Those of you all hot for a revolution need to read this.

Troke

TB Fanatic
Modern Times by Paul Johnson Harper and Rowe 1983


"...It is necessary to turn political crisis into armed conflict by performing violent actions that will force those in power to transform the political situation of the country into a military situation. That will alienate the masses, who, from then on, will revolt against the army and the police.. The government can only intensify its repression, thus making the lives of its citizens harder than ever... . police terror will become the order of the day...The population will refuse to collaborate with the authorities, so that the latter will find the only solution to their problems lies in the physical liquidation of their opponents. The political situation of the country will [then have] become a military situation...."

This is from the Algerian Revolution and it was followed closely. The butchery and slaughter was unbelievable. The first ones assassinated were the ones that might have brought about a peaceful solution. Thus a cop that was a thug was not bothered. A cop that was an honest man trying to do the best job..he was assassinated. Ditto politicians and bureaucrats..corrupt scum were not bothered, honest ones were killed. As the civil authority could not protect the honest citizenry, the Army came in which was just what the revolutionaries wanted.
Because when they got done, nobody was neutral which just what the revolutionaries had counted on.

And it went on from there.

It was solved by DeGaulle completely and totally betraying the Algerian French and their supporters. The French were able to leave, most of the Algerians could not afford to. As part of the 'peace' deal, the Algerian French supporters were disarmed by being told that they were to get more modern weapons. Then the Army stood by while the Revolutionaries slaughtered them. Everybody who had as much as taken a job sweeping the floor in a French office was killed.
 

mbabulldog

Veteran Member
different revolutions have different ideologies.

a revolution in a country so fed-up with thuggery and corruption isn't likely to look the other way with regards to players who embrace same.
 

Halfdar

Cold and pissy
Using the example of French colonial behavior with regard to revolutionary outcomes may not be entirely applicable to the American situation.

In fact, dissimilarity is fervently to be hoped for.
 
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smokin

Veteran Member
My thoughts are that those in power are pushing for this. Most of the people i associate with just want to be left alone to go on with their life. They are fed up with the corruption and thievery of their money and our natural resources to fund the Gibsmedats and war machine.

Taking away the ability of the honest law abididing citizen to protect their family and themselves could be the last straw. They are not looking to overthrow the Govt. or fight the military. They just want the constitution and the laws of the land to be upheld.

When push comes to shove pandora's box will be opened and only God can save us. Bloomberg, Cuomo, Feinstein, Reid and the like are the ones pushing for war to gain more control over the country. Might backfire though ?
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
"...It is necessary to turn political crisis into armed conflict by performing violent actions that will force those in power to transform the political situation of the country into a military situation. That will alienate the masses, who, from then on, will revolt against the army and the police.. The government can only intensify its repression, thus making the lives of its citizens harder than ever... . police terror will become the order of the day...The population will refuse to collaborate with the authorities, so that the latter will find the only solution to their problems lies in the physical liquidation of their opponents. The political situation of the country will [then have] become a military situation...."

That's the Marxist approach - look for this style of provocation to originate with Democrats in DeeCee (William Ayers, Bernardine Dorhn etc), not the folks who love America and what it stands for.
 
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TimeTraveler

Veteran Member
Modern Times by Paul Johnson Harper and Rowe 1983


"...It is necessary to turn political crisis into armed conflict by performing violent actions that will force those in power to transform the political situation of the country into a military situation. That will alienate the masses, who, from then on, will revolt against the army and the police.. The government can only intensify its repression, thus making the lives of its citizens harder than ever... . police terror will become the order of the day...The population will refuse to collaborate with the authorities, so that the latter will find the only solution to their problems lies in the physical liquidation of their opponents. The political situation of the country will [then have] become a military situation...."

This is from the Algerian Revolution and it was followed closely. The butchery and slaughter was unbelievable. The first ones assassinated were the ones that might have brought about a peaceful solution. Thus a cop that was a thug was not bothered. A cop that was an honest man trying to do the best job..he was assassinated. Ditto politicians and bureaucrats..corrupt scum were not bothered, honest ones were killed. As the civil authority could not protect the honest citizenry, the Army came in which was just what the revolutionaries wanted.
Because when they got done, nobody was neutral which just what the revolutionaries had counted on.

