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Coronavirus leaked footage: Disturbing video shows Chinese officials 'rounding up' people
Hubei

Chilling footage shows the moment a group of Chinese residents are rounded up in the afflicted Hubei (Image: IG)
DISTURBING footage leaked from inside China appears to show lines of people being rounded up by officials and led away, as Beijing ramps up its so-called "wartime measures".
By OLI SMITH
PUBLISHED: 13:03, Sat, Feb 15, 2020UPDATED: 13:18, Sat, Feb 15, 2020
Feb 15, 2020
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Chilling footage shows the moment a group of Chinese residents are rounded up in the afflicted Hubei province before being led away by guards. The leaked video takes place in broad daylight and in public. The footage surfaces as Chinese officials ramp up their so-called “wartime measures” used to combat the coronavirus outbreak.
The group being herded away are all bound together - the reason for which is unclear.

This comes after the New York Times reported that the county was planning a “mass round up” of anyone who has exhibited symptoms of the coronavirus.

JUST IN: Coronavirus shock: Cured patients reveal chilling reality of virus
The measures deployed across the Hubei province, which has a combined population of 11 million, has banned residents from leaving their homes unless they are directly involved in fighting the epidemic.

In Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak, authorities moved to seal all residential compounds.

Under the new emergency laws, only one member of each household could go out, and only once every three days, to buy groceries and other supplies.

On Friday, the Chinese National Health Commission reported 2,641 new cases of the coronavirus and 143 deaths.
The total number of confirmed cases is now 66,492 and the death toll in the China stands at 1,523.

Earlier today, China implemented strict new controls in the capital Beijing as the coronavirus continued to spread.

Chinese leader Xi Jinping acknowledged that the “black swan” of the coronavirus epidemic would make it difficult for the government to achieve its economic and social development goals for the year.

They just gotta tell you how you are expected to emote, don't they? If I want to be chilled, that's my choice. Stupid damn media!
Thanks for posting, it's not your fault.
 

bcingu

Senior Member
Very similar R0 at the present with smallpox and Covid.
Yeah, the white folks did because over the centuries, we got a sort of immunity from survivals. But the Red folks got wiped out. I think total for the Mandans of No. Dak.

And we are in the position of the Mandans.

Exactly as Troke postulated.
Smallpox, the black plague, and the more recent Spanish flu were all deadly before our present advanced medical system and yet they faded away. The Black plague swept through Europe killing anyone who was genetically susceptible. The Spanish flu was the same killing until everyone who was genetically susceptible was gone. Small pox, Polio, ect... did the same. However, the common cold and flu are viral and not a disease. A virus mutate so quickly within their respective season unlike a disease we can succumb to the new cold or flu virus multiple times in one season.

I realize the Spanish flu virus is lumped into my disease example. Allow me to explain, the Spanish flu wreaked havoc throughout the world for 3-4 years. It was deadly in populations year after year and then it was gone. Why? It became less virulent because those who were genetically susceptible had already been removed.

When did these well known illness' return? Anytime a new genetic sequence was introduced. The easiest example being that of the respective American Indian tribes, the Aztec, and Mayan. However, what about the black plague? This occurred after the fall of the Roman empire and the co-mingling of the Eastern and Western European tribes. Recessive genes were introduced into a larger population resulting in some genetic sequences being more susceptible than others.

Vaccines are beneficial against diseases that maintain their structure season after season. However, they are worthless when the disease is introduced into a susceptible genetic group.

Genetics has given my family many gifts. We are not allergic to Poison Ivy, Sumac, or Oak. Rarely we'll catch colds and suffer through the flu, when we do it lays us out for 3-4 days. The men are highly intelligent, bronze skinned, easily tan., broad shouldered, stout and large muscular legs. The women are highly intelligent, bronze skinned, easily tan, broad hipped, well proportioned with large muscular legs. I know everyone here can recognize their families genetic traits. However, once in a while a recessive gene will be exposed for instance my little brother has auburn red hair and beard and is fair skinned.

We see the re-emergence of some of these diseases again whenever a different genetic sequence is introduces into society. However, unlike a physical manifestation of the recessive gene this one is invisible and only exposed when exploited by a disease or virus. Exactly like those anomalies we had to predict with the Fruit Fly genetic experiment back in Biology.

This flu is more aggressive and mutates so quickly not only can science not get in front of it neither can our bodies. Trying to do so would (in my mind) be akin to separating snow flakes as they fell into piles by their shape. We have already heard this variation is specifically engineered toward Asian genetics. Only time will tell how Eastern and Western Europeans will fare.
 

northern watch

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Coronavirus Impact: Pay Attention To Shanghai, And Japan Infection Rates
Kenneth Rapoza Senior Contributor
February 16, 2020, 09:00am
Forbes

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The lungs of China are infected. Here, a thick fog settles over Shanghai. So far, the city has been relatively immune from coronavirus. Like Xi Jinping, global investors want to keep it that way. (Photo by VCG/VCG via Getty Images)

The coronavirus has no end in sight, with consensus now pushing peak Covid-19 — as it is now officially known — out to April. It was initially February 14, but that target was wiped out when public health officials in Hubei province, the epicenter of the outbreak, increased the number of new patients by over 10,000 in one day.

