…… Synthetic Blend Motor Oil

DennisD

Veteran Member
Need a little automotive advice here: concerning synthetic blend motor oil.

2010 Subaru Forester needs an oil change, so I went to purchase a jug of Castrol GTX (my usual preferred brand) when I noticed that the only option on the shelf (other than the High Mileage version) said Synthetic Blend. I don't recall seeing that before. Is it OK to run that in the engine where I have always run regular oil before? This must be a new trend. It used to be that if you wanted to change to fully synthetic oil you had to go through a process of multiple oil/filter changes. Somebody please enlighten me. Hopefully this is just a newer product that will just work fine.
 

NoMoreLibs

Kill Commie's, Every Single One Of Them!
Absolutely. Save a few bucks, use the SuperTech from Walmart. Good stuff and it's full syn. Been running it forever, vehicles are clean and love it.
 

Knight_Loring

Veteran Member
Supertech is fine to use. You should consider never using Castrol again and stick with Haveline, Mobil and Valvoline for normal oil. Most all synthetic should be good quality oils. I researched it years ago, so Castrol could have improved since then.
 

Fake Shemp

Banned for resurrecting the mayonnaise thread
What NML said plus you can go more miles between oil changes. Costs a little more up front but you'll change it less frequently.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
IMHO yeah it's good I use it. I think it's due to the synthetic portion that oil changes have gone up to 5,000+ before you need an oil change.

However I don't do that. It's religious 3000 miles.
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Anything labeled "synthetic blend" is not pure synthetic, but is a mixture of syn and dino oil. DennisD wrote: "It used to be that if you wanted to change to fully synthetic oil you had to go through a process of multiple oil/filter changes." This is not true. If you want to change from dino (and yes, I know it's not really dinosaur oil) to synthetic, it's no more complicated than changing at your next oil change. No need for multiple oil changes, etc.

The only problem you might have - and I stress might - is that synthetic can have more of a tendency to leak through seals and gaskets on older engines. Even this is not much of a problem, except on standard transmission vehicles where the oil might leak slightly through the rear main engine seal and get on the clutch, causing shuddering when first driven. This usually burns off after a few miles and resumes normal function.

I think synthetic oil is great stuff and results in greater engine longevity. It's definitely worth the added expense.

Best
Doc
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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I had a 1991 2.0L Eagle Talon TSI turbo that I first used Mobil One synthetic oil in. I drove that car for 16 years. I only drove a few miles per day to work and that can be very tough on the oil and the engine. I changed it myself only once a year.

In cold climates, synthetic oil really shines when the temps dip below 0 degrees Fahrenheit. The engine will turn over much better than with regular oil.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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First, go full synthetic. Tests prove it doesn’t lose its viscosity over time. Second, there is no need to do “multiple oil changes” to switch over. Whoever told you that is an idiot. Third, you can increase your oil change interval from every 3000 miles to every 6000 miles, cutting your costs to the approximate equivalent of dino oil. Just make sure you buy a “high capacity” oil filter.

I use Mobil 1 and their associates high-cap filter. The price to me is about $50 for the oil and filter at each change. But again, I change at 6000 miles.
 

Raffy

Veteran Member
I've been using Amsoil full synthetic in many of my vehicles for about 3 decades now. I've never regretted it; all engines I've run on synthetic have done very well with it. I highly recommend it and, as has been mentioned, you can safely change your oil every 6000 miles or even up to 10,000 miles. I am conservative and change it every 5000 miles, when the vehicle mileage reaches the next multiple of 5000. That makes it easy for me to remember when to change the oil.

If you've been using "dino" oil, simply switch over to synthetic - no prep required. Be sure to use a high quality oil filter. I favor the Wix brand but there are others.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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I used Royal Purple for a long time and still use it in small engines.

In should still use it, but I'd need to use an oil analysis program to justify the extra expense.

Two and a half gallons every 4-6 weeks is a lot of oil.
 

Repairman-Jack

Veteran Member
I've been running Mobile 1 Full synthetic in my past 2 vehicles, no issues and would never use anything other than a full synthetic oil. This past year I switched out the front/rear diffs on my truck with Amsoil Synthetic and this spring I'll be switching out the transfer case oil with amsoil.

While it's not "scientific" and if you have some time to kill, Project Farm over on youtube has done all kinds of oil comparisons

 
First, go full synthetic. Tests prove it doesn’t lose its viscosity over time. Second, there is no need to do “multiple oil changes” to switch over. Whoever told you that is an idiot. Third, you can increase your oil change interval from every 3000 miles to every 6000 miles, cutting your costs to the approximate equivalent of dino oil. Just make sure you buy a “high capacity” oil filter.

