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Heliobas Disciple

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First antiviral drug approved to fight coronavirus
By Zhang Yangfei | chinadaily.com.cn | Updated: 2020-02-17 09:43

Favilavir, formerly known as Fapilavir, an antiviral that has shown efficacy in treating the novel coronavirus, was approved for marketing, the Taizhou government in Zhejiang province announced Sunday.

It is the first anti-novel coronavirus drug that has been approved for marketing by the National Medical Products Administration since the outbreak. Developed by Zhejiang Hisun Pharmaceutical Company, the drug is expected to play an important role in preventing and treating the epidemic, the government said on its official WeChat account.

Favilavir is one of three drugs that have shown significant efficacy in treating the novel coronavirus in clinical trials, the Ministry of Science and Technology said on Saturday.

The antiviral was put into production on Sunday.

Zhejiang province has reported 1,167 cases so far.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Heliobas Disciple

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View: https://twitter.com/news_ntd/status/1229247808512954368

NTD News @news_ntd
10:34 PM · Feb 16, 2020

"If we use gene editing and transform these bacteria and viruses, then we will be able to produce a more widespread and lethal super virus," #China's former military scientist Chen Hu said in 2018. The old video has recently sparked heated discussions online.

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My comment:
To be clear, because it's not obvious in the tweet, Chen Hu is NOT advocating this. He is saying genetic weapons are possible and that's why biological weapons should be considered weapons of mass destruction.

You can't embed videos from twitter but I found it on youtube.

China Bio-Weapon Research Programs
Feb 16, 2020
1min 30sec
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsRMHEAUMfo
 
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Heliobas Disciple

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South Korea Tracks Virus Patients’ Travels—and Publishes Them Online
Health authorities let public check if they crossed paths with those infected; legal powers and technology allow them to pin down people’s movements
By Eun-Young Jeong
Updated Feb. 16, 2020 8:43 am ET

SEOUL—As the Covid-19 virus began to spread last month, South Koreans didn’t have to wonder if they may have crossed paths with one of the country’s confirmed cases.

Patient No. 12 had booked seats E13 and E14 for a 5:30 p.m. showing of the South Korean film, “The Man Standing Next.” Before grabbing a 12:40 p.m. train, patient No. 17 dined at a soft-tofu restaurant in Seoul. Patient No. 21 drove her car to attend a weekday evening church service.

The reports, a digital diary of the individual’s life a few days before contracting the coronavirus, are made public on a Ministry of Health and Welfare website. Travel details of all 29 confirmed cases are noted in bullet points.

The online travel logs are made possible by one of the most ambitious tracking apparatuses in Asia. Health authorities can sift through credit-card records, CCTV footage, mobile-phone location services, public-transport cards and immigration records to pin down the travel histories of those infected or at risk.

Along with other preventive measures such as entry bans and quarantines, the tracking system has been used to limit the spread of the virus from China, the source of the outbreak. As of Saturday, South Korea has 29 confirmed Covid-19 cases, a modest total compared with China’s other neighbors but still the sixth-largest number after China, Singapore, Hong Kong, Thailand and Japan. While at least nine out of its cases were locally transmitted, no patients have required intensive-care treatment.

Other Asian governments have deployed tracking methods and shared the whereabouts of infected individuals, though their information is often cribbed together from face-to-face interviews. China, home to the majority of the more than 66,000 Covid-19 cases, monitors individuals with data provided by telecom firms, the railway bureau and airlines. Hong Kong monitors families quarantined at home with electronic wristbands. Taiwan tracks people who are under home quarantine using their mobile-phone signals.

But South Korea’s tactics stand out for the amount of detail authorities disclose to the public, an approach other countries have yet to adopt as they try to strike a balance between civil liberties and public-health demands.

As part of the coronavirus-prevention policy, travelers arriving in South Korea from mainland China, Hong Kong and Macau must provide their mobile number if they want to enter. They must also download a government mobile application to report their health status every day. If they fail to report their status two days in a row, the government will call them and eventually try to track their whereabouts.

Those who become infected aren’t named on the Ministry of Health and Welfare website, and they are notified that their personal information has been collected and recent whereabouts publicized. But patients can’t opt out or refuse inquiries.

South Korea’s methods would likely face a backlash, if not infringe on privacy laws, in many Western countries, experts say, particularly as the verdict on their usefulness isn’t out yet.

