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northern watch

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Eunice Yoon‏Verified account @onlyyoontv 1m1 minute ago

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colleague @EamonJavers reports White House considering imposing travel restrictions on #China amid an escalating death toll from the new #coronavirus
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Capt. Eddie

Veteran Member
At New Orleans International (MSY) waiting for a flight have seen exactly ONE person with a mask (or any pep for that matter) and that was on octogenarian in a wheel chair. No warning signs or notices posted, security as usual.

Doesn't look like the world outside of TB2K is taking this too seriously yet.

Having some medicinal IPA just in case.
 

forpetesake

Senior Member
Meh … Mongo has a lot of real, feet on the ground experience as far as prepping and what to prep for. He lives the life every day and has documented it extensively to help others. He doesn't just talk about it. And he is part of a small, tight knit community doing the same thing so he is cognizant of how communities work in real time and what can pose realistic threats to his community and communities in general.

That said, TB2K is famous (infamous) for its snark, dark humor, and woo-control. People are either sure enough of their hypothesizing and theories that they can take it … or not. Those that aren't secure enough and who whap back like they are butthurt should expect their credibility to sink. Same for those postulating theories that use numbers that are insupportable.
You think this is rough? This is nothing compared to how people could be treated. If you're sure then don't worry about it. The question people need to ask themselves is how will they be viewed by others at TB2K after this thread goes dormant. And just to not be viewed as hypocritical, I am talking about all posters, not just a few extreme views on either end of the spectrum.
Ok Kathy.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Yep, masks are about sold out here in Ireland but you don't see many people wearing them yet - we will know more after Nightwolf goes to his dental appointment on Thursday (by bus to another town).
 

Tarryn

Senior Member
White House discussing China travel restrictions amid coronavirus outbreak

White House discussing China travel restrictions amid coronavirus outbreak
PUBLISHED TUE, JAN 28 2020 11:03 AM EST
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  • The White House is considering imposing travel restrictions on China amid an escalating death toll from the new coronavirus, sources said Tuesday.
  • The restrictions could affect flights into and out of China, as well as airports across the United States.
  • No final decision has been made. A senior staff meeting was held at the White House on Monday during which the restrictions were discussed.
GP: Coronavirus LAX travel restrictions

Passengers wear protective masks to protect against the spread of the Coronavirus as they arrive at the Los Angeles International Airport, California, on January 22, 2020.
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The White House is considering imposing travel restrictions on China amid an escalating death toll from the new coronavirus, sources said Tuesday.
The restrictions could affect flights into and out of China, as well as airports across the United States.
No final decision has been made. A senior staff meeting was held at the White House on Monday during which the restrictions were discussed.

Coronavirus live updates: Outbreak has killed 106 people and infected nearly 4,700

A press conference is scheduled for later Tuesday at the Department of Health and Human Services.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention expanded its China travel warning on Tuesday, now warning all U.S. travelers to avoid the entire country.

Previously, the health agency had advised against nonessential travel to Wuhan, the city where the disease was first diagnosed and the site of the majority of known cases.

The new coronavirus has killed 106 people and infected more than 4,500, according to Chinese health authorities. It was first diagnosed late last month.

This is breaking news. Please check back for updates.
 

northern watch

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(((Henry L Niman PhD)))‏ @hniman 1m1 minute ago

Emerging Lineage In Shenzhen and United States (WA, IL, CA) Guangdong Province (described in Lancet) Snohomish, Cook, Los Angeles Counties shared polymorphisms in orb 1ab and orf 8
 

pinkelsteinsmom

Veteran Member
@DrEricDing

3. The RNA sequences of the #coronavirus isolated from 6 patients from the same household are different from each other (Lancet), sign of the virus evolving. This may not be so good to the ear; it suggests the difficulty of containing this virus”.

