Envr Preparing to Survive and Thrive in a Solar Minimum climate

Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Well, I've been actively "connected" to my local outdoor environment for a lot of years now. I stretch intellectually to understand the research that is shared, knowing my knowledge base of basic science is still rudimentary. So I operate from observation, experience, memory, and intuition. I have 30 years knowledge of the area I'm in now... and a fair bit of historical information about living south of the great lakes in the moraine. More and more, I'm starting to keep notes.

The start & end of the seasons is volatile - normally. But there has been a decided delay to the start of new seasons, for a decade or so. Until this year. Summer was NOT as hot as normal in this location. We had a bit more rain early on... then it was very dry in late July, August, Sept - as it normally is, but more extreme than normal. The pond was down about 5 feet. The leaves started changed - and falling - much earlier last fall. Normally the oaks will hang on to their leaves until January or so.

I'm thinking about buying seed/nursery stock from Canada. Polar expedition weight long underwear. And stocking 4-5 years worth of split wood. I moved back north to lessen the competition on resources. I have cold weather DNA - BUT - the past zero and below month has tested that. There's probably a high tunnel in my future. Lots of down clothes. And I swear by Uggs.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
One of the things I really liked about the book "A World Made By Hand" was that the author did his research and realized that in his small part of the Northeast (I think rural New York but it has been some time since I read the book) wheat just didn't grow very well and within a couple of years after the gradual "collapse" of things; maize corn (which will grow there) became the staple.

There is a wealthy local landowner (wealthy before the collapse too) that grows buckwheat (he brought it in after living in Japan and grew it as a hobby) greenhouse coffee and other luxury goods; he IMPORTS wheat from other areas but it isn't worth trying to grow in their location.

So even in an area where something is "supposed" to grow on a macro level, it may not grow where you happen to live.

In terms of surviving a climate downturn (or upturn) looking at what the traditional people ate and did in your area can be helpful for personal preparations; I've made some study of the 18th century downturn period; which is more relevant here in Ireland because by that point they had potatoes, pumpkins, turnips (even tomatoes) which they did not have during the 14th century downturn - also we have better records and diaries from the 16th - 19th centuries; especially for individual households and how they managed.

Before the potato; the staples here were dairy (cheese and butter especially), oats, barley and very limited wheat (mostly imported); cattle were king (but you only ate them rarely, they were too important), sheep, goats and chickens. Plus lots of "hedgerow" berries and greens.
 

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
One of the things I really liked about the book "A World Made By Hand" was that the author did his research and realized that in his small part of the Northeast (I think rural New York but it has been some time since I read the book) wheat just didn't grow very well and within a couple of years after the gradual "collapse" of things; maize corn (which will grow there) became the staple.

There is a wealthy local landowner (wealthy before the collapse too) that grows buckwheat (he brought it in after living in Japan and grew it as a hobby) greenhouse coffee and other luxury goods; he IMPORTS wheat from other areas but it isn't worth trying to grow in their location.

So even in an area where something is "supposed" to grow on a macro level, it may not grow where you happen to live.

In terms of surviving a climate downturn (or upturn) looking at what the traditional people ate and did in your area can be helpful for personal preparations; I've made some study of the 18th century downturn period; which is more relevant here in Ireland because by that point they had potatoes, pumpkins, turnips (even tomatoes) which they did not have during the 14th century downturn - also we have better records and diaries from the 16th - 19th centuries; especially for individual households and how they managed.

Before the potato; the staples here were dairy (cheese and butter especially), oats, barley and very limited wheat (mostly imported); cattle were king (but you only ate them rarely, they were too important), sheep, goats and chickens. Plus lots of "hedgerow" berries and greens.

I seem to remember that Rye was also grown as it is very cold hardy. Root vegetables, like beets and turnips, could better withstand frosts and torrential rains.

Weren't pigs "the gentleman who paid the rent" for the small farmers?

von K
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Yes sorry, How COULD I forget the pigs! (answer I am coming down with a nasty virus) yes he was "The Gentlemen that Paid the Rent" especially in the 19th century and they were eaten in the earlier periods as well (though cattle were wealth); I will have to check when mass pig keeping came in, I have a farm annals book around here somewhere that is mostly Dark Ages (the monks kept some of the best "climate records" in Europe).

Rye was also grown, the root vegetables (some of them) come in fairly late, which allowed people to over-winter more cattle and pigs; I think some carrots may have been here in Roman Times but the turnips and rutabagas come in by the 18th century; which was food for livestock as well as people.

The average person (by the late 18th century) was pretty much a serf tied to a holding owned by someone who was either English or Anglo-Norman; they paid rents (hence the pigs) so we're not quite serfs, but they also had to hand over nearly all their produce to the landowner which is why they starved to death and/or were cast out "onto the road" during the potato famine.

The good news is that during the "Great Hunger" there was actually plenty of food to go around (useful from a survival standpoint) it was just all taken by the English government to feed their military who had gotten used to people surviving on nothing much other than potatoes, a few greens, some berries, skim milk and some chicken eggs/old hens.

One thing we won't have if commerce breaks down is wheat, which is why real wheat allergies are higher in Ireland than almost everywhere else because historically people only ate it once or twice a year.
 

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yes sorry, How COULD I forget the pigs! (answer I am coming down with a nasty virus) yes he was "The Gentlemen that Paid the Rent" especially in the 19th century and they were eaten in the earlier periods as well (though cattle were wealth); I will have to check when mass pig keeping came in, I have a farm annals book around here somewhere that is mostly Dark Ages (the monks kept some of the best "climate records" in Europe).

Rye was also grown, the root vegetables (some of them) come in fairly late, which allowed people to over-winter more cattle and pigs; I think some carrots may have been here in Roman Times but the turnips and rutabagas come in by the 18th century; which was food for livestock as well as people.

The average person (by the late 18th century) was pretty much a serf tied to a holding owned by someone who was either English or Anglo-Norman; they paid rents (hence the pigs) so we're not quite serfs, but they also had to hand over nearly all their produce to the landowner which is why they starved to death and/or were cast out "onto the road" during the potato famine.

The good news is that during the "Great Hunger" there was actually plenty of food to go around (useful from a survival standpoint) it was just all taken by the English government to feed their military who had gotten used to people surviving on nothing much other than potatoes, a few greens, some berries, skim milk and some chicken eggs/old hens.

