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Allotrope

Inactive
Would We Still Have Power & Water If We Had A Massive Coronavirus Quarantine In The US?

If things got that bad here, I imagine the military and law enforcement would take charge of critical utilities and greatly restrict access to sensitive locations. Your local TV and radio may go by the wayside and food be by delivery only but the power, water, and gas would have high priority. They would certainly forbid any large or medium gathering of people and there would be strict travel restrictions. For medical, you would probably be on your own. For these to happen, things would have to be exponentially worse than things are anywhere but Wuhan so we should have ample warning.
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
The wet market is 900 feet from the lab. Occam's Razor says it was a $2-a-day security guard selling lab animals for some $$$ on the side. Or, classic Chinese lack-of-quality in their BSL4 procedures.

IF, this was a "Bio-attack", it was a really crappy one.
Or maybe a bio-weapon attack to look like that.
 
This was put up four days ago. It's a 48-minute video called "Corona Unmasked." It's full of video direct from China itself. A lot of stuff we've heard, and plenty we haven't. This is the first video I've ever seen where YouTube gave me a "mature content" warning beforehand, so proceed accordingly.

Based on this, it's a disaster over there. How far the disaster will stretch, though, is anyone's guess.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMC5lOSk0Mw&bpctr=1581996300

Hard to watch. Like really hard.

Here's the stretch...

parody

How dare you malign the peoples victory over dragon virus.

You enemy of our rivers and land.

We have many fallen in the name of our glorious conquest.

You mock us in our sorrow with gift of isolation.

We have surprise present for you.

Many flowers from the garden of one thousand suns.

/parody

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northern watch

TB Fanatic
China Economy‏ @CE_ChinaEconomy 37m37 minutes ago

All TOEFL and GRE tests in the Chinese mainland in March will be cancelled due to the ongoing novel coronavirus outbreak, test administrators said on Monday. ETS is working with NEEA to accommodate impacted test takers, including adding test dates in April and May.
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yup a guy can dream- I dream o' a lil factory churning out vents. lots and lots of vents... and someone with the wisdom of solomon to assess the interconnected rings in play here, and to be led to make the right calls AT THE RIGHT times, so that the fewest souls suffer. But not much time for dreaming, so I spend most my time trying to act so that I'm part of the the protective ring around my community. And praying. Lots of that.

Using an out of date convention:

+1000!!
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Hard to watch. Like really hard.

Here's the stretch...

parody

How dare you malign the peoples victory over dragon virus.

You enemy of our rivers and land.

We have many fallen in the name of our glorious conquest.

You mock us in our sorrow with gift of isolation.

We have surprise present for you.

Many flowers from the garden of one thousand suns.

/parody

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Oh, no doubt it was hard to watch. Some of it didn't even TRY to make sense, like why the cops were freaking out with hammers at mahjong games. But the parts that DID make sense were terrifying. People getting sealed in apartment buildings with their doors welded shut, people getting beaten half to death seemingly at random, and just about everything in Chinese with few subtitles--they're trying to get those in, though--only made things worse.
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Oh, no doubt it was hard to watch. Some of it didn't even TRY to make sense, like why the cops were freaking out with hammers at mahjong games. But the parts that DID make sense were terrifying. People getting sealed in apartment buildings with their doors welded shut, people getting beaten half to death seemingly at random, and just about everything in Chinese with few subtitles--they're trying to get those in, though--only made things worse.


Well, I didn't see that on MSxyz, so it must be fake news.


[/sarc]
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
Would we have utilities and services during a quarantine scenario

Hopefully the plan will be to move in trailers to house the plant workers and their families so the plants can be kept operational....

Several items of concern:
1. Chemical delivery to water and sewage treatment plants....
2. Coal and natural gas delivery to power plants....
3. Food delivery and sanitation at the plants....
4. Clothes and linen laundering....
5. Medical screening and medical care at the plants....
6. Replacement workers....

The military will be heavy involved with such undertakings....

And noting could go wrong with this....

Texican....
 
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vestige

Deceased
Would we have utilities and services during a quarantine scenario

Hopefully the plan will be to move in trailers to house the plant workers and their families so the plants can be kept operational....

