Katrina: 1 year later! Any lessons learned for us? (From 2006)

Truthsearch

Doom is ALWAYS 6 Months Away...
Hey all,

I was wondering what everyone on here has learned after reflection upon Katrina and its aftermath 1 year later. We've had alot of time to analyze and think about stuff, so let's hear about what we as a board have learned about prepping, bugging-out, etc.

Personaly, I've learned that this type of a SHTF event brings out the very WORST in alot of human beings. Robbery, rape, murder, looting, etc. So the lesson for me was to give (long-term loan) my adopted family an assault rifle plus 500 rounds of ammo so they have a way to defend themselves in that kind of a situation. Let's here more!
 
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ofuzzy1

Just Visiting
Yupper:

You are on you own. And expect for every BIG business to rip you off when they're done. I.e. Insurance and Gov
 

Phil Ca

Inactive
Don't expect much from FEMA, DHS, city, county or state and even federal assistance. Don't give up your firearm(s). hold out in your own home if at all possible, barring fire, flood or pestilence. Train each member of the family in first aid, CPR, rescue and whatever else is available. Contact the local ARC, fire departments and church groups for available training.
 

Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Between oFuzzy, Bird Guano, and PhilCa, they pretty much have said everything I would say.


We MUST take care of ourselves and our immediate family first, and then our extended family second. Church community or immediate neighborhood third.


DO NOT rely on government, because they will fail you.


DO NOT rely on that insurance policy you've faithfully paid on for years, because the insurance company may not honor the terms of the contract that they themselves wrote.


DO NOT rely on any other charity organization, because the formal ones (Red Cross, Salvation Army, etc. will be overwhelmed, and the informal ones - like grass roots movements - may or may not arise when and where you need them).


If you are well prepped, hide your preps and keep quiet. The law will show no hesitation in confiscating (ie, "commandeering") your preps if they find out you have them. After Katrina, I fear LEO's confiscating my family's survival preps even more than my neighbors stealing them from me.


If you are LDS, it is as if you have a bulleye's target painted on your back. At least some community disaster plans actually write into their plans that they will confiscate LDS reserve supplies in time of emergency, and actually have written into their plans that they can get a list of members from the local church leaders. They know the official LDS name for that list (which I will not print here, even though many of you know what the LDS call that list), and some community plans say to get that specific list from the local church leaders.


BTW, so I do not mislead you, the emergency plans I have seen do not look to the LDS as a first line place to get emergency provisions -- they look to the grocery stores, food warehouses, and other commercial establishments. But the very fact that the plans I have seen mention the privately held LDS family supplies is very alarming to me. And yes, there were LDS families in the Jefferson Parish stake (folks whose homes did NOT flood) who came back to find all of their emergency supplies gone. They do not know if it was thieves or LEO's, but if their supplies are stolen, who cares who did it?
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Our own Doc1 provided the best example I know of for how to handle something like Katrina. I feel fortunate to have been able to follow the development and execution of his bugout bus plan. He's my hero!

Doc, every other survivor and commentator is doing their year after followups to Katrina- how about one from you?

Thanks again,

dd
 

USDA

Veteran Member
Be very aware of your enviroment....here floods are not the thing, though they do happen...Forest Fires are the danger. And nothing can be done once they reach a certain intensity...just get the hell out. Take what you can leave the rest. Insurance may or may not be there when you need it. Government...well their the ones I would go to months later and then not expect much.

There is no real assurance of anything...even life itself. Once a person or family has that prospective...everything will be better. To face the reality and not expect the illusion to kick in does make a difference.

It is the rich and super rich that expect and will probably get aid and insurnace and pat on the behind...the rest of us will live or die by our own efforts.
 

Brutus

Membership Revoked
USDA said:
It is the rich and super rich that expect and will probably get aid and insurance and pat on the behind...the rest of us will live or die by our own efforts.
Go preach your class warfare bullshit someplace else. Trent Lott lost his home on the Gulf Coast and got screwed by his insurance company just like most everyone else.

:rolleyes:
 
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Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Rambling thoughts

Our own Doc1 provided the best example I know of for how to handle something like Katrina. I feel fortunate to have been able to follow the development and execution of his bugout bus plan. He's my hero!

Doc, every other survivor and commentator is doing their year after followups to Katrina- how about one from you?

