GUNS/RLTD IT BEGINS: Virginia Judge Rules No Guns Allowed At Pro-Gun Rally — In OPEN-CARRY STATE

Jonas Parker

Hooligan

IT BEGINS: Virginia Judge Rules No Guns Allowed At Pro-Gun Rally — In OPEN-CARRY STATE
by Eric A. Blair January 17, 2020


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Democrats took over both chambers of the Virginia legislature in November, and as expected, they’re pushing anti-gun laws through as quickly as they can.

On Thursday, lawmakers in the state Senate passed an the first pair of bills in a wave of gun-control legislation that is set to come up for votes. One bill would restore the state’s previous one-handgun-a-month rule, while the second would allow local governments to ban guns in public buildings, parks and at permitted events — including political protests. The vote was straight party line, 21-19.

Democrats have also proposed an assault weapons ban, red flag laws and universal background checks.
Gov. Ralph “Blackface” Northam immediately banned all guns ahead of Monday’s pro-gun rally, citing “credible and serious threats.” Virginia is an “open-carry” state, meaning residents don’t even need a concealed-carry permit but can rather just wear a gun openly.

“We have no intention of calling out the National Guard,” Northam said. “We’re not going to cut off people’s electricity. We’re not going to go door to door and confiscate people’s weapons. We’re going to pass common sense legislation that will keep guns out of dangerous hands and keep Virginia safer.”

A Virginia judge on Thursday ruled that a firearms ban can remain in place during the pro-gun rally on the Capitol grounds in Richmond. Thousands are expected to attend. Gun rights advocates appealed the ruling.
“Without relief from this court, petitioners and thousands of other rally participants will be irreparably denied their right to bear arms,” the groups’ attorneys argue in their appeal.

But Viginia Attorney General Mark Herring on Friday urged the state Supreme Court to reject the appeal.
“Determined to prevent another tragedy, the Governor issued a carefully limited Executive Order. The Order does not prevent anyone from speaking, assembling, or petitioning the government. Instead, it temporarily precludes private possession of firearms in a sensitive public place during a specified time to protect public safety and safeguard the rights of all citizens to peacefully speak, assemble, and petition their government,” Herring said in a legal brief.
“The plaintiffs argued the firearms ban violates the First and Second Amendments and that Northam didn’t have the authority to impose it. According to The Associated Press, Judge Joi Taylor said in her ruling the governor has the authority under state law to take action related to the “safety and welfare” of the state. Taylor also cited rulings from the U.S. Supreme Court that the right to bear arms can be subject to limits,” CBS News reported.

With Democrats in control of both legislative chambers, Republicans can do little but complain. “Ladies and gentlemen, this is probably the first assault on the Second Amendment. And we’re going to see many after that,” said Republican Sen. Bill Stanley. He argued that the bill giving localities control over guns in public spaces would create “little pockets here and there where guns are good and guns are bad.”
 

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
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A Virginia judge on Thursday ruled that a firearms ban can remain in place during the pro-gun rally on the Capitol grounds in Richmond. Thousands are expected to attend. Gun rights advocates appealed to the ruling.
“Without relief from this court, petitioners and thousands of other rally participants will be irreparably denied their right to bear arms,” the groups’ attorneys argue in their appeal.

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Could the 2A supporters hold their rallies just outside of the prohibited zone?

von Koehler
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
Yeah like that's going to stop them? I'm praying that none of the measures pass the assembly and none feel the need to use any of the hardware.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Gotta remember that, even in an "Open Carry State" there are still a LOT of places es you can't carry (cf, banks, schools, etc.)
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
So if you wrap it up in public safety, you can now do anything and violate any rights you want.

Good to know!!!
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'm going Monday to this rally. I was in the Richmond area for 2 days this week, doing appointments all across the area. And each time I passed the capitol, more fence went up, more gear showed up.

Forming a perimeter around the capitol would not work-PD, state police are going to be there in depth. And if they feel threatened (and they should be feeling that) the powers that be would simply shut down the rally. And start arresting people, probably.

I was debating whether or not to go; but seeing the preparations there, hearing the incessant bullsh** on the news about this neo nazi right winger got arrested, that far right nutjob got popped, etc. makes me want to go. The communists are doing a virtual tar and feather job on EVERY citizen in the state with conservative views. I can't take that lying down; it's not right. Not just for the gun issue (which grates on my nerves, find my guns VA b*tches) but for every thing else the communists are trying to jam down our throats.

