new way to translate data and see if it fits a new pattern. That's about it for me. I'm certainly not panicking or prepping any differently. And even if it is true, not a darn thing we can do about it, right? So worry about the things you can change, not the ones you can't.
HD
ETA: this is what it says on the Spaceweather page:
http://spaceweather.com/
(fair use applies)
Something else he said last week was watch for strange auroras. Things that haven't been seen before and that don't relate to sun spots. And right after I posted and signed off TB I checked my email and found this:
cue the twilight zone music...
Not saying it's true. I'm saying I am not discounting it without keeping an open mind. It's going to be a new way to translate data and see if it fits a new pattern. That's about it for me. I'm certainly not panicking or prepping any differently. And even if it is true, not a darn thing we can do about it, right? So worry about the things you can change, not the ones you can't.
HD
ETA: this is what it says on the Spaceweather page:
http://spaceweather.com/
(fair use applies)
I'M DREAMING OF A ... PINK CHRISTMAS?: Christmas Day 2016 brought a fantastic display of auroras to the Arctic Circle. A great many of them were pink. James Helmericks sends this picture from the Colville River Delta in northern Alaska:
"This was the brightest pink display I have ever seen, at one time even giving the snow a pink tinge," he says.
The pink color is probably a sign of nitrogen. Most auroras are green--a verdant glow caused by energetic particles from space hitting oxygen atoms 100 km to 300 km above Earth's surface. Seldom-seen pink appears when the energetic particles descend lower than usual, striking nitrogen molecules at the 100 km level and below. Such deep-penetrating particles are being produced by the solar wind stream now blowing around Earth.
On the days and nights around Christmas 2016, the pinks became so intense, they appeared white, not only to cameras, "but also to the naked eye," says Sarah Skinner, who witnessed the strange colors several nights in a row from Abisko, Sweden. "It looked like someone had photoshopped the sky!" she says.
More examples of this amazing display may be found in the aurora photo gallery
imaginative
keep your eye on the ball
Is this what took out George Michael?
