CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

raven

TB Fanatic
Even if we self quarantine, realistically, how many N95 masks do we need for a year's supply? How many will we need next year if this thing isn't brought under control? Sooner or later, we'll all find ourselves having to break our own quarantines to go out and restock our food supplies. I know for myself that I may be thinking in too short of terms about the virus. I try to plan ahead, but am still hoping that it's not as bad as the predictions are.

If you have not been exposed, and have isolated yourself, you are not quarantined. You are cloistered and you have no need for a mask because you have isolated yourself.

If you are self quarantined you need precisely zero masks of any kind because you are supposed to be quarantined.

Since you are planning on masks, you are admitting that you have no intention of self quarantine. Thank you for the warning.

You only need to self quarantine for 14 days after you have been exposed. If during that time, you develop the symptoms you don't need a mask because you no longer give a shit (realistically speaking) :hof:

~INTJ
 
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SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
If you have not been exposed, and have isolated yourself, you are not quarantined. You are cloistered and you have no need for a mask because you have isolated yourself.

If you are self quarantined you need precisely zero masks of any kind because you are supposed to be quarantined.

Since you are planning on masks, you are admitting that you have no intention of self quarantine. Thank you for the warning.

You only need to self quarantine for 14 days after you have been exposed. If during that time, you develop the symptoms you don't need a mask because you no longer give a shit (realistically speaking) :hof:

I'm sorry. You missed the whole intent of my post. Never mind! I don't have the time to explain it to you.
 
6 min ago
US secretary of state: "I think we all need to be mindful of the serious nature of the threat that is posed"
From CNN's Gregory Clary and Dominic Torres

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo speaking to reporters Sunday in Senegal said, “I think we all need to be mindful of the serious nature of the threat that is posed” by the spread of the coronavirus.

"[W]e are prepared to do everything that the United States can do to reduce the risk to populations," Pompeo said.
Pompeo added that he was especially concerned about countries “where there is not significant capable healthcare infrastructure. That presents a lot of risk and we are already doing our best.”

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Melodi

Disaster Cat
Not arguing but there is a slight misconception in that statement.

Antibiotics was invented in 1929, and was used widely by 1930. However, many to most people didn't seek out a doctor, until it was nearly to late to do anything about it. There are probably two reasons for that. 1) lack of knowledge of it's existence 2) money, after all it was during the height of the depression.

Just saying.
Not all of them were available to the public either - I had a friend in college (mature student) whose father had died towards the end of WWII, they died of something usually curable with antibiotics but they (the one he needed anyway) had not been approved for general use until about 6 months later.

By the time my Dad tried to enlist, I think about 1947 or 1948, they refused to believe he was allergic to penicillin and shot him up anyway, if a military doctor hadn't had an antidote right there, I wouldn't be here.

So it had gone from mostly experimental use to just shooting up young draftees and volunteers as part of the military physical exams (they didn't know back then about over-use and resistance) in about 5 years or less.
 

Terrwyn

Veteran Member
Not arguing but there is a slight misconception in that statement.

Antibiotics was invented in 1929, and was used widely by 1930. However, many to most people didn't seek out a doctor, until it was nearly to late to do anything about it. There are probably two reasons for that. 1) lack of knowledge of it's existence 2) money, after all it was during the height of the depression.

Just saying.
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When I was a young child our Dr. made house calls and you paid what you could. Lack of money never kept him from seeing a sick child or adult for that matter. I think my Mom said he charged 2 dollars
If you could afford it. How times change.
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
My advice Do not buy any food or drink from China


They disgust me with their inhumane practices and filth as it is, EVEN BEFORE this virus was tainting everything. I always check labels and refuse to buy their imported meat. I’m sure I’ve screwed up at times, but always check.

Sorry if I’ve offended anyone here with Asian descent. (Years ago I worked in a premiere sushi bar, here in town. I got a firsthand lookieloo at how they eat and act, including(!!!!) asking for live lobsters and LIVE things to eat while still squirming to get away. I threatened to walk out and we never again entertained such requests after that. By the way, we didn’t serve those business men their lobsters, live. Just vile.)
 
Japan confirms 6 new coronavirus cases not from the Diamond Princess cruise ship
From CNN’s Yoko Wakatsuki and Junko Ogura in Tokyo

Japan has identified six more positive cases of novel coronavirus not from the Diamond Princess cruise ship, the Ministry of Health, Labour, and Welfare announced.