Daily death tolls, once averaging 25 a day, have risen fourfold.

The only positive takeaway in all of this is that it is contained in Hubei. Of the nearly 70,000 cases worldwide, 54,500 are in Hubei. And out of the 1,527 people that have died from respiratory problems caused by the viral lung infection, 1,457 of them were in Hubei. The biggest number of cases outside of China is in Singapore, with just 72 cases.

There are more people with a common cold in Singapore at the moment than there are with the Wuhan pneumonia. That’s not enough to calm anybody down. This is still red alert time.


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Where is everybody? Shared bikes sit unused on a workday in Beijing. Despite the government giving the OK to return to work last week, many people are staying home out of fears of coming down with the deadly Wuhan pneumonia. (Photo by Kevin Frayer/Getty Images)

Beijing and Shanghai have under 1,000 reported cases and only four deaths, based on data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. Their data is sourced from the World Health Organization, the U.S. Center for Disease Control, the European Center for Disease Control and two China health agencies. China is the main source of the numbers.

There are many people outside of China who doubt Beijing and Shanghai’s low case load. Watch for those numbers to rise in the weeks ahead. If they start hitting the thousand mark, with no reduction in the number of infected persons, it suggests a prolonged fight against Covid-19 and markets will push out their V-shape recovery beyond April
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Covid-19 remains a mystery pathogen. It can be deadly. It’s like a bad pneumonia. Scientists believe it came from a species of bat. There is also concern that it escaped a virology research lab in Wuhan.

There is no vaccine for Covid-19 yet, so those who have it are being treated with a variety of anti-viral medications and have to wait for the virus to work its way out of the body.


Markets are repricing everything China related.

Barclays Capital analysts released a 20-page report on the coronavirus on Friday where they said they were pushing out the recovery period, and think Japan heads into a technical recession because of it.


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A bus leaves a port where the quarantined Diamond Princess cruise ship is docked Saturday, February 15, 2020, in Yokohama, near Tokyo. A viral outbreak that began in China has infected more than 67,000 people globally. The World Health Organization has named the illness COVID-19, referring to its origin late last year and the coronavirus that causes it. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)

Japan: Worsening Outlook

Japan will release its fourth quarter GDP numbers on Monday
. Barclays analysts led by Tetsufumi Yamakawa in Tokyo estimate that real GDP contracted 3.2% on a quarterly basis, a little better than market consensus of -3.8%. This is all pre-coronavirus and mostly due to domestic tax matters.

Yamakawa does see an increasing risk in first quarter weakness due to the Covid-19 impacts, and if that leads to negative growth, and it could, Japan hits a technical recession with back to back contraction.

Weaker China tourism and a decrease in trade with China is a huge headwind for Japan. For Barclays, the probability of a recession there has surged to 69%.

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A nurse at the Yangzhou Third People's Hospital on February 14, 2020. Over 1,200 medical staff now have the disease. Most of them in Hubei. PHOTOGRAPH BY Costfoto / Barcroft Media

China: Not Yet At Peak Coronavirus

Barclays’ China view is basically Wall Street consensus: so long as the virus stays concentrated in Hubei, they are going to trust China keeps it that way.

Last week, the Communist Party fired top Party leaders in Hubei and Wuhan for failing to call for a public health emergency when the virus was first reported by doctors in Wuhan in early December.

Li Wenliang, the Chinese whistleblower doctor who warned the public of a potential "SARS-like" disease in December and was arrested for “spreading rumors”, died last week in Wuhan Central Hospital. His lungs were loaded with the coronavirus.

Xi Jinping last week called for even tighter restrictions on Hubei, and put two new Party bosses in charge to make sure the clampdown is enforced.


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Chinese Premier Li Keqiang: Calm Calm and Get to Work. (Madoka Ikegami – Pool/Getty Images)

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“We think these efforts showed the urgency and determination of the government to stabilize the epicenter as soon as possible,” says Eric Zhu, an economist with Barclays in Hong Kong. “We expect incremental improvements,” he says.

Xi said last week that his government would “strive to achieve this year’s social and economic targets,” as “the strict measures and treatment methods continue to see breakthroughs.”

Meanwhile, China’s economic managers are keeping the market afloat.

Premier Li Keqiang stressed the importance of resuming work and production outside of Hubei. They’re worried the economic impact will last beyond the first quarter.

The Ministry of Finance said it would allocate some 848 billion yuan ($121 billion) for new bond quotas, of which 558 billion yuan ($79.8 billion) would be for general bond issuance and 290 billion yuan ($41.5 billion) would be for special bonds, likely designed to help cash strapped enterprises
.

The People’s Bank of China is also planning to relax quotas on some property-related loans and a number of local governments are said to be reducing regulations on housing in order to make it easier for construction firms to get access to fresh capital. Regulatory rollback would also make it easier for buyers to invest in second or third homes without higher penalties for doing so.

Emerging Asia: Ut-Oh

China’s down, and so is emerging markets in Asia that have grown increasingly dependent on it.

Barclays Capital analysts believe Thailand and Singapore will suffer the most. From an equity market perspective, the MSCI Thailand over the last four weeks has been the hardest hit, due to its economic reliance on tourism.

Barclays reduced their 2020 GDP growth forecast for Thailand and Singapore to 1.2% and -0.4% on Friday.