“We really don’t know a lot yet about the level of transmissibility of Covid-19,” said Linda Selvey, a public-health professor focusing on infectious diseases at the University of Queensland in Australia. “Such considerations are important when considering whether or not to release such a high level of details about a case.”

Use of “big data” can aid early detection and outbreak responses, said Abdi Mahamud, a senior World Health Organization official coordinating a Covid-19 response team in the western Pacific region. “However, this is an emerging field and caution needs to be taken on the interpretation of this kind of information,” Mr. Mahamud said.

Other health experts say digital technologies are becoming a more efficient—and accurate—way to monitor quarantined patients, rather than through the laborious task of home visits or telephone calls. “Using 21st century means of trying to track cases is an exciting addition to public health,” said William Schaffner, an infectious-disease expert at Vanderbilt University.

The reason why South Korean authorities have such latitude today—and the public’s support—results from a national reckoning spurred by a slow-footed response five years ago to an outbreak of Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, or MERS, an illness also caused by a coronavirus. The government failed to provide transparency at the early stages of the outbreak when little was known about the virus, according to a Ministry of Health and Welfare white paper published after the crisis.

The roughly two-month outbreak in 2015 left 186 people infected, 38 of whom died. It took weeks for the government to release critical information, like the names and locations of hospitals where infections had occurred. The government’s indecision led to uncertainty about how, and where, MERS was spreading.

The “index” case—patient zero—visited three different health facilities before being diagnosed with MERS. One of the individuals who contracted the virus from “patient zero” sickened more than 80 others.

Nearly seven in 10 South Koreans distrusted the South Korean government’s management of MERS, according to a 2015 poll by Realmeter, a Seoul-based research firm.

The public outcry sparked legislative changes even before authorities declared the MERS outbreak was over. South Korea revised its infectious-disease control and prevention law, handing public-health officials greater authority to shut down facilities and gain access to personal information for those infected or considered to be at risk.

It also strengthened fines for those who didn’t comply and established a 24-hour emergency center that monitors infectious diseases.

“There are institutional mechanisms now in place to identify movements of these people and publicize them,” said Jun Byung-yool, a former head of South Korea’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who had left before the MERS crisis.

As the Covid-19 threat began to emerge in January, South Korea’s new epidemiological infrastructure kicked into action. Hospitals now take individuals’ temperatures at the entrance. They have set up separate screening centers for at-risk patients and have more special wards in place for treating patients with infectious diseases. Doctors now can check patient databases to see if a patient has visited another medical facility or traveled abroad recently.

More than 55% of South Koreans approved of the approach taken by President Moon Jae-in’s administration, according to Realmeter. Mr. Moon has seen his approval ratings rise nearly 5 percentage points in recent weeks.

South Korea’s infectious-disease response could further tighten. Earlier this month, South Korean lawmakers proposed a revision to the infectious-disease law that would increase the penalty for those who break quarantine rules from 3 million won, or about $2,540, to 20 million won.
 

Marthanoir

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What I don’t understand how many people are not waking up to the fact of all this! They just say in a not a big deal way, oh it’s just the end of the world coming! They have no concept of the big picture! My Sister who isn’t in the best of shape and recently had bronchitis are flying to Ireland next month. My kids are flying to Las Vegas next month and flying me to their home to babysit! my Girlfriend is flying to Australia and New Zealand. I really think no one should go anywhere! But they all have their heads in the sand!

Tell her to avoid the bigger parades, there's a possible case being tested in Dublin.
We've already had 65 negatives and we all know about the negative tests don't we
 

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marsh

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Malaysia Bars Westerdam Cruise Passengers From Entry
By
Yudith Ho
February 16, 2020, 1:49 AM PSTCorrected February 16, 2020, 4:58 AM PST

Malaysia said it won’t allow any more passengers who had traveled on the Westerdam luxury cruise ship to enter, after an American woman who flew into the country was diagnosed with the coronavirus.


The 83-year-old woman and her husband were among 145 cruise passengers who flew from Cambodia on Feb. 14 on a Malaysia Airlines flight chartered by Holland America Line, which operates the ship. Malaysia canceled three other special flights that were supposed to bring more Westerdam passengers into Kuala Lumpur, Deputy Prime Minister Wan Azizah Wan Ismail said Sunday.

Cambodia allowed the liner to dock in the port city of Sihanoukville on Friday after being barred by countries including Japan and Thailand over fears it harbored the coronavirus. More than 2,200 passengers and crew disembarked, as Cambodia carried out health screenings on the passengers and cleared them to go back to their respective countries.

