Craftypatches
Veteran Member
I agree everything is hush hush until it’s too late! They want the economy booming as usual! Nothing to see here folks, move along!
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Trivium Pursuit
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Did a little math on this. Not counting the cruise ship, which I count as a totally unrepresentative petri dish, I find that cases outside of China (and by outside, I mean outside of HK, Macao and Taiwan), are currently 0.00477 of the total, which is to say, just less than 1/2 of 1%. And that's with using the abnormally underrepored Chinese figures. So using that 200k figure above, that would bring cases outside of China to 954 for March 1st. If we remain at the same 0.00477 percentage, that is.
It has, after all, got loose in Delhi with 17 cases, and it will explode there...
Trivium Pursuit
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Or medicinal Herbs.
northern watch
TB Fanatic
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Now running for Emperor.
Comedy GOLD, if it wasn't so tragic:
It's like they're TRYING to get people infected.
www.theguardian.com
Kipling:
“The Gods of the Copybook Headings”
It's like they're TRYING to get people infected.
Coronavirus: UK headteachers told to stay calm and keep schools open
Public health advisers will send out new virus guidelines this week
www.theguardian.com
Kipling:
“The Gods of the Copybook Headings”
- As I pass through my incarnations in every age and race,
- I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market-Place.
- Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
- And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.
- We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
- That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
- But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
- So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.
- We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
- Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market-Place;
- But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
- That a tribe had been wiped off its ice-field, or the lights had gone out in Rome.
- With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch.
- They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch.
- They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings.
- So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.
- When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
- They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
- But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
- And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “Stick to the Devil you know.”
- On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
- (Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
- Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
- And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “The Wages of Sin is Death.”
- In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
- By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
- But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
- And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “If you don’t work you die.”
- Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew,
- And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
- That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four—
- And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.
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bw
Fringe Ranger
There are anywhere from 3M to 100M in China, IMO. You don't lock down half a billion people for 200k cases and a thousand deaths.
Trivium Pursuit
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have no choice, I have to get it every year if I want to work at a hospital. I can tell you that I asked an RN here recently how effective she thought this year's crapshoot was, in terms of guessing correctly which strain to make the vaccine for.
She said "Somewhat, but there seems to be a second strain now that it's not as good against."
Melodi
Disaster Cat
As a matter of personal choice, I get the flu shot most years and I had a repeat of the MMR before going to Seattle last year in the face of a mumps epidemic.
I don't expect either of these to have much effect on Corona-Chan, though the MMR might help prevent secondary bacterial infection if it was the same bug as vaccinated against.
I think the Powers that Be are just telling people to get "get flu shots" because they want to feel like they are "doing something" and/or it is just something they are supposed to pound into people every year (even though it is now past the season where most people can even get them, depending on where you live).
If a vaccine for the new Corona Virus is found, I will decide at that point to take it or not - for everyone, this has to be an individual decision for themselves and their families, I'm not going to argue or demand that anyone take a particular action on this topic.
I don't expect either of these to have much effect on Corona-Chan, though the MMR might help prevent secondary bacterial infection if it was the same bug as vaccinated against.
I think the Powers that Be are just telling people to get "get flu shots" because they want to feel like they are "doing something" and/or it is just something they are supposed to pound into people every year (even though it is now past the season where most people can even get them, depending on where you live).
If a vaccine for the new Corona Virus is found, I will decide at that point to take it or not - for everyone, this has to be an individual decision for themselves and their families, I'm not going to argue or demand that anyone take a particular action on this topic.
Seeker22
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Three Emerging Coronaviruses in Two Decades: The Story of SARS, MERS, and Now COVID-19
Jeannette Guarner, MD
American Journal of Clinical Pathology, aqaa029, Three Emerging Coronaviruses in Two Decades: The Story of SARS, MERS, and Now COVID-19
Published: 13 February 2020
PDF
In the past two decades, the world has seen three coronaviruses emerge and cause outbreaks that have caused considerable global health consternation. Coronaviruses are enveloped, nonsegmented, single-stranded, positive-sense RNA viruses that have a characteristic appearance on electron microscopy negative staining Image 1. As a matter of fact, the characteristic electron microscopy appearance was the clue to amplify and sequence nucleic acids from Dr Urbani’s (one of the health care providers who died of severe acute respiratory syndrome [SARS] in 2003) respiratory specimen using a consensus coronavirus primer.1 The sequence of the virus was significantly different from other coronaviruses known to cause human disease at the time. The virus was ultimately named SARS-CoV, as febrile patients had severe acute respiratory syndrome and could present with pneumonia and lower respiratory symptoms such as cough and dyspnea.2 The SARS-CoV outbreak started in Guangdong, China, and spread to many countries in Southeast Asia, North America, Europe, and South Africa. Transmission was primarily person to person through droplets that occurred during coughing or sneezing, through personal contact (shaking hands), or by touching contaminated surfaces. Of note, health professionals were particularly at risk of acquiring the disease, as transmission also occurred if isolation precautions were not followed and during certain procedures. The last case of SARS-CoV occurred in September 2003, after having infected over 8,000 persons and causing 774 deaths with a case fatality rate calculated at 9.5%.
