EBOLA Ebola in eye

mythreemonkeykids

Contributing Member
http://http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/05/08/health/weeks-after-his-recovery-ebola-lurked-in-a-doctors-eye.html?referrer=&_r=0
ATLANTA — When Dr. Ian Crozier was released from Emory University Hospital in October after a long, brutal fight with Ebola that nearly ended his life, his medical team thought he was cured. But less than two months later, he was back at the hospital with fading sight, intense pain and soaring pressure in his left eye.

Test results were chilling: The inside of Dr. Crozier’s eye was teeming with Ebola.

His doctors were amazed. They had considered the possibility that the virus had invaded his eye, but they had not really expected to find it. Months had passed since Dr. Crozier became ill while working in an Ebola treatment ward in Sierra Leone as a volunteer for the World Health Organization. By the time he left Emory, his blood was Ebola-free. Although the virus may persist in semen for months, other body fluids were thought to be clear of it once a patient recovered. Almost nothing was known about the ability of Ebola to lurk inside the eye.

Despite the infection within his eye, Dr. Crozier’s tears and the surface of his eye were virus-free, so he posed no risk to anyone who had casual contact with him.


Dr. Crozier's eyes were examined again on March 27 by Dr. Yeh at Emory Eye Center in Atlanta. Eye troubles are common among Ebola survivors.
KEVIN LILES FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES
More than a year after the epidemic in West Africa was recognized, doctors are still learning about the course of the disease and its lingering effects on survivors. Information about the aftermath of Ebola has been limited because past outbreaks were small: no more than a few hundred cases, often with death rates of 50 percent to 80 percent. But now, with at least 10,000 survivors in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, patterns are emerging.

A Secondary Problem

Dr. Crozier, 44, ruefully calls himself a poster child for “post-Ebola syndrome”: Besides eye trouble, he has had debilitating joint and muscle pain, deep fatigue and hearing loss. Similar problems are being reported in West Africa, but it is not clear how common, severe or persistent they are. There have even been reports of survivors left completely blind or deaf, but these accounts are anecdotal and unconfirmed.
 

almost ready

Inactive
Keep it as a stand-alone thread!

This is really huge. There have been many reports since last year of people having vision problems, and even going blind after ebola in Africa.

This report is the first hard evidence of what's going on.

Adding to this, the STD element, where a person transmitted it in Africa 5 months after being ill, via sex, (we don't really know if it was in semen or saliva or from skin contact, do we?), the illness has taken on a new life.

Kind of like you thought you killed the thing and then discovered it did just fine as a zombie.

Tens of thousands of mild cases and "recovered" out there.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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'Nuf said....
 

Faroe

Un-spun
Just another one of those things firmly declared to be completely safe, until it isn't.

The patient had a blood test and was declared to be virus free, until, as it turned out...they weren't.
Then, we hear: the virus is contained in the eye. But, it is still completely safe because it is inside.
The virus couldn't possibly get out.
....Don't be so paranoid!

Ebola reminds me of nuclear reactors.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
YES, PLEASE keep this thread open.

Not one word of this has been reported in the ATLANTA media.

Things like this need to be open and out there.


btw--any word on what they're going to have to do to cure his eye? Obviously, the virus "hid" in his eye fluids and the anti-virus drugs they gave him didn't penetrate to the virus there. So how are they going to treat it? Direct injections of anti-viral drugs in his eye? (I know, euw) Removal of the eye? Any word on that?
 

Faroe

Un-spun
YES, PLEASE keep this thread open.

Not one word of this has been reported in the ATLANTA media.

Things like this need to be open and out there.


btw--any word on what they're going to have to do to cure his eye? Obviously, the virus "hid" in his eye fluids and the anti-virus drugs they gave him didn't penetrate to the virus there. So how are they going to treat it? Direct injections of anti-viral drugs in his eye? (I know, euw) Removal of the eye? Any word on that?