Full description from source :

As an example, in the Lancet study, the RNA sequences isolated from 6 patients from the same household are different from each other, he noted. Lai said he observed in his previous research the “frequent occurrence of RNA recombination between different coronavirus strains,” a sign of the virus evolving.
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Twitter thread explaining where it might have came from & seafood market is not the source : [link to twitter.com (secure)]

It has middle fragment never seen before in any coronavirus. This would be rare because they generally mutate with similarities to something we've already seen.

My read on it is that this has been locked up somewhere like a biolab, allowed to mutate over many generations until it doesn't resemble anything in the wild, then it got accidentally(?) released.

Does China's massive QUICK response to this at the very early stages indicate that they were aware of just how dangerous this was -- because they were the ones working on it?

Unprecedented city lock downs, secrecy, etc. You got to wonder.

Does anyone know if bioweapons are chosen that mutate often or is it desirable to use one that rarely mutates?

Most bioweapons seem to be bacterium. The two popular viruses are smallpox and Ebola. However, in my research I see THIS from 2017:

Could CRISPR be used as a biological weapon?
[link to phys.org (secure)]

There are good reasons for the widespread attention to CRISPR. The technique allows scientists to "cut and paste" DNA more easily than in the past. It is being applied to a number of different peaceful areas, ranging from cancer therapies to the control of disease carrying insects.

Concerns are also mounting that gene editing could be used in the development of biological weapons. In 2016, Bill Gates remarked that "the next epidemic could originate on the computer screen of a terrorist intent on using genetic engineering to create a synthetic version of the smallpox virus". More recently, in July 2017, John Sotos, of Intel Health & Life Sciences, stated that gene editing research could "open up the potential for bioweapons of unimaginable destructive potential".
 

Vegas321

Live free and survive
Note from a worker in Beijing area from company.

His wife got a call from ??? To tell her to come get tested based on her travel to Wuhan 2 weeks ago..

Got text saying everyone must report any travel to Wyhan. Reward of 1000rmb for turning in someone who is trying to hide their travel.
Thus, the possible murder video of a victim who refused to get treatment.
 

Deanne

Veteran Member
Our local news just said that there could be two possible with the virus at Miami Universary in the Dayton Ohio area. Will have to get on this, to close to home
 

pinkelsteinsmom

Veteran Member
Wait till this thing is spreading in the downtown Shitattle, San Fran and LA homeless drug addicted shitters!!! Everything drains down hill here into Puget Sound. Can this be transmitted via water supply?
 

Matt

Veteran Member
A huge portion of our population is too stupid to mitigate disease transmission. I cant even imagine eating fast food right now...the same nasty minimum wage cooks that give folks hepatitis A during good times will prove to be modern day typhoid Marys for this bug.

The German cases are exactly what I have been waiting to see..this bug will run far and wide. I don't envision 50% die offs from direct infection..I do see social upheaval on a grand scale though. We are a month behind China, you are not in the clear yet! You will not want to go to a doctor or hospital unless you have major trauma.

Supply lines have been severed for a huge portion of the economy....first responders will be stretched way too thin, the local hoodrats will definitely get uppity, etc.

I would recommend spending your time on useful activities at this time, not wasting it....you very likely don't have much normalcy left. Go do something enjoyable with someone you love.
 

TerryK

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FoxBusiness reporting no new cases reported in last day in the US.
Also reporting that China has rejected US offers for any assistance/aid 3 times already.
Stock market has started to come back with a 250 point gain, but it has still not made up for losses.
 

northern watch

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Saša Petricic‏Verified account @sasapetricic 3h3 hours ago

Hong Kong to drastically reduce visitors from mainland China. Rail links, ferries to be stopped and flights from China reduced in effort to isolate territory from coronavirus epidemic. Individual tourist permits suspended. Leader Lam resists pressure to close border entirely #CBC
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Ozark, the MIAMI in the 2 student report is in Ohio.


That's Miami of Ohio. (named after the Little Miami River. South Central Ohio, Dayton way
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Does anyone know if bioweapons are chosen that mutate often or is it desirable to use one that rarely mutates?