One thing we won't have if commerce breaks down is wheat, which is why real wheat allergies are higher in Ireland than almost everywhere else because historically people only ate it once or twice a year.

The more I think about it, switching over to root vegetables seemed to be a response first adopted by German and Low Countries farmers to the Little Ice Age. There were root varieties specifically developed for human consumption, while others [like a Mangel beet] for animal feed. The orange colored carrot of today was breed by the Dutch from earlier wild, purple fleshed carrots from Central Asia.

France resisted this crop changeover [because their diet was based on Wheat products, like bread] and the populace accordingly suffered greatly with failing crop yields.

Famines were common in France during the Little Ice Age. One harrowing reference I found while reading about France during this period was that "the peasants [survival] were harvest dependent." Said by an aristocrat who had the first and major claim on that year's crop and livestock.

von K
 

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This video is done by a very knowledgeable and experienced homesteader and his wife in the Deep South. Shows how unanticipated shifts in the weather can have major affects on food production. Their raised beds will have to be modified to provide more weather control [turn it into a grow tunnel?]; a needed temperature "buffer" which they never thought necessary being in Louisiana. Their harvest clearly demonstrates how both the yield and quantity harvested is weather dependent.

The Grand Solar Minimum is just getting started!


7:23 minutes

von Koehler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3DGcs3bb04
 

TxGal

Day by day
This video is done by a very knowledgeable and experienced homesteader and his wife in the Deep South. Shows how unanticipated shifts in the weather can have major affects on food production. Their raised beds will have to be modified to provide more weather control [turn it into a grow tunnel?]; a needed temperature "buffer" which they never thought necessary being in Louisiana. Their harvest clearly demonstrates how both the yield and quantity harvested is weather dependent.

The Grand Solar Minimum is just getting started!


7:23 minutes

von Koehler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3DGcs3bb04


I haven't watched this whole video yet, but it's very good. We had a similar experience with our peach trees last year. Two years ago we had a great crop from two dwarf trees at the front of our house (raccoons got all from two trees at the back of our acreage). From just these two trees we had enough to share with neighbors, eat fresh at home, and put up 20 pints of peach jam. Last year we had a late freeze that killed all the budding flowers. We didn't get one single peach, and only a handful of plums, pears, and apples.

In this case it was disheartening. Had we been relying on homegrown fruit for all our needs, without the benefit of grocery stores, it would have been catastrophic.
 

TxGal

Day by day
From whats known about the last glacial period the ice only came down into north america so far and areas like Texas, New Mexico, alabama did not freeze year around but I think would have four months warm enough to grow a good many crops. They could start planing on this and start building soil up in preparation and the farmer is trained on soild building and forbidden to grow corn on it.

Stanb999 made good points about the difference between ice age and little ice age, but I'm going to go with this because the solar minimum really is a huge and very important topic with serious ramifications. We raise a good bit of our own food in a variety of ways, so I've experienced the ups and downs of home food production. An expert I am not!

The first 50 yrs of my life was spent in Northern Virginia, where it's relatively easy to grow a one season garden. My Dad was what would now be considered a master gardener, and we always had a home orchard, berry plants, and a huge garden. I learned much from him, but after retiring to Texas almost 15 yrs ago I was really challenged.

The warmer climate can be a blessing, but also a curse. We have two growing seasons, but like all areas freezes usually come at the worst times. Last year we lost virtually our entire home crop of peaches, apples, plums, and pears to a late freeze. First time that has happened to us in 15 yrs. Here we have not just drought, but summer temps that can get so high they literally kill plants from the heat...they virtually bake, despite proper watering.

We don't grow crops, but I think there are some crop farmers on the board. Here there are dry farmers and wet farmers (those who irrigate). They are the true experts who live the life. They can tell you how one freeze, one late rain, one wind or hail storm can destroy an entire crop. That's a year without that food crop. In a solar minimum it won't be just one farm or one event that ruins a year's crop.

We have a small chicken flock for home use, and we raise cattle on 30 acres. We chose a smaller breed, and in our county the ratio is one head per two acres of grazing land. In a drought, and we went through the last one, the grass stops growing. We were down to bare dirt in many areas, and bought hay for months. We got through it without selling our herd, but many didn't and it was frightfully expensive. Hay was being brought in from Florida in our area. We have several ponds for our cattle (stocked with fish), and we were pumping daily from our well to keep the water levels up; cattle in other areas were getting stuck in the mud of low/dry ponds and many died. Chickens were dying in the chicken houses due to the excessive heat. Egg production goes down in heat and they are more expensive. Food production really is a fragile thing.

Corn is raised not just for humans for also livestock feed, of course. If crops are lost to freeze or other climate effects, we lose livestock feed and vegetables for human consumption, but at least there would be some livestock as a food source. I recall reading an article (I'll try to find it) about I think the Maunder minimum, that said livestock production really took off due to crop failure. When crops were lost, at least the livestock could forage and graze (as long as everything wasn't under ice and snow).

It would appear that there won't be just one answer to food production in a solar minimum. There has to be redundancy so if one component fails for a season or longer, there is another food source.
 

Martinhouse

Deceased
Something to add to TxGal's post...always plant enough so you can harvest as close as possible to two years worth to put by. And NEVER plant all of your seeds in one year! NEVER!
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I haven't watched this whole video yet, but it's very good. We had a similar experience with our peach trees last year. Two years ago we had a great crop from two dwarf trees at the front of our house (raccoons got all from two trees at the back of our acreage). From just these two trees we had enough to share with neighbors, eat fresh at home, and put up 20 pints of peach jam. Last year we had a late freeze that killed all the budding flowers. We didn't get one single peach, and only a handful of plums, pears, and apples.

In this case it was disheartening. Had we been relying on homegrown fruit for all our needs, without the benefit of grocery stores, it would have been catastrophic.

These experiences (which don't require ANY sort of "unusual" weather pattern, really, much less a little ice age) are why I always tell people that when you get a bumper crop of anything that can be stored (dehydrated or canned preferably, but you can even freeze stuff for at least 2-3 years as long as you use a vacuum sealer and quality bags/containers) you put up AT LEAST 2 years worth.

I've got more than that of some items... dehydrated tomatoes, onions, sweet (and hot) peppers, garlic, apples, as well as canned meats, green and wax beans (these keep at least 4 years without any loss in taste, texture, etc, but start getting a little "old" after that)

They won't provide an entire diet, but would be great supplements to basic beans, rice, etc to help prevent "appetite fatigue".