That brings the total number of cases in Japan to 412, of which 356 are from the Diamond Princess and 56 are not.


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Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
There is very heavy censoring world wide about this new deadly virus. All governments coordinated to PREVENT PANIC.
Finding real info is increasingly difficult. But that no longer matters, because we know it's here, no true efforts were made to curtail it worldwide.
ELE
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2002/2002.03268.pdf
The Novel Coronavirus, 2019‐nCoV, is Highly Contagious and More Infectious Than Initially Estimated
The novel coronavirus (2019‐nCoV) is a recently emerged human pathogen that has spread widely since January 2020. Initially, the basic reproductive number, R0, was estimated to be 2.2 to 2.7. Here we provide a new estimate of this quantity. We collected extensive individual case reports and estimated key epidemiology parameters, including the incubation period. Integrating these estimates and high‐resolution real‐time human travel and infection data with mathematical models, we estimated that the number of infected individuals during early epidemic double every 2.4 days, and the R0 value is likely to be between 4.7 and 6.6. We further show that quarantine and contact tracing of symptomatic individuals alone may not be effective and early, strong control measures are needed to stop transmission of the virus.

Los Alamos National Laboratory

Prepare to transition to the astral world. Get your affairs in order now. Make all your paperwork simple, obvious and accessible. Tell your loved ones about your love for them.
 

TorahTips

Membership Revoked
My advice Do not buy any food or drink from China

I'm going to the store today. If I see the manager I'm going to ask him if he can post country of origin info for as many products as he knows. I'm sure he will likely decline. He lets the homeless eat from the hot bar with their bare hands (including lickiing their fingers before they go back for more). He's food service negligent.
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'm going to the store today. If I see the manager I'm going to ask him if he can post country of origin info for as many products as he knows. I'm sure he will likely decline. He lets the homeless eat from the hot bar with their bare hands (including lickiing their fingers before they go back for more). He's food service negligent.

Good Lord how gross!!!

He should be shut down from the Board of Health.
 

Squid

Veteran Member
Took a minute from self obsessed doomer concerns and thought about the people in Wuhan.

They are sick are probably knows someone who is sick. They have been turned away from hospitals after waiting hours in line with other people sick only to told hospital us full or no testing available go home.

They have seen people drop dead and the vans driving away bodies.

They have seen people kicking and screaming dragged away to wherever.

They are told only one person may go out and now nobody can.

The local committee of party thugs many (think if the seething unpopular kid) loving their new power now can lock you in your home lock you in your apartment and whatever you need to survive you have to get from them. Now they roam the streets empowered by the government to do whatever they want to protect the state. Maybe they don’t like you and ‘forget’ to give you rice or make you pay for it with something of value or some favor.

And as things get worse and you are locked and isolated information is blocked to protect the CCP.

Since there are still new infections in reality the quarantine clock for these cities should be resetting back to zero for another 30 or so days.

I saw a video from China showing what looked like a hospital putting the bodies of 3 children into a single body bag.

Wuhan is a human tragedy of suffering and sorrow that was made infinitely worse by a centralized form of government that many clueless leftists want to bring here.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Took a minute from self obsessed doomer concerns and thought about the people in Wuhan.

They are sick are probably knows someone who is sick. They have been turned away from hospitals after waiting hours in line with other people sick only to told hospital us full or no testing available go home.

They have seen people drop dead and the vans driving away bodies.

They have seen people kicking and screaming dragged away to wherever.

They are told only one person may go out and now nobody can.

The local committee of party thugs many (think if the seething unpopular kid) loving their new power now can lock you in your home lock you in your apartment and whatever you need to survive you have to get from them. Now they roam the streets empowered by the government to do whatever they want to protect the state. Maybe they don’t like you and ‘forget’ to give you rice or make you pay for it with something of value or some favor.

And as things get worse and you are locked and isolated information is blocked to protect the CCP.

Since there are still new infections in reality the quarantine clock for these cities should be resetting back to zero for another 30 or so days.

I saw a video from China showing what looked like a hospital putting the bodies of 3 children into a single body bag.

Wuhan is a human tragedy of suffering and sorrow that was made infinitely worse by a centralized form of government that many clueless leftists want to bring here.