A virus can mutate for 'free', so they do it readily. Mutations are frequently lethal, which is why reproduction generally has to be genetically accurate. If complex life forms have a high rate of mutations, very few will survive and the species will die. But a virus cranks out thousands of copies of itself, not one newborn at a time. If a virus bears a lethal mutation, its fellows won't even notice it's gone. So high mutation rates are favored, because at least a few of those will be adaptive, which is why we have new flu strains every year.
 

Capt. Eddie

Veteran Member
People let their social understanding cloud the scientific understanding of the issue of race.

Socially there are multiple races. Scientifically there is only ONE RACE … the human race.

It is like that gender nonsense that is so prevalent these days. People are going to believe what they want to believe but science says something else completely.
Not to derail the thread, but WTF. "Scientifically there is only ONE RACE … the human race." are you f@#&ing serious?

So you are saying that scientifically there is ZERO genetic difference between Scandinavians and Africans. I believe this is demonstrably FALSE. Whether a virus can be targeted to a specific race, I have no idea, but to say I am genetically the same as the African sitting next to me is COMPLETE BS.

Only one race, human. Yeah right.

ETA: Kathy in FL I find your posts generally to be of great value and you often have some great insights, I do not mean any offense to you. This one however sounds like it could have come straight for obama.
 
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raven

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A huge portion of our population is too stupid to mitigate disease transmission. I cant even imagine eating fast food right now...the same nasty minimum wage cooks that give folks hepatitis A during good times will prove to be modern day typhoid Marys for this bug.

The German cases are exactly what I have been waiting to see..this bug will run far and wide. I don't envision 50% die offs from direct infection..I do see social upheaval on a grand scale though. We are a month behind China, you are not in the clear yet! You will not want to go to a doctor or hospital unless you have major trauma.

Supply lines have been severed for a huge portion of the economy....first responders will be stretched way too thin, the local hoodrats will definitely get uppity, etc.

I would recommend spending your time on useful activities at this time, not wasting it....you very likely don't have much normalcy left. Go do something enjoyable with someone you love.
I was thinking along those lines. If this virus continues transmission for a year, there will likely be significant changes to culture.
In China, no more Bat Soup, no more exotic animals as food, no more wet markets.
The custom in Japan is to remove your shoes when you enter a home. I would expect some changes along those lines for visitors to home. Stuff like "do not touch my children", "stay out my kitchen", "bedrooms designated as clean rooms with decontamination booths prior to entyr"
 

northern watch

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EndGameWW3‏ @EndGameWW3 2m2 minutes ago

“We have already produced the vaccine, but it will take a long time to test on animals,” Yuen said, without giving a specific time frame on when it would be ready for patients.

EndGameWW3‏ @EndGameWW3 22s22 seconds ago

But he said it would take months to test the vaccine on animals and at least another year to conduct clinical trials on humans before it was fit for use.

EndGameWW3‏ @EndGameWW3 2m2 minutes ago

So a year to a year and a half before a vaccine is even ready to go. The best we can hope for is this burns itself out fast and doesn't mutate before a lot of people die. This is frightening. #Coronavirus
 
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Melodi

Disaster Cat
EndGameWW3‏ @EndGameWW3 2m2 minutes ago

“We have already produced the vaccine, but it will take a long time to test on animals,” Yuen said, without giving a specific time frame on when it would be ready for patients.

EndGameWW3‏ @EndGameWW3 22s22 seconds ago

But he said it would take months to test the vaccine on animals and at least another year to conduct clinical trials on humans before it was fit for use.
Translation: we will be using it, Subsaharan Africa, by this time next month, once the outbreak settles in there (maybe sooner).
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Not to derail the thread, but WTF. "Scientifically there is only ONE RACE … the human race." are you f@#&ing serious?

So you are saying that scientifically there is ZERO genetic difference between Scandinavians and Africans. I believe this is demonstrably FALSE. Whether a virus can be targeted to a specific race, I have no idea, but to say I am genetically the same as the African sitting next to me is COMPLETE BS.

Only one race, human. Yeah right.

EASY, Bro.