The coronavirus shock will hit first quarter growth throughout emerging Asia the hardest, sending most economies into quarterly growth contraction.

Countries such as Singapore and Korea have already warned that the negative impacts from the coronavirus may exceed those from SARS. Singapore’s Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said Friday that “a recession is possible this year” because of the outbreak. He banned incoming flights from China two weeks ago.


For now, investment firms like Barclays want to see containment. They are seeing it. But all eyes are on China keeping cities like Shanghai free from the Wuhan pneumonia.

If they fail, investors will bail regardless of what the Chinese plunge protection team at the central bank does with the A-shares.


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Thailand's stock market, as represented here by Barclays' iShares MSCI Thailand ETF, is even underperforming China. It's all thanks to the coronavirus.

Bloomberg



Coronavirus Impact: Pay Attention To Shanghai, And Japan Infection Rates
 

OldArcher

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That's my go to mask N100 half mask 100% seal when worn the correct way clean shaven face !!!!

Jes' ordered a' 3M 7500 large half facepiece, 12 pairs o' 3M 7093 filters, 2 lg tyvek suits, an' a DEWALT DPG82-11/DPG82-11CTR Concealer Clear Anti-Fog Dual Mold Safety Goggle. Hope this'll keep ma ol' Confederate carcass alive fer a while...

Thanks, DazedandConfused, fer th' kick in th' pants, head's up... Hope I kin wear Thunder n' Lightnin' over ma tyvek overalls... Height o' fashion...

OA
 

jward

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China forces millions of people to stay at home as virus toll rises


hanghai | China's Communist Party is forcing millions of people in its biggest cities to stay at home in an unprecedented population control campaign aimed at keeping people away from returning migrant workers it fears have come into contact with the coronavirus.

As the death toll from the virus, known officially as COVID-19, continued to rise in Hubei province on the weekend, strict rules controlling the movement of people were being implemented in cities thousands of kilometres away from the source of the outbreak.

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A produce market in Shanghai. In many cases, this means only one member per household is allowed to go out once a day to shop. Bloomberg

China said on Sunday another 142 new deaths were reported across the country in the 24 hours until midnight on Saturday, bringing the total to 1665. The number of new confirmed cases rose by 2009 to 68,500.

France said on Saturday an 80-year-old Chinese tourist had died from coronavirus. It was the first fatality inside Europe. Hong Kong, the Philippines and Japan have also reported one death each.

China's Hubei province on Sunday reported 1843 new confirmed cases and another 139 deaths for the previous day. The total death toll in Hubei, where the government is sending an additional 25,000 medical staff, accounts for the bulk of fatalities across the country.

While China's leaders stressed the outbreak was contained in other parts of China outside of Hubei province, cities across the country stepped up strict controls. In many cases, this means only one member per household is allowed to go out once a day to shop. This is in addition to the province of Hubei, where more than 50 million people have been quarantined in their homes for weeks.
Beijing announced on Friday night that any residents who had left the city would be quarantined in their homes for 14 days when they returned. In Shanghai, some neighbourhoods in the business capital have introduced a similar rule, but it does not yet apply throughout the city.'/

Other population centres of 7 million or more to have introduced strict residential lockdowns include the the eastern port city of Ningbo, the south-eastern provincial capital of Fuzhou, the old capital of Nanjing, and the technology hub of Hangzhou, home to Jack Ma's ecommerce giant Alibaba.
Residents of Harbin, one of the country's most northern cities, said only one member of each household was allowed out for two hours each day.
The residential lockdowns clash with messages from China's leaders for the country to get back to work. In Shanghai, most businesses and restaurants remained closed on Sunday.
Several residents ordered back to work by their companies told The Australian Financial Review they returned to Shanghai on the weekend to find they would be locked in their apartments for the next two weeks and could not go to the office.

The Chinese government is battling to control a backlash against how it has handled the outbreak. Censorship and online controls have been ramped up over the past week and there are reports two journalists and a prominent academic have gone missing after criticising the government.
The release on Saturday of an old speech by President Xi Jinping which revealed he first gave orders to address the coronavirus outbreak at a meeting on January 7 has also inflamed tensions. The Communist Party journal Qiushi published a speech he gave to Communist Party Politburo Standing Committee meeting at the time, in which he said he laid out measures to tackle the epidemic.
This was never reported at the time by state media, which focused on his efforts to "strengthen the leadership of the Communist Party". The local authorities in Wuhan, the city at the centre of the outbreak, have been widely criticised for not raising the alarm with Beijing earlier, but critics online said this speech suggests China's president was aware of the seriousness of the problem all along.
While there are signs the infection across China is slowing, a spike in the numbers out of Hubei last week due to a change in the reporting methodology - which accounts for cases not yet confirmed by laboratory testing - raised fears the numbers were being under-reported.
With many of China's factories and businesses still closed, there are growing concerns for the long-term economic damage. Officials from China's central bank and financial regulators held a press conference late on Friday where they outlined measures to give financial support to struggling small businesses.
Li Junfeng from the China Banking and Insurance Regulatory Commission said banks should allow small businesses to take on more debt, a reversal of previous deleveraging policies.
A central bank official also said banks should increase the total amount of lending. Officials also announced a 1 billion yuan ($213 million) allocation to the Hubei authorities to cover expenses related to the epidemic and 4.4 billion yuan to help pay patient expenses.
 

northern watch

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Beijing Crashes The Party: Chinese Media Warns Austerity Is Coming After FinMin Says "Proactive Fiscal Policy" No Longer Feasible

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by Tyler Durden
Zero Hedge
Sunday, 02/16/2020 - 17:09

One of the top reasons why stocks have continued to hit new all time highs despite the ongoing economic shock that has crippled China's economy, which according to Goldman will push its GDP to zero (or lower)...