Dried fruit keeps a LONG time in very edible condition.

Summerthyme
 

SquonkHunter

Geezer (ret.)
. . . but you can even freeze stuff for at least 2-3 years as long as you use a vacuum sealer and quality bags/containers) you put up AT LEAST 2 years worth. . . Summerthyme

In my experience this is true. Remove as much air as possible before you seal the bag and even meat will keep for several years with no noticeable loss of quality. Another big thing is keeping your freezer at a constant temperature. Widely fluctuating temps will speed the degradation process.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
As pointed out above there are a great many variables with each solar minimum, short and long term drought can happen in any given area, winter weather can drift down into the deep south.
Growing crops may only be posable during a shorter window (late spring, summer, early fall) and have to make the best of that time to grow all you can and hopefully have enough not just for your self to make threw to the next growing season, but to sell or barter with. Large scale farming should be posable in the warmer south. In the more northern areas where they get a three+ month warm weather window cole crops and some root crops and faster growing squash may be the only thing you can grow and survive on.

Post N0# 100 above, in the video Mr. Singer notes the conundrum that we have far more people today then during any of the past solar minimum's I.E. there is just to many of us.
 
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Publius

TB Fanatic
I would suggest thinking more along the lines of grass based agriculture, and nut trees. Sheep, goats, rabbits, and some cattle where feasible. Pigs eat mast from the nuts. Ducks are cold hardy, as well as many chicken breeds. Many nut trees are cold hardy, wild crab apples grow at least into Zone 4.

A bit easier than worrying about the damn broccoli, but then I do much better with orchards, grass, and animals than gardens. YMMV.



You can do that and may find your self with marketable goods. Sheep produce wool as well as meat and I can see where wool may once again be in demand.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
You can do that and may find your self with marketable goods. Sheep produce wool as well as meat and I can see where wool may once again be in demand.

Some breeds of goats, pigs, and cattle also provide fur/wool that is marketable, as it can be made into clothing, blankets, rugs, and more.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
Some breeds of goats, pigs, and cattle also provide fur/wool that is marketable, as it can be made into clothing, blankets, rugs, and more.



There are people in the U.S. with older heritage livestock the trick is getting ahold of breeding stock for your self a good example is Highlander or highland Cows they seem to do well in harsh climate conditions where most modern breeds of cow would perish and being exposed to cold and snow seems to have no effect on them.
 
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von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Also consider varieties selected for cold or short growing seasons. Probably won't yield as well as a standard main crop, but could compensate by growing more plants.

von Koehler
 

Faroe

Un-spun
Some breeds of goats, pigs, and cattle also provide fur/wool that is marketable, as it can be made into clothing, blankets, rugs, and more.

The Chamagne d'Argent rabbit has done very well for me. I've had the breed for several years now, and butchered many dozens for meat. They have a gorgeous thick silver coat. I used to stretch the hides, but never went further than that, and eventually threw all them away, as they got buggy. Really should learn to tan them, the bunny is large, and yields a good amount of usable fur. They are also mellow, easy-going animals that do well in single family colonies.

The neighbour recently gave me a pair of Flemish Giants that weren't doing well for him. I put them together in a large walk-in pen, and they are now parenting a litter of five. Again, nice fur.

Back when I lived in IA, the local library had this old book on cattle breeds of Europe. Pretty much every local village seemed to have its own distinct breed. Beautiful animals, fascinating book. I'd like to own that one some day. Dont recall the author or title, however.

The ALBC, American Livestock Breeds Conservancy has a large listing of heritage breeds, their specific selling points, and the climates/husbandry practices they do best in. Worth looking at before making any choices.

Back in IA, when I had more acres, I had a flourishing flock of Shetland sheep. Small and easy to handle, very hardy and personable, too. I did find the fleece a challenge to prep and spin - they have an outer hair coat, like fin sheep, and Navaho Chorro. However, the hair can also add strength. Would like to get one of these breeds again.
 
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Be Well

may all be well
Some breeds of goats, pigs, and cattle also provide fur/wool that is marketable, as it can be made into clothing, blankets, rugs, and more.

A neighbor's adult daughter raises angora rabbits and sells their wool or whatever it's called online and as far as I know it's worth the effort. She grows a lot of rabbit food somehow or other.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
A neighbor's adult daughter raises angora rabbits and sells their wool or whatever it's called online and as far as I know it's worth the effort. She grows a lot of rabbit food somehow or other.

It is possible to feed rabbits on mostly grass and what you can collect on your property; that is why rabbits were tried in the UK for meat during WWII (but children often refused to eat them and the project kind of died out); it is a lot of work (we tried it) but you can do it.

Angoras can be used for meat but have so much fur/hair that it is usually not recommended rather they are better as fiber producers; though you can skin them and eat them (I haven't raised any so I'm not sure) but I have heard it is very hard to get all the hair out of the meat.

There are other "dual-use" breeds or it is probably better just to have a few meat rabbits and some fiber rabbits (that you can eat in a pinch).

Sheep are a lot harder (been there, done that) because the smart breeds (we had Jacobs) break out and cause problems; the more modern (and usually more stupid ones) are really creative at finding ways to die (as Dolly's keepers mentioned when trying to keep their prize clone alive and well).
 

Faroe

Un-spun
I have raised angoras, and they are a LOT of maintenance! The English have the softest fleece, but it WILL mat right on the bunny if you look at it wrong. I would go with French next time; the fur is much more manageable. Angoras are also harder to raise in that life on the ground in a walk-in pen will make the fur unmarketable. Personally, I hate raising rabbits in suspended wire cages; it is the industry standard, but I think it is cruel.

Awsome fibre, but it is such a small luxury nitche market, not sure it would have a place in an austere situation. Silkworms and mullberry trees would be a better choice Don't know cold limits of the mullberry tree, but they do fine in IA.
 
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summerthyme

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I absolutely agree that pasture based livestock farming is going to be the best way to provide protein AND vital fat calories if the weather turns funky. Some shelter is vital, mostly to provide protection from dampness (animals with wet haircoats lose body heat much faster than if they remain dry), but even heavy brush and dense trees can be sufficient.