Absolutely true. Regardless of how Godless and heartless their government is, there are thousands of families mourning lost loved ones, and millions who are living in fear and terror... not just of a deadly virus, but of their own government overreach. And they have no access to information, as they have pretty well shut down (or heavily censored) the 'net, etc...

I'd imagine their rumor mill is working overtime, which is probably only making things worse..

Summerthyme
 

teneo

Always looking for details I may have missed.
Just curious... How many on this thread got a flu shot this year?

I had it in late 2019. As I did for the last 35-40 years. Have also had the pneumonia vaccination and shingles (Shingrix) vax as well. I'm still here and no ill effects noted. But I'm also making a batch of Summerthyme's elderberry syrup this weekend too. It tastes great and can't hurt.
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
Question for rondaben ….

The Chinese are claiming that they're curing patients in critical "near death" condition now by administering plasma from previously recovered Covid-19 patients.

Ok, that's a valid method that might work....
However, I seem to recall from my university days (back in the dark ages) that RNA virus replication is error prone, meaning there's going to be substantial amount of mutation going on from patient #1 onwards.

So, plasma taken from patient #53 (for example) with antibodies against that particular strain might have little to no effect on the evolved virus presented in a patient further along the evolutionary chain. Am I right, or wrong about this?
Sorry for the delay in the response!

The use of "convalescent plasma" as a treatment was first used in the 1970s for ebola. They used it this last time as well when the Dr. from Texas that recovered provided plasma for others. I think that this could be of marginal use but it presents other problems as well.

1) the plasma has to be type specific. Type O can only get plasma from type O. Those who are type AB can give to anyone, etc.
2) It is less processed and remaining virus particles or other infectious diseases (hepatitis, HIV, etc) can be transmitted. There will need to be extensive testing on those patients to make sure that it is safe to give.
3) There is no standardized concentration of beneficial antibodies. Patient X may have a higher antibody content than Patient Y so there cannot be any real standardization of how much antibody you get.
4) we have other products that may be effective and safer--IVIG for example.

I do think that this mostly to provide hope. Its not a bad Idea, but I doubt we have enough information to know how effective or safe it would be.
 

Tarryn

Senior Member
Dozens Of Travelers From China Are In Self-Monitoring For Exposure To Coronavirus

Dozens Of Travelers From China Are In Self-Monitoring For Exposure To Coronavirus
BY
Ryan Van Velzer @RyanVanVelzer
FEBRUARY 13, 2020 1:02 PM
Dozens Of Travelers From China Are In Self-Monitoring For Exposure To Coronavirus


