Prep Genrl Weekly Prep Thread: November 17 ~ 23, 2019

nomifyle

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We are still at 6 months maybe 7 months.

I do understand the concern with the other issues, but the lack of product would be an early indicator of possible problems. It is when that expands and is endemic is other pricier locations, ( Harveys for us), then I begin to worry more and made hard choices.

The bank runs and closures bear watching also, but I believe the stocking will be a better indicator of the next credit crunch that is coming. No one is going to say "Hey the banks are insolvent" anytime soon. Even when they are.

Always always keep cash in small denominations out of the bank and in a safe place. I've been keeping all of my change for 12 years or more, I have most of it hidden from DH, although after tapping into my change on my desk a couple of times, he won't do that anymore. I'm pretty easy going with my DH, but somethings are beyond the pale. My youngest use to steal my change and I had to find a better place to keep it. The last few years I've been using my atm card more than cash so I don't get to add to my change regularly much anymore, but I've got plenty.

Judy
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
Animal feed has been on my mind, too, but it’s hard to store it in this climate. Our best solution is to be able to feed them from the property. Not too hard with a few chickens (who are excellent foragers) and the two goats I currently have. A little harder for the dogs and cats. We need the livestock guardian dog (actually dogs, since I finally found a 3/4 Anatolian Shepherd pup to raise up as eventual replacement for my old girl). And we need a barn cat or two; the cats can at least partially feed themselves, and my oldest cat has turned into a pretty good mouser. But even he needs some supplementary food from me. I don’t have storage for more than a few months worth of feed at most, and usually lose at least a small portion of that to mold.

Kathleen
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It's the same with trying to store feed for our dog and cats. We try to keep at least a months worth on hand, but anything kept longer than that molds in our humid climate. Our cats are yard cats and can get by on their own with little help. Our dog can eat what we eat, or will eat off our property if it comes down to it.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Guys... you can store dry pet food in the same fashion you do any long term storage food. Mylar bags in 5 gallon pails. You need to pack it as soon as you open the bag it came in, and get it sealed up quickly. Oxygen absorbers are optional (but will help prevent rancidity, and most pet foods are high in fat, although they do add preservatives to help). If you are concerned the food may not be dry enough, some dessicant packets would be a good idea.

You can even get mylar bags large enough to fit into garbage cans, which would work for grain. Before Y2k, I stored a year's worth of layer mash and cracked corn. I just poured fresh feed into galvanized garbage cans, packing it firmly (less oxygen to make it go stale). Then I spread a half inch thick layer of DE over the entire surface, making sure it reached all the edges. (This kept it from being invaded by grain moths or other tiny pests). After putting the covers on, I taped them carefully with duct tape.

I used up the last of it in the Spring of 2001. It still smelled fine... not like freshly ground, but certainly not musty or rancid. The birds ate it without hesitation, and the rate of lay was normal.

Oh, the cans are set on 2"x8" boards, *not* directly on cement. Moisture will wick through cement.. cans sittibg directly on it will rust out quicker, too.

Summerthyme
 

Marseydoats

Veteran Member
I've got a huge rubbermaid container on wheels that I bought before Y2K, and that's what I keep the dry cat food in. It will hold 3 20 pound bags and the assorted odds and ends vitamins that I don't have room for in the barn. Fall, winter, spring, I keep about 60 pounds of dry, in the summer I never get more than 1 bag ahead because it does mold. I don't have the energy or the room to do what Summerthyme does!
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
I probably should go the Mylar bags route, now that we are settled and have barn space. Galvanized cans (I have eight of them, though two have damaged lids, and two are still stuck together from our move last year) are needed to keep rodents from chewing in. Plastic cans could be used for short-term storage, but I wouldn’t trust them for long-term.

Another important thing to store would be wormer. I just bought a tube of ivermectin horse wormer for the goats, and on the way home was thinking I should have bought several extra tubes to keep on hand. I’m going to add that to the list for next trip to town.

Kathleen
 

SouthernBreeze

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We would go with the galvanized cans, but we just don't have a place to store them. I do have two large Rubbermaid plastic tubs that I store their feed in in the pantry room. I don't have to worry too much about mold or moths in there. Guess I could get two more of those and stack them on top of the other two. That's about as good as I can do.

Speaking of pantry moths.....Can you use regular mothballs to keep them out?
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
I'm definitely thinking about mylar in 6 gallon buckets for my dog food. DH is taking our largest pig to the processor for the processor for a discount on processing fees. (I actually shed a tear or two about this, but I'll get over it). DH killed a deer yesterday and I thanked her for her sacrific (SP) for food for us.