My son is currently outwintering a pair of pigs; a huge sow which is a cross of more modern breeds, and a little boar who is some odd, primitive type (I can't remember the exact breed right now... he has a curled up, pushed in snout, and thrives on grazing... he doesn't root nearly as much as most hogs). DS lives in northern N.Y., where they can get up to 10 feet of snow, although their proximity to one of the Great Lakes means their average lows rarely drop below -10.

He built a small, uninsulated lean-to shelter for them, and they are thriving. He butchered 8 young hogs last fall... managed on rotational grazing plus about 5# of grain each (made into a fermented slop daily) plus garden waste all summer and pumpkins from early autumn until slaughter. They averaged 300# dressed weight, and he got close to 300# of lard off the group.

While these days people have been obsessed with "low fat" diets, fat is vital for health and survival, and animal sources are much more capable of providing significant amounts, without humans needing to burn large amounts of calories in the production process, than most vegetable sources. Nuts, as Faroe mentions above, are an exception to the rule, but can be susceptible to insect damage and much predation from birds and squiirels. But lard and butterfat from a dairy cow or two is nearly priceless.

I've mentioned before how we had an Irish Dexter cow (one of those old, specialized European breeds mentioned above) go feral on us. She roamed our farm alone all winter, utterly unbothered by the packs of very large coyotes (they can reach 90#) common here, or by the 4 feet of snow we had most of the winter. She pawed through the snow and grazed on 3rd crop hay which we hadnt harvested, and when we were finally able to catch her that spring, she was fat as butter.

However, we already live in a very short season area... we commonly only see from 90 to 110 frost free days, although we will occasionally see a couple days in the summer reach the high 90s. And we can grow most common garden crops, including tomatoes and peppers, although we can't easily grow lima beans eggplant, peanuts or sweet potatoes, and melons can be tricky. But I've grown large crops of open pollinated grain corn and popcorn, consistently. And we can grow winter wheat and rye, as well as oats.

Potatoes are an excellent, reliable crop that produces a LOT of nutritious bulk, IF we can kerp blight from killing them.

We also have large numbers of sugar maple trees to tap in spring, and honeybees seem to do well, although because of our much shorter season, we obviously have to leave a lot more honey for their own use. Even so, we got over 11 gallons of honey from 2 hives this year for ourselves, despite one of them swarming once, and then requeening itself in August, which reduced the total honey production.

The major issue about living in colder climates is the necessity for supplemental fuel for warmth (for people), Although modern super insulation materials and techniques can hugely reduce the amounts needed. The same woodlot that produces nuts and maple sugar provides hardwood for building materials and firewood.

Add some sheep for wool for clothing (as well as fleece from butchered lambs for meat- tanned fleeced make incredible bedside rugs, as well as bed pads for staying warm on bitter nughts), and possibly rabbits for furs, and it's not nearly as impossible as peopke think, although most of your time is taken up in basic subsistence tasks. When our kids were small, I raised rabbits for meat, and tanned most of the hides from those we slaughtered. They had rabbit fur slippers, mittens and hats, which they loved. I had some Rex rabbits, whose fur is an incredible plush, "cut velvet" texture, and While they aren't as efficient for meat production as the breeds bred especially for that purpose, they're certainly adequate.

Geese also are incredible low input meat sources... goslings will dress out at 6-8# of meat (with a high fat content) grown on nothing but grass. And goosedown is an invaluable insulation for down comforters, mittens, and outerwear, although modern "downproof" fabrics make it even more practical.

For those who haven't read it, get a copy of Laura Ingalls Wilder's book "Farmer Boy" ... it describes her husband Almanzo's childhood in far northern N.Y. state, in a town called Malone. They got (and still do) many feet of snow, temperatures down to minus 40 degrees on a routine basis. And yet his father had thriving dairy cattle, sheep and horses. The book is really an excellent primer on surviving in a very short season, cold area.

Summerthyme
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
I absolutely agree that pasture based livestock farming is going to be the best way to provide protein AND vital fat calories if the weather turns funky. Some shelter is vital, mostly to provide protection from dampness (animals with wet haircoats lose body heat much faster than if they remain dry), but even heavy brush and dense trees can be sufficient.

My son is currently outwintering a pair of pigs; a huge sow which is a cross of more modern breeds, and a little boar who is some odd, primitive type (I can't remember the exact breed right now... he has a curled up, pushed in snout, and thrives on grazing... he doesn't root nearly as much as most hogs). DS lives in northern N.Y., where they can get up to 10 feet of snow, although their proximity to one of the Great Lakes means their average lows rarely drop below -10.

He built a small, uninsulated lean-to shelter for them, and they are thriving. He butchered 8 young hogs last fall... managed on rotational grazing plus about 5# of grain each (made into a fermented slop daily) plus garden waste all summer and pumpkins from early autumn until slaughter. They averaged 300# dressed weight, and he got close to 300# of lard off the group.

While these days people have been obsessed with "low fat" diets, fat is vital for health and survival, and animal sources are much more capable of providing significant amounts, without humans needing to burn large amounts of calories in the production process, than most vegetable sources. Nuts, as Faroe mentions above, are an exception to the rule, but can be susceptible to insect damage and much predation from birds and squiirels. But lard and butterfat from a dairy cow or two is nearly priceless.

I've mentioned before how we had an Irish Dexter cow (one of those old, specialized European breeds mentioned above) go feral on us. She roamed our farm alone all winter, utterly unbothered by the packs of very large coyotes (they can reach 90#) common here, or by the 4 feet of snow we had most of the winter. She pawed through the snow and grazed on 3rd crop hay which we hadnt harvested, and when we were finally able to catch her that spring, she was fat as butter.

However, we already live in a very short season area... we commonly only see from 90 to 110 frost free days, although we will occasionally see a couple days in the summer reach the high 90s. And we can grow most common garden crops, including tomatoes and peppers, although we can't easily grow lima beans eggplant, peanuts or sweet potatoes, and melons can be tricky. But I've grown large crops of open pollinated grain corn and popcorn, consistently. And we can grow winter wheat and rye, as well as oats.

Potatoes are an excellent, reliable crop that produces a LOT of nutritious bulk, IF we can kerp blight from killing them.

We also have large numbers of sugar maple trees to tap in spring, and honeybees seem to do well, although because of our much shorter season, we obviously have to leave a lot more honey for their own use. Even so, we got over 11 gallons of honey from 2 hives this year for ourselves, despite one of them swarming once, and then requeening itself in August, which reduced the total honey production.