Several items of concern:
1. Chemical delivery to water and sewage treatment plants....
2. Coal and natural gas delivery to power plants....
3. Food delivery and sanitation at the plants....
4. Clothes and linen laundering....
5. Medical screening and medical care at the plants....
5. Replacement workers....

The military will be heavy involved with such undertakings....

And noting could go wrong with this....

Texican....

No disrespect intended but it ain't gonna happen.
 

Peanut

Resident Pit Yorkie :)
Susan Zhang, PhD, B.Med‏ @susanzh77455188 6h6 hours ago

Susan Zhang, PhD, B.Med Retweeted GNEWS

Doctors in Hubei China warns: Wuhan novel coronavirus causes sudden heart attack during 2nd infection. As the antibodies against virus do not work during 2nd infection, so infection can cause heart failure and further sudden death of people.
Does this mean the people suddenly keeling over were experiencing their 2nd round of this? If so, how long ago did they have their 1st round?
 

Blizzard

Senior Member
Evening Everybody,

Sorry I've not been around, but I'm down to sitting through 2 teleconferences a day and now giving an average of 2 briefs a day to the "uninformed". Keeping my briefings up with the constantly changing data (and trying to pick out actual, proven facts) is challenging.

Here is a link to an article about Corona Virus Persistence on Surfaces (and effectiveness of cleaning agents). Good hard data for you folks to argue about.

https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/fulltext

Sorry if it was posted previous, but I don't have the time to search these 369 pages and those of the Q-thread to see.

Other numbers floating in the Ivory Tower Universe: R0=4.7-6.6, Mortality Rate = 5.4% of those that could be verified (suspect much higher as proven by the "Bring out your dead" twitter video).

Re-infection is a big topic with the talking ("I haven't been out of my office in years") heads right now. It's suspected those in quarantine are re-infecting others. Cause of death is heart failure (I have no specific data on that yet). The information on the link below has been verified (though I'm not a real fan of the source).

Chinese doctors: Coronavirus can reinfect people, and the second infection can lead to heart failure — TheBlaze

Gotta go. Stay calm, be safe, be practical, practice safe Coronavirus Panic Sex, and PRAY.

Blizzard, MD, FACEP
 
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Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
Susan Zhang, PhD, B.Med‏ @susanzh77455188 6h6 hours ago

Susan Zhang, PhD, B.Med Retweeted GNEWS

Doctors in Hubei China warns: Wuhan novel coronavirus causes sudden heart attack during 2nd infection. As the antibodies against virus do not work during 2nd infection, so infection can cause heart failure and further sudden death of people.
That doesn't make any kind of medical sense.

One begins to wonder if they aren't misinterpreting the quiescent phase. What they think is a "recovery" is just an intermission.


Oregon man returns to U.S. after leaving Cambodia cruise docked for COVID-19

And THIS, boys and girls, is how you get pandemics.

Doesn't ANYONE on the planet know how to do a quarantine?!?!

I really hope he stays healthy. I really do. But here's the thing: he was on a floating petri dish with someone who was infected! The dude needs to be clubbed, cuffed, and stuffed in a room, yes at GITMO, until he actually clears two weeks. GAAAHHH! Heaven save us from the idiot logic of functionaries.
 
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bw

Fringe Ranger
Oh, no doubt it was hard to watch. Some of it didn't even TRY to make sense, like why the cops were freaking out with hammers at mahjong games. But the parts that DID make sense were terrifying. People getting sealed in apartment buildings with their doors welded shut, people getting beaten half to death seemingly at random,

So what do you suppose happens when our at-promise-youths encounter this world?
 
Oregon man returns to U.S. after leaving Cambodia cruise docked for COVID-19

The man said his cruise was docked and a passenger tested positive for COVID-19, or coronavirus. He left the secure watch of his hotel to return to the PNW.

Author: KING 5 Staff
Published: 6:50 PM PST February 17, 2020
Updated: 6:50 PM PST February 17, 2020

SEATTLE — An Oregon man is back on U.S. soil after the cruise ship he was on was turned away from several countries over fears surrounding COVID-19, formerly known as the coronavirus.

