Christian for Israel
Knight of Jerusalem
excellent read! so, did you publish it?
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Wow! How did I miss this earlier? I just spend a whole Saturday afternoon reading this no-stop Alan, you are an amazing story teller. I hope that you find the time to finish the EMP story you started months ago. It was really starting to get riveting. I learn a lot from your stories.
Thank you for the excellent entertainment and education.
(Nudge to RR and his Patriot Aid Station)
Thank you for the excellent entertainment and education.
(Nudge to RR and his Patriot Aid Station)
gardenlily
Contributing Member
I think this should be made into a movie. It is great.
Anne in TN
Inactive
I just finished reading the story. It was the best story I can ever remember reading. I could easily relate to it as we live on a small farm and are forever preparing for hard times.
Alan, I enjoyed your story very much and learned a great deal from it! Thank you!
Anne
Alan, I enjoyed your story very much and learned a great deal from it! Thank you!
Anne
Excellent!
This was an excellent read. I think this story needs bumping back to the front page so that anyone that hasn't discovered it can read it. I just found it this week myself. I remember it being mentioned by people when it was first written, but I didn't have time to read it then. This week, during Christmas break, I read it and In the Blink of an Eye. Both are excellent. I encourage anyone who hasn't read them to read both. Also, CFI has a great story going with Mountain Home.
Just a warning. Once you start any of these reads, you are glued to the computer, so be prepared!
This was an excellent read. I think this story needs bumping back to the front page so that anyone that hasn't discovered it can read it. I just found it this week myself. I remember it being mentioned by people when it was first written, but I didn't have time to read it then. This week, during Christmas break, I read it and In the Blink of an Eye. Both are excellent. I encourage anyone who hasn't read them to read both. Also, CFI has a great story going with Mountain Home.
Just a warning. Once you start any of these reads, you are glued to the computer, so be prepared!
A.T.Hagan
Inactive
Something of an epilogue.
Two and a half years later after the start of this story and just after the great Indonesian earthquake and tsunamis this was posted to the board by BB and I append it here as an epilogue.
URL: http://www.abqtrib.com/albq/nw_loca...3459190,00.html
<strong>Lab: Meteor could cause big tsunami</strong>
By Sue Vorenberg
Tribune Reporter
January 10, 2005
Los Alamos National Laboratory is watching the sky for tsunamis.
While most tsunamis are caused by earthquakes or landslides, the potential for an asteroid-caused tsunami remains a threat the world should watch out for, said Galen Gisler, a Los Alamos National Laboratory scientist.
"Every 10,000 years or so, we should get a tsunami from an asteroid, and we haven't had one in about that amount of time," Gisler said. "It's a hard thing to calculate, because we don't know how many asteroids are out there, but some international groups are starting to do surveys to quantify that."
On lab computers, Gisler is modeling the potential impacts of such a strike. The hope is that the modeling will help give warning of where tsunamis would go and how they would propagate if a large asteroid struck one of the world's oceans, he said.
That warning could become part of a larger series of monitoring systems that would prevent another disaster like the recent tsunami in the Indian Ocean, he said.
It would cost a few million dollars to set up those systems for asteroids, earthquakes and landslides in each of the world's seas and oceans, but the warning systems could save thousands of lives, Gisler said.
"If we had a monitoring system in the Indian Ocean, maybe 75,000 lives could have been saved in this recent disaster," Gisler said. "It's just ridiculous when you look back that the money wasn't spent."
Asteroids are one of several under-monitored events that could cause a disaster, Gisler said.
An asteroid the width of a half-mile or bigger could cause tsunami waves to propagate across an entire ocean. If something like that happened in the Pacific, the world would get warning because of the monitoring system there. Not so in the Atlantic, where there is no system, Gisler said.
"There's a danger of tsunamis in all oceans," Gisler said. "Earthquakes are a danger in the Pacific, Caribbean and Indian Ocean, but landslides, volcanoes and asteroids can also cause them."