I use Mobil 1 and their associates high-cap filter. The price to me is about $50 for the oil and filter at each change. But again, I change at 6000 miles.
Concur - use Mobil1 here, also - been using it for over a couple of decades, IIRC. 6000K between changes. However, if you have a nose that is sensitive enough and can observe the color on the stick is not too black (dark brown), and can tell what you are feeling when you use your bare fingers to wipe some oil from the stick and rub carefully between your fingers - AND you are driving mostly highway miles, you can quite easily stretch the Mobil1 change interval out to ~10K miles.

As mentioned, the synthetic motor oils can cause valve cover seals, or oil pan seals, or rear main seal gaskets around rear pan area, etc., to drip minor amounts of oil - not enough to leave a puddle, assuming those gaskets were in reasonably good shape to begin with - have several Mobil1 engines running in vehicles around the place that have 300K +/- miles, and none of them burn or leak any oil (typically getting 3.5-4.5K miles before adding a quart) - over the years, have had a couple of these Mobil1 engines apart, and they are clean, inside - no black goo or baked-on carbon deposits.

No worry if you decide to change from a dino oil to a full synthetic - the only fly in the ointment used to have to do with engines, when new, back 20+ years ago - it was recommended that the motor be broken in on regular oil for the first ~50K, THEN switch to synthetic - seems that using a synthetic in some of the 1990+-era new engines would not allow the piston rings to properly break-in/seat to the cylinder walls because the synthetic oil was simply too slippery - it was recommended to break in these older motors with a regular oil, which would properly "wear" the rings to a perfect matched fit in the cylinders - THEN slick it up with a full synthetic after the 50K break-in period. I have pulled apart engines with 120K+ and am still able to see light cylinder cross-hatch hone marks in the motors that have been running a full synthetic.

"Today's" modern motors (over the last, say, 15 years) are much "tighter" precision-fit assemblies, using the latest in material sciences on ring, piston, cylinder and bearing surfaces, and many come from the factory running a full synthetic.

Mobil1 is a full synthetic, and was one of the first to market back in the early 1990s, IIRC.

ETA - IMPORTANT NOTE - due to more recent EPA regs, ALL of the oil manufacturers have had to REDUCE the amount of zinc in their oils - zinc is a additive that is able to significantly reduce metal wear when two metal surfaces are rubbing together under mechanical pressure - both the synthetic and regular oil brands - across the board. This has caused a wear issue to develop in SOME older motors using flat-tappet valve lifters - particularly in performance motors, but can potentially affect all older-skool flat-tappet valve lifter motors - Fords, GM, Chryslers - any of the older motors using push-rod valve accutation are potentially at risk for premature flat-tappet valve lifter failure using any of today's motor oils - this is a dicey area of concern, as there are other mitigating mechanical circumstances involved in this issue, that are technical, that play into this warning - some of the pushrod motors don't really have a problem with the new low-zinc motor oils - while others can exhibit much faster wearing of the tappet surfaces - the BEST way to handle this is to either use a select few of the custom oils that are on the market, blended with the old zinc formulas/amounts (typically available at the speed shops or online) OR add a bottle of a zinc enhancer to any of the new oils when changing oil in the older motors.


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kjacks

Senior Member
Agree with the above, also I believe it's the best gun oil around, it's "slicker" than normal gun oil and doesn't attract dust or lint nearly as bad as dino oil...at least that's what I found out before the boating accident....
 

teedee

Veteran Member
I purchased a VW Golf with the 1.8 turbo motor. They recommended a 10w-40 Castrol motor oil that you could get only at the dealer at the time for $5 per quart. One time the dealer screwed up and put regular oil in instead of the full synthetic. That car had a mileage indicator and the mileage dropped about 2 miles per gal. After 2000 miles I changed back to the full synthetic oil and the mileage jumped back that 2 miles per gallon. That more than paid for the extra cost of the oil. Last time I new anything about that car it had 150K miles on it and burned less than a pint in 5000 miles.
 

dvo

Veteran Member
Agree with the above, also I believe it's the best gun oil around, it's "slicker" than normal gun oil and doesn't attract dust or lint nearly as bad as dino oil...at least that's what I found out before the boating accident....