When I signed up for Thrive Life foods, I did a three month thing to get free shipping. My third order is about to ship, and I'm not going to order from them regularly anymore. The food is good and I've stocked up on green onions and sliced onions, but overall I'm finding their prices are too high for me to order regularly. I have to go through all the LTF storage before I buy much more, if I had ever made a list of what I have I lost it long ago. I just kept stacking it up, that and the commodities I stored in paint cans (I know there are over 100 paint cans). I've never used any of that food, keeping it in case and its supposed to be good for 25-30 years and its now 10 years old. If I had to do that all over again I'm not sure I would, there is a lot of money tied up in it all. I was in my late 50's early 60's and now I'm almost 73.

Judy
 

summerthyme

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Speaking of pantry moths.....Can you use regular mothballs to keep them out?

Personally, I wouldn't put mothballs anywhere around food or feed. There are pherome traps sold for pantry moths that are safe around food. But the best thing is to simply never leave any food accessible to them. If you must leave stuff (like hamburger helper or boxed biscuit or pancake mixes) in the boxes, make sure you put them into containers, preferably as moth proof as possible. Those big popcorn tins sold around Christmas work well.

However, I've read that the boxes are actually the source of many pests in the home... apparently, bugs ofren lay their eggs in the glue, and then chew thrir way into the food when they hatch.

Summerthyme
 

SouthernBreeze

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Personally, I wouldn't put mothballs anywhere around food or feed. There are pherome traps sold for pantry moths that are safe around food. But the best thing is to simply never leave any food accessible to them. If you must leave stuff (like hamburger helper or boxed biscuit or pancake mixes) in the boxes, make sure you put them into containers, preferably as moth proof as possible. Those big popcorn tins sold around Christmas work well.

However, I've read that the boxes are actually the source of many pests in the home... apparently, bugs ofren lay their eggs in the glue, and then chew thrir way into the food when they hatch.

Summerthyme

Thanks, I didn't know you could buy traps just for pantry moths. I'll check those out.

Anything that I buy in boxes or bags go directly into my freezer for up to two weeks or a month, before they are stored on shelves to kill off anything I may bring home in them. I know that there is a chance of getting pests in them, once they are put on shelves, though.

I buy those little mothball hangers and place all around in the pantry room. Nothing ever touches the food. I was wondering if those would prevent pantry moths as well. I have a closet in the room for storing clothes, so I bought the mothball hangers for that purpose. I have them hanging not only in the closet, but around in the room, too.
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
I've been taking boxed foods out o the boxes and vacuum sealing the food in canning jars. I'm way behind, with lots of boxes of food stacked up, gotta get back at it, lol, that and many more things.

Judy
 

SAPPHIRE

Veteran Member
I know this is like singing to the choir, but...…….the local stores whether labelled big grocers, niche grocers, natural grocers, etc. ( I don't know about ethnic ones) are all whittling away on inventory...slow movers are being closed out (which is understandable) but also variable sizes......we're using up the cereals which may contain glyphosphates (sp) I know I should pitch them, but there's no too many...the packages are smaller and lighter but yikes the $ isn't.....many smaller cereals are now $4.50 a box. We used to bake All Bran muffins but they've changed the cereal and it doesn't taste like the "old" All Bran IMO......guess I'll give away the unopened box. I find the sliced cheeses and smaller bricks don't keep very long without tasting old...….I do freeze some but then they crumble (sounds whiny I know).

Even the organic Rudi's bread isn't as nice as it used to be IMO and it's at least $4.50 a loaf or more.
Another peeve......the fruits and veggies have very little taste.....bland blah not worth eating IMO.

So, what to store???? We have a few months worth but cannot expand much...health prohibits working on shelving etc. And if I ask our sons to help they make us feel really stupid for stocking up.

They NEVER COOK so they're pantries are pretty bare......but since I do and stock I'm the weirdo...…..huh
 

Marseydoats

Veteran Member
Sapphire, you can stack flats of cans without shelving. Stack them high enough and throw a tablecloth over them, and use them as an end table and no one will know the difference. I've got a lot of stuff stored under my bed (which may be a mistake because I had a terrible time getting out the last time I crawled under there!)
Do you not have an Aldi store near you? Most of their cereal is reasonable, and good. I don't know if they have an All Bran alternative, because I don't buy that. I get corn flakes and grape nuts for me and junk cereal for dh when he asks for it. And we like their 12 grain bread. It's not as good as home made but dh refuses to make bread anymore.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
Sapphire, you can stack flats of cans without shelving. Stack them high enough and throw a tablecloth over them, and use them as an end table and no one will know the difference. I've got a lot of stuff stored under my bed (which may be a mistake because I had a terrible time getting out the last time I crawled under there!)
Do you not have an Aldi store near you? Most of their cereal is reasonable, and good. I don't know if they have an All Bran alternative, because I don't buy that. I get corn flakes and grape nuts for me and junk cereal for dh when he asks for it. And we like their 12 grain bread. It's not as good as home made but dh refuses to make bread anymore.


for a steady stack of can goods flats get a hand spool of poly stretch wrap - if you wrap each flat separately the wrap will almost glue them together - if you want one big stack the wrap will lock it down tite ....
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
When CaryC and I first starting prepping, we shopped at Save-A-Lot, and bought flats of canned everything. We didn't have a pantry room at that time, so we stacked flats on top of flats, until about chest high against a bare wall in our bedroom. Then it became two stacks, then 3 stacks. I took old sheets and threw over everything when company came. I also kept our bedroom door closed, and nobody ever saw in there anyway. Also, we didn't have any small children in the house at that time that could topple the stacks. It didn't look too romantic in our bedroom, and it didn't match the décor, but it worked for us, until we made our pantry room.
 