Malaysia cleared 137 Westerdam passengers to leave the country using other commercial flights, while six Dutch and American citizens are awaiting their test results, the health ministry said.


Fears of Global Coronavirus Contagion as 3,000 Cruise Passengers Go Home
By
K Oanh Ha
and
Yudith Ho
February 16, 2020, 7:53 AM PSTUpdated on February 16, 2020, 6:01 PM PST
  • Westerdam guests, crew released before infected case detected
  • U.S., Canada evacuating their nationals from cruise in Japan

    More than 3,000 travelers on two coronavirus-stricken Carnival Corp. cruise ships are returning home, fanning out to more than 40 countries and fueling fears of further contagion from the deadly virus.
The U.S. on Monday began evacuating its citizens from the Diamond Princess off Yokohama, Japan, where 70 new cases of the virus were confirmed over the weekend. Canada, Hong Kong and other countries also plan similar evacuations of hundreds. On Saturday, an 83-year-old American woman tested positive in Malaysia, a day after she and more than 2,200 others were cleared to leave the cruise ship Westerdam in Cambodia. The ship arrived there after being turned away by five other ports.

“This woman was on the boat and was infected for a few days -- she could have potentially exposed other people on the boat who have now gone home,” said Stanley Deresinski, a Stanford University professor and infectious disease specialist at the university hospital. “There’s a possibility that anyone who is infected and asymptomatic could start a chain of infection wherever they return to.”


U.S. Evacuate Citizens Onboard Diamond Princess Cruse Ship in Yokohama

A bus travels towards the Diamond Princess cruise ship docked at dusk in Yokohama, Japan, on Feb. 16.
Photographer: Toru Hanai/Bloomberg

The startling number of cases on the Diamond Princess, which accounts for the biggest cluster of coronavirus infections outside of China, and the newly detected case from the Westerdam raise questions about the effectiveness of containing the virus on cruise ships. Those concerns have prompted a growing number of Asian countries to block the luxury liners from their ports, threatening earnings of companies like Carnival and Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd.

“Cruise ships are very high-risk for transmission of illnesses,” said Jean-Paul Rodrigue, a professor of transport geography at Hofstra University in New York. “People are circulating all over, you’re using the same corridors, touching the same handles and railings. It’s easy to catch something.”
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The Westerdam spent two weeks in limbo before Cambodia permitted the ship to berth on Feb. 13. Passengers were allowed to leave the next day without a quarantine, and the American woman then traveled to Kuala Lumpur to seek a flight back to the U.S.
Malaysia has since said it won’t allow any more travelers from the Westerdam to transit through the country, causing the cancellation of three charter flights to shuttle passengers out of Cambodia.

Health experts are raising the alarm about the Westerdam passengers after their release without a quarantine order at a time when the death toll from the disease has topped 1,700 globally. Most countries planning evacuations of those on the Diamond Princess in Japan have also announced plans for quarantines upon return.

Westerdam passengers should at minimum be monitored by local health authorities and quarantine themselves, Deresinski and other health experts said. Authorities could also consider testing returning travelers from the ship if feasible, the Stanford doctor added.

“It doesn’t require prolonged exposure to be infected,” Stanford’s Deresinski said.

The incubation guideline for coronavirus is two weeks -- nearly the entire time the ship was on the sea after departing Hong Kong Feb. 1 and becoming a floating pariah. Because the ship was at sea for the required 14-day quarantine, passengers are free to travel after they leave the ship, a U.S. State Department spokesperson said.

Cambodia Allows Cruise Ship Free of Coronavirus to Dock.

Luggage is readied as passengers disembark the Westerdam cruise ship docked in Sihanoukville, Cambodia on Feb. 14
Photographer: Paula Bronstein/Getty Images AsiaPac

Holland America Line -- owned by Miami-based cruising giant Carnival -- has maintained there was no known case of the disease during the voyage. Knowing when the American woman was infected and by whom is key to determine the risk that other passengers may come down with the virus.

“I don’t know enough about this patient to know if it is possible they were infected prior to boarding, and had a long incubation period,” said Ben Cowling, a professor of epidemiology at Hong Kong University. “Perhaps it is more likely that they were infected on board, which suggests that there was at least one other case on board i.e. the person who infected them.”
The U.S. doesn’t have “sufficient evidence” to determine when she may have been exposed or where, said the State Department spokesperson.