The guy who was at one time in charge of DOE’s swat teams that protect nuclear power plants said that they used full synthetic engine oil to lube their AR’s. Kind of good enough for me in a pinch. A single quart would go a long long way. Really cheap compared to most “miracle “ gun oils too.
 

marsofold

Veteran Member
I use Castrol full synthetic oil and change it at 5000 Miles. Me and my nephew had both tried Mobil 1 and both of us had valve tapping noise immediately after the oil change. After switching back to Castrol synthetic, the valve tapping noise went away for both of us. I'm a Castrol for life guy now.
 

teedee

Veteran Member
I used to work for a car wash co back in the 1970's. We made roll over brush car washes and one of the problems we had was the big brush that went over the top of the car had gotten MUCH larger. The spot for the 60-1 gear box was fixed and the box was rated for 1/2 HP. We were at the time putting 1 1/2 HP through that poor gear box and after you washed about 6 or 7 cars in a row you could fry eggs on the housing. Mobil had just come out with a full synthetic gear oil and I talked our rep into getting me a quart to try. We were running a test at the time where we were washing a car over and over all day long. I drained the oil in the gear box and added the synthetic gear oil and started the test again. After about 25 car washes in a row I shut it down and to my surprise you could hold you hand on the case with no problem. With the old oil the gear box would have branded you. I have been a big fan ever since.
 

poppy

Veteran Member
Wife got a new Toyota last August and it was due for its first oil change. Looked in the manual and it takes 0-W16 motor oil. None available anywhere in this area and had to order it online and not many brands to choose from. Of course Toyota sells their brand but I have no idea who makes it for them. That was in November but I see more brands now online but still none locally. I guess the tighter tolerances on today's new engines requires a thinner oil to get in and lube everything.
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Need a little automotive advice here: concerning synthetic blend motor oil.

2010 Subaru Forester needs an oil change, so I went to purchase a jug of Castrol GTX (my usual preferred brand) when I noticed that the only option on the shelf (other than the High Mileage version) said Synthetic Blend. I don't recall seeing that before. Is it OK to run that in the engine where I have always run regular oil before? This must be a new trend. It used to be that if you wanted to change to fully synthetic oil you had to go through a process of multiple oil/filter changes. Somebody please enlighten me. Hopefully this is just a newer product that will just work fine.

I would have probably grabbed the high mileage GTX myself.

Synthetic blend motor oils are a mix of regular dino oils and synthetic oils. You can pour it into the Scubaru without issue. A suggestion is to keep the same viscosity as you are currently running. Synthetic oil does not change viscosity based on heat or cold. The synthetic blend may or may not get thinner as it gets hotter, I just don't remember.
Expect leakage if you currently have leaks in the valve covers or the main seals. Not a huge amount but if the motor leaks now it will continue to using synthetic blends. The blend oil won't get thicker as it gets cold. Boxer motors leak-fact of life. I'd kill to have an AlfaSud Sprint Veloce dribbling in the driveway (another famous boxer motored car).
You shouldn't have any issues with using synthetic blends. There used to be a process when switching from dino to synthetic; today's cars can swap between the two with no issues (the gaskets and seals are far better today than they were when synthetics first came out.) FYI-people who get their oil changed at Jiffy Lube and other quick oil change places? Their line oil (bulk oil out of a hose) is synthetic blend oil.
I've never used, and won't use the stuff in my personal vehicles-I remember VERY early when Mobil 1 first came out it had some issues burning cam lobes (Mobil 1's base was a soybean oil base). That was in the early 70's so I'm certain that issue has been resolved. My cars are all pre 2001, they have actual throttle cables, distributors and ancient stuff like that. I prefer to step on the gas pedal rather than stepping on a potentiometer. And Castrol dino runs in the veins-too many Alfas, too many Fiats that required 20w50 in my life.

The lack of zinc in the oil issue should not affect your vehicle at all. It might on older vehicles, much like the lack of lead in fuels these days and cars from the time of leaded fuels.

Also, on your year model you have Takata air bag inflators in them and they need to be changed out. Subaru will do it for free (if they have any stocks of inflators). There is also an issue with the steering column on your year car-there's a part in there that may break and cause stuff like the horn, blinkers, cruise control to not work. Those are the current recalls on the 2010 Scubarus.
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Wife got a new Toyota last August and it was due for its first oil change. Looked in the manual and it takes 0-W16 motor oil. None available anywhere in this area and had to order it online and not many brands to choose from. Of course Toyota sells their brand but I have no idea who makes it for them. That was in November but I see more brands now online but still none locally. I guess the tighter tolerances on today's new engines requires a thinner oil to get in and lube everything.

This is on a Prius, correct? The oil sounds weird (0-W16-stuff pours like water!)but it's a legitimate oil. It's not the same as 0-20 oil; you can use the 0-20 oil in a W-16 oil specced engine but not vice versa. Nippon oil and gas makes it for Toyota, and it's a oil spec that's been in use in Japan since at least 1991 in the Jap domestic market. It's an oil for very tight tolerance engines, if the engine needs it I'd stick with it. Apparently the stuff is a all year round oil.
 

David Nettleton

Veteran Member
As long as were are on the topic I don't think my question here is thread drift. I have a 2015 GMC Sierra. Small V8 and like it as much as the Lexus V8 I had years ago. GM will not cover the engine warranty if you do not use their special GM 0-20 synthetic or Mobil One Advanced 0-20 oil. Why?
 