... and frayed global supply chains, is the investing public's absolute certainty that China will unleash an unprecedented fiscal stimulus to offset the collapse in economic output (which to those who mistakenly claim that this is "contrarian view" we urge you to carefully review the definition of contrarian when everyone is convinced it will happen).
And in all honesty, until today there was little reason to believe otherwise. After all, with China's economy disintegrating, as we showed on Friday, courtesy of real-time indicators that show there has been zero economic uptick since the lunar new year as the economy remains paralyzed, it would appear Beijing has little choice but to unleash the proverbial stimulus flood, or rather continue unleashing stimulus, as shown in the timeline below.





Furthermore, with articles such as this one in Bloomberg "China Vows More Fiscal Support as Virus Roils a Slowing Economy", a stimulus appears a done deal.

There is just one problem: none of it is true based on what China's finance minister Liu Kin actually wrote today in Qiushi, the Communist Party of China’s flagship magazine.

First, a quick look at what the misleadingly titled Bloomberg article, which cited Liu, says it is far from the blanket "vow" of unconditional fiscal stimulus that one would conclude based on just reading the headline, as just two paragraphs in we read that "the nation will further perfect and implement measures this year to reduce corporate taxes and cut unnecessary government expenses."

For those confused, "cutting unnecessary government spending" is the opposite of the unlimited stimulus most investors hope for; in fact one can almost interpret it as a form austerity with Chinese characteristics.

And as further confirmation that China may be about to shock the stock market and its stimulus junkies, China's Global Times propaganda outlet wrote on Sunday that "with the Chinese economy taking a major hit from the outbreak of the novel coronavirus pneumonia (COVID-19), the central government appears to pursue fiscal austerity as part of the efforts to pull through the difficult times."

Crushing the "unlimited fiscal support" argument pushed by Bloomberg, and which is propping up the entire market, the Global Times warns that while it is generally expected that fiscal stimulus and monetary easing will undoubtedly be the two main tools of central authorities for alleviating downward pressure on the economy and for maintaining macroeconomic stability, "given the past experience and the financial risks currently facing China, a flood of spending programs seems no longer on the financial regulators' list of choices for stimulating the economy."

And here is why one can no longer even trust Bloomberg for objective and accurate, reporting of news: according to the Global Times' report of what the Chinese finance minister said, instead of "vowing more fiscal support", China's top financier actually urged local government to brace for "belt-tightening", to wit:

"China will face decreased fiscal revenues and increased expenditures for some time to come, and the fiscal operation will maintain a state of 'tight balance.', Chinese Finance Minister Liu Kun wrote in an article published on Qiushi, a magazine affiliated with the Communist Party of China Central Committee. In this situation, it won't be feasible to adopt a proactive fiscal policy by expanding the fiscal expenditure scale. I, and instead, policies and capital must be used in a more effective, precise and targeted way," Liu said. Chinese Finance Minister Liu Kun wrote in an article published on Qiushi, a magazine affiliated with the Communist Party of China Central Committee.
Much to the chagrin of anyone betting that Beijing will do anything to offset the economic decline about to slam the economy, the Global Times said that "Liu's article sent a clear signal that China would not stimulate the economy by rolling out another massive monetary stimulus."

Which is not to say that China won't do anything, it just won't do as much as many hope: due to the dire impact of the coronavirus outbreak on businesses across the country, the Ministry of Finance has already made it clear that it would continue to reduce the tax burden on enterprises, which will undoubtedly weigh down the already slowing fiscal income. However, a potential decrease in fiscal revenues directly points to the limited room for splashing out on unnecessary programs. China's fiscal revenues grew 3.8 percent in 2019, the slowest growth since 1987, while fiscal expenditures during the same year gained 8.1 percent compared with the previous year, outpacing economic growth.

Therefore, to maintain a "tight balance," the Chinese economy will have to tighten its belt by curbing non-essential expenditures while expanding investment in a precise and targeted manner, as the Global Times said, which as a reminder is under the auspices of the Chinese Communist Party's People's Daily newspaper and thus represents the message China's communist party wants to convey to the world.

While there has been a consensus among economists and investors for the fiscal deficit ratio to break the 3% GDP mark temporarily so that more space could be given to fiscal expenditures to stabilize the economy amid the epidemic, the Global Times says that the fiscal space constraint is not the key reason for belt-tightening. Instead, China appears to now be learning from the past, when massive stimulus has showed that "a flood of investments could lead to many consequences like high levels of local government debts, and to the detriment of high-quality economic growth."

