CORONA PPSV-23 pneumonia vaccine question

[jazzy]

i saw on th e coronavirus thread that dozdoats mentioned they got the PPSV-23 pneumonia vaccine . im thinking it might be a good idea. aobut 10yrs ago we got a multi strain one but i dont reacll if it was thois or another. we are in our mid 60s and thinking about doing this. any thoughts? is there a different choice? we arent vaccine people..
thanks
jazzy

 

[ibetiny]

Been in pharmacy for 15 years.......get the shot.

 

[Reasonable Rascal]

You most likely had the PCV13 version. Separate from the PPSV23. For full protection you need both as they cover different strains.

RR

 

[Dozdoats]

CDC say-

Adult Vaccines

Many adults need pneumococcal vaccines. Make sure you are up to date.

www.cdc.gov

Many adults may be at increased risk for pneumococcal disease and not know it. Two vaccines provide protection against this serious and sometimes deadly disease. Talk to your clinician to make sure you are up to date on these and other recommended vaccines.

Each year in the United States, pneumococcal disease kills thousands of adults. Thousands more end up in the hospital because of pneumococcal disease. It can cause severe infections of the lungs (pneumonia), bloodstream (bacteremia), and lining of the brain and spinal cord (meningitis). Vaccines are the best way to prevent pneumococcal disease.
Two vaccines help prevent pneumococcal disease:

• PCV13 (pneumococcal conjugate vaccine)
• PPSV23 (pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine)

PCV13 protects against 13 strains of pneumococcal bacteria and PPSV23 protects against 23 strains of pneumococcal bacteria. Both vaccines provide protection against illnesses like meningitis and bacteremia. PCV13 also provides protection against pneumonia.

Which Adults Should and Shouldn’t Get PCV13?
CDC recommends PCV13 for:

• All adults 65 years or older
• Adults 19 years or older with certain health conditions

Don’t get PCV13 if you have ever had a life-threatening allergic reaction to:

• A shot of the vaccine
• An earlier pneumococcal vaccine called PCV7 (or Prevnar)
• Any vaccine containing diphtheria toxoid (for example, DTaP)

In addition, anyone with a severe allergy to any component of PCV13 should not get the vaccine.

Courtesy of the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases. View larger version and text description.external icon

Which Adults Should and Shouldn’t Get PPSV23?
CDC recommends PPSV23 for:

• All adults 65 years or older
• Adults 19 through 64 years old with certain health conditions or who smoke cigarettes

Don’t get PPSV23 if you:

• Ever had a life-threatening allergic reaction to a shot of PPSV23
• Have a severe allergy to any component of the vaccine

Pneumococcal Vaccines Are Safe
These vaccines are safe, but side effects can occur. Most side effects are mild, such as arm swelling or soreness, and do not affect daily activities.

You Shouldn’t Get Both Pneumococcal Vaccines at the Same Time
CDC recommends against getting PCV13 and PPSV23 at the same time. If you need both vaccines, get PCV13 first, followed by a shot of PPSV23 at another visit. Talk with your healthcare professional to find out when you should come back for the second vaccine.

You Can Get Influenza and Either Pneumococcal Vaccine at the Same Time
You can get either pneumococcal vaccine (but not both) when you get the influenza (flu) vaccine. While you don’t need a pneumococcal vaccine every year, it is important to get a flu vaccine each flu season. Having the flu increases your risk of getting pneumococcal disease.
/snip

 

[Dennis Olson]

If you’ve ever had chicken pox, BE SURE to get the shingles vax.

 

[TxGal]

We are also hesitant about vaccines, at least the flu vaccine & shingles, but definitely recommend the pneumonia vaccines.

I've posted before in previous discussions like this one that my DH got pneumonia twice in his 30s. He was deathly ill, so much so that we were able to convince our MDs to give him the shot at his younger age, and this was in the early 80s. He had his 2nd shot about 8 yrs ago.

I just had mine a few months ago, the first one. I will get the 2nd one next year. We're both 65.

 

[night driver]

A couple years ago it was Prevnar 13 (or what my doc called it) and this year he called it Prevnar 23. Got em both and my cases of pneumonia have almost all been mycoplasma pneumonia.

AND with what is coming down the pike you NEED the bacterial protection.

 

[Dennis Olson]

I’ve heard that people scream in pain from shingles. Anyone who wants to roll those dice, the results are on you.

 

[jazzy]

ive had shingles several times over the years and it is not fun, i always used L-lysine 1000mg 4x a day and vit C for 2 full wkks, in just 3-4 days the symptoms were gone but you got to take it for 2 weeks. works very good for me. this year i had a rough outbreak and in a different area than usual. worse than ive ever had and used the L-lysine plus the liposomal vit c, 1T three times a day, increased to 3T three times a day and that made all the difference, it stopped the shingles pain in just a few min. i know some people support the shingles vac and some dont, we all got to make our choices.
but im leaning towards the PPSV-23 pneumonia vaccine

 

[Dennis Olson]

If one has already had a shingles outbreak, it’s too late for the vax.