The commonly reported hearing problems make me suspect that it also hides in the inner ear (which of course, would NEVER ever rupture or leak). So, where else might it be hideing??? ....bone marrow, spinal fluid, brain tissue, lymph nodes....

But hey, lets just take a blood test, and declare, "Ebola Free!" Good to go!.

These unfortunate people are possible time bombs.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
I never heard of this particular doctor. Does anyone know how many people are reported to have been treated for Ebola in the US? I am wondering also, how many prior Ebola patients are now residing in the US.

I stopped following the crisis after Duncan's family dodged the bullet.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
I never heard of this particular doctor. Does anyone know how many people are reported to have been treated for Ebola in the US? I am wondering also, how many prior Ebola patients are now residing in the US.

I stopped following the crisis after Duncan's family dodged the bullet.

"dodged the bullet"----DID they?

Can anyone find for me ONE piece of pictorial or video evidence (iow, not hearsay from a third-party or a written news report, but actual seeing-is-believing evidence) showing ANY of Duncan's family members again after they were evacuated????
 

Limner

Deceased
"dodged the bullet"----DID they?

Can anyone find for me ONE piece of pictorial or video evidence (iow, not hearsay from a third-party or a written news report, but actual seeing-is-believing evidence) showing ANY of Duncan's family members again after they were evacuated????

GOOD question.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
High prolonged fever, dehydration, hammered immune system and whatever side effects these "experimental drugs" they've used are going to tear you up; the hearing loss reminds me of the side effects of long term high doses of aspirin, they'd likely have used it or something similar to try to control the patients' fevers.

That this virus is now found to be hiding in patients, considering in the past there were generally no survivors to examine for this kind of thing, should make us ask whether or not this is also something other viruses do as well.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
"dodged the bullet"----DID they?

Can anyone find for me ONE piece of pictorial or video evidence (iow, not hearsay from a third-party or a written news report, but actual seeing-is-believing evidence) showing ANY of Duncan's family members again after they were evacuated????

I remember seeing some photos, there was talk of a lawsuit, and supposedly an essay/open letter (?) written by Duncan's GF. ( I don't believe the essay was written w/o extensive help; that woman seems to only speak pidgin, at best)

I'm not saying all this couldn't have been easily faked.
Personally, I just don't think it was.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
...bone marrow, spinal fluid, brain tissue, lymph nodes....

These ar all fluids that circulare through the blood or lymphatic system and thus infection would show in a blood test.

Yes, spinal fluid rejoins the circulating blood system.
Marrow has circulating blood via the vascularisation of the bones.
(Hint, we use intra-osseous injections as fluid support for folks we can't get a venous line into. It's ALMOST as effective as direct venous injection)
 

Faroe

Un-spun
These ar all fluids that circulare through the blood or lymphatic system and thus infection would show in a blood test.

Yes, spinal fluid rejoins the circulating blood system.
Marrow has circulating blood via the vascularisation of the bones.
(Hint, we use intra-osseous injections as fluid support for folks we can't get a venous line into. It's ALMOST as effective as direct venous injection)

Night driver, I didn't know that. Thanks.
Any other places like the eye, or testes you can think of that are more isolated?
Maybe the sinuses?

It just seems to me, that the CDC types (apparently caught by surprise) might have thought of that sort of thing already.
 

cjoi

Veteran Member
These are all fluids that circulate through the blood or lymphatic system and thus infection would show in a blood test.

Yes, spinal fluid rejoins the circulating blood system.
Marrow has circulating blood via the vascularisation of the bones.
(Hint, we use intra-osseous injections as fluid support for folks we can't get a venous line into. It's ALMOST as effective as direct venous injection)

ND, with all this in mind, why/how is it that one of the clinical tests to verify Multiple Sclerosis (Epstein-Barr Virus) was the presence of viral protein in CSF (cerebro-spinal fluid) not present in serum samples?