Professional comedian Frank King was set to perform on a Holland-America Westerdam cruise. That cruise left Hong Kong and was ultimately turned away from four countries before finding refuge in Cambodia.

“It’s kind of like the Hotel California... I’m not going to check out but I am leaving,” King said.
When the cruise docked in Cambodia, an American tested positive for COVID-19.

“And then when she tested positive, nobody is leaving the hotel. It wasn’t like an armed camp, but they were watching you. If you walked out with your backpack beside you, that’s fine. If you did like I did and you drag your luggage, they tried to stop you," King said.

King walked out of the hotel and ended up booking a flight from Cambodia to Bangkok. From there, he flew to Dubai and then ultimately landed in Seattle.

He said the U.S. Customs & Border Patrol were expecting him.

“They knew. They had my name on the list and they knew. They go ‘are you Mr. King? Were you on the Westerdam?' I said yes. I thought “oh man, I’m going to Guantanamo.’ But because I hadn’t been on mainland China and I’d been outside the incubation period and hadn’t been in close contact with anyone with the flu, they said you are free to go,” King said.
It took two hours for King to clear customs.

King plans on renting a car and drive from Seattle to his home in Eugene, Oregon.

In a statement, Holland America said it’s still working with the Cambodian health ministry and are working to clear passengers once they test negative.

They anticipate this will take several more days.


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LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
Ummm... No. You assumption is incorrect.

This would be a hilarious time for one of the Fusion Centers to chime in and say, "Yes. We can."

Yes. They can.

And have been for quite some time. Considering that most of the Virtual Assistant's (VA's) natural language processing and AI systems have been around for a lot longer than Google's, Amazon's, Apple's, or any of the others that we are familiar with today. DARPA and SRI have been working hard in this field for over 45 years. And there are plenty of other players in the field now, and they are tied into all sorts of systems, including everything from DMV systems, to Medical EHR systems, to things as mundane as pizza phone ordering systems. And with scalable processing as a norm now, Apple's Siri, Amazon's Alexa, and Google's half a dozen systems they play with never get tired, and never run out of processing power to deal with all sorts of users piling on randomly. The same is true for the systems that monitor communications, and they don't ever have to respond like the VA systems do, they just have to take notes and send them to a series of databases. Once there, other systems create the links and take care of tracking who says and does what. SIGINT and COMINT on a global scale are no longer a problem. The systems are not getting swamped with data, they are actually starving for data. They need more input to get higher detail. Ask yourself this: Why, are they really doing everything that they can to not only make the internet available and connected to everyone, everywhere, but also make it as fast as they can in as many places where the majority of people live and work? If you can stream a video and download large files on a 150Mb/s pipe now, why do they need to put in bigger pipes, faster WiFi, and 5G wireless in bands that really are a PITA to make connect for more than a few hundred meters between base station and user? The answer is simple, they want to be able to pull data from thousands of new sources, and not just text or voice, but video and other data. They can handle all the text and voice the 7.8+ billion people on the planet can dish out now with what they have, they just don't have enough input into the system to make the system "all encompassing". When they put 10Gb/s out to every small town, then video and other data can be collected and analyzed at the same rate voice and text was back in the 1990s. And it's not just the microphones and fairly decent cameras we keep with us every day (our cellphones), but thousands of new toys that have a bad habit of spying on us (windows 10 anyone). Think of the capabilities of a system that not only has multiple microphones in every Amazon Echo to be able to hear with spatial capabilities that would make the quadraphonic sound of the 1970s seem archaic, but also has a camera on the front door, and inside almost every house (does video doorbells and home security systems "Ring" a bell). And with companies doing the data mining, analysis, and contact chaining, TPTB can have free access to whatever they want to know without having to deal with FISA or FISC, or any other laws.

Loup
 

jward

passin' thru
So what do you suppose happens when our at-promise-youths encounter this world?

well since this is the night for dreams: maybe it will be that brush with reality and it's bitter bite that their poorly prepared selves have lacked...and like the adversity that shaped, honed and brought into being our previous generations' resolve and character, they will be changed for the good.