And it went on from there.

It was solved by DeGaulle completely and totally betraying the Algerian French and their supporters. The French were able to leave, most of the Algerians could not afford to. As part of the 'peace' deal, the Algerian French supporters were disarmed by being told that they were to get more modern weapons. Then the Army stood by while the Revolutionaries slaughtered them. Everybody who had as much as taken a job sweeping the floor in a French office was killed.

Once again, disarmament before genocide. I think the gun owners in the U.S. understand this very well. It has been repeated many times over the centuries.
 

Troke

TB Fanatic
Using the example of French colonial behavior with regard to revolutionary outcomes may not be entirely applicable to the American situation.
Depends on the revolutionary. True, we have a different situation. But every revolution that I have read about has pretty well followed the basic principles of the OP. One thing that distinguishes every one of them; dissenters within the revolution are killed.

Lenin took over Russia supposedly with less than 25,000 supporters. But I guarantee you they all agreed on the goal and how to get there.
 

Palmetto

Son, Husband, Father
This will not be a revolution. The revolution happened when the Usurper took office.

This will be a counter-revolution.
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
Their will be a blood bath. To the elite both sides are cannon fodder. In other words we are like Chess parts in a Chess game. The Elite are the Chess players having sick fun with us. The Elite will just bring in U.N. forces. The U.N. forces are expendable like we are. So is life.
 

Watchman2

Veteran Member
I do not think that anyone is "hot" for a revolution. It is just that we can see no other alternative, having already exhausted all other options, and are sick and tired of playing the roles in theater.

To understand this, one must really get their head around the fact that you are voting ONLY FOR SOMEONE WHOM THE ELITE ALLOW up to the ballot, no matter what the smooth talk is.

W2
 

Hansa44

Justine Case
I do not think that anyone is "hot" for a revolution. It is just that we can see no other alternative, having already exhausted all other options, and are sick and tired of playing the roles in theater.

To understand this, one must really get their head around the fact that you are voting ONLY FOR SOMEONE WHOM THE ELITE ALLOW up to the ballot, no matter what the smooth talk is.

W2

Sadly, we've been telling this at TB2k for years. Doesn't help. Hansa
 

MC2006

Veteran Member
The Prerequisite Conditions Needed for Civil War II

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/03/23/the-prerequisite-conditions-needed-for-civil-war-ii/

Many Americans brag that our citizens have an estimated 300 million guns and nobody, not even the government, would ever dare to try and subjugate America. I have bad news for these “wishful thinkers”, America has already been conquered and the occupation forces are implementing a police state surveillance grid like the world has never seen.

The bravado of gun owners might help them sleep better at night, until they understand what they are up against. These same naive people often put their faith in the Red Dawn scenario in which average American people, armed to the teeth, mount a defense against an invading army or even a tyrannical government. And these hopelessly naive Americans actually think they can win. And even if a successful confrontation of the globalists was possible, the prerequisite conditions needed to ferment a successful civil war are not yet in place.
Most Americans Fail To Recognize Their Current Place In History

The very small percentage of Americans who are awake enough and who actually think that they preparing to fight to preserve the Republic are self-deluded. They remind me of Japanese soldiers found on Pacific Islands years after WWII was over who thought they we still defending the Empire of Japan. These Japanese soldiers had already lost the war and so have we lost our war to the globalists. An economic coup d’état has subjugated the country which has also been followed by a political takeover. Also the use of the word “revolution” is a misnomer. The present talk of rebellion should accurately be labeled as a counter-revolutionary movement which seeks to restore the rule of law to our country through the re-establishment of the supremacy of the Constitution which has been systematically hijacked over the past several decades.

conquered americaThe United States is both a conquered and occupied nation. Our presidency, our Congress and most of our statehouses are beyond the reach of the people because the globalists have already hijacked these political institutions as evidenced by the fact that Agenda 21 policies are everywhere.