The Caribbean and Indian Ocean also don't have systems, he said.
Gisler's model grew out of his work at the lab analyzing how bomb blasts will travel through water. After the tragedy in the Indian Ocean, it has taken on new meaning, he said.
"My personal feeling is that all the world's oceans should be monitored against these types of things," Gisler said.
Other factors than earthquakes could cause significant damage in areas where people might think they're safe, said Sue Bilek, a New Mexico Tech scientist who studies earthquake related tsunamis.
"There's not much danger in the Atlantic Ocean of a tsunami from an earthquake, but many scientists have theorized you could get a significant tsunami from a landslide or volcanic eruption," Bilek said.
And a strike by a half-mile wide asteroid in the Atlantic near Florida could cause a 10-foot-tall tsunami that could kill thousands and create massive property destruction, Gisler added.
Even the Gulf of Mexico isn't completely safe, he said.
"The Caribbean has active volcanoes and faults where the Caribbean plate is sliding into the Atlantic plate," Gisler said. "Tsunamis could easily propagate from that area into the Gulf."
Scientists are doing what they can to learn from the disaster, by modeling it to understand the devastating waves more clearly, Gisler said. The international community is also finally talking about setting up tsunami warning systems in the Caribbean and Indian Ocean, he added.
"All you can hope for when something like this happens is that some good can come out of it," Gisler said.
Copyright 2005, The Albuquerque Tribune. All Rights Reserved
Two and a half years later after the start of this story and just after the great Indonesian earthquake and tsunamis this was posted to the board by BB and I append it here as an epilogue.
URL: http://www.abqtrib.com/albq/nw_loca...3459190,00.html
<strong>Lab: Meteor could cause big tsunami</strong>
By Sue Vorenberg
Tribune Reporter
January 10, 2005
Los Alamos National Laboratory is watching the sky for tsunamis.
While most tsunamis are caused by earthquakes or landslides, the potential for an asteroid-caused tsunami remains a threat the world should watch out for, said Galen Gisler, a Los Alamos National Laboratory scientist.
"Every 10,000 years or so, we should get a tsunami from an asteroid, and we haven't had one in about that amount of time," Gisler said. "It's a hard thing to calculate, because we don't know how many asteroids are out there, but some international groups are starting to do surveys to quantify that."
On lab computers, Gisler is modeling the potential impacts of such a strike. The hope is that the modeling will help give warning of where tsunamis would go and how they would propagate if a large asteroid struck one of the world's oceans, he said.
That warning could become part of a larger series of monitoring systems that would prevent another disaster like the recent tsunami in the Indian Ocean, he said.
It would cost a few million dollars to set up those systems for asteroids, earthquakes and landslides in each of the world's seas and oceans, but the warning systems could save thousands of lives, Gisler said.
"If we had a monitoring system in the Indian Ocean, maybe 75,000 lives could have been saved in this recent disaster," Gisler said. "It's just ridiculous when you look back that the money wasn't spent."
Asteroids are one of several under-monitored events that could cause a disaster, Gisler said.
An asteroid the width of a half-mile or bigger could cause tsunami waves to propagate across an entire ocean. If something like that happened in the Pacific, the world would get warning because of the monitoring system there. Not so in the Atlantic, where there is no system, Gisler said.
"There's a danger of tsunamis in all oceans," Gisler said. "Earthquakes are a danger in the Pacific, Caribbean and Indian Ocean, but landslides, volcanoes and asteroids can also cause them."
The Caribbean and Indian Ocean also don't have systems, he said.
Gisler's model grew out of his work at the lab analyzing how bomb blasts will travel through water. After the tragedy in the Indian Ocean, it has taken on new meaning, he said.
"My personal feeling is that all the world's oceans should be monitored against these types of things," Gisler said.
Other factors than earthquakes could cause significant damage in areas where people might think they're safe, said Sue Bilek, a New Mexico Tech scientist who studies earthquake related tsunamis.