The Global Times' conclusion is ominous: the pain will be equally felt by everyone:

In 2019, China's fiscal expenditures reached 23.9 trillion yuan ($3.4 trillion), of which only 3.5 trillion yuan was spent by the central government, and the rest by local governments. In this sense, governments at all levels should be prepared for belt-tightening in the future to come.
The question is whether US investors, who have so far ignored all the adverse newsflow betting Beijing would bail them out - and with the S&P at all time highs, they have yet to be proven wrong - will join them.

 
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OldArcher

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Lucky for us they're trying soooo hard to protect us from the NCoV!

Here's some intereting info from Florida:


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University of Florida to professors: Stop ordering sick students to take coronavirus tests



By Audrey Mostek

Fresh Take Florida |

Feb 14, 2020 | 1:04 PM

| GAINESVILLE


Florida’s flagship university is warning its professors to stop requiring students who may be visibly sick to leave class and be tested for the new coronavirus.

The orders from the University of Florida reflect rising anxieties about the illness on a campus with more than 6,000 international students amid the virus’s rapid global spread — even though there have been no reported cases in Florida.

The university would not identify the professors involved, say exactly how many students had been ordered out of classrooms or specify whether the actions targeted international students. An email to deans and department chairs from the Office of the Provost — obtained by the Fresh Take Florida news service — made clear it was improper to kick out students until they could prove they were free of the virus.

RELATED: Surgeon General says Florida is clear of coronavirus — for now »

“While instructors are encouraged to care for their students and their health, please inform your instructors that they are not to excuse a student from class to confirm they are free of the coronavirus,” wrote Rebecca Holt, the school’s executive assistant to the provost, Joseph Glover."




Annnnnd:



"Florida Department of Health cites patient confidentiality law as reason not to inform public


What’s going on with the coronavirus in Florida?

Sorry, you can’t find out. It’s a secret.

It doesn’t sound like it should be a secret, but according to the Florida Department of Health, it has to be a secret.

“We are bound by a specific statute and can’t release the information,” explained Alberto Moscoso, the communications director for the Florida Department of Health.

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Maybe. Maybe not.

The state gave regular public updates on Zika, a mosquito-borne virus that infected more than 100 Floridians three years ago.

There was no problem with public updates then. But we know precious little about the coronavirus in Florida.

Gov. Ron DeSantis casually dribbled out a little information two weeks ago during a press event at Omni Middle School in Boca Raton, where he was touting an expansion of speech and debate programs in schools.

“Everybody to this date that has been tested has come back negative,” he said.

We don’t know anything about these everybodies or where they lived. Or about the somebody who got tested last week at Memorial Regional Hospital in Hollywood, according to the Sun-Sentinel, but not confirmed by the state.

Why the secrecy? If a virus that began in China two months ago and has already spread to 28 countries, including the United States, don’t the people of Florida have a right to be kept in the loop?

The state law cited is a passage in the Florida Administrative Code that says “all information contained in laboratory reports, notifiable disease or condition case reports and in related epidemiological investigatory notes is confidential.”

But the passage goes on to note three exceptions for releasing otherwise confidential disease or condition case reports to the public.

The exceptions are:

(1) If the state’s health department determines public release of information is warranted “due to the highly infectious nature of the disease.”





(2) If the release of information would be useful to reduce “the potential for further outbreaks.”

(3) If the release helps to identify or locate people in contact with the cases.

If one of those conditions is true, it trumps the patient confidentiality requirement.

In the case of the coronavirus, it wouldn’t be a stretch to argue that there’s more than enough wiggle room in the law for the state health department to be transparent with the public.

Using “patient privacy” as an excuse to tamp down information on a virus well on its way to becoming a pandemic says more about tourism than public safety in Florida.

The lack of openness has become a trend in Florida, as more and more public records become private.

For example, this legislative session, lawmakers are proposing a bill that would keep their home addresses private.





Not disclosing their home addresses is more than an unwarranted personal safety issue. It shields the public from the valuable information of knowing which representatives live outside their own legislative districts.

Another example of codified secrecy run amok is the recently passed Marsy’s Law, a state Constitutional amendment that was sold primarily as a way to inform crime victims about the dates their cases would be heard in court.

It also has a provision that allows crime victims to have their identities kept secret in public records. This provision is now being used by police officers who are involved in situations where they use force in the line of duty.

By claiming that they are crime victims while making an arrest, some officers are using Marsy’s Law to shield their names from being disclosed in use-of-force cases, including ones where they use lethal force.

And to take it even further, the Jacksonville Police Department is using the law to keep secret the addresses where some crimes occur.

So, I guess it shouldn’t be surprising that Florida’s reaction to a viral outbreak is less public information, not more.

It’s all part of the secrecy virus on the loose in Florida."

TPTB want ta, an' are a tryin' ta kill us... Fools that we are, we're goin' along wi' 'em... God help us!

OA
 

Squid

Veteran Member
The one thing I **cannot** get over is that the healthy recoveries from the virus appear to be non-asian, and the most sick ARE asian.
Smoking in Asia especially China is still a thing. Maybe heavy smokers have created some damage to the lung tissues that makes a person less able to fight off the infection, or this us so insidious that most of the deaths are from re-infections and since most westerners are on the first infection we may be in for unpleasant surprises at the end of March.
 

Trivium Pursuit

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FWIW- I DISAGREE.