1911user

Veteran Member
for a steady stack of can goods flats get a hand spool of poly stretch wrap - if you wrap each flat separately the wrap will almost glue them together - if you want one big stack the wrap will lock it down tite ....

Good idea. This is what factories sometimes use to wrap odd shaped things for shipment or to keep everything together on a pallet.

Something like this 5" wide should work for home use: https://www.amazon.com/Stretch-Durable-Self-Adhering-Industrial-Strength/dp/B0741CCQR1/

This search will show some of the different options: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=poly+strech+wrap
 
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SouthernBreeze

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Using the wrap wouldn't work for me, since I use out of my preps for everyday food. It wouldn't be too convenient to have to unwrap things every time you wanted something. But, if you plan to seal up these flats for longer term storage, it would work fine.
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
I know this is like singing to the choir, but...…….the local stores whether labelled big grocers, niche grocers, natural grocers, etc. ( I don't know about ethnic ones) are all whittling away on inventory...slow movers are being closed out (which is understandable) but also variable sizes......we're using up the cereals which may contain glyphosphates (sp) I know I should pitch them, but there's no too many...the packages are smaller and lighter but yikes the $ isn't.....many smaller cereals are now $4.50 a box. We used to bake All Bran muffins but they've changed the cereal and it doesn't taste like the "old" All Bran IMO......guess I'll give away the unopened box. I find the sliced cheeses and smaller bricks don't keep very long without tasting old...….I do freeze some but then they crumble (sounds whiny I know).

Even the organic Rudi's bread isn't as nice as it used to be IMO and it's at least $4.50 a loaf or more.
Another peeve......the fruits and veggies have very little taste.....bland blah not worth eating IMO.

So, what to store???? We have a few months worth but cannot expand much...health prohibits working on shelving etc. And if I ask our sons to help they make us feel really stupid for stocking up.

They NEVER COOK so they're pantries are pretty bare......but since I do and stock I'm the weirdo...…..huh

My sons pantries are bare and their wives don't cook. They definitely think I'm nuts, but I live 250 away from them and they never come to my house, so they'll not see what I have, and if the did they'd have a fit. So be it, makes me happy.

Judy
 

1911user

Veteran Member
I was cleaning out a deep kitchen cabinet this morning and one find was 10 cans of bacon spam with a best-used-by date of 2011. They were hiding among some other cans of 2019 bacon spam.
This is yet another example of why the house clean and organize effort is needed. I haven't had a good rotation system for canned foods, but that is also changing.
These cans are not bulged and blended in with the newer cans so I expect it's fine. All of the 2011 spam will be eaten or thrown away in the next month.

I also found about 10 pounds of honey I'd forgotten about. Most is crystallized but warm water will fix that for awhile. It seems like once I start having to re-liquify honey, it just crystallizes faster and faster each time.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
My sons pantries are bare and their wives don't cook. They definitely think I'm nuts, but I live 250 away from them and they never come to my house, so they'll not see what I have, and if the did they'd have a fit. So be it, makes me happy.

Judy

Our oldest DS and DIL gets it! They have a large home about 2 miles from us, and have taken a cue from us about turning a spare bedroom into a walk in pantry. Both of them love to cook, and cook from scratch, since she is gluten intolerant and has allergies to MSG. I went to visit them the other day, and was very impressed with what they have accomplished in their pantry room. DIL and I share thoughts and ideas about more prepping all the time. She wants me to teach her how to can veggies out of a garden come spring. They buy all their garden veggies from a local organic farmer's market in town.

Youngest DS is disabled from MS, and lives in a tiny apartment with his DW. They know that the plan is to come home if a SHTF event happens. They are in Texas, but are wanting to move closer to us, hopefully soon. They prep what they can, which isn't much given their situation.
 
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Freeholder

This too shall pass.
My two older daughters aren’t really preppers, but they both cook from scratch and keep well-stocked pantries. I figure that’s better than most, and don’t bug them about it. Middle DD’s house came with a whole-house generator which automatically kicks on if the power goes off. Oldest DD usually has at least a small garden (she works full time and has teens at home, so doesn’t have time for a big garden, but she’s been planting fruit trees and berries in their big backyard). Both girls follow Dave Ramsey and are on a pretty sound footing financially, but I’m the only one of us who is mortgage-free at this point, and that could see some of my family needing to come here if the economy crashes. All we can do is the best we can do, and trust the Lord for the rest.

Kathleen
 
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