Thanks again,

dd

Dozdoats,
Thank you for your kind words, I think everyone on this thread so far has offered good advice. Here are some of my rambling thoughts.
One shouldn't rely on .gov or NGO help as an immediate emergency fallback. That's where most people made mistakes. If you can remain self-sufficient at least in the shortrun, you will be in a much better position to selectively choose what assistance, if any, you want.
We have relatives who were completely unprepped and lost their home and employment. As a result, they accepted one of the SBA loans that the authorities were pushing so hard after the storm. Needless to say, they had to sign over their land as collateral and are now in debt for a ridiculous amount for what is really a cheap mobile home.
We on the other hand are rebuilding slowly. It was our firm intent that we would not go into debt as a result of the storm. Losses we could accept. That's life. Debt slavery is a whole 'nother ball game! Our approach was - and still is - that we would gratefully accept free assistance, but under no circumstance take on debt. I believe that the worst possible thing to do to a community in the aftermath of a disaster is to saddle its inhabitants with debt. Unfortunately, this has happened across the Gulf Coast.
I spent a lot of time - and still do - after the storm collecting good, salvageable lumber, doors, windows and other building material. This is saving us a small fortune in building our cottage. Margie and I have done most of our own work so far, but have been blessed by three visits from volunteer workers who helped with a lot of heavy labor.
Even here, you have to be prepared. Most of the volunteers are college kids who are energetic and intelligent, but don't have a clue as to what they're doing. You need to be ready to assume an immediate supervisory role in cases like this. Otherwise, some of what they might do can cause more harm than good. One crew was actually very good and their leaders were trade school construction teachers, so I immediately deferred to them as supervisors. Again, be flexible and react constructively to changing circumstances.
There's an old oil patch saying that sums things up nicely: "We have done so much, for so long, with so little, that we are now capable of doing absolutely anything...with nothing."
We are in a small, mostly white homogenous county, so did not have the crime, strife or racial problems witnessed in New Orleans. There was very little of the LEO heavy-handedness alluded to in other posts. As you know, we evacuated early, so I didn't have to deal with the very first days personally. Still, I did return in the first week and many times afterwards to bring in relief convoys. From my own experience and through anecdotal reports, I think it's fair to say that of the major Katrina-affected coastal areas, as far as crime and chaos went, New Orleans was by far the worst, Harrison County (next to us and including Gulfport and Biloxi) were a (very) distant second, Jackson County (including Pascagoula) was third and our very own little Hancock County was by far the safest. Deciding where to live is a MAJOR prep decision...
Other post-event observations: Be ready to take advantage of changing situations and opportunities. Yes, you have to be a bit mercenary about these things. A lot of aid initially came in feast or famine spurts. For the first few days and weeks, food and water were short. as supplies eventually began to roll in, what started as a trickle became a flood. A lot of people either didn't want or didn't understand what some of these supplies were. Nitrogen-packed dehydrated survival food came in by scores of pallets. Hardly anyone wanted to take it. Margie and I loaded the boat (or in our case, bus)! MREs were a very popular food source initially and then became so common, that people either wouldn't take them - favoring more conventional groceries - or discarded them. Needless to say, we scooped up all extras we could find.
We still have a lot of these things and they added to our preps substantially. As you can imagine, even after the lessons of Katrina, a lot of people are back to having no stored water or food... Oh, well.
As you know, we were exceedingly well-prepped with our two little diesel trucks, converted school bus and stored supplies. The bus allowed us to evacuate virtually all of our expensive portable items and at least as importantly, allowed us to live comfortably in a safe area during and after the storm. A converted bus is hardly palatial, but compared to the thousands living in squalor on their lawn or in public shelters after the flooding, it was a slice of heaven. It was brutally hot after the storm and our bus has a chest freezer and AC, both of which can operate off of the bus' on board electrical system.
From a legal perspective, as a registered motor home, it also provided legal safeguards here in Mississippi. We never had any problems, but here, a motorhome, unlike a car, is considered a residence and the occupants are accorded more legal protections on public roads. This could be important in certain circumstances.
The scarcest commodities here, for a prolonged period, were electricity and fuel. As I have stated endlessly, serious preppers need to get away from gasoline and move into a personal diesel economy. Gasoline was very difficult to get for a protracted period. Diesel was far easier to get and more importantly, easier and safer to store. A lot of folks here thought they were well-prepped with their gas generators, only to discover after two or three days that their nice gas gennies were expensive paperweights without fuel. Diesels don't work well without fuel either, but with our hundreds of gallons of stored fuel, we had no problems in that regard.
Sure, you can live without electricity, but it's so much nicer to have it available! I think a lot of the post-storm mortality spike can be directly attributed to the elderly and infirm being stressed out and suddenly subjected to the awful, hot and humid conditions. Things are bad enough after a disaster...you don't need to make things harder on yourself. Please see my previous posts on inverter systems. I very strongly advise you to consider doing something similar.
Our electricity was based on high output vehicle alternators and inverters. They performed adequately for 90% of our needs. Over the past year, I have built a diesel "listeroid" generator, too. That should cover the other 10% and it's more economical than running our vehicle engines to generate power.
Well, there's lots more, but I already feel like I'm writing a book...lol. A neighbor just called and needs me (she really needs my big truck) to help her with something, so I need to go. As always, I'm happy to answer anyone's questions here or in PM.