JMNSHO- I believe IT MATTERS, HOW BADLY EXPOSED TO THE VIRUS YOU ARE.
I am of the opinion that a person's immune system can often fight off a mild exposure and that
the more careful you are to LIMIT THE VIRAL LOAD that you body has to fight off, the better chance you might have to survive or have only a mild case of corona virus disease.

NEVER GIVE UP and stop fighting to avoid serious or repeated exposure!


I BOUGHT this tshirt:
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This is why we disinfect, wear nitriles, take sambucol, vit C and lomatium: to reduce the viral load as much as possible. That's the whole point.
 

Trivium Pursuit

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Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline

The tables below show confirmed cases of coronavirus (2019-nCoV, officially known as SARS-CoV-2 or COVID-19) in China and other countries. To see a distribution map and a timeline, scroll down. There are currently 71,330 confirmed cases worldwide, including 1,775 fatalities.





Last update: 16 February 2020 at 8:00 p.m. ET


MAINLAND CHINACasesDeathsNotesLinks
Hubei province
(includes Wuhan)
58,1821,6968,024 serious, 1,773 criticalSource
Guangdong province1,316271 serious, 32 criticalSource
Henan province1,2461635 serious, 33 criticalSource
Zhejiang province1,167049 serious, 27 criticalSource
Hunan province1,006357 seriousSource
Anhui province973612 criticalSource
Jiangxi province925149 seriousSource
Jiangsu province61706 serious, 4 criticalSource
Chongqing551537 serious, 13 criticalSource
Shandong province541216 serious, 14 criticalSource
Sichuan province495315 criticalSource
Heilongjiang province4571173 seriousSource
Beijing381410+ seriousSource
Shanghai331114 serious, 4 criticalSource
Tianjin1243Source
Other regions2,20215Source
Undisclosed342Source
TOTAL70,5481,77010,644 serious
10,844 recovered
7,264 suspected

REGIONSCasesDeathsNotesLinks
Hong Kong5715 critical, 2 serious, 1 recoveredSource
Taiwan2012 recoveredSource
Macau1001 recoveredSource
TOTAL8727 serious

INTERNATIONALCasesDeathsNotesLinks
Japan414*19 serious, 17 recoveredSource
Singapore7505 critical, 19 recoveredSource
Thailand3402 serious, 14 recoveredSource
South Korea3009 recoveredSource
Malaysia2208 recoveredSource
Australia15010 recoveredSource
Germany1603 recoveredSource
Vietnam1607 recoveredSource
United States1503 recoveredSource
France1214 recoveredSource
United Kingdom908 recoveredSource
Canada801 recoveredSource
UAE901 serious, 3 recoveredSource
Philippines312 recoveredSource
India303 recoveredSource
Italy302 seriousSource
Russia202 recoveredSource
Spain202 recoveredSource
Nepal101 recoveredSource
Cambodia101 recoveredSource
Sri Lanka101 recoveredSource
Finland101 recoveredSource
Sweden10Source
Belgium101 recoveredSource
Egypt10Source
TOTAL695319 serious/critical
Notes


  • Hubei province, China: The numbers include clinically-diagnosed cases, which means they were not confirmed by laboratory testing.
  • Japan: The total includes 4 asymptomatic cases, which are not included in the government’s official count.
  • Japan: The total includes 355 people from the “Diamond Princess” cruise ship. They are not included in the government’s official count.
  • North Korea: Unconfirmed reports about 1, 5, or 7 cases in North Korea cannot be verified. If cases are confirmed by the North Korean government, they will be added to this list.
Germany now stands at 3 recovered, and no new infections. I count that progress. I also suspect that Germans FREAKED when they saw how fast people got it from one woman at one business meeting...
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Wife did a walk through Walmart yesterday..... shelves are still full and anyone she asked, didn't even know about the virus....Not looking good for Georgia.... we may begin to resemble the walking dead this time next year....

Ah hope not. Still is lots o' good folks down there... Y'all keep up th' fight!

OA
 

northern watch

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Asian shares ease off three-week highs as virus fears return
Swati Pandey
February 16, 2020 / 7:58 PM / Updated an hour ago

SYDNEY (Reuters) - Asian shares stepped back from three-week highs on Monday as investors weighed the near-term hit on global growth from a fast-spreading coronavirus outbreak in China, although expectations of further policy stimulus helped stem losses.

Trading is expected to be light as U.S. stocks and bond markets will be shut on Monday for a public holiday.

MSCI’s broadest index of Asia-Pacific shares outside Japan dipped 0.1% to 555.50, easing further from last week’s top of 558.30, which was the highest since late January.

Australian shares and South Korea’s KOSPI index were each down 0.3%.

Japan’s Nikkei fell more than 1% after data showed the country’s economy contracted at an annualized pace of 6.3% in October-December, shrinking at the fastest pace since the second quarter of 2014.

The hit to the world’s third-largest economy comes amid fresh concerns about weakness in the current quarter, as the coronavirus damages output and tourism, stoking fears Japan may be on the cusp of a recession.

Worryingly, Singapore downgraded its 2020 economic growth forecast due to the coronavirus outbreak, while China’s economy is also widely expected to take a sharp hit.

Within China’s Hubei province - the epicenter of the coronavirus epidemic, authorities reported 1,933 new cases on Monday, about 5% higher than the previous day.