The major issue about living in colder climates is the necessity for supplemental fuel for warmth (for people), Although modern super insulation materials and techniques can hugely reduce the amounts needed. The same woodlot that produces nuts and maple sugar provides hardwood for building materials and firewood.

Add some sheep for wool for clothing (as well as fleece from butchered lambs for meat), and possibly rabbits for furs, and it's not nearly as impossible as peopke think, although most of your time is taken up in basic subsistence tasks. When our kids were small, I raised rabbits for meat, and tanned most of the hides from those we slaughtered. They had rabbit fur slippers, mittens and hats, which they loved. I had some Rex rabbits, whose fur is an incredible plush, "cut velvet" texture, and While they aren't as efficient for meat production as the breeds bred especially for that purpose, they're certainly adequate.

For those who haven't read it, get a copy of Laura Ingalls Wilder's book "Farmer Boy" ... it describes her husband Almanzo's childhood in far northern N.Y. state, in a town called Malone. They got (and still do) many feet of snow, temperatures down to minus 40 degrees on a routine basis. And yet his father had thriving dairy cattle, sheep and horses. The book is really an excellent primer on surviving in a very short season, cold area.

Summerthyme

Farmer Boy is a great book but the Wilders were forced to move west due to repeated crop failures.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
I absolutely agree that pasture based livestock farming is going to be the best way to provide protein AND vital fat calories if the weather turns funky. Some shelter is vital, mostly to provide protection from dampness (animals with wet haircoats lose body heat much faster than if they remain dry), but even heavy brush and dense trees can be sufficient.

My son is currently outwintering a pair of pigs; a huge sow which is a cross of more modern breeds, and a little boar who is some odd, primitive type (I can't remember the exact breed right now... he has a curled up, pushed in snout, and thrives on grazing... he doesn't root nearly as much as most hogs). DS lives in northern N.Y., where they can get up to 10 feet of snow, although their proximity to one of the Great Lakes means their average lows rarely drop below -10.

He built a small, uninsulated lean-to shelter for them, and they are thriving. He butchered 8 young hogs last fall... managed on rotational grazing plus about 5# of grain each (made into a fermented slop daily) plus garden waste all summer and pumpkins from early autumn until slaughter. They averaged 300# dressed weight, and he got close to 300# of lard off the group.

While these days people have been obsessed with "low fat" diets, fat is vital for health and survival, and animal sources are much more capable of providing significant amounts, without humans needing to burn large amounts of calories in the production process, than most vegetable sources. Nuts, as Faroe mentions above, are an exception to the rule, but can be susceptible to insect damage and much predation from birds and squiirels. But lard and butterfat from a dairy cow or two is nearly priceless.

I've mentioned before how we had an Irish Dexter cow (one of those old, specialized European breeds mentioned above) go feral on us. She roamed our farm alone all winter, utterly unbothered by the packs of very large coyotes (they can reach 90#) common here, or by the 4 feet of snow we had most of the winter. She pawed through the snow and grazed on 3rd crop hay which we hadnt harvested, and when we were finally able to catch her that spring, she was fat as butter.

However, we already live in a very short season area... we commonly only see from 90 to 110 frost free days, although we will occasionally see a couple days in the summer reach the high 90s. And we can grow most common garden crops, including tomatoes and peppers, although we can't easily grow lima beans eggplant, peanuts or sweet potatoes, and melons can be tricky. But I've grown large crops of open pollinated grain corn and popcorn, consistently. And we can grow winter wheat and rye, as well as oats.

Potatoes are an excellent, reliable crop that produces a LOT of nutritious bulk, IF we can kerp blight from killing them.

We also have large numbers of sugar maple trees to tap in spring, and honeybees seem to do well, although because of our much shorter season, we obviously have to leave a lot more honey for their own use. Even so, we got over 11 gallons of honey from 2 hives this year for ourselves, despite one of them swarming once, and then requeening itself in August, which reduced the total honey production.

The major issue about living in colder climates is the necessity for supplemental fuel for warmth (for people), Although modern super insulation materials and techniques can hugely reduce the amounts needed. The same woodlot that produces nuts and maple sugar provides hardwood for building materials and firewood.

Add some sheep for wool for clothing (as well as fleece from butchered lambs for meat- tanned fleeced make incredible bedside rugs, as well as bed pads for staying warm on bitter nughts), and possibly rabbits for furs, and it's not nearly as impossible as peopke think, although most of your time is taken up in basic subsistence tasks. When our kids were small, I raised rabbits for meat, and tanned most of the hides from those we slaughtered. They had rabbit fur slippers, mittens and hats, which they loved. I had some Rex rabbits, whose fur is an incredible plush, "cut velvet" texture, and While they aren't as efficient for meat production as the breeds bred especially for that purpose, they're certainly adequate.

Geese also are incredible low input meat sources... goslings will dress out at 6-8# of meat (with a high fat content) grown on nothing but grass. And goosedown is an invaluable insulation for down comforters, mittens, and outerwear, although modern "downproof" fabrics make it even more practical.

For those who haven't read it, get a copy of Laura Ingalls Wilder's book "Farmer Boy" ... it describes her husband Almanzo's childhood in far northern N.Y. state, in a town called Malone. They got (and still do) many feet of snow, temperatures down to minus 40 degrees on a routine basis. And yet his father had thriving dairy cattle, sheep and horses. The book is really an excellent primer on surviving in a very short season, cold area.

Summerthyme






The Highland cows I have known a few people that have these and you don't need to grain them, just pasture and the meat is as good as any beef you can come up with.
It would be a good idea to replant a pasture just for grazing it will go a long ways as long as you do not make the mistake most farmers do to day and thats cut it for hay and never let it go to seed.
Long ago farming they managed to cut hay for their needs but were wise to allow strips to go for the winter and once every three or four years in the fall they cut it low and then disk or harrow it to plant that seed that was building up and by spring you would have some fresh and thick clovers, alfafa and all the good stuff you really want.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Bill has told me his daughter has all kinds of contrivances to produce food for the rabbits, and lets them out on grass to eat as well. I don't know if they are raised in cages off the ground or not; was never mentioned to me and now I don't want to ask! :-( They do sound more of a niche luxurty type thing rather than sustenance product.
 