OR how does this relate to other Herpes virii, e.g.,chicken pox, which takes residence in nerves and is undetectable for decades until it reblooms as Shingles?

Also wondering, w/o that vital first cup of coffee, how this issue of a virus taking up residence plays a role in the gastro/enterological issues of individuals on the Autism Spectrum whose biopsies of intestinal lining demonstrate not only loss of structural integrity but the presence of Measles virus (same DNA as vaccine Measles, BTW) not found in serum samples.

Considering that retrovirii insert their DNA into host DNA, is it that there is differential affinity for different parts of the body? Has it been the case that our tools for investigating haven't been sufficiently sophisticated?

Just thinking out loud, as it were, wondering if you might have ideas about this...
NOW, off in search of that cuppa coffee...
 

mythreemonkeykids

Contributing Member
Also wondering, w/o that vital first cup of coffee, how this issue of a virus taking up residence plays a role in the gastro/enterological issues of individuals on the Autism Spectrum whose biopsies of intestinal lining demonstrate not only loss of structural integrity but the presence of Measles virus (same DNA as vaccine Measles, BTW) not found in serum samples.

Considering that retrovirii insert their DNA into host DNA, is it that there is differential affinity for different parts of the body? Has it been the case that our tools for investigating haven't been sufficiently sophisticated?

Just thinking out loud, as it were, wondering if you might have ideas about this...
NOW, off in search of that cuppa coffee...[/QUOTE]


Tell me more about the measles/autism thing again please- slowly. I have one with autism and have never heard this.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
I remember seeing some photos, there was talk of a lawsuit, and supposedly an essay/open letter (?) written by Duncan's GF. ( I don't believe the essay was written w/o extensive help; that woman seems to only speak pidgin, at best)

I'm not saying all this couldn't have been easily faked.
Personally, I just don't think it was.

I remember that "letter," too.

And if you saw the earlier videos of the woman, yes, she BARELY had command of the English language.

No way in HADES did she write that letter.

Again---has anyone actually SEEN them since? With a picture or video they can find and post to prove it?

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LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The commonly reported hearing problems make me suspect that it also hides in the inner ear (which of course, would NEVER ever rupture or leak). So, where else might it be hideing??? ....bone marrow, spinal fluid, brain tissue, lymph nodes....

But hey, lets just take a blood test, and declare, "Ebola Free!" Good to go!.

These unfortunate people are possible time bombs.

My thoughts on this- YES! I posted that when the virus first came to Amerika. There are many viruses that hide in body parts until the immune system is weakened. And if it is a rather changeable strain, each time it ventures out is an attempt to break through the human immune response.


These ar all fluids that circulare through the blood or lymphatic system and thus infection would show in a blood test.

Yes, spinal fluid rejoins the circulating blood system.
Marrow has circulating blood via the vascularisation of the bones.
(Hint, we use intra-osseous injections as fluid support for folks we can't get a venous line into. It's ALMOST as effective as direct venous injection)

Nope. Not true. There is a big difference between virus-free and "none-detected".
 

cjoi

Veteran Member
Tell me more about the measles/autism thing again please- slowly. I have one with autism and have never heard this.

This is in reference to the findings that intestinal biopsies (of the intestines of a group of children with autism diagnoses) found that those same children had chronic cases of intestinal measles of very same DNA variety as the measles virus used in their pre-autism MMR vaccinations. This was a landmark/controversial finding by a gastroenterologist named Wakefield who was discredited then validated.

There are people who have followed this and there are people who like to continue to ignore the re-validation or try to re-discredit Wakefield or his work. I recommend you invest some more sleepless nights (as do most parents of neuro diverse children) reading about this. Then it may make more sense to you than simply something you "heard" someone claim on the internet.

IMHO, your child w/ autism is fortunate to have siblings. Family member going in for additional heart surgery Thursday and one of our best neighbors died suddenly this week so almost didn't see your post and may not have much TB2K time this week.
 
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