Cruise Ship Outbreaks
The infected woman was cleared to travel from Cambodia after filling out a health questionnaire and undergoing temperature checks. After she and 144 other Westerdam passengers arrived in Malaysia to transit to other flights, the woman had a fever, was coughing and had difficulty breathing. Two tests confirmed the diagnosis, according to the health ministry. Her 85-year-old husband tested negative as did six other passengers who were quarantined.
U.S. Evacuate Citizens Onboard Diamond Princess Cruse Ship in Yokohama

Workers in protective suits open an entrance to the Diamond Princess cruise ship on Feb 16.
Photographer: Toru Hanai/Bloomberg

Cruise ships have struggled in recent years to battle isolated outbreaks of other maladies like the norovirus, a gastrointestinal illness that’s highly contagious. Still, the quarantine of entire ships due to coronavirus is unprecedented and threatens to upend the cruise industry in Asia and beyond. Vietnam became the latest country to say it wouldn’t allow a cruise ship to dock -- forcing the AIDAvita carrying more than 1,100 European passengers to cancel its plans to visit the country.

A strict quarantine on the Diamond Princess, operated by Princess Cruises also owned by Carnival, hasn’t abated infections, which have surged on the ship, while remaining contained in Japan. The 355 cases aboard compare with 59 for all of Japan, a country with a population of more than 125 million.

U.S. passengers leaving the ship will be subject to an additional 14-day quarantine. Those displaying symptoms will remain in Japan for quarantine, while anyone not boarding the flights will have to wait until March 4 at the earliest to return.

More than 600 Americans on the Westerdam are making their way home, the biggest group by nationality. About 233 guests and 747 crew remain on the ship in Sihanoukville, Cambodia, out of 2,257 who were on the voyage, according to a Holland America Line statement.

V. Padmanabha Rao, 81, and his 20-year-old grandson are still waiting for details on when they can leave the ship. The captain announced Sunday afternoon that remaining passengers will likely face a delay as Cambodian authorities plan additional health screenings that may include throat swabs, Rao said.

He and the other remaining passengers have been discussing the evacuations from the Diamond Princess, and hope their governments will do the same for those still in Cambodia.
“You can’t believe how crazy it’s been,” said Rao, who lives in Fredericksburg, Virginia. “The uncertainty is the worse part of everything.”

The retired thoracic surgeon said he and his grandson plan to quarantine themselves voluntarily for 14 days after getting home.

“I don’t want to endanger my neighbors, family or friends,” he said. “Maybe everyone on this boat should go on to a quarantine. That’s the only safe way to prevent any further spread back home.”

— With assistance by Jinshan Hong
(Updates with evacuations in second paragraph)
UP NEXT
Macau Casinos to Reopen; Cases on Cruise Ship Rise: Virus Update
Bloomberg News
February 16, 2020, 1:43 PM PSTUpdated on February 17, 2020, 2:14 AM PS


Beijing may delay a high-profile political meeting for the first time in decades because of the coronavirus outbreak that has infected more than 71,000 and killed 1,775 globally.

Countries stepped up evacuation efforts from the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan as the total number of infections jumped to 454 after 99 new cases were identified. Macau said casinos could reopen on Thursday.
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
In the spirit of good old American skepticism and savvy, what little of it may be left......

It is certainly past time to at least entertain the possibility that we are being played.....bigtime.

This deserves a place in the main thread, though it will undoubtedly ruffle the feathers of those who simply live for the next threatened ELE.(reference the recent thread regarding the killing of an Iranian general....yeah, I’m keeping close track of the panicked doom response, at this point. :) )


 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
In the spirit of good old American skepticism and savvy, what little of it may be left......

It is certainly past time to at least entertain the possibility that we are being played.....bigtime.

This deserves a place in the main thread, though it will undoubtedly ruffle the feathers of those who simply live for the next threatened ELE.(reference the recent thread regarding the killing of an Iranian general....yeah, I’m keeping close track of the panicked doom response, at this point. :) )



ELE?

Big Pharma has already proven themselves as a ELE for many unhealthy patients. Lining up for med’s like sheep outside a home improvement store for N-95’s...

Baaaaah

Not so much!
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Well, you ever see any pictures from Auschwitz or Birkenwold . The crematoria there were running 1,000 plus a day. Eyeglasses, shoes, etc., by the boxcar.

First thing that came to my mind when I saw that pile of phones.

