EBOLA Ebola nurse Pauline Cafferkey 'in serious condition'

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Want the 'ancient' links that say ebola *is* airborne? Read again the book, "The Hot Zone".
We read the Hot Zone together right after our Honey Moon, that variation of Ebola was airborne (in the medical sense) but only (thank goodness) among the monkeys in the lab. However some workers tested POSITIVE for ANTIBODIES meaning that it was close enough to being able to infect humans that it did provoke an immune response.

Quiet word on the street (and talked about quietly in medical schools) is that the current HUMAN variation isn't airborne in a medical sense; that means you don't walk into a room half an hour after someone with the disease has breathed the air and have the potential for becoming ill (the monkeys were infected in "closed" rooms via air conditioning if I recall correctly).

This means that the Powers that Be can CLAIM it "isn't airborne," however it looks very much like it may have mutated into a different medical State (Nightwolf gave me the term, I've used it before but I can't remember it right now) which the public (and any lay person) would think of as airborne.

This would be that the "droplets" expelled when a person with Ebola sneezes, vomits or goes to the bathroom; may travel in the air to others; in the past, these items had to actually be touched (sounds gross but of course happens all the time, married people and parents often clean up after a sick spouse or child - Westerners use gloves, most Africans don't have that choice).

Now, it probably is not required to actually touch the bodily fluid (at least in some cases) but simply be near the person or perhaps even in the same area as the event a few minutes later (the virus seems to die quickly but not as fast as it used to).

If Human Ebola (any of the strains) was to go fully and medically airborne (the great terror of modern medicine) then there would simply be no stopping it except perhaps the vaccines if they work (no matter the side effects); it will simply burn through the population like the Black Death and potentially kill 1/3 to 1/2 or more of the infected population and like the Black Death, many people will die who DON'T have the disease because there will be no one to care for those with other conditions.

Let us hope and prey that does not happen, things are bad enough already - Nightwolf calls Ebola "a Wake-up Call" to start taking epidemic diseases seriously (and basic health care for everyone, at last at the most basic levels) which if ignored, will have its own price to pay with Ebola or some other new or mutated disease.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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(Nightwolf gave me the term, I've used it before but I can't remember it right now) which the public (and any lay person) would think of as airborne.


Aerosolized?
 

Ordinary Girl

Veteran Member
Yes, aerosolized. They admitted it was possible, but also claimed you would have to be inches away from the infected and have them cough or sneeze directly onto you.

I just find it very odd that a year later she still is carrying the virus and it has "reactivated"
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Yes, aerosolized. They admitted it was possible, but also claimed you would have to be inches away from the infected and have them cough or sneeze directly onto you.

I just find it very odd that a year later she still is carrying the virus and it has "reactivated"

*snip* from the article I just posted:

Bodily tissues can harbour the Ebola infection months after the person appears to have fully recovered.
 

Ordinary Girl

Veteran Member
*snip* from the article I just posted:

Bodily tissues can harbour the Ebola infection months after the person appears to have fully recovered.


I understand that but it's been nearly a year. They have previously said approximately 3 months for the virus to clear the body completely. They have never, to my recollection, mentioned the possibility of becoming sick again after supposedly being "cured" ( CDC and WHO' term, not mine)
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
I understand that but it's been nearly a year. They have previously said approximately 3 months for the virus to clear the body completely. They have never, to my recollection, mentioned the possibility of becoming sick again after supposedly being "cured" ( CDC and WHO' term, not mine)

As I stated earlier in the thread---there is precedent for this.


I am old enough to have had chicken pox.



If you EVER have had chicken pox, EVER, in your life, the virus (varicella) NEVER, EVER, really goes away.



And it can REACTIVATE years later---in a form many older folks here have probably had to deal with---SHINGLES.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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*snip* from the article I just posted:

Bodily tissues can harbour the Ebola infection months after the person appears to have fully recovered.

True. This is why AIDS keeps coming back in people who have it, if they go off their meds. Viruses can "hide" in tissues essentially forever. Chickenpox/Shingles anyone? So yeah, once you've had Ebola, IMO you'll eventually die from it.

Tick tock...
 

Adino

paradigm shaper
big pharma must be drooling all over themselves

not only is a drug needed to 'cure' you

you will need it to stay 'cured'

that's money
 

pinkelsteinsmom

Veteran Member
The great minds in medicine know enough about ebola as the great scientific volcanologist did about what would happen when Mt St. Helen blew.

They put their scientists and camera crews in a safe spot to witness and record the great event.:rolleyes:

Too bring this into our country is the height of hubris and insanity, but they don't care, they see all of humanity as a science project.
 

almost ready

Inactive
I understand that but it's been nearly a year. They have previously said approximately 3 months for the virus to clear the body completely. They have never, to my recollection, mentioned the possibility of becoming sick again after supposedly being "cured" ( CDC and WHO' term, not mine)

That 16 year old girl who died of Ebola in Sierra Leone last month is suspected of getting it from a guy she had sex with. He was released as "cured" in March. That 3 month window jumped to 6 and now is making a tall hurdle to a year. No reason to believe, as Dennis and others point out, that it cannot hide, dormant, for years or even for life. No reason whatsoever.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
I understand that but it's been nearly a year. They have previously said approximately 3 months for the virus to clear the body completely. They have never, to my recollection, mentioned the possibility of becoming sick again after supposedly being "cured" ( CDC and WHO' term, not mine)

They, that is, the CDC and cronies, never mentioned it to my recollection either.

Nevertheless, the possibility of a lifetime as a transmissible carrier was brought up here, on TB2K. We speculated about that extensively. As far as I know, the CDC really has no data on this problem. How do you prove a recovered Ebola patient has absolutely NO viri left anywhere in the body? I don't think it is possible. If you know the virus can live for three months after recovery, WHY NOT longer? The CDC has long since given the impression that it prefers to sidestep the harder questions.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Gang, Ebola is now endemic in West Africa. This means people will continue to get infected. The medical implications of her showing symptoms one year after being "cured," are profound. Ebola isn't going anywhere. The only real remaining issue is whether it mutates to an airborne vector spread disease. If it does that, we will see millions of cases.
 

Ordinary Girl

Veteran Member
Whatever happened with the immunization they said they thought they had for Ebola? I know they are giving it to people, but does it work? Anyone get injected and then go treat patients in gloves and surgical mask as evidence it works?
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Did anyone notice THIS?

She had been well enough last Monday to visit Mossneuk Primary School in East Kilbride to thank children for their fund-raising efforts.
And the previous week, she had received a Pride of Britain award in London, which also saw her meet the prime minister's wife, Samantha Cameron, at 10 Downing Street.
 
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