Image 1
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Electron microscopy photograph of negative stain of a coronavirus (image from the Public Health Image Library).
Nine years later, a new coronavirus that causes respiratory disease appeared in the Middle East, thus the name of MERS-CoV. Symptoms of MERS-CoV are nonspecific, but many patients end up with severe acute respiratory distress. In these patients, travel history is imperative, as all cases have been linked to persons in or near the Arabian Peninsula. Similar to SARS-CoV, health professionals are at higher risk of acquiring the disease, as demonstrated in the outbreak in South Korea.3 However, in comparison with SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV is still circulating, and the case fatality rate is much higher (around 35%). What has allowed control of MERS-CoV is a low R0 (approximately 1), meaning each person with the disease transmits it to only one other person (the SARS-CoV R0 was of approximately 4).
In December 30, 2019, a cluster of patients with pneumonia of unknown etiology was observed in Wuhan, China, and reported to the World Health Organization (WHO) China bureau in Beijing. A week later, January 7, 2020, a new coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) was isolated from these patients. This virus was initially referred to as novel coronavirus 2019 (2019-nCoV) but was given the official name of COVID-19 by the WHO on February 11, 2020. This new virus has infected more people than either of its two predecessors. Several factors have allowed the rapid spread of this virus: Wuhan is the capital of China’s Hubei province, with over 11,000,000 inhabitants, and it is a major transportation hub, which increases person-to-person contact and adds to the possibility of exporting cases to other locations. At this point, the R0 is calculated between 2 and 3.5, indicating that one patient can transmit the disease to two to three other people. Patients with the COVID-19 infection proven by polymerase chain reaction have been an average age of 55 years (cases in children seem to be rare).4 They present with fever, dry cough, and shortness of breath and, in the most severe cases, have pneumonia. The case fatality rate is around 2% to 3%. SARS-CoV-2 will cause many more deaths than its predecessors, even though the mortality rate is lower than MERS-CoV infections, because there have been so many more cases. Chinese authorities have taken the global threat very seriously, and the containment measures have been unprecedented (closing airports, train stations, and roads to Wuhan; building hospitals in record time). However, cases with SARS-CoV-2 are already being reported in many countries, including the United States.
The question of how to approach these patients for diagnosis and treatment is pressing. For patients in the United States, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is continuously updating information and has instructions on who to test and the workflow to follow regarding specimen handling.5 In brief, testing for SARS-CoV-2 needs to be sent to the state laboratory after consultation with it regarding patient clinical characteristics, the specimens it will receive, and packaging of the sample using shipping regulations for category B agents. Other tests, such as CBC count, chemistries, and microbiology (including molecular testing for other respiratory viruses), can be handled using universal precautions (face protection, gloves, and disposable gowns) in hospital laboratories, so as not to delay other necessary treatment. It should be noted that although some multiplex molecular panels include primers for SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV, and other coronaviruses responsible for upper respiratory infections (HcoV 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1), they do not detect COVID-19. The CDC is advising not to perform viral cultures in patients under investigation for either MERS-CoV or SARS-CoV-2. The WHO also has a webpage with guidance regarding multiple aspects, including surveillance, patient management, and laboratory testing specific for SARS-CoV-2.6 Once a patient has been defined as infected with SARS-CoV-2, he or she should be treated, taking into consideration airborne and contact precautions. Most of the measures are symptomatic, although some antiviral medications have been used.
Last, at this point, reports of autopsies or lung tissue samples of patients with SARS-CoV-2 have not been published. However, based on imaging studies and what we know of SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, patients with the most severe disease will likely show diffuse alveolar damage with hyaline membrane formation, inflammation in the alveolar walls, desquamation of pneumocytes, and, if the case is complicated by a secondary bacterial pneumonia, intra-alveolar inflammatory infiltrate by neutrophils. Any other specific features, such as multinucleated cells or potential viral inclusions, remain to be discovered through pathologic studies of patients with this new virus.