Three, four, five or more ovens running 24 x 7 for one mortuary.
It's reasonable.

Ghastly, yes.


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I had exactly the same reaction to the pile of phones, I thought right away of the piles of shoes, watches, glasses etc left just outside the NAZI gas chambers.

Oh and those of you who think "only" Commies would lock up apartments and leave people to die inside need to look up Mary Kings Close in Scotland - terrified humans (and their governments) can react in remarkably similar ways.

OK, the tourist pages don't mention it but Mary Kings Close was a neighborhood in Engibourgh that was blocked off during a plague outbreak (17th century I believe) with both the dead and the living inside - the living were left to starve.

Today it is a tourist attraction having been uncovered, it is believed by many to be extremely haunted and no I haven't been down there, it was still closed up when I was there in the early 1990s and it isn't a place I want to go without Nightwolf or another person that knows me.
 

bw

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Jubilee on Earth

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Reuters‏Verified account @Reuters now31 seconds ago

With the coronavirus outbreak in China continuing to spread, McDonald’s, Starbucks and other fast-food companies ramp up 'contactless' pickup and delivery services

Yeah, but SOMEBODY is making that food, right? And then you have the delivery person traveling all around.

I just saw that video with the dead bodies that were left outside buildings, and the photo with the pile of cell phones. If those are real, and not fake, that mean this virus is much deadlier than we’re being led to believe. And that makes delivery food dangerous. Not that they have a choice, I suppose.

Those poor people in Wuhan. I pray for them daily.
 

Trivium Pursuit

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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Reuters‏Verified account @Reuters 6m6 minutes ago

China central bank cuts one-year MLF rate by 10 basis points to support virus-hit economy
Not familiar with the acronym. My brain wants to stick an "i" in there. :)

3.25%

The People's Bank of China (PBOC) said it was lowering the rate on 200 billion yuan ($28.65 billion) worth of one-year medium-term lending facility (MLF) loans to financial institutions by 10 basis points (bps) to 3.15% from 3.25% previously.
 

danielboon

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Fourteen Americans who were evacuated from a cruise ship in Japan on Monday were placed in segregated areas of a chartered flight after they were found to have the new coronavirus shortly before boarding the plane to the United States, American officials said.


The passengers were among more than 300 Americans aboard a cruise ship that was been quarantined in Yokohama for more than 10 days. United States officials initially said they would not allow infected people to board the evacuation flights, but appeared to reverse that decision early Monday.

“During the evacuation process, after passengers had disembarked the ship and initiated transport to the airport, U.S. officials received notice that 14 passengers, who had been tested 2-3 days earlier, had tested positive for COVID-19,” the State Department and Department of Health and Human Services said in a joint statement, referring to the disease caused by the new coronavirus.

The 14 infected passengers were moved into a specialized containment area on the evacuation aircraft, where they were to be isolated and monitored. They had been found to be asymptomatic and “fit to fly” before the evacuation, according to the statement.

At least one flight landed on Monday morning at Travis Air Force Base in Fairfield, Calif. All passengers on that flight will undergo a 14-day quarantine. Those that develop symptoms or test positive will be sent to “an appropriate location for continued isolation and care,” the statement added.

The United States has 15 confirmed cases of the new coronavirus. That number will nearly double when the 14 infected passengers arrive.


 

bw

Fringe Ranger
The 14 infected passengers were moved into a specialized containment area on the evacuation aircraft, where they were to be isolated and monitored. They had been found to be asymptomatic and “fit to fly” before the evacuation, according to the statement.

"Specialized containment area" = "Hang a curtain here". Very much doubt they had the equipment to set up a negative pressure area. Must have felt a little discomfiting for the other passengers.
 

Seeker22

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MY advice Do not buy ANYTHING from China for a while!
(after seeing that pile of must be close to a thousand dead patient's CELL PHONES piled in a corner of a Chinese crematorium, which have probably a week or two ago, started being listed for sale CHEAP on ebay, or some Chinese version of ebay!!

I threw that image into a Yandex reverse image search and had interesting results. Was from a scrap seller. Had nothing to do with a crematorium at all. I never isolated the actual photo, but did look at a couple that had a similar pile of phone scrap and the exact same tile floor. Somebody is messing with images to spread fear. Not nice.

I tried to translate the Mandarin but couldn't get it to copy into the Mandarin translator.