"There's not much danger in the Atlantic Ocean of a tsunami from an earthquake, but many scientists have theorized you could get a significant tsunami from a landslide or volcanic eruption," Bilek said.
And a strike by a half-mile wide asteroid in the Atlantic near Florida could cause a 10-foot-tall tsunami that could kill thousands and create massive property destruction, Gisler added.
Even the Gulf of Mexico isn't completely safe, he said.
"The Caribbean has active volcanoes and faults where the Caribbean plate is sliding into the Atlantic plate," Gisler said. "Tsunamis could easily propagate from that area into the Gulf."
Scientists are doing what they can to learn from the disaster, by modeling it to understand the devastating waves more clearly, Gisler said. The international community is also finally talking about setting up tsunami warning systems in the Caribbean and Indian Ocean, he added.
"All you can hope for when something like this happens is that some good can come out of it," Gisler said.
Copyright 2005, The Albuquerque Tribune. All Rights Reserved
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Knight of Jerusalem
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murgatroid_98
Inactive
This was a most excellent story. I quess this post will bump it up a bit. I may read it again. Interestingly, I haven't had any problem opening it in my home computer.
I just wish I could open up Deep Winter. Sigh.
Anyway Alan, I think you are an excellent writer.
Mary
in Central Florida
I just wish I could open up Deep Winter. Sigh.
Anyway Alan, I think you are an excellent writer.
Mary
in Central Florida
Indiansummer
Inactive
A.T. Hagen
My favorite chapter was the Thanksgiving prep, with the turkey. Very amusing, and drew loud laughter again and again. Very real talent, and so rich with family value, and the lessons being taught are invaluable; to the child characters and to your readers as well. You are amazing. I think the math lessons are incredible indicators of the values learned in really living, raising food, and surviving. Excellent reading, and entertainment. Thank you so much for giving such a heart warming gift.
My favorite chapter was the Thanksgiving prep, with the turkey. Very amusing, and drew loud laughter again and again. Very real talent, and so rich with family value, and the lessons being taught are invaluable; to the child characters and to your readers as well. You are amazing. I think the math lessons are incredible indicators of the values learned in really living, raising food, and surviving. Excellent reading, and entertainment. Thank you so much for giving such a heart warming gift.
Comments
First, I really enjoyed the story. A lot of e-books just tend to drag on and on and kinda fade away.
Next, living on Long Island, where we get freezing cold winter weather, it struck me as rather strange that a grave could be dug while there are ice storms. -- Once you get past the frozen ground, it's OK, but it's really hard before then. No, I don't know how they did it in the old days. It's probably possible, but very difficult.
In a similar vein, you may want to look into the town's water/sewer pipes bursting. Hereabouts they need to be at least 18" below ground level.
Again, a GREAT tale!
--Rich
First, I really enjoyed the story. A lot of e-books just tend to drag on and on and kinda fade away.
Next, living on Long Island, where we get freezing cold winter weather, it struck me as rather strange that a grave could be dug while there are ice storms. -- Once you get past the frozen ground, it's OK, but it's really hard before then. No, I don't know how they did it in the old days. It's probably possible, but very difficult.
In a similar vein, you may want to look into the town's water/sewer pipes bursting. Hereabouts they need to be at least 18" below ground level.
Again, a GREAT tale!
--Rich
Freeholdfarm
Inactive
I think I've read most all of Alan's stuff -- he really ought to be published, and so ought some of our other writers, such as tsherry with Deep Winter. There are some really good writers here. Anyone know any publishers, LOL!?!
Kathleen
Kathleen
You do great work
I wanted to just say that you have writen a great story that teaches your readers as they are enjoying reading the next chapter. You should try to get this published. More people need to read this type of fiction. It could help to wake them up to what will happen when the status que crashes.
Thank You for all of your hard work and research.
Anvil
I wanted to just say that you have writen a great story that teaches your readers as they are enjoying reading the next chapter. You should try to get this published. More people need to read this type of fiction. It could help to wake them up to what will happen when the status que crashes.