In summary, the story of SARS-CoV-2 continues to evolve. Because SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV have had different behaviors, SARS-CoV-2 will likely have unique features of its own that we will learn as the outbreak progresses.
References
1. Ksiazek TG, Erdman D, Goldsmith CS, et al.;
SARS Working Group. A novel coronavirus associated with severe acute respiratory syndrome.
N Engl J Med. 2003; 348:1953-1966.
Google Scholar Crossref PubMed
2. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). Last reviewed 2005. SARS | Guidance | Revised CSTE Surveillance Case Definition | CDC. Accessed February 3, 2020.
3. Hui DS, Azhar EI, Kim YJ, et al.
Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus: risk factors and determinants of primary, household, and nosocomial transmission.
Lancet Infect Dis. 2018; 18: e217-e227.
Google Scholar Crossref PubMed
4. Chen N, Zhou M, Dong X, et al.
Epidemiological and clinical characteristics of 99 cases of 2019 novel coronavirus pneumonia in Wuhan, China: a descriptive study [published online January 30, 2020].Lancet.
5. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Interim guidelines for collecting, handling, and testing clinical specimens from patients under investigation (PUIs) for 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). 2020. 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV). Accessed February 3, 2020.
6. World Health Organization. Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) technical guidance. 2020. Technical guidance. Accessed
February 3, 2020.
© American Society for Clinical Pathology, 2020. All rights reserved. For permissions, please e-mail: journals.permissions@oup.com
This article is published and distributed under the terms of the Oxford University Press, Standard Journals Publication Model (Standard Publication Reuse Rights)
Three Emerging Coronaviruses in Two Decades: The Story of SARS, MERS, and Now COVID-19
***another one from same source***
YOU WILL NEED TO DOWNLOAD THE .PDF FOR THIS ONE
The reproductive number of COVID-19 is higher compared to SARS coronavirus
Ying Liu, Albert A Gayle, Annelies Wilder-Smith, Joacim Rocklöv
Journal of Travel Medicine, taaa021, reproductive number of COVID-19 is higher compared to SARS coronavirus
Published: 13 February 2020
PDF
Abstract
coronavirus
Research letter
academic.oup.com
Jeannette Guarner, MD
American Journal of Clinical Pathology, aqaa029, Three Emerging Coronaviruses in Two Decades: The Story of SARS, MERS, and Now COVID-19
Published: 13 February 2020
PDFIn the past two decades, the world has seen three coronaviruses emerge and cause outbreaks that have caused considerable global health consternation. Coronaviruses are enveloped, nonsegmented, single-stranded, positive-sense RNA viruses that have a characteristic appearance on electron microscopy negative staining Image 1. As a matter of fact, the characteristic electron microscopy appearance was the clue to amplify and sequence nucleic acids from Dr Urbani’s (one of the health care providers who died of severe acute respiratory syndrome [SARS] in 2003) respiratory specimen using a consensus coronavirus primer.1 The sequence of the virus was significantly different from other coronaviruses known to cause human disease at the time. The virus was ultimately named SARS-CoV, as febrile patients had severe acute respiratory syndrome and could present with pneumonia and lower respiratory symptoms such as cough and dyspnea.2 The SARS-CoV outbreak started in Guangdong, China, and spread to many countries in Southeast Asia, North America, Europe, and South Africa. Transmission was primarily person to person through droplets that occurred during coughing or sneezing, through personal contact (shaking hands), or by touching contaminated surfaces. Of note, health professionals were particularly at risk of acquiring the disease, as transmission also occurred if isolation precautions were not followed and during certain procedures. The last case of SARS-CoV occurred in September 2003, after having infected over 8,000 persons and causing 774 deaths with a case fatality rate calculated at 9.5%.
Image 1
Open in new tab Download slide
Electron microscopy photograph of negative stain of a coronavirus (image from the Public Health Image Library).
Nine years later, a new coronavirus that causes respiratory disease appeared in the Middle East, thus the name of MERS-CoV. Symptoms of MERS-CoV are nonspecific, but many patients end up with severe acute respiratory distress. In these patients, travel history is imperative, as all cases have been linked to persons in or near the Arabian Peninsula. Similar to SARS-CoV, health professionals are at higher risk of acquiring the disease, as demonstrated in the outbreak in South Korea.3 However, in comparison with SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV is still circulating, and the case fatality rate is much higher (around 35%). What has allowed control of MERS-CoV is a low R0 (approximately 1), meaning each person with the disease transmits it to only one other person (the SARS-CoV R0 was of approximately 4).