There are "people" who eat fear and death vibes like we eat candy.
Prove something three ways. Until then it is just a rumor. The truth might as well have been on the floor with those phones, as that is about what it is valued anymore for most.
For us, it is a precious treasure still and always.
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Long but a must read!!

Well then.
I’m not sure if this is just a highly creative pile of The Nastiest WOO I have ever read in my entire life or not , since it’s from a publication titled with UFO, but if it’s the truth I have no words.

None.
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
I threw that image into a Yandex reverse image search and had interesting results. Was from a scrap seller. Had nothing to do with a crematorium at all. I never isolated the actual photo, but did look at a couple that had a similar pile of phone scrap and the exact same tile floor. Somebody is messing with images to spread fear. Not nice.

I tried to translate the Mandarin but couldn't get it to copy into the Mandarin translator.

There are "people" who eat fear and death vibes like we eat candy.
Prove something three ways. Until then it is just a rumor. The truth might as well have been on the floor with those phones, as that is about what it is valued anymore for most.
For us, it is a precious treasure still and always.

yes, I wonder if the video from the bicyclist that was tweeted showing the dead bodies stacked on the sidewalk is from a movie scene or something. It’s too easy to send out misinformation.
 

20Gauge

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Max Howroute ▫‏ @howroute


#Coronavirus infection found after cruise ship passengers disperse. With more than a thousand passengers from the Westerdam headed for home, Dr. Schaffner said, it may be harder than ever to keep COVID19 outbreak contained. “This could be a turning point”.
View: https://twitter.com/howroute/status/1229262735722065920?s=21
Think about how many cruise ships and airplanes that are now contaminated by this stuff..... will they ever be clean enough? Not for me....
 

naegling62

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Global Times
@globaltimesnews


One of the new cases was diagnosed 34 days after returning from Wuhan, and another 94 days after coming in contact with a Wuhan resident. Both infection sources are unknown.
View: https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1229271541944221696?s=20
Ok, as for the overnight posts this one seems to be a big DOT! 94 days? Hmm..puts that contact back to mid November. We're getting closer and closer to the magical WOO date of October 28th.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
3.25%

The People's Bank of China (PBOC) said it was lowering the rate on 200 billion yuan ($28.65 billion) worth of one-year medium-term lending facility (MLF) loans to financial institutions by 10 basis points (bps) to 3.15% from 3.25% previously.
They are going to need to lower it much more than that..... when no one is shipping or making money, the rate needs to be about zero or negative to help the people / economy.....
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Rabbit fur, for one.

Sez the bear! :jstr:

Yes, there are many useful things, but how many are useful and throwaway so that you don't have to decontaminate them for reuse and waste water, soap, and disinfectant? TP is best in a sickroom. Guard yours like you would the food or ammo.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
In the spirit of good old American skepticism and savvy, what little of it may be left......

It is certainly past time to at least entertain the possibility that we are being played.....bigtime.

This deserves a place in the main thread, though it will undoubtedly ruffle the feathers of those who simply live for the next threatened ELE.(reference the recent thread regarding the killing of an Iranian general....yeah, I’m keeping close track of the panicked doom response, at this point. :) )



Never let a crisis go to waste. You don’t intentionally release a bug that could take out your economic and banking systems by quarantining whole cities and locking down your manufacturing and food production. But in the event it does happen there is an opportunity to implement some of your goals that a population wouldn’t put up with otherwise.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
You don’t intentionally release a bug that could take out your economic and banking systems by quarantining whole cities and locking down your manufacturing and food production. But in the event it does happen there is an opportunity to implement some of your goals that a population wouldn’t put up with otherwise.

Many agendas will be advanced by this catastrophe.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
many years ago, when we were discussing Y2K still, I posted a chart of the results of a BYU study of colloidal silver , but a quick search failed to find that chart, but there are still references to that study, and many of them indicate that the study showed that CS was effective against viruses.