 

[Tink]

CDC say-

Adult Vaccines

Many adults need pneumococcal vaccines. Make sure you are up to date.

www.cdc.gov

Many adults may be at increased risk for pneumococcal disease and not know it. Two vaccines provide protection against this serious and sometimes deadly disease. Talk to your clinician to make sure you are up to date on these and other recommended vaccines.

Each year in the United States, pneumococcal disease kills thousands of adults. Thousands more end up in the hospital because of pneumococcal disease. It can cause severe infections of the lungs (pneumonia), bloodstream (bacteremia), and lining of the brain and spinal cord (meningitis). Vaccines are the best way to prevent pneumococcal disease.
Two vaccines help prevent pneumococcal disease:

• PCV13 (pneumococcal conjugate vaccine)
• PPSV23 (pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine)

PCV13 protects against 13 strains of pneumococcal bacteria and PPSV23 protects against 23 strains of pneumococcal bacteria. Both vaccines provide protection against illnesses like meningitis and bacteremia. PCV13 also provides protection against pneumonia.

Which Adults Should and Shouldn’t Get PCV13?
CDC recommends PCV13 for:

• All adults 65 years or older
• Adults 19 years or older with certain health conditions

Don’t get PCV13 if you have ever had a life-threatening allergic reaction to:

• A shot of the vaccine
• An earlier pneumococcal vaccine called PCV7 (or Prevnar)
• Any vaccine containing diphtheria toxoid (for example, DTaP)

In addition, anyone with a severe allergy to any component of PCV13 should not get the vaccine.

Courtesy of the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases. View larger version and text description.external icon

Which Adults Should and Shouldn’t Get PPSV23?
CDC recommends PPSV23 for:

• All adults 65 years or older
• Adults 19 through 64 years old with certain health conditions or who smoke cigarettes

Don’t get PPSV23 if you:

• Ever had a life-threatening allergic reaction to a shot of PPSV23
• Have a severe allergy to any component of the vaccine

Pneumococcal Vaccines Are Safe
These vaccines are safe, but side effects can occur. Most side effects are mild, such as arm swelling or soreness, and do not affect daily activities.

You Shouldn’t Get Both Pneumococcal Vaccines at the Same Time
CDC recommends against getting PCV13 and PPSV23 at the same time. If you need both vaccines, get PCV13 first, followed by a shot of PPSV23 at another visit. Talk with your healthcare professional to find out when you should come back for the second vaccine.

You Can Get Influenza and Either Pneumococcal Vaccine at the Same Time
You can get either pneumococcal vaccine (but not both) when you get the influenza (flu) vaccine. While you don’t need a pneumococcal vaccine every year, it is important to get a flu vaccine each flu season. Having the flu increases your risk of getting pneumococcal disease.
/snip

I was told to come back between 6 months to year after getting the 23, for the 13

 

[Dozdoats]

Yes, my doc's CMA put it on my chart to get the 13 after a year.

 

[jazzy]

thanks everyone, i appreciate yalls input. walgreens has a discount coupon for the vaccine.

 

[Reasonable Rascal]

If one has already had a shingles outbreak, it’s too late for the vax.

Not true, it can prevent future outbreaks.

RR

 

[David Nettleton]

i saw on th e coronavirus thread that dozdoats mentioned they got the PPSV-23 pneumonia vaccine . im thinking it might be a good idea. aobut 10yrs ago we got a multi strain one but i dont reacll if it was thois or another. we are in our mid 60s and thinking about doing this. any thoughts? is there a different choice? we arent vaccine people..
thanks
jazzy

I do not like/trust vaccines. However, the two pneumonia vaccines I got.

 

[Red Baron]

You most likely had the PCV13 version. Separate from the PPSV23. For full protection you need both as they cover different strains.

RR

I would consider that very good advice and very good timing. At least in my case.

Based on your post, I got the PCV13 today at my scheduled pulmonologist appointment.

I got a refresher PPSV23 vaccine a year ago. PPSV23 is typically administered to those 65 and older. PCV13 is generally administered to infants. You can have -both- of the shots but they need to be separated by at least one year.

My pulmonologist thought it was a very good idea to have both shots and asked me where I got the idea from.

I told him, "I read it on the Internet".

He laughed and was impressed that I did my homework before I got to his office.

Personally I think vaccines are a -vital- part of "prepping".

Regardless of the nature of a possible national calamity. It is very important to take care of basic personal health needs and issues before TSHTF. Getting any medical aid may be very difficult at that point and may expose oneself to the hordes of desperate people who were not better prepared or educated.

Now I need to get a new eyewear prescription and some spare glasses.

 

[Reasonable Rascal]

Good on you.

Wife has had both pneumo vaccines but she still acquired pneumonia recently right on the tail of a bout with Flu B and Strep combined. Sub Teacher, so guess where she got it? She's been doing a lot of subbing with the Spec Ed kids lately.