In December 30, 2019, a cluster of patients with pneumonia of unknown etiology was observed in Wuhan, China, and reported to the World Health Organization (WHO) China bureau in Beijing. A week later, January 7, 2020, a new coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) was isolated from these patients. This virus was initially referred to as novel coronavirus 2019 (2019-nCoV) but was given the official name of COVID-19 by the WHO on February 11, 2020. This new virus has infected more people than either of its two predecessors. Several factors have allowed the rapid spread of this virus: Wuhan is the capital of China’s Hubei province, with over 11,000,000 inhabitants, and it is a major transportation hub, which increases person-to-person contact and adds to the possibility of exporting cases to other locations. At this point, the R0 is calculated between 2 and 3.5, indicating that one patient can transmit the disease to two to three other people. Patients with the COVID-19 infection proven by polymerase chain reaction have been an average age of 55 years (cases in children seem to be rare).4 They present with fever, dry cough, and shortness of breath and, in the most severe cases, have pneumonia. The case fatality rate is around 2% to 3%. SARS-CoV-2 will cause many more deaths than its predecessors, even though the mortality rate is lower than MERS-CoV infections, because there have been so many more cases. Chinese authorities have taken the global threat very seriously, and the containment measures have been unprecedented (closing airports, train stations, and roads to Wuhan; building hospitals in record time). However, cases with SARS-CoV-2 are already being reported in many countries, including the United States.
The question of how to approach these patients for diagnosis and treatment is pressing. For patients in the United States, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is continuously updating information and has instructions on who to test and the workflow to follow regarding specimen handling.5 In brief, testing for SARS-CoV-2 needs to be sent to the state laboratory after consultation with it regarding patient clinical characteristics, the specimens it will receive, and packaging of the sample using shipping regulations for category B agents. Other tests, such as CBC count, chemistries, and microbiology (including molecular testing for other respiratory viruses), can be handled using universal precautions (face protection, gloves, and disposable gowns) in hospital laboratories, so as not to delay other necessary treatment. It should be noted that although some multiplex molecular panels include primers for SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV, and other coronaviruses responsible for upper respiratory infections (HcoV 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1), they do not detect COVID-19. The CDC is advising not to perform viral cultures in patients under investigation for either MERS-CoV or SARS-CoV-2. The WHO also has a webpage with guidance regarding multiple aspects, including surveillance, patient management, and laboratory testing specific for SARS-CoV-2.6 Once a patient has been defined as infected with SARS-CoV-2, he or she should be treated, taking into consideration airborne and contact precautions. Most of the measures are symptomatic, although some antiviral medications have been used.
Last, at this point, reports of autopsies or lung tissue samples of patients with SARS-CoV-2 have not been published. However, based on imaging studies and what we know of SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, patients with the most severe disease will likely show diffuse alveolar damage with hyaline membrane formation, inflammation in the alveolar walls, desquamation of pneumocytes, and, if the case is complicated by a secondary bacterial pneumonia, intra-alveolar inflammatory infiltrate by neutrophils. Any other specific features, such as multinucleated cells or potential viral inclusions, remain to be discovered through pathologic studies of patients with this new virus.
In summary, the story of SARS-CoV-2 continues to evolve. Because SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV have had different behaviors, SARS-CoV-2 will likely have unique features of its own that we will learn as the outbreak progresses.
References
1. Ksiazek TG, Erdman D, Goldsmith CS, et al.;
SARS Working Group. A novel coronavirus associated with severe acute respiratory syndrome.
N Engl J Med. 2003; 348:1953-1966.
Google Scholar Crossref PubMed
2. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). Last reviewed 2005. SARS | Guidance | Revised CSTE Surveillance Case Definition | CDC. Accessed February 3, 2020.
3. Hui DS, Azhar EI, Kim YJ, et al.
Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus: risk factors and determinants of primary, household, and nosocomial transmission.
Lancet Infect Dis. 2018; 18: e217-e227.
Google Scholar Crossref PubMed
4. Chen N, Zhou M, Dong X, et al.
Epidemiological and clinical characteristics of 99 cases of 2019 novel coronavirus pneumonia in Wuhan, China: a descriptive study [published online January 30, 2020].Lancet.
5. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Interim guidelines for collecting, handling, and testing clinical specimens from patients under investigation (PUIs) for 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). 2020. 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV). Accessed February 3, 2020.