And at this point I don't trust the cops to do the right thing during the rally. They're under the control of the communists and will do what they are told, to keep the paycheck and the benefits flowing. In this rally, don't think the cops are going to be friendly or fair. They're expecting and planning for another Charlottesville disaster in this rally, totally different groups of people and temperment. The PD and VSP will get NO help from me. They are selling their souls (and their childrens' freedoms) to the VA state communist power structure.

Notice just the MSM is hyper reporting all these supposed gun toting ready to use 'em neo Nazi types arrests? The MSM is basically whipping up emotions into a frenzy, hoping to engineer mass violent protests Monday. They have 17 metal detectors set up at the entrance to the rally grounds-and 17 cameras rolling in the same lanes. KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN. Literally.

The state is wrong, the cops are supporting the wrong side. We're going into unfriendly territory during this rally. Just keep an eye for other locals that plan to be against us.
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Despite these commie bast*rd$ best efforts, this is still a Constitutional Republic. The 2nd Amendment holds all the others up and is our sacred shield against the tyranny we are witnessing daily. And Donald Trump is the President and also the CINC.

Why hasn't he used the power he has to call these people out as against our Constitution and remove them from office? They are domestic enemies every last one of them. He took the Oath same as I did, only his place in the hierarchy is higher.
 

marsofold

Veteran Member
“We have no intention of calling out the National Guard,” Northam said. “We’re not going to cut off people’s electricity. We’re not going to go door to door and confiscate people’s weapons."

"That's great, because then we won't be tempted to shoot you in the head with a sniper bullet" should be our reply.
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
And we are supposed to be completely disarmed. And they are going to roll this thing out at the protest. At 3 or so minutes in, they say it can be used for "crowd control". Oh my! Please watch the Youtube video to see this thing in action. Guvna Blackface must be absolutely terrified- or power mad.

some good comments.

 
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Squib

Veteran Member
I'm going Monday to this rally. I was in the Richmond area for 2 days this week, doing appointments all across the area. And each time I passed the capitol, more fence went up, more gear showed up.

Forming a perimeter around the capitol would not work-PD, state police are going to be there in depth. And if they feel threatened (and they should be feeling that) the powers that be would simply shut down the rally. And start arresting people, probably.

I was debating whether or not to go; but seeing the preparations there, hearing the incessant bullsh** on the news about this neo nazi right winger got arrested, that far right nutjob got popped, etc. makes me want to go. The communists are doing a virtual tar and feather job on EVERY citizen in the state with conservative views. I can't take that lying down; it's not right. Not just for the gun issue (which grates on my nerves, find my guns VA b*tches) but for every thing else the communists are trying to jam down our throats.

And at this point I don't trust the cops to do the right thing during the rally. They're under the control of the communists and will do what they are told, to keep the paycheck and the benefits flowing. In this rally, don't think the cops are going to be friendly or fair. They're expecting and planning for another Charlottesville disaster in this rally, totally different groups of people and temperment. The PD and VSP will get NO help from me. They are selling their souls (and their childrens' freedoms) to the VA state communist power structure.

Notice just the MSM is hyper reporting all these supposed gun toting ready to use 'em neo Nazi types arrests? The MSM is basically whipping up emotions into a frenzy, hoping to engineer mass violent protests Monday. They have 17 metal detectors set up at the entrance to the rally grounds-and 17 cameras rolling in the same lanes. KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN. Literally.

The state is wrong, the cops are supporting the wrong side. We're going into unfriendly territory during this rally. Just keep an eye for other locals that plan to be against us.

I am praying for you, Alpha-man, and all other patriots and people of goodwill at this place and time.

May God be with you all!
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
I understand and agree with the former, but why the latter? Don't you think this kind of $%&# has gone far enough in this country, and needs stopping by whatever means it takes?
I hope not.

PC liberal crazy is not only falling out of favor it's getting embarrassing. I believe that's one of the reasons more than 50% of those attending President trump's rallies are not Republican.

I believe the more the violent left pushes the more and more supporters are falling away from the Democrat Party. People aren't afraid of them. They are pissed. The are pissed at the violence, property damage and that this thugary is not only tolerated but encouraged by the PTB.
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
Could the 2A supporters hold their rallies just outside of the prohibited zone?

von Koehler
They have been talking about simply surrounding the Capitol grounds shoulder-to-shoulder and a dozen deep. Some have been talking about just reinforcing all the freshly installed fencing and turning the place into a giant cage. Read some thoughts about bringing their own concertina wire.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
A Virginia judge on Thursday ruled that a firearms ban can remain in place during the pro-gun rally on the Capitol grounds in Richmond. Thousands are expected to attend.