Thank You for all of your hard work and research.
Anvil
Sorry it had to end
As I have read this in the last few weeks, ( I got to read it start to finish as time and work would allow.) I have had a lot of time to think about your story line. I belive that this type of responce is what will be needed in the future when ever the bottom falls out from under the American ecomony. A famly farm/homested would be the best place to weather the storm. It must be defended and you will need to have enough people to guard it as well as do the work. Also the off farm jobs were critical to there survival in this story and i think that is also going to be true.
Thank you for writeing and I also would love to buy an autographed copies, as well.
I have highly enjoyed your story.
Thank You.
Anvil
May 12th 2005
As I have read this in the last few weeks, ( I got to read it start to finish as time and work would allow.) I have had a lot of time to think about your story line. I belive that this type of responce is what will be needed in the future when ever the bottom falls out from under the American ecomony. A famly farm/homested would be the best place to weather the storm. It must be defended and you will need to have enough people to guard it as well as do the work. Also the off farm jobs were critical to there survival in this story and i think that is also going to be true.
Thank you for writeing and I also would love to buy an autographed copies, as well.
I have highly enjoyed your story.
Thank You.
Anvil
May 12th 2005
M
Mrs. B
Guest
AWESOME!!! - Self Publishing?
I "found" TB2K a few days ago, and have spent the last 3 days reading the story! (Between tending to 2 men, 1 puppy, 3 rats...moving...)!
How fantastic!!! I have made several changes/additions to my "preps", thanks to this story!
I want it in Print when you get it published!!!
Have you thought about Self-Publishing? You could probably get enough "pre-orders" on here to pay for it. Also, there is now high-quality 'print-on-demand'.
Thank you!!!
Mrs. B
I "found" TB2K a few days ago, and have spent the last 3 days reading the story! (Between tending to 2 men, 1 puppy, 3 rats...moving...)!
How fantastic!!! I have made several changes/additions to my "preps", thanks to this story!
I want it in Print when you get it published!!!
Have you thought about Self-Publishing? You could probably get enough "pre-orders" on here to pay for it. Also, there is now high-quality 'print-on-demand'.
Thank you!!!
Mrs. B
45nut
Inactive
I see the author of this great story is listed as "in-active"...what a shame I cannot commend him on his work but a bump to the top to introduce it to newer members without a search of the archives will have to suffice.
In my rather short time here as a member I see more and more I missed but I am trying to catch up. Thanks to the forum admin for hosting TB2K and having the vision to start it. I can only wish my own forum will have the same success and great content for the years to come.
In my rather short time here as a member I see more and more I missed but I am trying to catch up. Thanks to the forum admin for hosting TB2K and having the vision to start it. I can only wish my own forum will have the same success and great content for the years to come.
geoffs
Veteran Member
Intresting Article in todays NY Times; 
December 30, 2008
Meteorite Strikes, Setting Off a Tsunami: Did It Happen Here?
By KENNETH CHANG
The tsunami washed over Fire Island and, to the west, waves perhaps as high as 20 feet spilled into Lower Manhattan. The furious onrush of water left sediment a foot and a half deep on the Jersey Shore, and debris cascaded far up the Hudson River.
No, there’s no need to rush to higher ground, commandeer a rowboat in Central Park or empty the closet to grab the rubber boots. This disaster occurred about 2,300 years ago, though how bad it was, or even if it was a tsunami, remains in dispute.
But several geologists have collected evidence indicating that something very big and unusual occurred in waters near the New York area around 300 B.C., give or take a century. And Dallas Abbott, a research scientist at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, is asserting that a meteorite, landing somewhere in the Atlantic, generated the tsunami.
Someone at the tip of Lower Manhattan then would probably have seen “something coming in,” Dr. Abbott said. “Then you would hear a big bang, maybe a series of bangs, something that sounded like gunfire or cannons. It would be a really, really loud noise. And then you would be knocked to the ground by the air blast. And then you would be inundated by the tsunami.”