6. World Health Organization. Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) technical guidance. 2020. Technical guidance. Accessed
February 3, 2020.
© American Society for Clinical Pathology, 2020. All rights reserved. For permissions, please e-mail: journals.permissions@oup.com
This article is published and distributed under the terms of the Oxford University Press, Standard Journals Publication Model (Standard Publication Reuse Rights)
Three Emerging Coronaviruses in Two Decades: The Story of SARS, MERS, and Now COVID-19
***another one from same source***
YOU WILL NEED TO DOWNLOAD THE .PDF FOR THIS ONE
The reproductive number of COVID-19 is higher compared to SARS coronavirus
Ying Liu, Albert A Gayle, Annelies Wilder-Smith, Joacim Rocklöv
Journal of Travel Medicine, taaa021, reproductive number of COVID-19 is higher compared to SARS coronavirus
Published: 13 February 2020
PDFAbstract
coronavirus
- china
- reproductive physiological process
- world health organization
- public health medicine
- severe acute respiratory syndrome
- epidemics
- sars coronavirus
- novel coronavirus 2019
- covid-19
Research letter
The reproductive number of COVID-19 is higher compared to SARS coronavirus
In Wuhan, China, a novel and alarmingly contagious primary atypical (viral) pneumonia broke out in December 2019. It has since been identified as a zoonotic cor
academic.oup.com
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Trivium Pursuit
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have no choice, I have to get it every year if I want to work at a hospital. I can tell you that I asked an RN here recently how effective she thought this year's crapshoot was, in terms of guessing correctly which strain to make the vaccine for.
She said "Somewhat, but there seems to be a second strain now that's not as good against.
I do not love this. However, I am VERY happy that they have chosen to fly them STRAIGHT to San Antonio, rather than to DFW and then bussed or something. Which appeared to be listed as a contingency earlier. Rejoice with me!
Trivium Pursuit
Has No Life - Lives on TB
True, like how it worked for Countess Elizabeth Bathory...
President Trump has information we don't, because our intel community is amazing! I hope and pray that his declaration of things turning around by April is based on facts, not just the need to avoid panic. I guess we'll find out in a few weeks.
We say to look what TPTB are doing, not just saying. President Trump and Melania continue to attend huge events here and still plan on overseas travel. (I think he's going to India next month.) If he starts to isolate himself and his family, then we'll know this is going to be serious here.
Prayers continue for the people in China and Asia where this is romping through the population with evil abandon.
We say to look what TPTB are doing, not just saying. President Trump and Melania continue to attend huge events here and still plan on overseas travel. (I think he's going to India next month.) If he starts to isolate himself and his family, then we'll know this is going to be serious here.
Prayers continue for the people in China and Asia where this is romping through the population with evil abandon.
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Craftypatches
Veteran Member
I believe this is another good reason to support President Trump! To think we could become similar to China with their inhumane practices! We do freely what the government asks of us, with the exception of a few people perhaps! If we are to self quarantine, we will most likely do it! To think if we were a government that put bars on our windows or concrete blocks so we could not get out, is horrible! What China people would give to have a free government like ours!
Ordinary Girl
Veteran Member
I decided to do a crazy search and just now found the movie Contagion (2011) was posted to archive.org less than a day ago. The science in this is quite accurate especially compared to many other virus/pandemic movies. It's a bad outbreak of a bug from Asia (sound familiar?)
Here it is:
Contagion : Contagion : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive <<<--- movie page
https://archive.org/download/contagion2011_202002/5_6170202446099382546.mp4 <<<--- movie download link (hold cursor over the link,right click, save link as: )
They didn't hide the name or anything so this will get deleted and I suspect quickly. Save a copy now to watch later.
Thank you for posting that link. I just watched the movie. Scary similaritie.
desertvet2
Veteran Member
.....you all do realize that anything you watch on TV could be TOTALLY FAKE , right?
Deepfakes , green screens,...the illusion can be VERY BELIEVABLE....
In order to hold off panic until the last possible moment...there is NO LIMIT to the obfuscation that will be used to keep the masses from losing their shit.
It makes perfect sense really.
As a poster said above.....let those who have eyes.....SEE.
Deepfakes , green screens,...the illusion can be VERY BELIEVABLE....
In order to hold off panic until the last possible moment...there is NO LIMIT to the obfuscation that will be used to keep the masses from losing their shit.
It makes perfect sense really.
As a poster said above.....let those who have eyes.....SEE.
Profit of Doom
Dismember
Location?
DazedandConfused
Veteran Member
I read somewhere they were.