The globalist controlled judiciary in this country has declared that they can steal your bank accounts any time they want and the globalists have been robbing you blind since 1913. The theft of America’s resources moved out into the open in 2008 with the commencement of the bail outs and the brazenness of the NWO occupation forces got right up into our faces when MF Global stole billions of dollars from already secured investor funds. Your police departments have been federalized, meaning that they are under the control of the globalist occupation forces. You are forced to eat GMO’s through control of the food labeling process. You are powerless in stopping the poisoning of our water through fluoridation. You live in a country that pays more for health care than any other nation, yet we only have the 51st longest lifespan. On more days than not, the gangsters who run this planet tag our skies with poisonous chemicals as a seeming reminder that they own the hood. The small percentage of you who even know what a chemtrail is, are powerless to stop the decimation of our atmosphere. The people are not preparing to defend anything. Subsequent talk of a revolution represents childlike fantasy thinking.

Sadly, most Americans do not even know that they have already been conquered because CNN has not told them so.

Yes, more people are waking up to the tyranny, but most are still mired in the left-right paradigm and fail to grasp who their real enemies are. America is not preparing to enter into a civil war, they are preparing to have a tantrum as the refuse to retreat their room as they have been ordered to do by their globalist parents.

Could this new era of citizen discontent mushroom into a high level of civil disobedience which is always a precondition to revolution? Events are certainly moving in that direction. If the government makes a decided move on either guns, the internet or our financial instruments (e.g. pensions, bank accounts, 401K’s, etc.) there will be violence in the streets. And once civil disobedience reaches a certain level, a spark could set off a civil war. However, the requisite conditions needed to set off a civil war have not yet been met. And, for a civil war to be effective, a significant portion of the military must join the fight on the side of the people. For that to happen, we need to realize that there is not going to an Eight Days in May scenario where military planners secretly plot to overthrow our globalist hijacked government. The Patriot Act and other assorted tyrannical acts of usurpation of the Constitution have made that impossible because ALL military leaders are under 24/7 surveillance.
The Elements of a Civil War

In the previous two revolutions, specifically, the American Revolution and the Civil War, each side of the conflict had equivalent technology and as a result, similar weaponry. Superior weaponry does not always guarantee victory, however, the odds obviously shift dramatically to the side with the deadliest weapons. American gun owners, at this point in time, are only capable of bringing a butter knife to a gun fight. Part three of this series will demonstrate why an armed grassroots revolution cannot succeed. The remainder of the article will focus exclusively on the prerequisite elements needed to launch a successful revolution.

Woody Allen at the end of “Annie Hall,” said that “Love is like a shark. Unless it moves forward, it dies.” The same is true of revolutions. Revolutions thrive on the symbolic and the strategic and they also follow very predictable steps. The American Revolution followed very predictable steps on the way to a successful revolution. The following recounts many of the elements needed to have a successful revolution.
Revolutions Require the Development of a Collective Consciousness

I have often said that a person’s process of awakening to the globalist tyranny which is in the process of enslaving our nation has many entry points which leads to the tree of knowledge. For me, the tree of knowledge and awareness opened when John McCain and friends attempted to steal my property and 300 of my neighbor’s properties, without a dime of compensation, to make way for the CANAMEX Highway system. From there, I learned about the North American Union and how NAFTA and CAFTA gave away American sovereignty and jobs. Then the flood gates of information opened up and I saw the true nature of the beast that has absconded with our Republic. As a result of our struggle against the globalist occupation forces, almost all of my 2,000 rural neighbors and friends have come to understand about the source and nature of the encroaching enslavement we are facing. I have said for years that if only the country could come to learn what my neighbors have learned, we could wake up the majority of the country. Well, we do have such an opportunity and it is right here and right now.

The British Parliament literally did all the work in unifying a significant number of colonists against the Crown. The passage of the hated Stamp Act which taxed all legal documents and even went so far as to even tax playing cards, made the King the most hated person in the colonies. For the first time, a large number of colonists began to see the government of their mother country to be a detriment to their way of life. Therefore, it is prudent to ask the question if Americans of today have an equivalent “Stamp Act” which could serve as a rallying cry against the tyranny coming out of Washington DC? The answer is a resounding yes!