Nationwide figures, due later in the day, are also expected to show an increase from the 2,009 cases last reported.

In a bid to help cushion the jolt from the epidemic, China’s Finance Minister announced plans on Sunday to roll out targeted and phased tax and fee cuts to help relieve difficulties for businesses.

“There is also an expectation of fresh monetary policy support this week (from China) with a possible reduction of 5 basis points when the monthly prime loan rate is set,” said Ray Attrill, head of forex strategy at National Australia Bank.

BULL RUN

Asia’s woes have yet to spread elsewhere, with Wall Street indexes scaling record highs. [.N]

E-Mini futures for the S&P500 were up 0.1% in early Asian trading on Monday.

Talk of a U.S. middle class tax cut and a proposal to encourage everyday Americans to invest in the equities market boosted share market sentiment late last week, Betashares chief economist David Bassanese said.

Bassanese had misgivings about the plan, saying it reminded him of former U.S. President George Bush encouraging Americans to buy a home during a housing boom.

“It adds to my suspicion that this decade-long bull market could eventually end via a blow-off bubble, driven by central bank persistent low interest rate policy,” he said in a note.

Later in the week, flash manufacturing activity data for February are due for the Eurozone, the United Kingdom and the United States which is likely to capture at least some of the early impacts of the viral epidemic.

Action was relatively muted in the currency markets, with the dollar flat against the yen at 109.74. It was unchanged on the pound at $1.3049 and a tad weaker on the euro at $1.0837.

The risk-sensitive Aussie, which is also played as a liquid proxy for the Chinese yuan, was also barely moved at $0.6716.

That left the dollar index at 99.093.

In commodities, gold inched slightly lower to $1,583.15 an ounce.

Oil futures were mixed with Brent crude down 8 cents at $57.24 and U.S. crude up 4 cents at $52.09.

Reporting by Swati Pandey; editing by Richard Pullin


Asian shares ease off three-week highs as virus fears return
 

OldArcher

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I personally believe that Trump is following "the plan" of the alphabet agencies regarding potential ELE events. What do you do, for example, if you know that the earth is going to be hit by a massive asteroid? Do you spread panic or tell lies to keep the people calm? If there is a virus that could kill millions, what do you do? Do you panic the sheep or tell the it's going to be OK. If there's nothing that you as a government can do to stop it, the last thing that you want to do is create a situation of civil unrest that you cannot contain. The lest thing to do is to tell the population to go back to sleep. It'll be over soon.

Bett' ta panic th' flock, an' have some survive, than not... Tough questions... Tougher answers...

OA
 

summerthyme

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Video I posted earlier today - long informative call with mortuary in Wuhan - 60% of recovered bodies are in home.

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I've been figuring that was the case... especially after they apparently began "enforcing" quarantine of the sick by welding people into their homes. Still... that video... it's looking exactly like all thosevplague novels and movies I never could bring myself to read!

DAMN EVERY SINGLE POLITICIAN who put their own wellbeing and political future ahead of telling the truth on this!

Summerthyme
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
So when someone needs to go out they can place a sign on their cars saying "I am part of the fight".

Silly I know... so is the government response...

Those fools ain't grasped th' fact that th' hosses has done left the barn. Hell, the barn's aburnin', an' they say, "All is well..." Only fools believe 'em... God Help Us!!!

OA
 

Trivium Pursuit

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Smoking in Asia especially China is still a thing. Maybe heavy smokers have created some damage to the lung tissues that makes a person less able to fight off the infection, or this us so insidious that most of the deaths are from re-infections and since most westerners are on the first infection we may be in for unpleasant surprises at the end of March.
One of the videos here today, either MedCram or something like it, basically went through a paper that analyzed 1,099 nCov19 cases, and concluded that smokers were 3 times more likely to get the serious pneumonia
 

northern watch

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China Central Bank Orders Lenders To "Tolerate" Higher Bad Debt Levels To Avoid Financial Cataclysm

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by Tyler Durden
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Sunday, 02/16/2020 - 20:30

Last week we reminded readers that unless Beijing manages to contain the coronavirus epidemic, China faces a fate far worse than just reported its first ever 0% (or negative) GDP print in history. For those who missed it, here it is again: back in November, we reported that as part of a stress test conducted by China's central bank in the first half of 2019, 30 medium- and large-sized banks were tested; In the base-case scenario, assuming GDP growth dropped to 5.3% - nine out of 30 major banks failed and saw their capital adequacy ratio drop to 13.47% from 14.43%. In the worst-case scenario, assuming GDP growth dropped to 4.15%, some 2% below the latest official GDP print, more than half of China's banks, or 17 out of the 30 major banks failed the test. Needless to say, the implications for a Chinese financial system - whose size is roughly $41 trillion - having over $20 trillion in "problematic" bank assets, would be dire.
Well, with GDP set to print negative if Goldman is right (with risk clearly to the downside as China's economy remains completely paralyzed)...



... every single Chinese bank is set to fail a "hypothetical" stress test, and the immediate result is an exponential surge in bad debt. The result, as we discussed in detail last week, is that the bad loan ratio at the nation's 30 biggest banks would soar at least five-fold, and potentially far, far more, flooding the country with trillions in non-performing loans, and unleashing a tsunami of bank defaults.