Profit of Doom
Dismember
Direct deposit not available?
Profit of Doom
Dismember
Sounds like you need to drop a dime to health inspector.
Profit of Doom
Dismember
...but it’s for your own good...
desertvet2
Veteran Member
I would assume that it means one shopping trip per month, otherwise can stay at home.
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
That, right there, is a scary thing to contemplate...
But... very likely
Could you let us know if, when, you find out what it is? We're about 1 1/2 hour drive from Springfield...sure would be a booger...just dang! Thanks
Tom McDowell
BAMN
A portion of a lengthy essay
Translator’s Introduction
In July 2018, the Tsinghua University professor Xu Zhangrun published an unsparing critique of the Chinese Communist Party and its Chairman of Everything, Xi Jinping. Xu warned of the dangers of one-man rule, a sycophantic bureaucracy, putting politics ahead of professionalism and the myriad other problems that the system would encounter if it rejected further reforms. That philippic was one of a cycle of works that Xu wrote during a year in which he alerted his readers to pressing issues related to China’s momentous struggle with modernity, the state of the nation under Xi Jinping and the mixed prospects for its future. Those essays will be published in a collection titled Six Chapters from the 2018 Year of the Dog by Hong Kong City University Press in May this year.
/snip
Viral Alarm: When Fury Overcomes Fear
An Essay by Xu Zhangrun, Translated and Annotated by Geremie R. Barmé
snip
I present these Nine Points for the consideration of my fellow countrymen and women. It is all too obvious and mere common sense. But let me reiterate my key point: when a nation has yet to enter a normal state of rule; when its people and their civilization are yet to transition into a truly modern era, we must continue forward with fortitude and hope; we must strive to bring about constitutional democracy and realize a true People’s Republic. We have now been part of this long-breaking wave of modernity for over one and a half centuries [since the fledgling reform movement of the 1860s in the Qing dynasty]. It is herein that we play a role. That’s right, we, We the People, for [as I have previously said] how can we let ourselves “survive no better than swine; fawn upon the power-holders like curs; and live in vile filth like maggots”?!
As I write these words I reflect on my own situation which also dramatically changed in 2018 [when the author published his famous anti-Xi Jeremiad]. For having raised my voice then, I was punished for “speech crimes.” Thereafter, I was suspended from my job as a university lecturer and cashiered as a professor, reduced to a minor academic rank. I was placed under investigation by my employer, Tsinghua University; my freedoms have been curtailed ever since. Writing as I do herein, I can now all too easily predict that I will be subjected to new punishments; indeed, this may well even be the last piece I write. But that is not for me to say.
Confronted by this Great Virus, as all of us are right now, I feel as though a vast chasm has opened up before us all and I feel compelled to speak out yet again. There is no refuge from this viral reality and I cannot remain silent. To act in any other way would be to betray my nature. In Western philosophy, they call it “righteous indignation;” it is a kind of fury that results from repeated abrasion. Our own thinkers speak of it as humanity combined with a sense of justice. It is [what Mencius] called “the true way of the human heart” and, thus agitated, I—a bookish scholar who dares to think of himself as an “intellectual”—am prepared to pay for it with my life. [Here the author quotes the Confucian text Mencius: “Benevolence is the heart of man, and rightness his road. Sad it is indeed when a man gives up the right road instead of following it and allows his heart to stray without enough sense to go after it.” Translated by D.C. Lau, Mencius, Book VI, Part A: 11.]
In the end, it is about Freedom—that Transcendent Quality; well-spring and fulcrum of conscious action; that secular value proven to be the most divine aspiration of humankind; that innate sensibility that truly makes us human; that ineffable “suchness” that we Chinese share with all others. The spirit of the world, that spirit incarnate on earth, makes possible a glorious unfolding of Freedom itself. This is why, friends—my countless compatriots—though a sea of flames confronts us, can we let ourselves be held back by fear?
Oh, Vast Land beneath our feet, it is You that I now address:
You inspire the most profound feelings, yet you can be cruel in your dispensation. Despite the bounty of your promise all too often you assail us with ceaseless troubles. Bit by bit you gnaw away at our patience, inch by inch you chip away at our dignity. Are you deserving of all of our praise or are you worthy only of our curses? One thing there is that I do know, and it is a hard-won truth: at the mere mention of you my eyes fill with tears and my heart gasps. And so it is that I say unto You, in the words of the poet [Dylan Thomas]:
I will not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
And that is why people like me—feeble scholars though we are—are useless, for we can do nothing more than lament, take up our pens, avail ourselves of what we write to issue calls for decency and advance pleas on behalf of Justice. Faced with the crisis of the coronavirus, confronting this disordered world, I join my compatriots—the 1.4 billion men and women, brothers and sisters of China, the countless multitudes who have no way of fleeing this land—and I call on them: rage against this injustice; let your lives burn with a flame of decency; break through the stultifying darkness and welcome the dawn.
