LEGAL Supremes to Decide if Electoral College Voters Must Vote for Winner of State Popular Vote

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Supremes to Decide if Electoral College Voters Must Vote for Winner of State Popular Vote

Bronson Stocking
Posted: Jan 17, 2020 6:05 PM

On Friday, the Supreme Court agreed to hear a case that would decide whether electoral college electors must vote for the winner of their state's popular vote. Half the states currently have laws requiring electors to vote for the candidate who wins the popular vote in their state.

Electors who do not vote in accordance to the winner of their state's popular vote are known as "faithless electors." According to NBC News, the so-called problem of faithless electors has never really been an actual problem before. In fact, most states simply throw out the ballot of an elector who doesn't follow the state's popular vote.

But in 2016, the Democrats ran such a rotten candidate that several electors in states carried by Hillary Clinton cast their ballots for someone else. One elector in Colorado voted for John Kasich, one in Hawaii voted for Bernie Sanders, and four in Washington state voted for two different people -- three for Colin Powell and one for Faith Spotted Eagle, the name of a Native American activist, not Elizabeth Warren. Other Democratic electors contemplated voting differently but were reportedly pressured into voting for Clinton. Colorado simply replaced its errant elector with one that would vote for Hillary, while Washington state fined their independent-thinking electors for violating state law.

The Washington state Supreme Court ruled against the electors who challenged the fines imposed upon them. In his dissenting opinion, Justice Steven Gonzalez took issue with the court's decision, arguing "[t]he Constitution provides the state only with the power to appoint, leaving the electors with the discretion to vote their conscience."

While states can choose their own electors and require them to pledge certain loyalties, once the electors form the electoral college they are no longer serving a state function but a federal one.

The 10th Circuit Court of Appeals agreed with Justice Gonzalez's dissent, ruling that electors can vote for any legitimate candidate they choose.

"The states' power to appoint electors does not include the power to remove them or nullify their votes," the 10th Circuit declared.

Just like Arizonans voted to send Jeff Flake to the Senate, but, once there, the voters could not nullify Flake's votes or fine the senator for voting his conscience, as much as the voters may have wanted to.

In 1952, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that state laws requiring electors to abide by the popular vote of the state did not violate the Constitution, but the high court never ruled whether the states can enforce those pledges after the fact.

The lawyer for the Washington State electors, Harvard Professor Lawrence Lessig is hoping the case will focus attention on what he characterizes as shortcomings in the Electoral College when it comes to reflecting the outcome of the popular vote.

“It could also convince both sides that it is finally time to step up and modify the Constitution to address this underlying problem,” Professor Lessig said. The professor suggested such fixes as the National Popular Vote plan or even a constitutional amendment.

Because a Democrat lost the last presidential election, surely something must be wrong with the Constitution that allowed it to happen.

The case goes before the court this spring and a decision is expected by the end of June.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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This one is big. Huge. If the court finds that electors must vote for the winner of the popular vote IN THEIR STATE, it short circuits the attempt among states to pledge their electors to the winner of the NATIONAL popular vote. If the court finds otherwise, this country is dead.
 

et2

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The breakup of this current country is inevitable.

Yes ... Piece by piece, day by day. Millenials and generation X are being brainwashed by the fake news and education system. There will be a time in the near future these people will run this country and gladly tear it up and everything that made it great.

One only has to look at the squad roaming the halls of our government. We have people that weren't born here and came from foreign countries that hate us, now using "our system of governance" to destroy us. They've been trained and inserted to accomplish the destruction of our country from within. Not all wars need to be fought with troops, missiles, and wars. We are seeing this take place.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
I don't see how SCOTUS can find any differently than how the Electoral College was originally created - The People's vote is supreme over some individual's whimsy thinking ...
 