Obamacare will fully expose the globalist tyranny for what it is. Few things will raise the ire of a populace than to greatly overpay for an assumed right or privilege. The greatly escalating healthcare costs, accompanied by age-related denials of service (i.e. death panels) will do more to unify this country against our criminally controlled government than anything else imaginable. Once the majority of the people understand that their government has set them up, many will begin to see the tyranny in other areas of government as well. The new and emerging collective consciousness will become the breeding ground for a revolution.

Thanks to Obamacare, the process of waking up much of the country, will take between two and five years as the draconian nature of Obamacare will begin to reveal itself and there will be no way to conceal the fact that we live in a conquered and occupied country. Does America have two to five years to wake up? I am not sure. A currency collapse could be a real game changer and if it happens before this new awakening can take hold, all bets are off and a new set of circumstances related to our potential and total enslavement will come into play and this will be a topic covered in Part three of this series.
A Revolution Requires Acts of Civil Disobedience

Tcivil disobediencehe federal government has correctly anticipated, through the purchase of massive amounts of ammunition and acquiring shooting target sheets depicting average Americans as the targets, that as more Americans awaken to the reality of our situation, we will witness dramatic acts of civil disobedience. A series of Boston Tea Party “events” could serve as a rallying point and brand the developing conflict into a clear cut “us vs. them” scenario. The globalist controlled government knows this as well. Why do you think that Homeland Security (DHS), through the MIAC Report, has branded returning veterans (the 21st Century equivalent of the colonial “Minute Men”), Ron Paul supporters, Constitutionalists and pro-Second Amendment supporters as the new terrorists?
Cyber Attacks Will Become the New Civil Disobedience

cyber attacksWhat will be the tactics of the modern day “Boston Tea Party” patriots? I think it is a safe bet that selected cyber attacks will be generated against institutions such as the Federal Reserve or the favorite sons of the globalist corporate empire such as BP, EXXON, Halliburton and General Electric. You may have noticed recent chatter about the federal government contemplating the preemptive use of lethal force against “cyber terrorists”. Make no mistake about it, they are not talking about the Chinese, they are talking about Americans who have had enough and begin to vent their frustrations against the system by engaging in cyber attacks upon the establishment’s favorite sons.

cyber attacker 2If the intent of an emerging freedom movement was to paralyze and neutralize the globalist occupation forces, cyber attacks are a brilliant tactic. Of course my legal disclaimer is that I am not suggesting that such cyber attacks take place, I am merely observing that such an approach, by analyzing through the lens of history, would be an excellent tactic because the acts would be relatively easy to conceal, there is no direct confrontation in which one overtly risks physical injury or arrest, nor could the globalists anticipate where or when the next attack would take place. Remember, the Sons of Liberty dressed up like Native Americans in order to carry out the Boston Tea Party with relative anonymity. The brilliance of this approach to civil disobedience would become apparent to all if the internet was to be shut down in order to prevent further attacks. And I believe that a shutdown of the internet will awaken most of the country the tyranny which inhabits the halls of Congress and the Oval office.

Of course, cyber attackers would be well-advised to avoid attacking the power grid or any other entity which could serve to alienate the unaware and asleep public because the goal is to win converts while mounting resistance.
Revolutionary Movements Require Symbols of Martyrdom

kent state massacreThe Boston Massacre did more to push the colonists toward revolution. In the same fashion, the Kent State Massacre did more to end the Vietnam War than any other act of protest. The authoritarian globalists will make mistakes. They will, no doubt, will unwittingly make innocent Americans into martyrs as they continue to impose their tyranny upon our occupied country. Symbols of martyrdom will clearly add to the collective consciousness of the growing group of Patriots which will eventually oppose the globalists.
Revolutionary Movements Require Charismatic Leadership

Americans lost a real opportunity with the retirement of Ron Paul as he was the lone national symbol of resistance against the globalists. And please do not mention Rand Paul. Rand Paul showed his true colors when he endorsed de facto Obamacare author, Mitt Romney, for President.