Let us now strive together with our hearts and minds, also with our very lives. Let us embrace the warmth of a sun that proffers yet freedom for this vast land of ours!
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- February 10, 2020
Translator’s Introduction
In July 2018, the Tsinghua University professor Xu Zhangrun published an unsparing critique of the Chinese Communist Party and its Chairman of Everything, Xi Jinping. Xu warned of the dangers of one-man rule, a sycophantic bureaucracy, putting politics ahead of professionalism and the myriad other problems that the system would encounter if it rejected further reforms. That philippic was one of a cycle of works that Xu wrote during a year in which he alerted his readers to pressing issues related to China’s momentous struggle with modernity, the state of the nation under Xi Jinping and the mixed prospects for its future. Those essays will be published in a collection titled Six Chapters from the 2018 Year of the Dog by Hong Kong City University Press in May this year.
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Viral Alarm: When Fury Overcomes Fear
An Essay by Xu Zhangrun, Translated and Annotated by Geremie R. Barmé
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I present these Nine Points for the consideration of my fellow countrymen and women. It is all too obvious and mere common sense. But let me reiterate my key point: when a nation has yet to enter a normal state of rule; when its people and their civilization are yet to transition into a truly modern era, we must continue forward with fortitude and hope; we must strive to bring about constitutional democracy and realize a true People’s Republic. We have now been part of this long-breaking wave of modernity for over one and a half centuries [since the fledgling reform movement of the 1860s in the Qing dynasty]. It is herein that we play a role. That’s right, we, We the People, for [as I have previously said] how can we let ourselves “survive no better than swine; fawn upon the power-holders like curs; and live in vile filth like maggots”?!
As I write these words I reflect on my own situation which also dramatically changed in 2018 [when the author published his famous anti-Xi Jeremiad]. For having raised my voice then, I was punished for “speech crimes.” Thereafter, I was suspended from my job as a university lecturer and cashiered as a professor, reduced to a minor academic rank. I was placed under investigation by my employer, Tsinghua University; my freedoms have been curtailed ever since. Writing as I do herein, I can now all too easily predict that I will be subjected to new punishments; indeed, this may well even be the last piece I write. But that is not for me to say.
Confronted by this Great Virus, as all of us are right now, I feel as though a vast chasm has opened up before us all and I feel compelled to speak out yet again. There is no refuge from this viral reality and I cannot remain silent. To act in any other way would be to betray my nature. In Western philosophy, they call it “righteous indignation;” it is a kind of fury that results from repeated abrasion. Our own thinkers speak of it as humanity combined with a sense of justice. It is [what Mencius] called “the true way of the human heart” and, thus agitated, I—a bookish scholar who dares to think of himself as an “intellectual”—am prepared to pay for it with my life. [Here the author quotes the Confucian text Mencius: “Benevolence is the heart of man, and rightness his road. Sad it is indeed when a man gives up the right road instead of following it and allows his heart to stray without enough sense to go after it.” Translated by D.C. Lau, Mencius, Book VI, Part A: 11.]
In the end, it is about Freedom—that Transcendent Quality; well-spring and fulcrum of conscious action; that secular value proven to be the most divine aspiration of humankind; that innate sensibility that truly makes us human; that ineffable “suchness” that we Chinese share with all others. The spirit of the world, that spirit incarnate on earth, makes possible a glorious unfolding of Freedom itself. This is why, friends—my countless compatriots—though a sea of flames confronts us, can we let ourselves be held back by fear?
Oh, Vast Land beneath our feet, it is You that I now address:
You inspire the most profound feelings, yet you can be cruel in your dispensation. Despite the bounty of your promise all too often you assail us with ceaseless troubles. Bit by bit you gnaw away at our patience, inch by inch you chip away at our dignity. Are you deserving of all of our praise or are you worthy only of our curses? One thing there is that I do know, and it is a hard-won truth: at the mere mention of you my eyes fill with tears and my heart gasps. And so it is that I say unto You, in the words of the poet [Dylan Thomas]:
I will not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
And that is why people like me—feeble scholars though we are—are useless, for we can do nothing more than lament, take up our pens, avail ourselves of what we write to issue calls for decency and advance pleas on behalf of Justice. Faced with the crisis of the coronavirus, confronting this disordered world, I join my compatriots—the 1.4 billion men and women, brothers and sisters of China, the countless multitudes who have no way of fleeing this land—and I call on them: rage against this injustice; let your lives burn with a flame of decency; break through the stultifying darkness and welcome the dawn.