FaithfulSkeptic

Carrying the mantle of doubt
... that hate us, now using "our system of governance" to destroy us.
That's because "our system of governance" doesn't have enough safeguards in place to identify and prevent slow decay. Because of this, our nation will dwindle into a farcical shadow of what it once was, all will be forgotten, and some other nation will take the reigns. The world will inevitably be ruled by an iron fist. It may take 100, 200, 500 years, but eventually that's what's going to happen.

And some wonder why ET life hasn't contacted us yet :rolleyes:
 

Milkweed Host

Veteran Member
Maybe not the break-up but for sure the destruction(and maybe that is what you meant).
If the people in the flyover states feel that they have been completely disenfranchised, they might just as well start over. The destruction could come at any time. Just my .02 cents worth, of course. I do see change on the horizon, no way around it anymore. The gap between insane and normal is too wide to bridge.
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
The voters in the west and east coast areas and NE could determine all presidential elections if election was by popular vote, but the Founding Fathers were wise and made the election of the president by electoral college....

For making such decision over two hundred years ago, the Founding Fathers were brilliant....

Texican....
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
The voters in the west and east coast areas and NE could determine all presidential elections if election was by popular vote, but the Founding Fathers were wise and made the election of the president by electoral college....

For making such decision over two hundred years ago, the Founding Fathers were brilliant....

Texican....

They also kept voting rights away from people on welfare, women, and nonwhites. (If we'd had those policies the past 90 years, we'd have avoided a LOT of problems.)
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
With ANY luck at all, this'll put paid to the compact that has NOT QUITE gotten together eliminating the EFFECTIVENESS of the Electoral College.
 

FaithfulSkeptic

Carrying the mantle of doubt
Well, actually they *have.* But it was Betty Hill. If you'd have seen what became of her by "77 you'd know why they swore off us long ago. Even the Grays recognize mental illness when they see it.

RR
Not so much mental illness as it is a volatile combination of intelligence and instinctive violence. They may not be interacting, but I have no doubt that if we ever have the means to leave this solar system, we'll be stopped.
 

rlm1966

Veteran Member
This one is big. Huge. If the court finds that electors must vote for the winner of the popular vote IN THEIR STATE, it short circuits the attempt among states to pledge their electors to the winner of the NATIONAL popular vote. If the court finds otherwise, this country is dead.

If the court finds otherwise it will change everything. No longer would a candidate like, shall we say Bloomberg, have to run all of those ads or even actually campaign in the traditional sense. They could sit back and wait until the electors are selected and then spend all of their time, effort and money of a very focused and small group of people to get their votes. Truly your vote would not matter.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
If the court finds otherwise it will change everything. No longer would a candidate like, shall we say Bloomberg, have to run all of those ads or even actually campaign in the traditional sense. They could sit back and wait until the electors are selected and then spend all of their time, effort and money of a very focused and small group of people to get their votes. Truly your vote would not matter.

just another "DNC - can't eliminate it - change it to OUR benefit"
 

raven

TB Fanatic
So it was never a problem before. And it wasn't actually a problem in 2016 because Hillary lost.
But some of Hillary's electors were faithless because Hillary was such a rotten candidate.
Are ya'll even paying attention? Let me repeat that . . .
Hillary was such a rotten candidate.

You are supposed to believe that someone voted for "Faith Spotted Eagle" because they thought Hillary was rotten?
Someone in Washington State thought Hillary was rotten?
Do you feel sexually satisfied after that bit of masturbation? Not quite a blow job. Just a handy.

Oh bullshit!
They wanted another reason to challenge the election and change from Electoral College to popular vote.
If the court does not recognize this,
then it is the destruction of the nation
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
Just go with whats been done from the beginning of our country and thats they are not allowed to cherry pick the electoral college to vote they way parts of the ensconced political system wants, but votes with the popular vote with that state giving the small populous state's an equal voice-vote in a national election. Otherwise states with a larger population control who gets to sit in the white house. Rather clever of our founders to come up with this concept and it works or we would have Hillary in the white house and we could kill country-republic goodbye.
 
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