So...

What happens if the thousands in attendance exercise their right to carry?
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
I was debating whether or not to go; but seeing the preparations there, hearing the incessant bullsh** on the news about this neo nazi right winger got arrested, that far right nutjob got popped, etc. makes me want to go. The communists are doing a virtual tar and feather job on EVERY citizen in the state with conservative views. I can't take that lying down; it's not right. Not just for the gun issue (which grates on my nerves, find my guns VA b*tches) but for every thing else the communists are trying to jam down our throats.

Rule #1 of situational awareness: Bad things happen in crowds/mobs

If you go... Be in the Orange Zone the whole time.

I would STRONGLY recommend the better part of valor on this one, Alfa...

And at this point I don't trust the cops to do the right thing during the rally. They're under the control of the communists and will do what they are told, to keep the paycheck and the benefits flowing. In this rally, don't think the cops are going to be friendly or fair.

Honestly, this is all the more reason to NOT go...
 
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Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Donald Trump is the President and also the CINC.

Why hasn't he used the power he has to call these people out as against our Constitution and remove them from office? They are domestic enemies every last one of them. He took the Oath same as I did, only his place in the hierarchy is higher.

Why, indeed?

Why does Trump keep signing spending bills after promising never to do so, again?

Why is his DHS supporting CAIR?

There are other gripes but I don't want to get into "Trump bashing"...

I like Trump, I supported Trump, I voted for Trump ( with the very first vote that I ever cast in my life ), I will vote for him again... But, I do not trust anyone at that level and will always sleep with one eye open.
 
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Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
They have been talking about simply surrounding the Capitol grounds shoulder-to-shoulder and a dozen deep. Some have been talking about just reinforcing all the freshly installed fencing and turning the place into a giant cage. Read some thoughts about bringing their own concertina wire.

It is really scary how close we are to a totalitarian "gulag" scenario... And, so few recognize it, nation wide.

We are dumbed down ( generally speaking ) to worrying about selfies and what diet our favorite celebrity is doing. The overall awareness of our population is, simply put, nauseating.

And, we are a single "democratic" presidential election from the death of the American experiment and the funeral pyre of free will and personal liberty.

Honestly, I don't know if I should feel afraid for the generation to come or vindictive as they "get what they wish for"?

These are the times that test man's soul...
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Why, indeed?

Why does Trump keep signing spending bills after promising never to do so, again?

Why is his DHS supporting CAIR?

There are other gripes but I don't want to get into "Trump bashing"...

I like Trump, I supported Trump, I voted for Trump ( with the very first vote that I ever cast in my life ), I will vote for him again... But, I do not trust anyone at that level and will always sleep with one eye open.

We are being held down with Ra Ra Yay Trump, while all this is allowed to continue. Sometimes there needs to be someone to help hold the victim for a good raping.

Trump has done some wonderful things, but he could have chosen not to sign off on the CAIR thing, as they are an enemy. Don't get me started on Planned Parenthood.

And he should have yanked that power mad black faced idiot govna up out of his high seat in Virginia for daring to step one claw over the line of unconstitutional action which violates his oath of office. And then, we would not need to have this convo.

Trump took an Oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States- same as I did. No other country- the United States. And so far this situation is getting worse; not better.

I am asking myself why? We are too close to the total dissolution of this country to be wearing blinders at this point. If he has set an elaborate trap for Northam, it is a doozie. If not, people are going to get hurt at this rally. I fear for what is left of our Nation.
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Rule #1 of situational awareness: Bad things happen in crowds/mobs

If you go... Be in the Orange Zone the whole time.

I would STRONGLY recommend the better part of valor on this one, Alfa...



Honestly, this is all the more reason to NOT go...