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
http://www.freshplaza.com/article/188274/World-Vegetable-Map-2018-More-than-just-a-local-affair

World Vegetable Map 2018: More than just a local affair.

The 2018 World Vegetable Map shows essential vegetable trade flows and highlights some key global trends in the sector, such as the growing importance of production in greenhouses and vertical farms, as well as the popularity of organic vegetables.

This is an awesome map showing world wide production and trade in vegetables. You can click on the .pdf and get a large scale version. Unfortunately I don't know how to capture a .pdf image and copy it here.

Mexico, as to be expected, is a major supplier to the USA, but I was surprised to see India shown as secondary source.

von Koehler
 
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summerthyme

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Farmer Boy is a great book but the Wilders were forced to move west due to repeated crop failures.

Um... actually, they were talked into moving south (Louisiana, if memory serves, but it might not) to invest theur considerable wealth- built up over many years in that extremely harsh climate- into a rice plantation, whereupon they promptly lost everything!

Granted, the area of N.Y. state has lost so much population and people willing to farm that they are giving away farm (or somehow subsidizing new farmers to a huge extent... to be honest, attempting to live in THAT difficult of a climate didn't interest me, so I didn't investigate the details) And no small, family farmer is able to build much wealth these days, unless they are producing specialty crops and are close to a wealthy city area.

They may well have been influenced to move to warmer climes by changing weather patterns... the book tells of them saving all but an acre of corn in a late (July? Gonna have to dig the book out and re-read it) freeze by getting up before dawn and pouring water (by hand!) on each frozen plant. But Almanzo's father wasn't a stupid man... he wouldn't have been planting corn if he had lost multiple corn crops in previous years. So at least at the time the book was written, the weather patterns (much as they do today) allowed them to grow corn for grain, and if you can grow corn, you csn grow just about any of the garden crops people in the Northern half of the country do now.

Summerthyme
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
Faroe mentioned grass based production in post 121. IMO, that provides the potential for the most food with the least input of effort. Even now, ranchers do their best to keep livestock on grass as long as possible.
I never miss an opportunity to pick up old glass windows at yard sales. The old ones without any UV protection are best. A small greenhouse would greatly increase options and could be built quickly, IF you have the materials before everyone else makes them a premium item. They don't eat and they don't spoil. :)

Fuel: IMO, migration will move to areas that have coal or natural gas reserves. Each area would have its own problems, but for the btu's you won't beat these two. Millwright posted a chart on another thread that surprised me with the huge difference in btu output.
 

goosebeans

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We've found sheep,pigs,Muscovey ducks and rabbits to be the easiest and most profitable livestock. Oh and chickens, of course. We built a little farm stand last summer and eggs sold out in no time. Had to get more chickens. - this is a dirt road with 5 vehicles at most each day, so that was quite a surprise. We sold produce from the garden and eggs. I'm a greeting card designer, so I ordered some of my cards and put those out there too.

The Pigs, we just buy piglets in the spring and butcher them in late October. Very easy, wham bam and your done! :) I render all the fat and make soap.

Our sheep are Scottish Blackface /Jacob cross. ( we lost the SB ram and only a Jacob ram was available for sale at the time.) I'm really happy with the fleece of the cross offspring. The BF is extremely coarse. Great for weaving rugs but not so good for next to the skin. Shearing's a breeze since I built a head gate. Just lock their head in and I can sit on a bucket and take my time. No stress on the sheep and it's so easy to give shots, worm etc.

Donkeys! We have two. Honestly, I consider them to be an essential prep item. Our land is extremely steep and rugged. Much of it is inaccessible with a tractor or even a four wheeler but I can throw a pack saddle on the donkey, tie on a roll of welded wire,slide hammer and T-posts,a flake of hay to keep him happy while I work and head out to fix or install new fence with no problem. They also carry buckets of small rocks {heartings) for the core of dry stone walls. Hey I'm just a 5 ft, 60 y/o little female, when hubby and son aren't around I need all the help I can get! I'll always have donkeys - they're not just for shithole countries anymore! :)
 

mecoastie

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Um... actually, they were talked into moving south (Louisiana, if memory serves, but it might not) to invest theur considerable wealth- built up over many years in that extremely harsh climate- into a rice plantation, whereupon they promptly lost everything!

Granted, the area of N.Y. state has lost so much population and people willing to farm that they are giving away farm (or somehow subsidizing new farmers to a huge extent... to be honest, attempting to live in THAT difficult of a climate didn't interest me, so I didn't investigate the details) And no small, family farmer is able to build much wealth these days, unless they are producing specialty crops and are close to a wealthy city area.

They may well have been influenced to move to warmer climes by changing weather patterns... the book tells of them saving all but an acre of corn in a late (July? Gonna have to dig the book out and re-read it) freeze by getting up before dawn and pouring water (by hand!) on each frozen plant. But Almanzo's father wasn't a stupid man... he wouldn't have been planting corn if he had lost multiple corn crops in previous years. So at least at the time the book was written, the weather patterns (much as they do today) allowed them to grow corn for grain, and if you can grow corn, you csn grow just about any of the garden crops people in the Northern half of the country do now.

Summerthyme

That disagrees with everything I have read. I have always understood that they moved due to repeated crop failures iirc the crop was hops. They went West in the late 1870s and built a successful farm out there. I think the father was in his 60s. I have several copies of the book as it has some of the best descriptions of farming practices from that period.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
We've found sheep,pigs,Muscovey ducks and rabbits to be the easiest and most profitable livestock. Oh and chickens, of course. We built a little farm stand last summer and eggs sold out in no time. Had to get more chickens. - this is a dirt road with 5 vehicles at most each day, so that was quite a surprise. We sold produce from the garden and eggs. I'm a greeting card designer, so I ordered some of my cards and put those out there too.

The Pigs, we just buy piglets in the spring and butcher them in late October. Very easy, wham bam and your done! :) I render all the fat and make soap.

Our sheep are Scottish Blackface /Jacob cross. ( we lost the SB ram and only a Jacob ram was available for sale at the time.) I'm really happy with the fleece of the cross offspring. The BF is extremely coarse. Great for weaving rugs but not so good for next to the skin. Shearing's a breeze since I built a head gate. Just lock their head in and I can sit on a bucket and take my time. No stress on the sheep and it's so easy to give shots, worm etc.