It could happen. It will happen, the question is only, will it be to tens or hundreds or ??? In all the wailing and gnashing o' teeth, we may have forgotten that thing someone somewhere once said 'bout something "what we need is something with tears for a change. Nothing costs enough here.”
 
Covid-19: Wuhan starts three-day door-to-door screening campaign
  • ASEAN+
  • Tuesday, 18 Feb 2020
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    Inspectors visiting a home for a household survey at the Zhongda community in the Jianghan district of Wuhan, Hubei province on Feb 17, 2020. - China Daily/ANN

  • 12:02 PM MYT
WUHAN (China Daily/ANN): Authorities in Wuhan, the epicentre of the novel coronavirus pneumonia outbreak in Hubei province, launched a three-day campaign on Monday (Feb 17)to screen people in order to leave no one unattended and curb the spread of the contagion.

The screening work came after the city issued a public notice on Friday that required all residential communities to be locked down and reduce people's movement to limit transmission of the disease.

All residential communities throughout the city are required to be checked door-to-door to identify infected people, suspected cases and those who have close contact with infected people, Wang Zhonglin, Party secretary of Wuhan, said at a video conference on Sunday.

Wang urged officials to be highly responsible for people's health, and "leave no household, no one behind "during the screening process.

Fever patients, people who have had close contact with confirmed cases and suspected cases of infections must receive nucleic acid tests in a timely manner while those with confirmed cases must be hospitalized, he added.

On Monday, while chairing a meeting on epidemic prevention and control, Wang called for efforts to provide more beds to hospitals to admit more patients. He told officials attending the meeting that every effort must be made to improve the admission and recovery rates and reduce the infection and mortality rates.

While stressing that violations of the regulations on the community lockdown will be punished, Wang also underlined the need to improve the commodity delivery systems to guarantee the supply of daily necessities to residents.

Acting on government instructions, residential communities have strengthened control of their entrances. Tian Ming, head of a neighborhood committee in Wuhan East Lake High-Tech Development Zone, organized 30 community workers to do screening from early Monday morning.

"We have 1,315 households in the community. We will visit them door-to-door, learning how many people there are in the homes, noting their telephone numbers, checking their temperatures and taking note of whether they have health problems,"Tian told China Daily.

The community workers operate in shifts to provide round-the-clock services to the residents to ensure they can be reached at any time for assistance in health problems or supplies of daily necessities, he said.

Wang Qiong, Party secretary of the Zhongda community in the city's Hanjiang district, said the community has a massive floating population due to its proximity to markets.

As many people returned to their homes before Lunar New Year, 1,159 people in 644 households in the community have been reached to identify their health condition by making calls, contacting them on WeChat or sending messages by mobile phone, Wang said, adding that seniors or people with disabilities would be reached by home visits.

Wu Hanyun, a 62-year-old man living in the community with his wife, said that he understands the lockdown of communities in the city.

"The fact that we are not going outdoors is our contribution to the nation's efforts to combat the novel coronavirus pneumonia," he told China Daily by phone.

Wu said the community workers help his family a lot with daily necessities.

"I believe we can triumph over the difficulties through united efforts. Stay strong, Wuhan!" he added.

- China Daily/Asia News Network

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Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yes. They can.