From N-ergetics.com:

Colloidal Silver Is A Natural Antibiotic And A Natural Antiviral Silver Supplement.
Colloidal Silver has been used since the beginning of recorded history.
Colloidal Silver Finally Defined
Colloidal Silver by definition is suspended silver particles in distilled waterthat has a particle size small enough to migrate by osmosis through a cell wall membrane. This small size of particle in solution makes the solution “colloidal”. The virus cell is very tiny (microscopic). For a colloidal silver particle to be able to travel through a virus cell wall to smother the organism it must be a lot smaller than the thickness of a virus cell wall.
A colloidal silver particle of 0.001 micron in size can easily meet this criteria. The fuzzy math about particle size is very simple. 0.001 micron = 1 nanometer.
The particle size of colloidal silver can range from 1 nanometer to 1 micrometer*.
(Particles larger than 1000 nanometers are no longer considered colloidal.) One nanometer particle is so small that you could only see it through a microscope and equals one-billionth of a meter (approximately 39 inches). Both sizes are small enough to migrate through osmosis and pierce the cell wall of a virus.The nanometer sized particles that you smell of freshly baked cookies is so small that they can be carried through the air without being seen. **
The colloidal silver particles are so small they can penetrate your skin or digestive tract and be assimilated into the blood stream.
The particles of silver are also small enough to penetrate virus or bacteria*** cell walls killing the foreign cells without harming the human body.
Colloidal silver can come in various strengths and color, ranging from 5 parts per million (PPM) to 1100 PPM. The color appears water clear to muddy brown depending on the concentration of silver in the distilled water.****
The production of colloidal silver varies from that using a 9 volt battery to produce 5 PPM colloidal silver, a high voltage generator producing 20 PPM, to the oldest known, mild protein, colloidal silver up to 1100 PPM.
Colloidal silver has been used for thousands of years as an antibacterial agent and now an antiviral agent that was once a prescription prior to 1939. After the discovery of penicillin, colloidal silver is sold as an ‘over the counter’ supplement.
*HORIBA Scientific
** National Center for Biotechnology Information
***Brigham Young University
**** National Library of Medicine, National Institutes of Health
Colloidal Silver PPM (Parts Per Million)
Colloidal Silver 1100 PPM has 1100 parts of silver to one million parts of water. When Choosing PPM remember the 1100 PPM is diluted with 5 liters of blood when taken internally, further diluting the PPM of silver. Your choice of best colloidal silver PPM should include the purpose of use.
Common commercially produced colloidal silver strengths are 1100 ppm, 500 ppm, 30 ppm, and 20 ppm.
Will the Real Colloidal Silver Please Stand up?
Which Colloidal Silver is real? Ionic, non-ionic, real, meso, nano, true, atomic, protein, advanced, electrically produced and pharmaceutical grade ARE ALL MARKETING misnomers that the sellers use in an attempt to market their specific colloidal silver to you. Do not be confused, they are all colloidal silvers even the 5 PPM Colloidal Silver water produced with a 9 volt battery at home. When used externally the results are basically the same. When colloidal silver is taken internally it is diluted and greatly reduced in effectiveness depending on the PPM. This article in no way concurs that all colloidal silvers are the same. No claim is being made of the effectiveness of a specific silver product or what pathogens are treated with colloidal silver, but if it is viral, bacteria or fungi, then colloidal silver has been known to be the best choice. When diluted with 5 liters of blood, the results will vary…
No name above has purposely been excluded or included.
Colloidal Silver Today
To date colloidal silver is the ONLY known natural deterrent that kills virus, bacteria and fungus in the petri dish within 4 minutes. Super Bugs, MRSA, EEE, Staph, Pandemic Flu (influenza) salmonella and others no longer are controlled by antibiotics that worked on some for 70 years. However, all are killed by colloidal silver without hurting healthy cells.
Colloidal Silver consists of silver atoms suspended in distilled water. On a cellular level the silver particles are small enough to penetrate and destroy pathogens of all types, including bacteria, fungal spores, viruses, and parasites. Colloidal silver is an Immune Support supplement for the body. Although Colloidal Silver may work like a broad spectrum antibiotic, it is still called a supplement.
University studies show colloidal silver to be effective in killing over 650 organisms in laboratory tests, including yeast as in yeast infection, UTI as urinary tract infection and pink eye. Topical use is the most common use of silver. Colloidal Silver is tasteless, non-toxic to living tissue and is taken orally as a supplement.

Two time Nobel prize winner Linus Carl Pauling declared minerals are required for life. Dr. Pauling announced that mineral intake is inadequate for most Americans. Silver is a mineral found everywhere on the planet and in almost every plant and water source.
The viruses and bacterium that have grown resistant to the present day antibiotics, (especially those in the penicillin family) have mutated in as few as 17 days, making the vaccines for years later totally ineffective and useless. As a result, SUPERBUGS have developed a resistance to the penicillin family and only colloidal silver prevails as a working solution.