Donkeys! We have two. Honestly, I consider them to be an essential prep item. Our land is extremely steep and rugged. Much of it is inaccessible with a tractor or even a four wheeler but I can throw a pack saddle on the donkey, tie on a roll of welded wire,slide hammer and T-posts,a flake of hay to keep him happy while I work and head out to fix or install new fence with no problem. They also carry buckets of small rocks {heartings) for the core of dry stone walls. Hey I'm just a 5 ft, 60 y/o little female, when hubby and son aren't around I need all the help I can get! I'll always have donkeys - they're not just for shithole countries anymore! :)

I'm thinking that we might get a donkey -- our new place isn't very big, only a little over two and a half acres, and I plan to have a few dairy goats (I've raised dairy goats for over thirty years), but I don't think three or four goats will be enough to keep the grass eaten down, and have been considering what else to get that eats grass. I do want a pair or trio of geese, and I plan to get Muscovies and chickens. I've been considering sheep, but am not sure about that. I think we'd get more good out of the goats and a donkey probably.

Kathleen
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
If you have room for planting stuff, consider berries. Most of them flower in late spring and into the summer, so they are much less susceptible to late frosts than the fruit trees are.

If you are going to plant nuts and fruit trees, check and see when those trees bloom. Then plant what's recommended for several climate zones north of where you live.

Look at recommendations from the University of Alaska Agricultural Extension -- if they can get it to grow in Fairbanks (and you'd be surprised at what will grow that far north) it should be good farther south when the climate gets colder.

Kathleen
 

Stanb999

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Um... actually, they were talked into moving south (Louisiana, if memory serves, but it might not) to invest theur considerable wealth- built up over many years in that extremely harsh climate- into a rice plantation, whereupon they promptly lost everything!

Granted, the area of N.Y. state has lost so much population and people willing to farm that they are giving away farm (or somehow subsidizing new farmers to a huge extent... to be honest, attempting to live in THAT difficult of a climate didn't interest me, so I didn't investigate the details) And no small, family farmer is able to build much wealth these days, unless they are producing specialty crops and are close to a wealthy city area.

They may well have been influenced to move to warmer climes by changing weather patterns... the book tells of them saving all but an acre of corn in a late (July? Gonna have to dig the book out and re-read it) freeze by getting up before dawn and pouring water (by hand!) on each frozen plant. But Almanzo's father wasn't a stupid man... he wouldn't have been planting corn if he had lost multiple corn crops in previous years. So at least at the time the book was written, the weather patterns (much as they do today) allowed them to grow corn for grain, and if you can grow corn, you csn grow just about any of the garden crops people in the Northern half of the country do now.

Summerthyme

You can make a tidy sum if you do things correctly.
 
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Stanb999

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Simply look into protected culture. I do hydroponic as many know. We produce ten's of thousands in profit on less than 1 acre. It's so much more productive than conventional that you'd have to be crazy to grow outside.

Don't like hydroponic? Here is a guy killing it in the catskills with organic in ground production.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5IE6lYKXRw
 

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
If you have room for planting stuff, consider berries. Most of them flower in late spring and into the summer, so they are much less susceptible to late frosts than the fruit trees are.

If you are going to plant nuts and fruit trees, check and see when those trees bloom. Then plant what's recommended for several climate zones north of where you live.

Look at recommendations from the University of Alaska Agricultural Extension -- if they can get it to grow in Fairbanks (and you'd be surprised at what will grow that far north) it should be good farther south when the climate gets colder.

Kathleen

An excellent suggestion. However many of these specialized cold hardy varieties could be difficult to source, so beat the rush in tracking them down now.

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goosebeans

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I'm thinking that we might get a donkey -- our new place isn't very big, only a little over two and a half acres, and I plan to have a few dairy goats (I've raised dairy goats for over thirty years), but I don't think three or four goats will be enough to keep the grass eaten down, and have been considering what else to get that eats grass. I do want a pair or trio of geese, and I plan to get Muscovies and chickens. I've been considering sheep, but am not sure about that. I think we'd get more good out of the goats and a donkey probably.

Kathleen

Kathleen, I'm so glad you found a place. I'm sure you must be excited to move and make it your own!

You probably won't know for sure what will work best for you until you've lived there a little while. Here six or seven sheep and the horse keep about six acres cropped very short. Dh sold his lawn tractor because he no longer had to mow. The tires were rotting from sitting. He just goes around the outside of the fence, along the road with the weed eater now and then.

Unfortunately, I have to keep the donkeys in a paddock with very little grass as the Jenny has a tendency to founder on anything more lush. It means feeding hay all year round. A trade off for their usefulness. The farrier said it probably first happened during pregnancy - her colt was three months old when I bought them -and now she's more prone to it. Oh, don't listen to anyone who tells you that donkeys only need their hooves trimmed once or twice a year! They need regular hoof care, just like horses. Ours are on a six week schedule with the horse and pony.

I also used to raise Nubian dairy goats. We just have one old doe left. We cut way back on livestock when Dh's job relocated out of state. He decided to use his military education benifits and go back to college. Hoping to get back into goats once he's done and we have more income. Hay to see us through the winter and the farrier are our two biggest expenses. Thankfully, we get very good deals on both so that's why I've been able to keep my equines.

I hope you keep us updated on your move and what you decide to do with your new farm!! :eleph:
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
I'm doing a quick search and have a couple of websites for plants for Alaska. The first one is near Anchorage, which is actually a pretty mild climate for Alaska, but anything that will grow there should do well in the northern parts of the Lower 48. And if we actually do have a mini-ice-age, stuff that will grow there would likely be good choices even across the middle of the country (since we are moving to Kentucky, I'm looking for things that will grow there). The second website is from the Ag. Extension with tips on growing in cold climates and recommended varieties. You would have to do a web search to find sources for the varieties.

Kathleen

http://mile52.com/anchorage-fruit-trees-berry-bushes/

https://www.uaf.edu/files/ces/publications-db/catalog/anr/HGA-00038.pdf
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
Kathleen, I'm so glad you found a place. I'm sure you must be excited to move and make it your own!

You probably won't know for sure what will work best for you until you've lived there a little while. Here six or seven sheep and the horse keep about six acres cropped very short. Dh sold his lawn tractor because he no longer had to mow. The tires were rotting from sitting. He just goes around the outside of the fence, along the road with the weed eater now and then.

