Prep Genrl Stock up on salt

FireDance

TB Fanatic
How do ya'll preserve your salt to keep it from becoming one huge hard chunk?
I just give it “the look” and it gets back in line.

Seriously? I’m not sure I have ever had salt cake. Maybe if it got wet somehow. Then, generally knocking it on something works to break it up. You’d think with all the humidity I would have noticed this problem at some time. Maybe I don’t buy enough salt? Watching.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I just give it “the look” and it gets back in line.

Seriously? I’m not sure I have ever had salt cake. Maybe if it got wet somehow. Then, generally knocking it on something works to break it up. You’d think with all the humidity I would have noticed this problem at some time. Maybe I don’t buy enough salt? Watching.

I have several of the round boxes of salt from the grocery store. They are hard as a rock, though. I don't know how to keep them from doing that, or I would stock more. We do have high humidity here, but they are kept in the pantry.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.


Precautionary state of emergency declared due to concerns about salt cavern in West Calcasieu​

By KPLC Digital Team

Published: Sep. 20, 2023 at 7:02 PM CDT|Updated: 19 hours ago

CALCASIEU PARISH, La. (KPLC) - The State of Louisiana has declared an emergency “in response to concerns about the future stability of a salt cavern on the western side of the Sulphur Mines Salt Dome in Calcasieu Parish.”

While there are no imminent signs of collapse or major surface impact, the emergency has been declared “to expedite efforts to bring in experts and resources to understand both what is happening deep underground now and what it might mean for future stability of caverns in the area,” according to a news release from Gov. John Bel Edwards’ office.

“Our Office of Conservation scientists and inspectors are telling us they are seeing significant early warning signs of a potential subsurface problem on the Sulphur Mines Salt Dome. I want them to have access to every tool available to best understand what is going on in and around these caverns and map out the best response to ensure protection of our people and the environment,” Gov. Edwards said in a statement.

“The Office of Conservation’s (OOC) primary concern is focused on the brine cavern known as PPG-7, a cavern on the west side of the salt dome, operated by Westlake US 2 LLC. The core issue is that the PPG-7 cavern is unable to maintain a stable pressure without constant pumping of salt water into it and OOC staff have documented a number of sites over the central and western areas of the salt dome where natural gas is bubbling up to the surface in water bodies and near wellheads. In addition, at least one oil seep has been detected and initial subsidence monitoring of the area has revealed a potential accelerating trend of downward movement. The nearby PPG-6 cavern, also operated by Westlake, is also being closely monitored due to its proximity to PPG-7.”

Westlake Corporation also issued a statement to KPLC, saying the company has been addressing the issue with the state since January.

Read the state’s full statement below:
Today, the offices of Gov. John Bel Edwards and Louisiana Commissioner of Conservation Monique M. Edwards announced they have made emergency declarations in response to concerns about the future stability of a salt cavern on the western side of the Sulphur Mines Salt Dome in Calcasieu Parish.

While no imminent signs of collapse or major surface impact have manifested, Gov. Edwards and Commissioner Edwards (no familial relation) are exercising emergency powers to expedite efforts to bring in experts and resources to understand both what is happening deep underground now and what it might mean for future stability of caverns in the area.

“Our Office of Conservation scientists and inspectors are telling us they are seeing significant early warning signs of a potential subsurface problem on the Sulphur Mines Salt Dome. I want them to have access to every tool available to best understand what is going on in and around these caverns and map out the best response to ensure protection of our people and the environment,” Gov. Edwards said.

Gov. Edwards has issued
Executive Order 160, authorizing the director of the Governor’s Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness (GOHSEP) to take any actions that are appropriate and authorized by law in response to the emergency declaration, and directing all state agencies to cooperate as needed.

The Office of Conservation’s (OOC) primary concern is focused on the brine cavern known as PPG-7, a cavern on the west side of the salt dome, operated by Westlake US 2 LLC. The core issue is that the PPG-7 cavern is unable to maintain a stable pressure without constant pumping of salt water into it and OOC staff have documented a number of sites over the central and western areas of the salt dome where natural gas is bubbling up to the surface in water bodies and near wellheads. In addition, at least one oil seep has been detected and initial subsidence monitoring of the area has revealed a potential accelerating trend of downward movement. The nearby PPG-6 cavern, also operated by Westlake, is also being closely monitored due to its proximity to PPG-7.

“Nothing we are seeing out there indicates we are past the point of no return on the structural integrity of these caverns yet. I am hopeful our established requirements for monitoring and reporting by cavern operators are giving us time to apply the best science available to understand what is developing underground and mitigate future impacts,” Commissioner Edwards said.

Commissioner Edwards said that while many of the issues her staff has investigated could be considered notable but routine problems individually for salt caverns as old as these, the confluence of gas seepage and pressure issues in the PPG-7 cavern were compounded by the recently detected apparent acceleration in subsidence, spurring the decision to declare an emergency.