Let us now strive together with our hearts and minds, also with our very lives. Let us embrace the warmth of a sun that proffers yet freedom for this vast land of ours!
Drafted on the Fourth Day of the First Lunar Month
Of the Gengzi Year of the Rat [28 January 2020]
Revised on the Ninth Day of the First Month [2 February]
As a snow storm suddenly assailed Beijing
/snipOf the Gengzi Year of the Rat [28 January 2020]
Revised on the Ninth Day of the First Month [2 February]
As a snow storm suddenly assailed Beijing
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Overnight, the country found itself in the grip of a devastating crisis; fear was stalking the land. The authorities proved themselves to be at a loss and the cost of their behavior was soon visited upon the common people. Before long, the coronavirus was reaching around the globe and the...
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raven
TB Fanatic
"check" is a figure of speech and refers to the date the funds are available.
I generally do one shopping trip a month because it is a 35 mile trip to the grocery store/home depot/everything.
I sometimes am able to go two months between filling the car.
I was doing this before the virus crisis.
Anyone in retail or restaurant business. They are dealing with SO many people from everywhere. One of our sons is a GM for the busiest Chick-fil-a in the area. They have a ton of travelers coming through all the time, along with students, military, all kinds of people. (And, no, their business hasn’t dropped off at all. ). I really worry about his health because he seems to catch every bug that
Texican
Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
If you have self quarantine and do not go out, your need of a large qty of masks goes down unless you have someone in the household that becomes infected....
Texican....
Seeker22
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Ah yes, TeeVee. The ultimate programming tool of the prince of the air.
Ever wonder why they call it TV trivia? Not trivial at all. Unplug and do thouself a huge favor.
God gave you eyes to SEE- use them well.
Because her devotees practiced such magic wherever three paths joined, Hecate became known to the Romans as Trivia (tri “three,” and via “roads”). Offerings were also made to her wherever evil or murderous activity occurred, as such areas were believed to be magnets of malevolent spirits, something like “haunted houses,” and if one wanted to get along with the resident apparitions they needed to make oblations to the ruler of their darkness—Hecate.
SHADOWLAND—PART 10: Ritual Sacrifice, Symbols, and Occult Architecture
Edited to add- Hecate is also the Crone form of the Triple Goddess and not evil to everyone. In the eye of the beholder, I guess.
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SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Delete. Double post.
SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thanks for your reply, Texican. I didn't get the point I was trying to make across very well. I was in a hurry, because we were expecting guests soon. I didn't have time to think it through very well, before I posted it. After thinking about it now, I realize that my question was baseless, since everyone will have to determine their mask count on each individual basis. No one answer will fit everyone.
teadrinker
Senior Member
Me too.
Intestinal Fortitude
Have Faith
hmmmm... well with a population of over one and ahalf Billion, i would say they don't
L.A.B.
Goodness before greatness.
All we really need to understand about transparency and forthrightness of a foreign nations culture, is ‘face saving’ and ‘center of the world’ mindset. Every geo-cached culture has their own ways, and China has been that way for centuries, long before we had a constitutional republic, and it’s not changing anytime soon.
Yes, the world got their black swan, and CONUS will get a chance to see how their West Coast Airbases and population will fare. We will come to understand the true nature of relationship between man, virus, lab’s, and adventurous or advantageous situations that may or may not be exploited by weakness. Recall the mantra of dark leadership of never allowing a crisis to go to waste. They are still deeply connected to who know how.
Naw, we got plenty of finger licking chicken here stateside. I wanna be cooler than the dude that takes a transfusion from a acquired immune deficient blood donor. I’m holding out for the ‘bat$#!+’ crazy - stomach contents soup, frozen or freeze dried ASAP.
...And I’m not even talking about the drop off of vessel cargo in our ports that starts tomorrow in LA/LB - CA. We’re just talking fine cuisine here, and no, pizza seems to have dropped off the menu for all but the sickest.
Virtualco
Panic Early - Panic Often
I have had the flu vaccine last 28 years straight. Also pneumonia vaccine and shingles vaccine. So far no flu, but also live a very healthy lifestyle.