founding fathers 2One of the major reasons that a revolution movement cannot be pushed forward in the present environment is that there is a decided leadership void. Leaders of the new revolution will undoubtedly emerge in ways that we cannot predict. However, we should be careful to not blindly follow one charismatic leader because there is infiltration in the Patriot movement by globalist operatives. Rather, like our forefathers, the colonists put their faith in a number of the Founding Fathers instead of blindly following one charismatic leader. We would be wise to do the same.
All Revolutions Require a Trigger Event

jfk 2nd amendmentHistory clearly demonstrates that trigger events which leads to wars and revolutions just don’t spontaneously happen. Trigger events are the result of a series of events which makes the coming conflict inevitable and the coming conflict is simply looking for the right spark. For example, nobody could have accurately predicted that the assassination of a low level political figure, such as the Archduke Ferdinand, could have resulted in World War I.

The trigger event for the Revolutionary War was undoubtedly the failed attempt of the British to seize arms and ammunition of the colonists at Lexington and Concord. I suspect, in light of the present political climate, a similar trigger event will occur multiple times should Obama make a move on our guns.
Conclusion

Once the trigger event occurs, the matter in which Patriots approach rebellion will be critical. The last thing that Americans should want to do is to confront the globalists on the battlefield or even in the streets. This is a prescription for American genocide.

The folly of allowing ourselves to be seduced into confronting the globalists in the open will be discussed in Part Three of this series.
 

Halfdar

Cold and pissy
Depends on the revolutionary. True, we have a different situation. But every revolution that I have read about has pretty well followed the basic principles of the OP. One thing that distinguishes every one of them; dissenters within the revolution are killed.

Lenin took over Russia supposedly with less than 25,000 supporters. But I guarantee you they all agreed on the goal and how to get there.
Not only do you have a different situation, you are not French, which was in fact my point. Given that America already did the revolutionary thing once, she has something of a heritage to be usefully guided by... although in the present circumstances, it is the revolution itself that is to be discarded.

A counter-revolution is indicated and properly identified.
 

Garand

Veteran Member
I am still waiting for the spark that starts the fire. Then we are off and running with a revolution.
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
Yep, the Elite will have everything in place to counter anything that can be bought against them. Everybody has a gun! So what! What is the use of a gun if you have no food and have to come out of your hiding place to beg for food. The Elite only have to tie up the food to win. Your food supplies will already be tied up. Only 2% of your population remain on farmland. How many can see a year out on stored food. Try a week for most.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Yep, the Elite will have everything in place to counter anything that can be bought against them. Everybody has a gun! So what! What is the use of a gun if you have no food and have to come out of your hiding place to beg for food. The Elite only have to tie up the food to win. Your food supplies will already be tied up. Only 2% of your population remain on farmland. How many can see a year out on stored food. Try a week for most.
sad but true. old-timer tried to make me responsible for the plight of the older unemployed: "what are you going to do about them?" he asked. i replied: "they made their choices long ago. back when i made mine."

now unless you are raising your own food for your family, your fate is tied to the state and it's ability to keep the just-in-time delivery of food and fuel (and welfare!) happening. once that is interrupted, even once, well, there sir, is your "trigger".

this won't be a revolution or counter-revolution: this will be anarchy and chaos, followed by abject slavery properly identified as the Age of the Mark of the Beast.

it is fit and proper to have the means to defend your family, but your only real hope are "spiritual weapons" and trusting and obeying the One who died to ransom your soul.
 

TimeTraveler

Veteran Member
I do not think that anyone is "hot" for a revolution. It is just that we can see no other alternative, having already exhausted all other options, and are sick and tired of playing the roles in theater.

To understand this, one must really get their head around the fact that you are voting ONLY FOR SOMEONE WHOM THE ELITE ALLOW up to the ballot, no matter what the smooth talk is.

W2

John F. Kennedy once warned:

"Those who make a peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable."
 

timbo

Deceased
I do not think that anyone is "hot" for a revolution. It is just that we can see no other alternative, having already exhausted all other options, and are sick and tired of playing the roles in theater.