Commissioner Edwards’
emergency declaration primarily references the threat of subsidence as the reason, noting that the gas bubbling and cavern mechanical integrity concerns are indicators of a potential threat to groundwater in the area, and declares that her office will exercise emergency authority in response to that threat, including the hiring of contractors and various experts to assist in the response.

“We know this situation will bring back memories of Bayou Corne in 2012, but we have some advantages the state did not have then,” Commissioner Edwards said. “We have learned lessons from that and our regulations have evolved, giving us better tools for detecting potential issues earlier and understanding the expertise we need to draw upon. In this case, we have seen some markers that are similar to what was seen then, but nowhere near as severe. We also still have direct access to the caverns we are concerned with.”

OOC’s Injection and Mining Division (IMD) is currently overseeing the response, coordinating as necessary with the GOHSEP, Louisiana Oil Spill Coordinators Office (LOSCO), state Department of Environmental Quality (LDEQ), state Department of Health (LDH) and the U.S. EPA Region 6 office.

The two caverns of concern, PPG-6 and PPG-7, were originally drilled as brine mining wells to supply salt water for petrochemical processes in the mid-1950s, decades prior to the establishment of the state’s Underground Injection Control (UIC) program under the OOC.

In 1979, the U.S. Department of Energy took over the caverns for Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) oil storage, using the caverns as part of the SPR until the mid-1990s when they were transferred back to a private company, PPG Industries. PPG was the forerunner of the company now known as Westlake Chemical. Brine mining was reported as having ended for both PPG-6 and PPG-7 by 2014, after which both caverns have remained in inactive status.

Ongoing monitoring required by OOC regulations detected a pressure anomaly in December 2021 in caverns on Sulphur Mines Salt Dome and follow-up work indicated a focus on PPG-6 and PPG-7, particularly PPG-7, was warranted. Continuing investigation over the course of 2022 turned up issues with PPG-7′s ability to hold pressure and the cavern failed a Mechanical Integrity Test (MIT) in 2022 after having passed a similar MIT in 2021.

As observations of PPG-7′s inability to hold pressure on its own continued, Westlake began pumping brine into the cavern to maintain a minimum pressure. Through late 2022 and 2023, operators and OOC staff observed natural gas bubbling spots and an oil seepage over and around the dome, which in combination with what was seen in subsidence monitoring, led to OOC Gov. Edwards’ emergency declarations.

“At this point, we are monitoring internal pressure of these caverns and other caverns across the salt dome, seismic activity in the area, subsidence above the salt dome and the extent of natural gas bubbling and potential impacts to nearby groundwater,” Commissioner Edwards said. “Next steps include bringing in additional expertise to better understand the potential for structural failure, the impacts of that and what we can do to mitigate or minimize threats to people and the environment.”


Westlake Corporation provided the following statement:
Westlake Corporation’s Lake Charles operations have been actively investigating, managing, and responding to the condition of one of the company’s salt caverns located in the Sulphur, Louisiana area.

Since January 2023, Westlake has been working diligently with the Louisiana Department of Natural Resources (DNR) to address the situation. Westlake immediately started engaging third party experts (e.g., seismologists, geophysicists, geo-mechanical engineers) to assist Westlake in understanding the situation and to provide us advice on how to best address it, including brine injection into the well, which has stabilized cavern pressure. We also have continued to work with the DNR on any developments, additional observations, and to mobilize additional resources and services to anticipate and respond to any circumstances that may arise.

The Office of Conservation issued an emergency declaration on September 20, 2023. Westlake is committed to working cooperatively with all government authorities and offices as well as neighboring well owner/operators to address the concerns raised in the declaration. We intend to keep all parties informed and we are well positioned to respond in the event an incident should occur.

Copyright 2023 KPLC. All rights reserved.
 

philkar

Veteran Member
I have several of the round boxes of salt from the grocery store. They are hard as a rock, though. I don't know how to keep them from doing that, or I would stock more. We do have high humidity here, but they are kept in the pantry.

I have found the round boxes of salt will get hard if not put in airtight container. I keep it all in 5 gallon buckets or vac sealed
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have several salt "bricks" myself. I think drying them on really low heat in the oven would help, then repackage in glass with silica packets might do it.

Haven't tried this yet, but thinking it should work.

I'm going to cut the box away from the salt and grind it back up. Then, put it in bags or jar with silica packets. Then, stock up on a lot more and preserve it the same way. We can't do without our salt for canning and seasoning.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Haha...after the last canning jar shelf collapse (those little 90 degree plastic shelf hanger pegs don't cut it!) I'm using 4 lb. boxes of canning salt to hold up the multiple shelves in my preserves/jelly cupboard. Figure I'm covered on salt for quite a while. Four shelves, so must be 16 boxes? It's cheap and sturdy.

It's so dry here in the winter, I never have trouble with salt or sugar making a brick. Besides, they are easy enough to break up with a hammer.
 