FaithfulSkeptic

Carrying the mantle of doubt
Need a little automotive advice here: concerning synthetic blend motor oil.

2010 Subaru Forester needs an oil change, so I went to purchase a jug of Castrol GTX (my usual preferred brand) when I noticed that the only option on the shelf (other than the High Mileage version) said Synthetic Blend. I don't recall seeing that before. Is it OK to run that in the engine where I have always run regular oil before? This must be a new trend. It used to be that if you wanted to change to fully synthetic oil you had to go through a process of multiple oil/filter changes. Somebody please enlighten me. Hopefully this is just a newer product that will just work fine.
Yes. For that matter, you're better off running full synth. Unless you beat your vehicle, you can usually go 10K miles between oil changes. If it's 100% city driving, well, 8K. Penny per mile, it's a toss up. The big difference is you don't need to change it as often. Switch to full synth the next time around. Then pull the dipstick at 3K, and you'll see it still looks clean ( unless you have an oil burner ).
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
As long as were are on the topic I don't think my question here is thread drift. I have a 2015 GMC Sierra. Small V8 and like it as much as the Lexus V8 I had years ago. GM will not cover the engine warranty if you do not use their special GM 0-20 synthetic or Mobil One Advanced 0-20 oil. Why?

Probably because those oils are have a certain specification (like API/SF etc) that the engines need. GM dexos oil covers that new spec if I remember. Other oils may sludge up the motor or not offer z viscosity at x temperature the motor needs.
 

Milkweed Host

Veteran Member
Along with the fully synthetic oils, I think the oil filter is extremely important.
I prefer the Purolator One, which has more folds. The longer mileage filters also have
extra metal screening to hold them together. I use mostly Mobil One oil, 0-20 for the
Honda and 5-20 for the pickup. The oil requirements come printed on my vehicle engine oil caps.
Mobil One is also running sales oil, so i stock up.
 

DennisD

Veteran Member
I would have probably grabbed the high mileage GTX myself.
Yeah, I almost went that way. But, even though it's a 2010, it only has 30,000 miles on the odometer. Somehow it didn't seem to qualify!

By the way, thanks to all the respondents: I'm receiving an education here.
 

chumly2071

Contributing Member
Set up camelcamelcamel price watches on the mobil1 full syn 5 quart jug of your flavor of choice. They often end up at like $21/ea, shipped plus tax with prime.

Also, once you switch to the high mileage blends, stay with them. They have additive packages in them to swell weepy seals, and when you switch back, they can shrink farther than they started, and create some more serious leaks.
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yeah, I almost went that way. But, even though it's a 2010, it only has 30,000 miles on the odometer. Somehow it didn't seem to qualify!

By the way, thanks to all the respondents: I'm receiving an education here.

With 30K miles swapping over to full synthetic shouldn't be an issue. And I'd keep the same oil change schedule as you did with dino oil. You can get extra miles between oil changes with synthetics but the car guy in me has LOF-3000 miles imprinted on my forehead. The oil might go longer, but that filter won't. The OEM Subaru filters are made by Fram, by the way. I like their internals.A good filter maker for imports (I've still got a case of Fram PF 7's for my next V6 Alfa should I ever be able to work on cars again.) A good domestic car filter is the Purolator One series. Also a well made filter (if you have a domestic car in your fleet.)

Some extra Subaru specific stuff for you. On some of the newer ones I inspect (particularly Outbacks) the rear door catch (mounted on the inside, the silver part that the door latches to) on some are loose. Maybe not torqued properly at the factory? Yours is older, but if you hear a new rattle coming from the back that might be it. Thankfully your car isn't affected by the current EGR valve swallowing recall. Seen two motors affected by the recall-the internals are not pretty......
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Here's one of my own cheap hints for oil changes. Stick a high strength rare-earth magnet on the very bottom of your new oil filter when you install it. The magnet is reusable every time you change the filter and it might help catch a few extra particles of ferrous metal debris.

Best
Doc
 

Creedmoor

Tempus Fugit
Put a magnet on your drain plug too.

ETA: On old skool cars, a rare earth magnet in your auto tranny pan was “de riguer”.
 
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Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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How old school? Rare earth magnets weren't available until the mid-70’s, and I’d expect that when first developed, their availability would’ve been very limited.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
The guy who was at one time in charge of DOE’s swat teams that protect nuclear power plants said that they used full synthetic engine oil to lube their AR’s. Kind of good enough for me in a pinch. A single quart would go a long long way. Really cheap compared to most “miracle “ gun oils too.

0 weight - only way to go when it's damn cold
 
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