To understand this, one must really get their head around the fact that you are voting ONLY FOR SOMEONE WHOM THE ELITE ALLOW up to the ballot, no matter what the smooth talk is.

W2
This is what it's about. No one is HOT for what will be chaos and death.

I finally figured out why I get angry at your post Troke. You think you are the teacher at the front of the classroom and we are all a bunch of dumb kids.
Let's see your evidence that we are all HOT for a revolution.

For those that have already been defeated and are sure that the govt. will slaughter us.........I pity you. You have already died and you might as well just lay down. You have already quit.
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
Look back home in Australia I used to be able to walk in to a gun store and buy whatever I wanted. It has all changed these days and the public did nothing at all. If you are a bad guy then getting a gun is no big problem however for the average person it is very difficult.

Current Australian firearm laws

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia#Current_Australian_firearm_laws

State laws govern the possession and use of firearms in Australia. These laws were largely aligned under the 1996 National Agreement on Firearms. Anyone wishing to possess or use a firearm must have a Firearms Licence and, with some exceptions, be over the age of 18. Owners must have secure storage for their firearms.

Before someone can buy a firearm, he or she must obtain a Permit To Acquire. The first permit has a mandatory 28-day delay before it is first issued. In some states (e.g., Queensland, Victoria, and New South Wales), this is waived for second and subsequent firearms of the same class. For each firearm a "Genuine Reason" must be given, relating to pest control, hunting, target shooting, or collecting. Self-defense is not accepted as a reason for issuing a license, even though it may be legal under certain circumstances to use a legally held firearm for self-defense.[2]

Each firearm in Australia must be registered to the owner by serial number. Some states allow an owner to store or borrow another person's registered firearm of the same category
 

Troke

TB Fanatic
This is what it's about. No one is HOT for what will be chaos and death.

I finally figured out why I get angry at your post Troke. You think you are the teacher at the front of the classroom and we are all a bunch of dumb kids.
Let's see your evidence that we are all HOT for a revolution.

For those that have already been defeated and are sure that the govt. will slaughter us.........I pity you. You have already died and you might as well just lay down. You have already quit.
The OP title starts out those of you kind of implying not all of you. OK? In fact it may apply to only two posters. But read what is often posted on this forum. We got folks who seem to think a revolution will be a spontaneous rise of the Lesser Classes all armed to the teeth, the elite seeing the masses coming will wet their panties and surrender or run.

All I can say about that is that the supply of Dreaming Sheep seems to be infinite because 20th century history for revolutions is butchery and slaughter. And I am astounded that there are people who think otherwise.

The brutal truth of the matter is that the only peaceful revolution possible is through the ballot box.
 

timbo

Deceased
But that is the rub! I just can't see that this will end in a peaceful revolution......Is there such a thing?

I might be mincing words but I see us in more of a rebellion which in my mind is people telling the govt. HELL NO! NO MORE! If that is a peaceful revolution then I agree with that.

Troke, I appreciate your many threads, I really do.

Maybe I'm just too damn sensitive. If so, I apologize.
 
This will not be a revolution. The revolution happened when the Usurper took office.

This will be a counter-revolution.
Exactly. Different game, different tactics. Think more along the lines of the Maquis in Occupied France in WWII. Start small, gain momentum and grow over time. You can find many examples of successful counter-revolutionary movements in history. It won't be easy, it won't be pretty but it will succeed IF people want it badly enough. Time will tell.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
As a gentle reminder : Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. -- John F. Kennedy, in a speech at the White House, 1962

To begin with, it's the Twenty-FIRST Century. And believe me, I know my history as far as unconventional warfare is concerned. We are on new ground here, as far as asymmetrical warfare is concerned. See also Fourth Generation Warfare for that matter. Things will probably not work out the way you think... http://sfmedic.blogspot.com/2013/03/what-will-happen-if-obama-orders-us.html
 
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Dex

Constitutional Patriot
When it is blatantly obvious (as if it wasn't already) that the government itself has completely discarded the rule of law under The Constitution, the people will do what is necessary. It's already happening, right now it's civil disobedience, when TPTB cross that line, it will be completely overt.