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FireDance

TB Fanatic
I have several of the round boxes of salt from the grocery store. They are hard as a rock, though. I don't know how to keep them from doing that, or I would stock more. We do have high humidity here, but they are kept in the pantry.
Huh. That’s what I generally do. I try to keep two boxes. We generally have about the same level of humidity so I’m a little puzzled as to why that may be. Only thing is, my pantry is vented so is sucked by the a/c. Hmmm. I like the plastic and silica idea.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
Haha...after the last canning jar shelf collapse (those little 90 degree plastic shelf hanger pegs don't cut it!) I'm using 4 lb. boxes of canning salt to hold up the multiple shelves in my preserves/jelly cupboard. Figure I'm covered on salt for quite a while. Four shelves, so must be 16 boxes? It's cheap and sturdy.

It's so dry here in the winter, I never have trouble with salt or sugar making a brick. Besides, they are easy enough to break up with a hammer.
we 've got about 60lbs of it in 4 lb boxes - vack packed in bags with silica. if they're hard a hammer and a colander will fix that PDQ
 

Wildwood

Veteran Member
How do ya'll preserve your salt to keep it from becoming one huge hard chunk?
I keep it in half gallon canning jars and it stays just fine. You will have to change lids and bands ever so often...maybe once a year because the salt will eventually cause the lids to rust unless you use the plastic lids and seals which I cannot remember the name of at the moment lol...sleep deprivation...Tattler!!! I just remembered it!

To be honest, I've had it stay loose for months and years in a plastic canister that was not airtight and I'm in a somewhat humid climate. I think it's just those cardboard boxes that actually attract moisture.
 

hd5574

Veteran Member
I have a couple of the real salt 10 lb buckets they do sell it that way on Amazon.
Other various salts we like in a 3 gallon bucket with a gamma seal...I have a bunch of the one pound round rock like ones for barter of if all else fails...
My square canning salt in paper is hard but I break some up and put it in a jar to use...with the new ball black lids
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Lake Peigneur​


Drilling disaster[edit]​

On Thursday, November 20, 1980, the drill assembly of a Texaco-contracted oil rig pierced an inactive third level of the nearby Diamond Crystal Salt Company salt mine. The hole produced a vortex that drained the lake into the mine, filling the enormous caverns that had been left by the removal of salt. The mine, in operation since 1919, was made up of several levels up to 1,500 feet (460 m) below the surface. Each tunnel was about 100 by 80 feet (30 m × 24 m). Pillars of salt had been left in place to support the ceiling at each level. The pillars were dissolved by the encroaching fresh water and caused the mine tunnels to collapse.[2]

The backwards flow of the normally outflowing Delcambre Canal temporarily created the biggest waterfall in Louisiana
The resultant sinkhole swallowed the drilling platform, eleven barges holding supplies for the drilling operation, a tugboat, many trees, and 65 acres (26 hectares) of the surrounding terrain. So much water drained into the caverns that the flow of the Delcambre Canal that usually empties the lake into Vermilion Bay was reversed, causing salt water from the Gulf of Mexico to flow into what was now a dry lakebed. This backflow created for a few days the tallest waterfall ever in the state of Louisiana, at 164 ft (50 m), as the lake refilled with salty water from the Delcambre Canal and Vermilion Bay.[3] Air displaced by water flowing into the mine caverns erupted through the mineshafts as compressed air and then later as 400-foot (120 m) geysers.[3]
 

ssonb

Senior Member
Just a thought here, if someone stocked a few hundred pounds of salt and the power goes out for an extended amount of time could you not offer the service of salting meats for long term storage since there will be almost no refrigeration?
That used to be a big business in the colonial times in the 1700's.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
Just a thought here, if someone stocked a few hundred pounds of salt and the power goes out for an extended amount of time could you not offer the service of salting meats for long term storage since there will be almost no refrigeration?
That used to be a big business in the colonial times in the 1700's.

you can salt it down or salt brine it in a barrel - I'd only do that with the roughest & poor cuts of meats - be ready to slice cut the good stuff and smoke it to a good cure - or - cube/grind it for jar canning .....

don't think about selling the salt or salting down other's meat >>> buy $$$ or make a deal of some kind to get personally ahold of good cuts of meat - freezer run generator preserve the meat until your processing system can handle it
 
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WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Just a thought here, if someone stocked a few hundred pounds of salt and the power goes out for an extended amount of time could you not offer the service of salting meats for long term storage since there will be almost no refrigeration?
That used to be a big business in the colonial times in the 1700's.
It takes a lot of salt, and always safer to use too much than too little when trying to preserve valuable meat. A couple hundred pounds wouldn't last long if you were doing it commercially, but it might be enough for 3-4 years (salting seasons), if you were salting for say, a family of four. My (very German) Grandpa used to make salt pork and corned beef in both a 20 gallon crock and the 10 gallon that I have sitting in my kitchen. He was also a cook in the early 1900's logging camps up here, so pretty much knew what he was doing.
 
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