And have been for quite some time. Considering that most of the Virtual Assistant's (VA's) natural language processing and AI systems have been around for a lot longer than Google's, Amazon's, Apple's, or any of the others that we are familiar with today. DARPA and SRI have been working hard in this field for over 45 years. And there are plenty of other players in the field now, and they are tied into all sorts of systems, including everything from DMV systems, to Medical EHR systems, to things as mundane as pizza phone ordering systems. And with scalable processing as a norm now, Apple's Siri, Amazon's Alexa, and Google's half a dozen systems they play with never get tired, and never run out of processing power to deal with all sorts of users piling on randomly. The same is true for the systems that monitor communications, and they don't ever have to respond like the VA systems do, they just have to take notes and send them to a series of databases. Once there, other systems create the links and take care of tracking who says and does what. SIGINT and COMINT on a global scale are no longer a problem. The systems are not getting swamped with data, they are actually starving for data. They need more input to get higher detail. Ask yourself this: Why, are they really doing everything that they can to not only make the internet available and connected to everyone, everywhere, but also make it as fast as they can in as many places where the majority of people live and work? If you can stream a video and download large files on a 150Mb/s pipe now, why do they need to put in bigger pipes, faster WiFi, and 5G wireless in bands that really are a PITA to make connect for more than a few hundred meters between base station and user? The answer is simple, they want to be able to pull data from thousands of new sources, and not just text or voice, but video and other data. They can handle all the text and voice the 7.8+ billion people on the planet can dish out now with what they have, they just don't have enough input into the system to make the system "all encompassing". When they put 10Gb/s out to every small town, then video and other data can be collected and analyzed at the same rate voice and text was back in the 1990s. And it's not just the microphones and fairly decent cameras we keep with us every day (our cellphones), but thousands of new toys that have a bad habit of spying on us (windows 10 anyone). Think of the capabilities of a system that not only has multiple microphones in every Amazon Echo to be able to hear with spatial capabilities that would make the quadraphonic sound of the 1970s seem archaic, but also has a camera on the front door, and inside almost every house (does video doorbells and home security systems "Ring" a bell). And with companies doing the data mining, analysis, and contact chaining, TPTB can have free access to whatever they want to know without having to deal with FISA or FISC, or any other laws.

Loup


Let those who have eyes, see; let those who have ears, LISTEN.

And remember.
 

adgal

Veteran Member
Evening Everybody,

Sorry I've not been around, but I'm down to sitting through 2 teleconferences a day and now giving an average of 2 briefs a day to the "uninformed". Keeping my briefings up with the constantly changing data (and trying to pick out actual, proven facts is challenging.

Here is a link to an article about Corona Virus Persistence on Surfaces (and effectiveness of cleaning agents). Good hard data for you folks to argue about.

https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/fulltext

Sorry if it was posted previous, but I don't have the time to search these 369 pages and those of the Q-thread to see.

Other numbers floating in the Ivory Tower Universe: R0=4.7-6.6, Mortality Rate = 5.4% of those that could be verified (suspect much higher as proven by the "Bring out your dead" twitter video).

Re-infection is a big topic with the talking ("I haven't been out of my office in years") heads right now. It's suspected those in quarantine are re-infecting others. Cause of death is heart failure (I have no specific data on that yet). The information on the link below has been verified (though I'm not a real fan of the source).

Chinese doctors: Coronavirus can reinfect people, and the second infection can lead to heart failure — TheBlaze

Gotta go. Stay calm, be safe, be practical, practice safe Coronavirus Panic Sex, and PRAY.

Blizzard, MD, FACEP
Thank you for the update!!!
 

PanBear

Veteran Member
Eric Feigl-Ding‏ @DrEricDing 12m12 minutes ago

Very sad to hear if true: “the director of Wuchang Hospital in Wuhan, Liu Zhiming, died Tuesday morning after "all-out rescue efforts failed," state broadcaster CCTV reported.” So many top doctors are dying of this.


Simon Obeng
Replying to @CGTNOfficial
February 17, 2020
Check these coincidences in a book written in 1981 about a virus Wuhan-400 in 2020

View: https://twitter.com/simeoneos/status/1229627107753517056



The Eyes of Darkness
by Dean Koontz


wow
 

jward

passin' thru
We talked bout the book, and the poor dr :*( upthread... think we had a link for a free online version of the book there, too, ifin yas want to add to your doomageddon stash! I got my copy LOLOL, gonna read it while watching contagion. For realz.
(probably hiding under my covers for realz, too!!) : )
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
(fair use applies)

Coronavirus could impact 5 million companies worldwide, new research shows
Published Mon, Feb 17 20209:07 AM EST | Updated 14 min ago
Elliot Smith

Key Points
  • A special briefing issued by global business research firm Dun & Bradstreet analyzed the Chinese provinces most impacted by the virus, and found they are intricately linked to the global business network
  • Almost half (49%) of the companies with subsidiaries in impacted regions are headquartered in Hong Kong, while the U.S. accounts for 19%, Japan 12% and Germany 5%.
  • Dun & Bradstreet researchers found that at least 51,000 companies worldwide, 163 of which are in the Fortune 1000, have one or more direct or “tier 1” suppliers in the impacted region.
The new coronavirus outbreak and subsequent shutdown of huge swathes of China could impact more than 5 million businesses worldwide, according to a new study.