You missed the reclassification/sight realignment to use the term breeds instead of races.

No they are NOT playing PC Games.

EASY.


Next couple weeks er gonna be educational.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
I don't know where the video is from, but it looks like a gambling casino. The guy who posted it has a website in Afghanistan. See link:

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northern watch

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AS-Source News‏ @ASBreakingNews 59s59 seconds ago

#CoronaVirus- European countries are now reporting suspected cases. (GER &FRA Conf.) This is worrisome. For those who are not aware - #EU- there are NO borders. You travel, live, work freely- anywhere you want in the 28 countries. The spread could potentially be catastrophic
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summerthyme

Administrator
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Not to derail the thread, but WTF. "Scientifically there is only ONE RACE … the human race." are you f@#&ing serious?

So you are saying that scientifically there is ZERO genetic difference between Scandinavians and Africans. I believe this is demonstrably FALSE. Whether a virus can be targeted to a specific race, I have no idea, but to say I am genetically the same as the African sitting next to me is COMPLETE BS.

Only one race, human. Yeah right.

It is false. There are both genetic and observable physicsl differences between the races. That's just fact.

The problems with trying to design a bug to only target a certain race us that there has been a lot of mixing. I'm sure there are large areas in Africa and Asia where the majority of people are mostly pure "whatever" is the predominant race. But almost no American blacks are 100% negroid. And traces of "other " races are common in all populations. Releasing a "race targeting" bug is likely to have, um... unintended consequences.

Summerthyme
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
SO FAR the Stupor Bowl is safe for touristas. That'll be true for the next 37.32 seconds. And then we restart the clock.

The only issue with the SB LIV people might have is with someone else coming and bringing allong a few million cute purple blobs with crown.
 

Optimus Prime

Senior Member
Best friends eldest daughter is an Epidemiologist/Bio-Statistician for the Great State of TEXAS. He queried her on her/colleagues thoughts on the matter....
"Appears to not have high mortality rate but sure is spreading quick."
"When new virus pops up out of nowhere it likely originated as a virus in an animal and evolved."
"Agree with 2.7% mortality rate, not bad UNLESS I AM ONE OF THE 2.7%"
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Can we please get the thread back on track? All this navel gazing that it is race targeted is distracting..
I would like to explore it just a little further on this thread. I think there are real implications that are cogent to the discussion. If you'll allow me to get to a proper keyboard, I can express myself better than poking at my phone.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
#China está enviando a unos 6,000 médicos de todo el país a Wuhan para ayudar a tratar y contener el #coronavirus.
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Más de 100 personas han muerto y miles están infectadas en China

Translation:

#China is sending about 6,000 doctors across the country to Wuhan to help treat and contain the #coronavirus.


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CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Not to derail the thread, but WTF. "Scientifically there is only ONE RACE … the human race." are you f@#&ing serious?

So you are saying that scientifically there is ZERO genetic difference between Scandinavians and Africans. I believe this is demonstrably FALSE. Whether a virus can be targeted to a specific race, I have no idea, but to say I am genetically the same as the African sitting next to me is COMPLETE BS.

Only one race, human. Yeah right.

Absolutely serious!

For there to be different races, then there has to be different points of origin. Such has been proven scientifically, not Biblically, (ETA: However the Bible does support that, but you don't have to use the Bible for this) through mitochondrial DNA descended from the same woman. Hence one race.

Meaning blacks did not come from monkey's, Japanese from Giraffes, well maybe the wrestlers came from hippo's, etc.

When you look around you, like at an airport, and see people with different skin colors, eye color, hair color, eye design (like Japanese) hair design (straight, curly). You should understand that those are by products of DNA in the same race. Meaning when a group of people over 1000 of years live in a specific locale, and essentially inbreed, they will breed out non dominate strains of DNA.

While essential strands of DNA like 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 eyes, one mouth, and the X and Y Chromosome given by the father to produce a male or female are all the same in all flavors of the one race.

If this sounds strange to you, maybe you should consider taking up dog breeding. Same principal.
 
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