This post has been updated.
About 71 people in Kentucky are self-monitoring for symptoms of the novel coronavirus after returning from trips to mainland China, according to the Kentucky Cabinet for Health and Family Services.
There are no confirmed cases of the novel coronavirus in Kentucky. One healthcare worker was in contact with someone who tested positive for the virus in another state, but was cleared after a 14-day monitoring period, said Doug Thoroughman, acting state epidemiologist.
“I think in Kentucky people should feel relatively safe right now. We don’t have any [novel] coronavirus in Kentucky and no threat of it we are aware of,” Thoroughman said.
Fourteen people in the United States have so far tested positive for the virus the World Health Organization has named COVID-19, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The virus is a respiratory illness whose symptoms include fever, cough and shortness of breath. The CDC believes symptoms may appear between two and 14 days after exposure to the virus.
Currently, 41 states and territories have a total of 427 people under investigation for showing symptoms or having traveled to specific places in China, according to the CDC. No one in Kentucky is currently considered to be under “investigation,” he said.
Kentucky has so far not prepared any quarantine sites, but is prepared to do so if necessary. In the meantime, Thoroughman said people should be more worried about contracting the flu.
“We’re at 49 deaths this flu season and over 15,000 cases of flu so that’s really what’s happening in Kentucky right now rather than the novel coronavirus,” he said.
Expanded Monitoring
The Louisville Metro Department of Public Health and Wellness reported about 50 people in Jefferson County who are self-monitoring for the virus. People are also self-monitoring in Lexington, Northern Kentucky and several other counties.
Communicable disease epidemiologist Rui Zhao with Louisville’s health department equated local measures to preparing for a natural disaster.
“If we know a hurricane is going to hit an area, we don’t wait for the hurricane to show up before we starting putting up all the sandbags,” Zhao said.
Those under the 14-day self-monitoring period have signed an agreement with the Kentucky Cabinet for Health and Family Services that restricts movement. Once a day, they’re required to text, call or email their temperatures to monitor for signs of fever.
The monitoring period is not a quarantine, which is enforced through a court order, but violators could “theoretically” be put in jail for violating the terms of the agreement.
The presidential proclamation released January 31 limited who can enter the U.S. within 14 days of visiting China. If eligible travelers are not showing symptoms and are not from the Hubei province where the virus originated, they are allowed to travel to their home state.
“And that’s when it comes over to the state and local health departments to handle that,” Thoroughman said.
Those under monitoring include business people, university students and U.S. citizens who were travelling in China, he said.
The closest confirmed cases of the virus are in Illinois, where a man in his 60’s contracted the virus from his spouse. It was the first person to person spread of the virus in the U.S.
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported Tuesday that 200 Georgia residents are quarantined in their homes after returning from trips to China. The Chicago Tribune has reported on an Indiana family who have voluntarily quarantined themselves after returning from China last month.
As of Thursday, the World Health Organization is reporting 45,171 cases of the virus, the vast majority of which are in China. Outside of China, 24 countries are reporting 441 cases and one death.
The CDC is conducting enhanced screening for people entering the country at certain airports while enhancing capacity at 20 ports of entry with CDC medical screening stations.
Louisville Preparations
Louisville Muhammad Ali International Airport is not engaging in enhanced screening measures because it’s not a primary port of entry, said Paul Kern, public health preparedness administrator.
Kern said the Louisville department of public health is meeting weekly to communicate news on the virus, and is talking with healthcare providers and the airport.
In Louisville, There is a disease outbreak support plan in place to manage any number of communicable diseases such as the Hepatitis A outbreak in 2018. The city also stores a fleet of 10 trailers stocked with supplies inside the Louisville Mega Cavern, including gloves, masks and surgical splash shields, he said.
“We’re always prepared to take on public health emergencies that occur within the metro area,” Kern said adding, “The best prevention is to wash your hands with soap and water.”
Both state and local health departments have fielded calls mistaking the virus for the common cold, which is also a coronavirus.
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
If you have not been exposed, and have isolated yourself, you are not quarantined. You are cloistered and you have no need for a mask because you have isolated yourself.

If you are self quarantined you need precisely zero masks of any kind because you are supposed to be quarantined.

Since you are planning on masks, you are admitting that you have no intention of self quarantine. Thank you for the warning.

You only need to self quarantine for 14 days after you have been exposed. If during that time, you develop the symptoms you don't need a mask because you no longer give a shit (realistically speaking) :hof:

~INTJ
You know the definitions, and we know the definitions. None of that matters, because our local, state, and federal decision makers DON'T know the definitions.

Our government is formed by the process of: "Those least equipped to decide, electing those least qualified to lead." Our current leadership, across the country, appears to think that the simple act of bestowing the WORD "Quarantine" upon someone, magically disinfects them... I have yet to see a genuine example of quarantine here in the USA.

The CDC and HHS are political organizations that are far too concerned about their comfy chairs and corner offices, and, how to smear DJT with this bug, to bother with actually implementing time-tested infection controls. They WILL NOT address this pandemic properly - if anything, they will do all in their power to use it as a platform to increase their power and wealth.

This bug is going to go through the USA like crap through a goose; our leaders at all levels, and our entitled fellow citizens guarantee that. It is already here. It is spreading. The time for effective action was over a month ago. And, unless you have already buttoned-up for a six-month (plus) stint of total isolation, you may already have been exposed - you won't know for two or three weeks after your last human interaction (including the mail and amazon packages on your doorstep)... No amount of semantics is going to change any of that.

For the most part, ALL of our lives are a crap-shoot from this point forward. Most of us, due to monthly bills and the threat of civil penalty, will continue to go to work and send our kids to school. There will come a point (far too late) when .gov suspends the systemic penalties, and directs us to stay at home - THAT is when we find out who is lucky, and who is dead... Things go downhill from there.
 
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20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Sorry for the delay in the response!

The use of "convalescent plasma" as a treatment was first used in the 1970s for ebola. They used it this last time as well when the Dr. from Texas that recovered provided plasma for others. I think that this could be of marginal use but it presents other problems as well.