A special briefing issued by global data analytics firm Dun & Bradstreet analyzed the Chinese provinces most impacted by the virus, and found they are intricately linked to the global business network.

The affected areas with 100 or more confirmed cases as of February 5 are home to more than 90% of all active businesses in China, according to the report, and around 49,000 businesses in these regions are branches and subsidiaries of foreign companies.


Almost half (49%) of the companies with subsidiaries in impacted regions are headquartered in Hong Kong, while the U.S. accounts for 19%, Japan 12% and Germany 5%.

As of Monday, over 70,000 cases of the virus have been confirmed in China, resulting in 1,770 deaths, according to the Chinese National Health Commission.

Dun & Bradstreet researchers found that at least 51,000 companies worldwide, 163 of which are in the Fortune 1000, have one or more direct or “tier 1” suppliers in the impacted region, while at least 5 million — and 938 in the Fortune 1000 — have one or more “tier 2" suppliers.

The impact on businesses in China and around the world is already dragging down economic growth forecasts for the year.

In a research note published Monday, Moody’s revised down its global growth forecasts by two-tenths of a percentage point, expecting G-20 economies to collectively grow at an annual rate of 2.4% in 2020 with China slipping to 5.2%.

This assumes a baseline forecast that the spread of the virus is contained by the end of the first quarter, restoring “normal economic activity” in the second quarter. However, the global economic toll would be “severe” if the rate of infection and rising death toll do not abate, with international supply chain disruptions amplifying the shock.

“There is already evidence albeit anecdotal - that supply chains are being disrupted, including outside China. Furthermore, extended lockdowns in China would have a global impact given the country’s importance and interconnectedness in the global economy,” Moody’s Vice President Madhavi Bokil said in the research note.

The Dun & Bradstreet report identified that the top five major sectors, accounting for more than 80% of businesses within impacted provinces, were services, wholesale trade, manufacturing, retail and financial services.


Dun & Bradstreet hypothesized that a major portion of Chinese employment and sales originate from companies within the impacted region.

The impacted provinces of, for instance, Guangdong, Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Beijing and Shandong account for 50% of total employment and 48% of total sales volume for the Chinese economy.

The Chinese economy constitutes around 20% of global GDP (gross domestic product) and analysts estimated that if containment of the outbreak is delayed beyond the summer, the “cascading effect” might cause a drag of around one percentage point on global GDP growth.

“No matter which scenario plays out, the Hubei region, China, and the global economy are indicated to see a churn in their business population and some lackluster employment and revenue growth in the near-term,” the company said in the report.

“When (not if) containment and eradication is achieved, factors within the impacted geography are bound to generate economic activity with consumers, satisfying pent-up demand once improved conditions are underway. The sum of the efforts to revitalize the region will place the global economy back on track for sustained growth.”
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Some longtime prepping friends, that we'd bounced crisis/disaster scenarios off each other over the years,
have been sending me rather lengthy theories or videos of the possible, worst-case nefarious, origins of this
CoronaVirus. They want to debate the merits of them, but to all I'm pretty much responding the same for now...

I read it cause you’d asked, otherwise I wouldn’t have. I think it likely BS,
but I’ve been purposely avoiding reading/studying/debating theories of the
origin of this CoronaVirus, at this time. It’s low on my priorities of where to
expend my limited time & energy, right now.

I look at this current virus crisis like a forest fire raging towards my family.
I’m busy getting out of the way of it, and prepping to hunker down if I can’t.
Later, if we survived it, when I have more time, I’ll be more inclined to study
different theories of origin, whether it was natural occurrence (lightning strike)
or man-made, and whether then on purpose unleashed (fire bug) or accident.

Make sense?

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!

- Shane

Pfffft...

Buzzkill...
 
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