Considering her first experience with pneumonia back in "07 I shudder to think what might have transpired had she not had the protection they offer. Perfect? No. Helpful? Yes. The first time she nearly ended up on a ventilator. This time was 3 days in the hospital and out and today back to work for the first time since.

Might have to get her one of these to keep her safe at work.

RR

 

[Capt. Eddie]

I got mine last month along with a flu shot, both for the first time ever.

 

[Dozdoats]

When I got the vaccine, my doc hammered on me to make sure I understood that it did not confer total immunity and I could still get pneumonia despite the vaccine. I knew that and went ahead with it to get whatever protection I could.

 

[Capt. Eddie]

When I got the vaccine, my doc hammered on me to make sure I understood that it did not confer total immunity and I could still get pneumonia despite the vaccine. I knew that and went ahead with it to get whatever protection I could.

Same here, with both pneumonia and flu, I said I'll take what I can get also.

 

[Jackpine Savage]

If you’ve ever had chicken pox, BE SURE to get the shingles vax.

I passed on it last year. They wanted $600 for each shot, two shots required.

A friend just told me CVS has the shots for $120 each. Need to get a script the next time in.

 

[Dozdoats]

There is viral pneumonia, and there is bacterial pneumonia. These vaccines help offer some protection against bacterial pneumonia. See Post #4 on this thread for more information on the vaccines discussed here, or just click on http://xf.timebomb2000.com/xf/index...eumonia-vaccine-question.568782/#post-7606308 to go there.

Note - your medical decisions are your own, my doc knows I generally refuse vaccinations and was shocked that I wanted this one. He pretended to have his feelings hurt because I would take advice from strangers on the Internet and not him

 

[Dennis Olson]

Thankfully, I was insured at the time and the series cost me nothing.

 

[Dozdoats]

I took the CNA class in 2016 and before I could do the clinical portion of the class, I had to have all my shots up to date. I had no idea what I needed, so I asked my GP to run a titer for me. I used the results of that to update what I needed, the local health department had no problems with that and neither did the college where I took the class.

Titers & immunity testing
A Titer lab report can identify how many antibodies are in a person's bloodstream, which can identify immunity to a particular disease. If you have been vaccinated previously but are not sure if you are still immune, or if you have never been vaccinated but may have developed immunity, the Titers testing can tell you if you need further vaccines or not.

-- MinuteClinic

OBTW, the results said I would be immune to chicken pox for about a century after I was dead, they had never seen that level of chicken pox antibodies. I had a bad case when I was a kid ...

 

[Red Baron]

I passed on it last year. They wanted $600 for each shot, two shots required.

A friend just told me CVS has the shots for $120 each. Need to get a script the next time in.

My insurance wouldn't cover the shingles shot until I was 60. Then I got it.

 

[Jackpine Savage]

My insurance wouldn't cover the shingles shot until I was 60. Then I got it.

I'm 61, but have a $6,000 deductible. Efing Obamacare.

 

[Red Baron]

I'm 61, but have a $6,000 deductible. Efing Obamacare.

That CVS deal is sounding pretty good.

 

[jazzy]

UPDATE ON PMEUMONIA 23 VACCINE

we went to town today to go to walgreens that had the vaccines, we printed off a coupon that gave a discount so it would have been $90 each. when we went to the pharmacy and talked with the lady who was going to do the paperwork she said if we had mediciare (we did) it would be FREE if we went to the county health clinic just down the road.
so we did, signed in, fille dou the papers and YEs the vaccine was FREE. aloso we got a FREE tetanus booster we had been needing also---also fREE.

we took out newly liberated $180 we had been saving up for the shot and hit the grocery store

so if you are thinking of getting it call your county health clinic to see if you can get it free

 

[NoMoreLibs]

Got the pneumonia vax a few years back. Think about it, when you hear of people of dying, it's typically not the illness they went to the hospital for; it's pneumonia that gets them nearly every time.

But what's good for me may not be good for others. I'm not a doctor nor did I stay at an overpriced hotel last night.

 

[byronandkathy2003]

I’ve heard that people scream in pain from shingles. Anyone who wants to roll those dice, the results are on you.

i didn't scream when i had the shingles i just bitched about them yes they hurt some but not that bad..
the doc gave a prescription for some pills to take and i got better..
kathy can tell you i was not a happy camper but i was not screaming from them..

 

[Loretta Van Riet]

I worked for a wonderful boss who developed post herpectic syndrome and allodynia after her rashes subsided. She was in constant agony and would scream while getting dressed for work. I was 52 at the time and begged for the shingles shot.

I now look forward to getting the new and improved shingles vaccine. Nerve blocks and lidocaine patches didn't help her.

 

[jazzy]

shingles- - L-lysine 1000 mg tablets i take 2 of them 3 times a day
liposomal vit C - learn to make it yourself - i took 3T three times a day that THAT stopped the pain
do this for 2 full weeks