It's quite obvious that many are quite afraid of the government, in some ways that is justified, in the big picture you have to take the governments bureaucratic ineptness into account, as well as a few million veterans and active military who aren't about to stand by and watch political tyrants destroy what they have fought for so dearly. Now add several more million people who are plain fed up with it already, who've been around long enough to recognize bullshit when they see it and you have a formidable counter-revolutionary force to be reckoned with.

Too many people give the government stooges and alphabet agencies WAY too much credit. Those fearful ones are already useless so they shouldn't be counted on for anything useful when the time comes anyway. Remember who they are because they will be the ones giving up their essential liberty, informing on their neighbors and eventually will be the ones who SHOULD be put into re-education camps for a while to learn what The Constitution is all about. The traitors show themselves, you just have to be watching, they are on your TV, at your job and maybe living on your street. Keep track of them so they can't keep track of you.
 

dogmanan

Inactive
This is what it's about. No one is HOT for what will be chaos and death.

I finally figured out why I get angry at your post Troke. You think you are the teacher at the front of the classroom and we are all a bunch of dumb kids.
Let's see your evidence that we are all HOT for a revolution.

For those that have already been defeated and are sure that the govt. will slaughter us.........I pity you. You have already died and you might as well just lay down. You have already quit.

Thank you my thoughts exactly.

Cowards who have already given up.
 

Foothiller

Veteran Member
Some posters here always shill for the status quo, they still believe or at least pretend to believe that there is a difference between the two parties, and downplay any hope others might have of affecting change.

The only people who like the status quo are those who are profiting handsomely from it.

That ain't me, and evidently a number of others here and elsewhere.

My money is on the 3 pers. .gov is only as effective as their fake money and their supply chain.

Once it goes hot they're out numbered, out gunned, and after they kill a bunch of innocents in their death throes, liberty will once again triumph.

Usually when I see posts from Troke I ignore them as they are usually trumpeting and justifying the status quo, whether its the war on some drugs, propaganda, and the invincibility of the state.

I ain't buyin' what he's sellin', with all due respect.


Tory's didn't fare well last time and I reckon they're setting themselves up for a similar outcome this time.

It's either the 3 pers win, or its disarmament, then off the camps with the white Christian pro liberty folks. I for one will water the tree of liberty with my own blood before boarding the cattle car and I hope others share my sentiment. Our descendants' future rides on our actions. Clearly voting or petitioning our reps (r or d) doesn't make a damn bit of difference.

Right now, Republican voters are being used by the forces of evil as useful idiots who continue to vote for and approve of their own demise. Their preferred info source, Foxnews, is every bit as coopted as CNN or MSNBC, and IIRC, Rupert Murdoch is a big supporter of disarmament of the American public. The cognitive dissonance is epic.

I feel pity for their inability to see what's right in front of them, so strong are their delusions combined with their ideology and their normalcy bias.

R==D== no room for people who don't worship fiat money and state power.

There is no party for those who believe in real American ideals. There is a party for those who love government power and ponzi schemes. It;s call the Demopublican/Republicrat party.

:dstrs:
 

Kent

Inactive
Depends on the revolutionary. True, we have a different situation. But every revolution that I have read about has pretty well followed the basic principles of the OP. One thing that distinguishes every one of them; dissenters within the revolution are killed.

Lenin took over Russia supposedly with less than 25,000 supporters. But I guarantee you they all agreed on the goal and how to get there.
Yep. But many will not believe it................until it is too late.
 

Troke

TB Fanatic
I am getting sick and tired about this status quo crap. Every time we move off the status quo, the country goes Left. Odd none of you have noticed. Until I have a reasonable expectation we are going Right, I am not going anywhere. Right now, if we can keep the status quo for the next four years, we will have pulled off some sort of coup. I am not optimistic.

Cattle cars and concentration camps are so 1930, I am astounded that anybody thinks that way any more. There are ways for them to get you to do what they want without all that stuff. Just check my threads on the O election machine for just a hint of what is available. In fact, if they can get you to do absolutely nothing, they will be quite satisfied. In the last election, a lot of you did exactly that..nothing. And O won.