While not nearly as severe as the tsunami that killed more than 180,000 people in South and Southeast Asia in 2004, “it would have been a bad day to end all bad days,” she said, “in all senses.”
Although American Indians had long been living in and around the area that became New York, Dr. Abbott said there was no archeological evidence of a tsunami or known legends of, say, a terrible flood. She has built her case with diamonds, very tiny ones.
At a meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco earlier this month, Dr. Abbott reported finding minute carbon spheres and smaller-than-dust diamonds in sediment layers, which she said were the distinctive calling cards of a meteorite’s impact.
“I think it’s pretty convincing,” Dr. Abbott said. “We always find the impact ejecta in the tsunami layer, never outside.”
A few years ago, the geologist Steven Goodbred, then at the State University of New York at Stony Brook, was not looking for tsunamis or meteorites when he first examined sediment cores taken along the South Shore of Long Island. Dr. Goodbred was interested in the history of oysters in that area. But in the very first core, he saw a strange layer several inches thick containing fist-size gravel.
“We started joking immediately, ‘It’s a tsunami,’ ” recalled Dr. Goodbred, now a professor at Vanderbilt University in Nashville.
Subsequent cores, taken in Great South Bay, also contained that layer, deposited about 2,300 years ago. When Dr. Goodbred presented his findings at a conference a couple of years ago, he failed to convince other scientists. They said the layer was more likely caused by a big storm, not a tsunami.
“Even if it was a storm, it was the mother of all storms,” Dr. Goodbred said, pointing out that the devastating hurricane that passed directly over Long Island in 1938 generated less than an inch of sediment.
Then Dr. Goodbred met other scientists who had found similar sediment layers nearby. Cecilia McHugh, a professor at Queens College, had seen a sediment layer a foot and a half thick at Sandy Hook in New Jersey. That, too, was laid down about 2,300 years ago. And Frank Nitsche, another research scientist at Lamont-Doherty, had discovered a layer of wood debris in sediment cores from the upstate reaches of the Hudson River.
Then Dr. Abbott joined the project and found possible evidence of a meteorite.
But the arguments of a meteor causing a New York tsunami are still regarded skeptically by many, if not most, geologists. For one, no one has found any craters.
The evidence hinges most strongly on the tiny diamonds, presumably formed by the ultra-high pressures of impact.
The carbon atoms inside some of the diamonds are lined up in a hexagonal crystal structure instead of the usual cubic crystals. The hexagonal diamonds have been found only within meteorites and at impact craters, said Allen West, a geologist who performed the diamond analysis for Dr. Abbott’s New York sediments.
But unless researchers find a crater in the ocean floor, an Indian legend telling of a day of fire and water or many more thick sediment deposits, convincing other scientists of what they believe happened 2,300 years ago will continue to be an uphill battle.
December 30, 2008
Meteorite Strikes, Setting Off a Tsunami: Did It Happen Here?
By KENNETH CHANG
The tsunami washed over Fire Island and, to the west, waves perhaps as high as 20 feet spilled into Lower Manhattan. The furious onrush of water left sediment a foot and a half deep on the Jersey Shore, and debris cascaded far up the Hudson River.
No, there’s no need to rush to higher ground, commandeer a rowboat in Central Park or empty the closet to grab the rubber boots. This disaster occurred about 2,300 years ago, though how bad it was, or even if it was a tsunami, remains in dispute.
But several geologists have collected evidence indicating that something very big and unusual occurred in waters near the New York area around 300 B.C., give or take a century. And Dallas Abbott, a research scientist at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, is asserting that a meteorite, landing somewhere in the Atlantic, generated the tsunami.
Someone at the tip of Lower Manhattan then would probably have seen “something coming in,” Dr. Abbott said. “Then you would hear a big bang, maybe a series of bangs, something that sounded like gunfire or cannons. It would be a really, really loud noise. And then you would be knocked to the ground by the air blast. And then you would be inundated by the tsunami.”