I appreciate the possible danger of going to this little soiree. I'll be unarmed, in the traditional context of being "armed". I hope to be up near the podium so I can get plenty of pics of the crowd (and ID pics of any antifa or other quasi bad a** folks trying to disrupt a peaceful rally) and hopefully some video. TB2K needs to get an accurate picture of goings on on the ground; you know the MSM will spin this event 9 ways to Sunday. (and if there's someone I can send texts and pics to while I'm there PM me with a good cell number and be willing to update the folks here. That way we can get TB2K info in real time for the members. People need and want to know.)
And should someone try to provoke me, great. I'm armed with a repertoire of snappy comebacks that will dismay and disappoint them.
And if I get swung upon, even better. Ain't been in a scrap in a while. With the level of police going to be there, it will happen within sight of one of them. They will have no choice but to do their jobs; and I can file assault charges. (One antifa member down, how many more to go.) There's more than one way to skin a cat (or take down an antifa member....)

There's no valor in going to this event. Many millions of men way before I was born laid their lives down for our freedoms. Many PAID for our freedoms with their lives. I never had the chance to serve, but I can help. It's my turn to be "in the sh**" and I go willingly.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
With the level of police going to be there, it will happen within sight of one of them. They will have no choice but to do their jobs; and I can file assault charges.

That's never been the case in the past... You have already said that you don't think the police will be "friendly" and every video I see of these types of incidents, it is usually the law abiding citizen that get's blamed for "inciting" ( just by being there )...

You sound dead set on going, so I will keep you in thoughts and prayers.
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
That's never been the case in the past... You have already said that you don't think the police will be "friendly" and every video I see of these types of incidents, it is usually the law abiding citizen that get's blamed for "inciting" ( just by being there )...

You sound dead set on going, so I will keep you in thoughts and prayers.

TB2Kers will have real time updates. And I'm like my mama and my father-my hardheadedness rates a 10 on the Rockwell scale :)
 
TB2Kers will have real time updates.
Depends on how robust the cell phone system in the area, is - and, how it might be controlled/throttled by guided hidden hands.

EVERYTHING that goes across the cell towers, or the internet, is pure, capture-able digital TCP/IP data, that can be real-time data mined by the finest AI systems on the planet - it should be clear to ALL that the "analog" constitutionalists are playing against capable AI-generated decision-making systems - the globalists have the finest AI machines that their money can buy, and are using the AI to analyze/generate probabilities for strategic decision making purposes. There should be little doubt that the very wealthy Michael Bloomberg's of the world consult with their "digital oracles" regularly.

I state this so that constitutionalists can begin to correctly contemplate the digital battle space with which they are engaged. AI is not the "end all, be all," but should NOT be underestimated as a capable adversarial element of the opposition's battle weaponry.

Part of Gen IV warfare, folks.


intothegoodnight
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Was down in the area on at least 4 occasions between Thursday and Friday. Cell reception is 5 bars on a CDMA network. Think the stingrays will drop it to 1-2 bars but we can get info out via text and pics. Pics may be slow but should be able to get the info out.
There's a cell tower within a mile of the site, and many of the buildings in the area have towers on top of the buildings (especially down Broad st). I was surprised at the level of cell tower/antenna coverage down monument av particularly.
 

et2

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I appreciate the possible danger of going to this little soiree. I'll be unarmed, in the traditional context of being "armed". I hope to be up near the podium so I can get plenty of pics of the crowd (and ID pics of any antifa or other quasi bad a** folks trying to disrupt a peaceful rally) and hopefully some video. TB2K needs to get an accurate picture of goings on on the ground; you know the MSM will spin this event 9 ways to Sunday. (and if there's someone I can send texts and pics to while I'm there PM me with a good cell number and be willing to update the folks here. That way we can get TB2K info in real time for the members. People need and want to know.)
And should someone try to provoke me, great. I'm armed with a repertoire of snappy comebacks that will dismay and disappoint them.
And if I get swung upon, even better. Ain't been in a scrap in a while. With the level of police going to be there, it will happen within sight of one of them. They will have no choice but to do their jobs; and I can file assault charges. (One antifa member down, how many more to go.) There's more than one way to skin a cat (or take down an antifa member....)

There's no valor in going to this event. Many millions of men way before I was born laid their lives down for our freedoms. Many PAID for our freedoms with their lives. I never had the chance to serve, but I can help. It's my turn to be "in the sh**" and I go willingly.

Thanks for your support!! Be safe!!. It'll be nice to get some unfiltered honest news. Got body armor? Do watch your back. The commies will fight dirty and attack from behind. Seen many videos. Don't expect a fair fight. If I was closer I'd join you. Being with friends will be safer for you.

Good luck!! The police might not be your friends, maybe not even cops
 
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