Unfortunately, I have to keep the donkeys in a paddock with very little grass as the Jenny has a tendency to founder on anything more lush. It means feeding hay all year round. A trade off for their usefulness. The farrier said it probably first happened during pregnancy - her colt was three months old when I bought them -and now she's more prone to it. Oh, don't listen to anyone who tells you that donkeys only need their hooves trimmed once or twice a year! They need regular hoof care, just like horses. Ours are on a six week schedule with the horse and pony.

I also used to raise Nubian dairy goats. We just have one old doe left. We cut way back on livestock when Dh's job relocated out of state. He decided to use his military education benifits and go back to college. Hoping to get back into goats once he's done and we have more income. Hay to see us through the winter and the farrier are our two biggest expenses. Thankfully, we get very good deals on both so that's why I've been able to keep my equines.

I hope you keep us updated on your move and what you decide to do with your new farm!! :eleph:

Goosebeans, where are you?

There sure was a lot of grass on the place I bought when I was there the first week of October, but of course it hasn't had any animals on it for at least a year, maybe two or three years. My initial concern was getting something on there to keep things eaten down, partly so we don't have to buy a big mower, and partly to reduce the chance of encountering copperheads. Here in eastern Oregon, I had three or four goats on about 3/4 acre of pasture, sometimes giving them access to the rest of the place (an acre and a half total), and was feeding hay most of the year. We did have a pony, too, for a while. Between the goats and the pony, there wasn't any need to worry about mowing anything!
 

TxGal

Day by day
A number of sources seem to be agreeing that for the current solar cycle, the year 2024 will be the worst.

Currently the upcoming Grand Solar Minimum is projected to be as severe as the past Maunder Minimum, but might not last as long.

All predictions are subject to change as new solar data emerges.

von Koehler

Six years until the projected worst - more than enough time to start a raised bed gardening system, and put in some dwarf fruit trees that start bearing in just a few years (we've gotten ours from Stark Bros for decades) and berries. Even those with a tiny yard can do something. We're changing out our raised beds from wood to metal, and putting hardware cloth on the bottom to help keep mice out of root crops. Stocking up on mouse traps would be good. This winter's colder temps have increased the mice in our garden/chicken area. Fortunately the chickens love mice, alive or just trapped.

We have Irish Dexter cattle, and we're bringing down our numbers while keeping most of the smaller adults. For those considering goats/sheep for meat, milk, and/or fiber, suggest actually trying the meat/milk if you haven't yet. DH can't tolerate lamb, while I love it. I've heard that from a number of goat owners....love the animals, hate the meat. Now is the time to find what you really like, and choose that if you're planning on livestock. Nigerian Dwarf goats are a great size and produce meat and milk. Fencing is a huge hurdle with smaller livestock though, and predators will visit frequently in colder weather. Rabbits are good, too, as are chickens, ducks, and quail. Also, plan now for hay. It will take a LOT of hay to get through colder winters. We went through quite a few round bales and bought supplemental squares to tide us over during the worst of the cold...and so did everyone else....it was selling out quickly. Pallets and tarps will work nicely for squares if there is no barn space.

If you have a wood stove or fireplace (not the best, I know), now is the time to plan for firewood. I've seen neighbors doing that lately, and we should be just about out of winter down here, so I think people are taking this seriously. We're working on our deadfall now, marking trees for thinning as future firewood, and starting to plant young trees/seedlings for the future....we're just fortunate we have some wooded areas on our place.

Warmer clothing, extra blankets and comforters, a deep pantry, the list just goes on and on....six years, if we get that much time, is a blessing not to be wasted.
 

Martinhouse

Deceased
As well as the warmer clothing and more blankets, I've gotten enough socks, underwear and washcloths to last me for months, as I do not care to hand wash a lot of clothing if I have to spend the colder winters grid down. And where I live in rural Arkansas,grid down will be almost a certainty. I don't mind wearing outer clothes a long time if underclothing is clean. I've knitted myself several pairs of long john bottoms and have fleece to make a few super warm outfits that will look sort of like pajamas or work suits but will be for daywear. I get cold very easily so this fleece clothing will be double layered.

I've put together complete sets of knitting needles and crochet hooks and lots of instructions and patterns, and I've accumulated enough yarn to start a small knit shop. Since I can't handle a large garden any more, knitting simple warm clothing items could be the best way I have to barter or just make friends.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
On the topic of firewood, our new place has several large black locust trees in the yard. Some of them are going to need to come out in order to make a garden (too much shade, and one tree is already mostly dead); I may leave a couple that are on the west side of the house for afternoon shade, at least until I get something else planted there. But black locusts are one of the trees that will coppice or pollard. That means that when you cut them, they will send up sprouts from the stump. Whether you call it coppiced or pollarded depends on how high you cut the stump; coppiced trees are cut just a few inches above the ground, while pollarded trees may look like what some cities do to trees that have grown too tall under the power lines -- tall stubs with sprouts growing from them. Coppicing and pollarding were done a lot in England and Europe because the sprouts that came up were quite useful for tool handles, fencing, and firewood, among many other uses, and didn't require tedious splitting before use. I plan to let my cut black locusts coppice, for all of these uses. There are other trees that can be planted for this purpose, and some coppiced trees can be used for livestock feed. (Pollarding was done to get the sprouts up too high for the cattle to browse on them.) Coppiced nut trees will usually still produce a crop of nuts. The usual management technique was to cut sections in rotation, so there was always some new growth and always some mature growth. The lists below are not all-inclusive, but these are the types of trees that have been used the most.

Some Trees you can Coppice:

Willow
Linden/basswood (called lime in England)
Oak
Hazel
Ash
Chestnut
Black locust
Alder
Hornbeam
Beech
Poplar/cottonwood (not a desirable firewood, nor is it very useful for any outdoor furniture or fencing)
Pretty much any deciduous tree that doesn't bleed too much when cut (such as maples)


Some Trees you can Pollard:

Beech Fagus spp.
Black locust Robinia pseudoacacia
Catalpa Catalpa spp.
Hornbeam Carpinus spp.
Horsechestnut Aesculus hippocastanum
Linden Tilia spp.
London planetree Platanus xacerifolia
Mulberry Morus spp.
Redbud Cercis canadensis
Tree of Heaven Ailanthus altissima
Willow Salix spp.

Here is one of many articles online on this topic: https://northernwoodlands.org/articles/article/coppicing-firewood

Kathleen
 
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