While not nearly as severe as the tsunami that killed more than 180,000 people in South and Southeast Asia in 2004, “it would have been a bad day to end all bad days,” she said, “in all senses.”
Although American Indians had long been living in and around the area that became New York, Dr. Abbott said there was no archeological evidence of a tsunami or known legends of, say, a terrible flood. She has built her case with diamonds, very tiny ones.
At a meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco earlier this month, Dr. Abbott reported finding minute carbon spheres and smaller-than-dust diamonds in sediment layers, which she said were the distinctive calling cards of a meteorite’s impact.
“I think it’s pretty convincing,” Dr. Abbott said. “We always find the impact ejecta in the tsunami layer, never outside.”
A few years ago, the geologist Steven Goodbred, then at the State University of New York at Stony Brook, was not looking for tsunamis or meteorites when he first examined sediment cores taken along the South Shore of Long Island. Dr. Goodbred was interested in the history of oysters in that area. But in the very first core, he saw a strange layer several inches thick containing fist-size gravel.
“We started joking immediately, ‘It’s a tsunami,’ ” recalled Dr. Goodbred, now a professor at Vanderbilt University in Nashville.
Subsequent cores, taken in Great South Bay, also contained that layer, deposited about 2,300 years ago. When Dr. Goodbred presented his findings at a conference a couple of years ago, he failed to convince other scientists. They said the layer was more likely caused by a big storm, not a tsunami.
“Even if it was a storm, it was the mother of all storms,” Dr. Goodbred said, pointing out that the devastating hurricane that passed directly over Long Island in 1938 generated less than an inch of sediment.
Then Dr. Goodbred met other scientists who had found similar sediment layers nearby. Cecilia McHugh, a professor at Queens College, had seen a sediment layer a foot and a half thick at Sandy Hook in New Jersey. That, too, was laid down about 2,300 years ago. And Frank Nitsche, another research scientist at Lamont-Doherty, had discovered a layer of wood debris in sediment cores from the upstate reaches of the Hudson River.
Then Dr. Abbott joined the project and found possible evidence of a meteorite.
But the arguments of a meteor causing a New York tsunami are still regarded skeptically by many, if not most, geologists. For one, no one has found any craters.
The evidence hinges most strongly on the tiny diamonds, presumably formed by the ultra-high pressures of impact.
The carbon atoms inside some of the diamonds are lined up in a hexagonal crystal structure instead of the usual cubic crystals. The hexagonal diamonds have been found only within meteorites and at impact craters, said Allen West, a geologist who performed the diamond analysis for Dr. Abbott’s New York sediments.
But unless researchers find a crater in the ocean floor, an Indian legend telling of a day of fire and water or many more thick sediment deposits, convincing other scientists of what they believe happened 2,300 years ago will continue to be an uphill battle.
Siskiyoumom
Veteran Member
Glad to see this fine story bumped to the top.
I really enjoyed it.
Thank you Alan and hope you are doing well.
Sis
I really enjoyed it.
Thank you Alan and hope you are doing well.
Sis
stjwelding
Veteran Member
A.T.Hagan This is one great story this is the first time I have seen it and can't stop reading it. Thanks
Wayne
Wayne
stjwelding
Veteran Member
I just finished this story for the first time, wasn't on the web the first time around, this is one really great story sorry to see it end. If you haven't read it is definitely worth the time it take to read.
Wayne
Wayne
feralferret
Veteran Member
Just reread the story. Still an excellent tale. It's a shame that the author isn't still active here. He is a very talented writer.
I am amazed at how many of the posters in the thread are either inactive or deceased. Then again it has been 20 years. None of us live forever.
Thank you to all of those who have posted their stories on this board, and to all who comment.
I am amazed at how many of the posters in the thread are either inactive or deceased. Then again it has been 20 years. None of us live forever.
Thank you to all of those who have posted their stories on this board, and to all who comment.