1) the plasma has to be type specific. Type O can only get plasma from type O. Those who are type AB can give to anyone, etc.
2) It is less processed and remaining virus particles or other infectious diseases (hepatitis, HIV, etc) can be transmitted. There will need to be extensive testing on those patients to make sure that it is safe to give.
3) There is no standardized concentration of beneficial antibodies. Patient X may have a higher antibody content than Patient Y so there cannot be any real standardization of how much antibody you get.
4) we have other products that may be effective and safer--IVIG for example.

I do think that this mostly to provide hope. Its not a bad Idea, but I doubt we have enough information to know how effective or safe it would be.
So we become vampires and drain the blood of those who survive to create more survivors....??
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I had it in late 2019. As I did for the last 35-40 years. Have also had the pneumonia vaccination and shingles (Shingrix) vax as well. I'm still here and no ill effects noted. But I'm also making a batch of Summerthyme's elderberry syrup this weekend too. It tastes great and can't hurt.

Same here. Got the flu shot, the pneumovax vaccine and the shingles shot. But the flu shot this year is like one from a few years back-it's a soup of different flu strains but not the ones that are currently active. Flu shots are essentially a crap shoot in terms of effectiveness. But no ill effects here either, and I'd rather have gotten them than not.

I feel for the people in Wuhan. They are locked down, in a area where the coronavirus is rampant, and they are restricted in movement and little access to information. Social media is either monitored or censored, and the ChiCom party is tightly controlling the flow of info. Those folks are scared to death and dropping like flies.

I find it interesting the death tolls from coronavirus in different numbers has started to accelerate this past week. This stuff isn't going to burn out with the coming of hot weather. Rather, it will remain active, maybe at a slower rate but when fall comes the stuff will ramp back up with a vengeance. Like the Spanish flu of 1918, one round light, one round heavy, one round light etc. This stuff ain't going anywhere.
 

rlm1966

Veteran Member
Just curious... How many on this thread got a flu shot this year?
Not I but then I never do.

First I have this very weird fear of needles that I have had since before I can remember, parents told me about when it was time for my vaccines as a child they would roll in several nurses, the doctor and a parent to hold me down because I wasn't having any of it. Now days you have to explain to me how it will help, why can't I get it in a pill and worst case if I refuse. Stupid I know, but we all have our quirks.

Second and deciding factor is that taking the shot doesn't always work as you are counting on the best guess of a bunch of quacks and pharmaceutical companies as to which version of the flu will be around that year and if they are wrong it was all for nothing. Only once in 50+ years have I ever caught the flu/walking pneumonia so until they can go from guessing to actually knowing I think I will pass on the flu shot. Maybe as I get older I will just wait until we can see what flu is out and about vs what vaccine is available and if they match up suck it up and get one, but for now I will pass.

All that being said, if/when they develop a vaccine for this little bugger, after it has been used and shown to work and not have negative side effects, I would probably get this one.
 

cyberiot

Rimtas žmogus
Just curious... How many on this thread got a flu shot this year?
I did, as I do every year, at the earliest opportunity. It's a personal choice--nothing more, nothing less. Got in the habit years ago when MIL developed issues and couldn't tolerate it. Close family got vaccinated to form a ring of protection around her. (She passed at age 99+, healthy but worn out.) The only less-than-stellar reaction I've had is the year I got FluMist instead of the regular shot. Won't make that error again.

Sturdy peasant stock here. What doesn't kill me, makes me stronger. YMMV, and all that.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
we estimated that the number of infected individuals during early epidemic double every 2.4 days, and the R0 value is likely to be between 4.7 and 6.6. We further show that quarantine and contact tracing of symptomatic individuals alone may not be effective and early, strong control measures are needed to stop

If that RO value is accurate, you need not bother prepping because you may be the only survivor. .
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yeah... CaryC is misremembering...

From wiki ..


Summerthyme


Under timeline Antibodies:

This is the timeline of antimicrobial (anti-infective) therapy. The years show when a given drug was released onto the pharmaceutical market. This is not a timeline of the development of the antibiotics themselves.


 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
I find it interesting the death tolls from coronavirus in different numbers has started to accelerate this past week. This stuff isn't going to burn out with the coming of hot weather. Rather, it will remain active, maybe at a slower rate but when fall comes the stuff will ramp back up with a vengeance. Like the Spanish flu of 1918, one round light, one round heavy, one round light etc. This stuff ain't going anywhere.