Of course, regular readers are well aware that China's banks are already suffering record loan defaults as the economy last year expanded at the slowest pace in three decades while bankruptcies soared. As extensively covered here previously, the slump tore through the nation’s $41 trillion banking system, forcing not only the first bank seizure in two decades as Baoshang Bank was nationalized , but also bailouts at Bank of Jinzhou, China's Heng Feng Bank, as well as two very troubling bank runs at China's Henan Yichuan Rural Commercial Bank at the start of the month, and then more recently at Yingkou Coastal Bank.



All that may be a walk in the park compared to what is coming next.

"The banking industry is taking a big hit," You Chun, a Shanghai-based analyst at National Institution for Finance & Development told Bloomberg. "The outbreak has already damaged China’s most vibrant small businesses and if it prolongs, many firms will go under and be unable to repay their loans."

According to a recent Bloomberg report, S&P estimates that a worst-case scenario (one which however saw GDP remain well in positive territory) would cause bad debt to balloon by 5.6 trillion yuan ($800 billion), for an NPL ratio of about 6.3%, adding to the already daunting 2.4 trillion yuan of non-performing loans China’s banks are sitting on (a number which, like the details of the viral epidemic, is largely massaged lower and the real number is far higher according to even conservative skeptics).

S&P also expects that banks with operations concentrated in Hubei province and its capital city of Wuhan, the epicenter and the region worst hit by the virus, will likely see the greatest increase in problem loans. The region had 4.6 trillion yuan of outstanding loans held by 160 local and foreign banks at the end of 2018, with more than half in Wuhan. The five big state banks had 2.6 trillion yuan of exposure in the region, followed by 78 local rural lenders, according to official data.

Meanwhile, exposing the plight of small bushiness, most of which are indebted to China's banks, a recent nationwide survey showed that about 30% said they expect to see revenue plunge more than 50% this year because of the virus and 85% said they are unable to maintain operations for more than three months with cash currently available. Perhaps they were exaggerating in hopes of garnering enough sympathy from Beijing for a blanket bailout; or perhaps they were just telling the truth.

Finally, the market is increasingly worried that all this bad debt will have a dire impact on bank
assets: consider that the “big four” state-owned lenders, which together control more than $14 trillion of assets, currently trade at an average 0.6 times their forecast book value, near a record low. This also means that in the eyes of the market, as much as $6 trillion in bank assets are currently worthless.

All of this led us to conclude last week that "nothing short of a coronavirus cataclysm faces both China's banks and small businesses if the coronavirus isn't contained in the coming weeks."

In retrospect, there is one thing we forgot to footnote, and that is that China could buy some extra time if the central bank suspend financial rules and moves the goalposts once again.

And so, just three days after our first article on China's looming bad debt catastrophe, that's precisely what the PBOC has opted to do, because as Reuters writes, on Saturday the PBOC said that the country's lenders will tolerate higher levels of bad loans, part of efforts to support firms hit by the coronavirus epidemic.

"We will support qualified firms so that they can resume work and production as soon as possible, helping maintain stable operations of the economy and minimizing the epidemic's impact," Fan Yifei, a vice governor at the People's Bank of China, told a news conference.

He added that the problem will be manageable as China has a relatively low bad loan ratio.

What the PBOC really means is that China's zombie companies are about to take zombification to a preciously unseen level, as neither the central bank nor its SOE-commercial bank proxies will demand cash payments amounting to billions if not trillions of dollars from debtors, who will plead "force majeure" as part of their debt default explanation. In other words, we may be about to see the biggest "under the table" debt jubilee in history, as thousands of companies are absolved from the consequences of having too much debt.

Separately, during the same briefing, Liang Tao, vice chairman of the China Banking and Insurance Regulatory Commission, said that lending for key investment projects will be sped up, while Xuan Changneng, vice head of the country's foreign exchange regulator, said China was expected to maintain a small current account surplus and keep a basic balance in international payments. We wouldn't hold our breath for a surplus if China is indeed producing nothing as real-time indicators suggest.

And just so the message that debt will flow no matter what is heard loud and clear, on Friday, said Liang Tao, vice-chairman of the China Banking and Insurance Regulatory Commission said that financial institutions in the banking sector had provided more than 537 billion yuan ($77 billion) in credit to fight against the novel coronavirus outbreak as of noon on Friday.

"The regulator will soon launch more measures to give stronger credit support to various industries," said Liang at a news conference held by the State Council Information Office on Saturday. "It will continue to lead banks' efforts on increasing loans to small and micro enterprises, making loans accessible to a larger number of small businesses, and further lowering their lending costs."

Hilariously, Liang highlighted the importance for banks to take accurate measures to renew loans for small businesses to reduce their financial pressure. It wasn't clear just how burdening the small businesses with even more debt they will never be able to repay reduces financial pressure, but we can only assume that this is what is known as financial strategy with Chinese characteristics.

The bottom line is simple: no matter how or when the coronavirus epidemic ends, the outcome for China - which already toils under an gargantuan 300% debt/GDP burden...



... will be devastating as more companies are encumbered by even more debt which they will never be able to repay, and once rates jump or the Chinese economy hits another pothole - viral or otherwise - the avalanche in defaults will be a sight to behold.

 
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