While I am ranting, some bitching that Romney really didn't want to be the POTUS and that was bad. Where is everybody? That is precisely the type of person we want in office! When he is done, he goes home, just like G. Washington.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Troke, the reason people are so fed up with your position is because of how ignorant it is. WE HAVE NEVER MOVED FROM THE STATUS QUO IN THE COUNTRY AT LARGE, AND WE ARE STILL MOVING LEFT. That's because the status quo on the part of the GOP IS NO LONGER WORKING AND NEVER WILL AGAIN. Most of us see it, but you're too brainwashed to understand it. The myopia is YOURS rather than OURS. And we get tired of reading you beating the status quo drum, when that method is DEAD in this country. You're just too stubborn and obtuse to see it.

And if you're going to keep doing this, I'd really appreciate it if you'd just keep your political opinions to yourself.
 

Stardust

Veteran Member
The OP title starts out those of you kind of implying not all of you. OK? In fact it may apply to only two posters. But read what is often posted on this forum. We got folks who seem to think a revolution will be a spontaneous rise of the Lesser Classes all armed to the teeth, the elite seeing the masses coming will wet their panties and surrender or run.

All I can say about that is that the supply of Dreaming Sheep seems to be infinite because 20th century history for revolutions is butchery and slaughter. And I am astounded that there are people who think otherwise.

The brutal truth of the matter is that the only peaceful revolution possible is through the ballot box.
Troke, it seems you underestimate We the People. We understand much more than you want to give us credit for.
 

theoriginaldeb

Still A Geology Fanatic
As long as the govt. can keep everyone running in circles they will be satisfied. Speaking up and defending the Constitution --has become revolutionary and necessary.
 

Troke

TB Fanatic
Troke, the reason people are so fed up with your position is because of how ignorant it is. WE HAVE NEVER MOVED FROM THE STATUS QUO IN THE COUNTRY AT LARGE, AND WE ARE STILL MOVING LEFT. That's because the status quo on the part of the GOP IS NO LONGER WORKING AND NEVER WILL AGAIN. Most of us see it, but you're too brainwashed to understand it. The myopia is YOURS rather than OURS. And we get tired of reading you beating the status quo drum, when that method is DEAD in this country. You're just too stubborn and obtuse to see it.

And if you're going to keep doing this, I'd really appreciate it if you'd just keep your political opinions to yourself.
Well, you got me befuddled, I don't know what you are talking about, unless you claim the Status Quo is moving Left and being with the Status Quo, I am also moving Left. I will have to think about that.

But I do know one thing for sure. The position that you and others like you took in the last election put Obama in office. And there is no refuting that.
 
0bama was reelected, not because the majority of people voted for him as you seem to think, Troke. 0bama was reelected because the progressive-socialists and their bankers OWN the electoral process. If you think there has been a free election in this country for the past 100 years, you are sadly mistaken. Open you eyes to what everyone else can see so clearly. Not only your eyes, but also your mind. If you do not, you will be one of the statistics in what is to come. JMHO.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Well, you got me befuddled, I don't know what you are talking about, unless you claim the Status Quo is moving Left and being with the Status Quo, I am also moving Left. I will have to think about that.

But I do know one thing for sure. The position that you and others like you took in the last election put Obama in office. And there is no refuting that.

Talking to you about politics is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It wastes my time and annoys the pig.


For the 50th and LAST TIME, Romney was fatally flawed as a candidate. Too many people saw it, and UNLIKE YOU, chose to not vote for the lesser of two evils. UNLIKE YOU, they did it with eyes wide open. They/we/I felt like our vote (or lack thereof) was sending a message to the GOP. Whether or not the party understands the message will be demonstrated by the candidates fielded in 2014 and 2016.

I won't discuss politics with you again. You simply cannot understand the new paradigm. It's a choice you've made, and that choice renders political discussion with you meaningless and totally unproductive. (It's also why you're "befuddled".)
 
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