Obama's new 'long form' Birth certificate a definate fraud.

CRodgers

CRodgers

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The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father.

No big deal, right?

At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in "Kenya, East Africa". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could have Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British East Africa Protectorate". The first direct elections for Africans to the Legislative Council took place in 1957. Despite British hopes of handing power to "moderate" African rivals, it was the Kenya African National Union (KANU) of Jomo Kenyatta that formed a government shortly before Kenya became independent on 12 December 1963, on the same day forming the first Constitution of Kenya. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya#History

But, this is not the only thing that I found that just does not add up.

The other item that I looked into was the hospital that Obama was born in. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital". This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?

Go ahead, look it up. I am not talking crazy talk, these are the facts. Like I said, I thought that this was a non-issue until the actual certificate was released. Now that it has been released, of course I had to look into it. I have found these issues, now I know that something is up. If you doubt me, just look at the following resources:

You can read about the 1978 merger here which for now is still online. http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx
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http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=203319
 
Cascadians

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
There are so many reasons it's fraudulent, too many to list. All lies and fraud all the time. Constant sewer of rotten lies overflowing from .gov
 
undead

undead

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Could one of the more left-leaning members please extrapolate or rationalize?


puuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhleeeeeeeze
 
CRodgers

CRodgers

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This also bares to mention that you can easily open the PDF inside Adobe Illustrator and turn on and off the text elements and background, signatures etc.

Why?

Because it was created in Illustrator.

You can't do that with any other PDF that was scanned in or otherwise.
 
mt4design

mt4design

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Very interesting.

The hospital name may not be an issue as it is the same on the Nordyke twin's certificates and they were born a day after Obama was supposedly born in Hawaii.

But, the fact that Kenya was not recognized as an actual nation until 1964 is a big problem.

http://www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/kenya.htm

The line should read, Kenya, BRITISH East Africa as it was known.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Africa_Protectorate

http://www.city-data.com/world-cities/Nairobi-History.html

The country known today as Kenya was created by European colonialism in Africa, which lasted from the mid-1800s to the 1960s. Kenya was a British protectorate from 1895 to 1920 and a colony from 1920 to 1963.

Prior to 1870 the peoples of what is now Kenya were independent of European control; they governed themselves through councils of elders. However, in 1884 the Sultan of Zanzibar, Seyyid Bargash, allowed a trading concession to the British East Africa Company; thus, British interest in East Africa was sparked by private enterprise.

In addition to the British East Africa Company, pioneer missionaries also came to East Africa to spread Christianity and to help abolish the slave trade. An 1886 Anglo-German treaty partitioned East Africa between the two powers, placing the future Kenya in the British sphere and the future Tanzania in the German sphere. In 1888 the British East Africa Company was granted a Royal Charter and renamed the Imperial British East Africa Company (IBEA). The company was given exclusive rights to commercially exploit the British sphere. In 1895 the territory lying between Mombasa and the eastern edge of the Rift Valley (the future Kenya) was declared the East African Protectorate. In 1902, the eastern province of Uganda was added to the East African Protectorate. In 1920 the Protectorate was declared a Crown Colony and renamed Kenya. The name Kenya appears to have come from the Kamba word Kinyaa, meaning "ostrich."
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Mike
 
Kayak

Kayak

Adrenaline Junkie
I do believe the birth certificate is a fraud, but I'm not sure these arguments are the proof.

Kenya was formed as a nation in the 60's, but it existed long before then as Kenya. Here is a National Geographic map from 1950

http://www.ngmapcollection.com/product.aspx?cid=1534&pid=15640

Here's another map from 1950:

http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/photolib/maps/Map of Africa 1950.htm

If someone were born in Guam right now, they would be listed as having been born in Guam, even though Guam is a territory of the US. So his dad was listed as being born in Kenya, which is likely geographically correct.

There are a lot of reasons to believe it is fake, we must be careful about positing proof that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

I see enough conflicting information about the hospital that I'm not sure of the reality with that one. But having it side by side with the bit about Kenya will make some people decide it's not true, either. I'd like to hear from some people who lived in the area at the time, and I'd like to see how other birth certificates in that time frame list the hospital.
 
Palmetto

Palmetto

Son, Husband, Father
undead said:
Could one of the more left-leaning members please extrapolate or rationalize?


puuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhleeeeeeeze
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Crickets.......

They cannot respond because they don't believe Obama was born. He is the Messiah after all.

Palmetto
 
undead

undead

Veteran Member
I personally don't know what to believe anymore. Obama has revealed about nothing in regards to his past.

I'll be happy once this BC is examined by a neutral 3rd party expert first-hand. Not some web depiction.
 
T

Troke

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"...The line should read, Kenya, BRITISH East Africa as it was known. .."

Really? Why? Bet that when Daddy was asked, he said Kenya and nobody in the hospital rushed out to get a geography book.

And the hospital name problem has been debunked too.

There is enough PHOG around O's birth. You don't need to chase rabbits that don't exist.
 
CRodgers

CRodgers

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How was the hospital name debunked? Source please.

The hospital website even has the name listed wasn't in affect until after his birth which means if this was a true copy of his original birth record then it would have the original name.

You also failed to recognize that the PDF released was not a scanned image but was created in Adobe Illustrator. That in itself makes it a fake in my eyes.

Someone is drinking out of the koolaid well again.
 
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