As of today no known pathogen has been able to build up a resistance to colloidal silver in the last 142 years and survive. All pathogens have died within minutes of being exposed to colloidal silver
Hippocrates, the father of modern medicine wrote of the use of silver for wound care more than 2,000 years ago,

Prior to refrigeration, silver coins were dropped into containers of milk to prevent bacteria proliferation in milk and cream.
Wagon trains placed silver coins in their water barrels to prevent bacterium build up.
Lancet, a United Kingdom medical journal, reported successful use of colloidal silver 1919.
Prior to the discovery of penicillin in 1928, Colloidal Silver was a prescription.
Dr. Bob Beck, created the first home generator to make electrically produced low voltage colloidal silver, 1995.

BYU University, Utah, tested colloidal silver on bacteria and virus pathogens. May, 2000,
Most hospitals worldwide use silver infused bedding and bandages to prevent infection.
For the last 70 years all newborn infants had their eyes flushed with silver at birth to prevent possible disease carried by the mother.

All burn centers immerse the victims in silver to prevent infection in the wounds.

June 6, 2006 The Wallstreet Journal reported:

ARC Outdoors uses silver infused fabric to produce antimicrobial socks for the U.S. military. ARC also sells to Wal-Mart, Bass ProShops, Cabela’s.
Curad USA, makers of hospital bandages and band-aids for home use that are lined with nano-silver particles.

Samsung Electronics has introduced laundry washing machines and new refrigerators that uses silver ions to sanitize the laundry.

Sharper Image has introduced plastic food storage containers that is infused with nano-silver particles to prolong freshness and retard spoilage.

Adidas, has licensed silver coated nylon fabric to incorporate antimicrobial silver in athletic and outdoor clothing for their ability to kill odors.

Doctors who use Colloidal Silver
Dr. Mercola, Dr OZ, Dr. Gerry Lemole, (Dr Oz’s father-in-law) Cardiologist,
Dr Sherry Rogers MD, Dr Loren Martin, professor emeritus, medical physiology, OSU
Dr. Josh Axe DC, Dr. Robert C. Beck, D.Sc., Dr. Bruce West, DC just to mention a few professionals who all use colloidal silver.
Is Colloidal Silver Toxic?
Toxicologist report Colloidal Silver is not toxic. Silver is in almost every water source worldwide. Of the 6 known cases of Argyria (the blue man), all used a silver nitrate product to excess or made their own concoctions of silver. No known cases exist of Argyria when used according to manufacturer’s suggested use.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
I had exactly the same reaction to the pile of phones, I thought right away of the piles of shoes, watches, glasses etc left just outside the NAZI gas chambers.

Oh and those of you who think "only" Commies would lock up apartments and leave people to die inside need to look up Mary Kings Close in Scotland - terrified humans (and their governments) can react in remarkably similar ways.

OK, the tourist pages don't mention it but Mary Kings Close was a neighborhood in Engibourgh that was blocked off during a plague outbreak (17th century I believe) with both the dead and the living inside - the living were left to starve.

Today it is a tourist attraction having been uncovered, it is believed by many to be extremely haunted and no I haven't been down there, it was still closed up when I was there in the early 1990s and it isn't a place I want to go without Nightwolf or another person that knows me.
Reads like a novelization. I don't buy it.

If you are referring to Melodi's post as a recent REDDIT or novelization, she shared this info 2-3 weeks ago....
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
If you are referring to Melodi's post as a recent REDDIT or novelization, she shared this info 2-3 weeks ago....
I am confused, I was commenting on the picture of the pile of phones (which may or may not be real but is supposedly from a crematorium photo) and it reminded me of similar photos from the death camps.

I didn't even read the "UFO" article, my eyes don't handle that light grey on white type that seems to be so popular right now - when I took a webpage making classes it was something they told us to avoid (12 years ago) because older eyes can't read it very well.

These days most of the time I just skip articles and sites that do this.
 

ktrapper

Veteran Member
Long but a must read!!

Sounds like the making for a sci fi movie script. While the writer tries to make it a long read with detail, the details are general and for the most part a bit vague. Most of what’s in there are bits and pieces from all over the internet. If he was legit and was going to the trouble of putting this out there one would think it would be more detailed. If it is 100% fatal then why bother putting it out there.
Plus if it was translated from Chinese to English, his English dang good. It could have easily been written in English then Google translated into Chinese to dupe the readers into thinking it was originally written in Chinese.
This one don’t quite pass the smell test for me.
I do enjoy reading things like this though. Gives the mind a workout.
 
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