Considering the fact that it is already spreading at full speed in tropical locations, no, it's not going to burn out in the Spring or Summer. Whoever told that to the President needs to be punched in the face with a sledge hammer.
 

vestige

Deceased
You know the definitions, and we know the definitions. None of that matters, because our local, state, and federal decision makers DON'T know the definitions.

Our government is formed by the process of: "Those least equipped to decide, electing those least qualified to lead." Our current leadership, across the country, appears to think that the simple act of bestowing the WORD "Quarantine" upon someone, magically disinfects them... I have yet to see a genuine example of quarantine here in the USA.

The CDC and HHS are political organizations that are far too concerned about their comfy chairs and corner offices, and, how to smear DJT with this bug, to bother with actually implementing time-tested infection controls. They WILL NOT address this pandemic properly - if anything, they will do all in their power to use it as a platform to increase their power and wealth.

This bug is going to go through the USA like crap through a goose; our leaders at all levels, and our entitled fellow citizens guarantee that. It is already here. It is spreading. The time for effective action was over a month ago. And, unless you have already buttoned-up for a six-month (plus) stint of total isolation, you may already have been exposed - you won't know for two or three weeks after your last human interaction (including the mail and amazon packages on your doorstep)... No amount of semantics is going to change any of that.

For the most part, ALL of our lives are a crap-shoot from this point forward. Most of us, due to monthly bills and the threat of civil penalty, will continue to go to work and send our kids to school. There will come a point (far too late) when .gov suspends the systemic penalties, and directs us to stay at home - THAT is when we find out who is lucky, and who is dead... Things go downhill from there.


IMO the above is an extremely good analysis of what we face here in CONUS.
 

Tarryn

Senior Member
San Antonio airbase to receive more Coronavirus evacuees, Department of Defense says | FOX 7 Austin

San Antonio airbase to receive more Coronavirus evacuees, Department of Defense says
By Matthew Quick and KSAT
Published 11 mins ago
FOX 7 Austin
AUSTIN, Texas - Joint Base San Antonio Lackland officials say they are ready to receive an evacuation flight from the Diamond Princess cruise ship, carrying quarantined passengers, according to Department of Defense officials.
Another flight will head to Travis Air Force Base in California, as announced Sunday morning. The flights are currently docked in Tokyo.

"One of the aircraft will land at Travis Air Force Base, California and the other will land at Kelly Field / Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland, Texas," the DOD said in an email.
Officials with Health and Human Services, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Department of Defense announced the passengers will be subject to a managed 14-day quarantine.

HHS says no evacuated personnel will be transferred to any DOD installation if they test positive for the novel coronavirus.

Anyone that tests positive or becomes symptomatic will be transferred to an off-base facility regulated by the CDC, according to officials.
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
Saw a video a billion pages back that isopropyl alcohol bottles are going for over $100.00 in China...

There is probably a reason... I'll go with the higher concentrate until definitive proof that this is just another run-of-the mill virus that reacts like everything you would learn about in nursing school.

For me... I'm assuming it is a bio-weapon, at this point

:groucho:

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bw

Fringe Ranger
Just curious... How many on this thread got a flu shot this year?

Stopped doing flu. Crap shoot with too many bad reports.

Got the shingles vacs, other normal stuff. Just not flu. Haven't had flu in 40 years, near as I recall.
 

twobarkingdogs

Veteran Member
You only need to self quarantine for 14 days after you have been exposed. If during that time, you develop the symptoms you don't need a mask because you no longer give a shit (realistically speaking) :hof:

I have told the few people who I plan to allow to bug out to my location to plan on being isolated for 1 month if they come here. Luckily they are single adults and we have had discussions on how we plan on doing that in my home.

I have also told them to not bring any fresh food as I am not sure how to keep it separate or to sanitize it prior to putting it into the frig or freezer. Boxed and canned food can be left in the vehicles for a month or so to hopefully have the virus burn itself out

I also will have a separate washer and clothes line set up for them so as they can do laundry without exposing my stuff to theirs. I got lucky on the washer as when I moved here I took all of the appliances from the house I sold and they have just been stored in the basement.

Anyway the plan for the isolated folks is that things will be given to them but nothing comes back from them to me. So lots of paper plates, etc have been acquired. Basically no physical contact with anything outside of quarantine by the folks in isolation

tbd
 
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