Best regards
Doc
 

Chartreuse

Yellow Solar Sun
DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES GO INTO A PUBLIC SHELTER



EVER​

That is DEFINITELY the number one thing I learned from watching this whole mess. The people who go to the shelters are already in the mindset that they won't/can't fend for themselves. That creates a lot of desperation when other people then don't provide for them on the level they were expecting.

Number two - do not believe ANY promise of assistance - proceed as if you're entirely on your own - if your trailer, FEMA debit card or insurance payoff eventually shows up, fine, but don't delay doing whatever you have to to get back on your own two feet.

Number three - if your neighbors have chosen to ride out the storm, immediately afterwards would be a good time to make nice and get them on your side. Offer to do up a big pot of soup, help them inventory what they have that can get them through the next few weeks (often people don't see what's right in front of them), offer first aid assistance, whatever. There is a certain risk in exposing your supplies/knowledge, but in a long-term situation where there are looters roaming the streets, several neighbors banded together are going to be much more formidable than each little family unit huddled alone in their houses.

Number four - a lot of pets are going to get the short end of the stick from their owners. If possible, set up temporary holding areas in your and your neighbors back yards - try to collect as many escaped/abandoned animals as possible. People have a responsibility to prepare themselves, but the animals are totally helpless and deserve any and all help we can give.
 

nannygoat

Inactive
thank you very much doc - we have only been without power for four days but had a generator - thank goodness to run the cooler [ also in spells the freezer and water pump - 200 + goats,10horses and 8 people drink alot of water ] because august in Phoenix area is not nice without cooling - cities get taken care of sooner and ice and dry ice was brought in by the power company on the third day but they only brought it to buckeye which was 15 miles away - we had a truck so got ice for a bunch of people - the new place they rarely rarely loose power and sooooo do not prepare - not good - the pump guy [ and he is even LDS] did not know why we wanted another pump down [ in addition to the electric pump] to be a hand pump or solar/wind pump - he said we do not loose power here - gggrrr - of course here they do have alot of artesian springs and ponds but not on our place and would much prefer having water here and also without treatment [sigh]
 

Cruiser

Veteran Member
I learned the following; First, have a plan! Even a bad or limited plan is better than no plan at all. Second, don't depend on the government to help you. They will screw up many more times than they get it right. Third, keep a low profile. Better to not look too well prepared, others may realize the line in front of your house will be much shorter than any government line. Lastly, when you choose to act, go all the way. If you plan to stay, stay put until you just can't stand it. If you plan to leave, leave early and take EVERYTHING with you. If you can't fit it in your vehicle have a trailer. Do take more gas than you will need. Be ready to defend your family and property.

I for one will be staying and keeping a very low profile...
 

Tullamore

Thaumaturge, j.g.
Moral: Keep 'preps' out of strangers' sight

... Third, keep a low profile. ... Do take more gas than you will need. ...

In particular, keep your profile low by keeping your gas out of sight! I've seen several anecdotes of people with visible gas cans being accosted by people who were unprepared for the mess they were in, but now quite willing to steal, and perhaps commit mayhem in order to acquire the fuel that they hadn't bothered to get prior to TSHTF.

Tullamore.
 

theoutlands

Official Resister
Stay armed - as heavily as possible - all the time.

Work in groups, like Nehemiah's Jews on the walls.

Know your neighbors.

Use the govt and vol org's *now* while the functions and get the training you can.

Do NOT let *ANYONE* take your stuff. ANYone.

Take advantage of anything you are offered. (legitimately, obviously - relief-aid ice, water, food, etc)

Coordinate.

Cooperate.
 
Of course, hindsight is 20-20.

But it simply seems to be a case of the old adage, "Keep yourself out of harms way."

All major forms of harm found after Katrina could have been avoided if you either didn't live there (thus avoiding the geographical issues) or left the area before the storm hit (avoiding the social, "man's inhumanity-to-man" issues). And an orderly self-evacuation beforehand, with the things you want to take, beats the hell out of a forced one later on.

For those that stayed and toughed it out, you have my respect. But is your life worth more than your worldly possessions? Those souls who lost their lives who said "I've been here 50 years, and I've got roots here, and I ain't moving now." - was it worth it for them?

I'm a practical person. You can rebuild houses. You can get new personal effects and you can always carry the memory of heirlooms lost, if need be. But you've only got one life to lose, and that's all you get. Staying in harms way is not the way to keep it.
 
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