Yeah...hanging around here over the years has always been a lesson in how very few people you'd actually want to allow into your bunker.
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SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I agree with bw where canned evaporated milk goes. That's what I have stocked up on. One thing to note....It's best if you empty the can of milk into a glass jar, and mix one can of water with it. It will make almost a quart of milk. Works great in almost all recipes calling for milk. I don't drink it, though. I believe the evaporated milk in cans have a longer shelf life than the powdered version.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
ALL of the "cured" (aka; survivors) going BACK into quarantine. Gee for how LONG??
Aw shucks. If you survived the gymnasium converted into a dying holding room with beds to die in, yer gonna go BACK and we get to take ANOTHER shot at getting you to die. DIE, DAMMIT!! DIE!!!
Aw shucks. If you survived the gymnasium converted into a dying holding room with beds to die in, yer gonna go BACK and we get to take ANOTHER shot at getting you to die. DIE, DAMMIT!! DIE!!!
Krayola
Veteran Member
I am really behind on this thread but I need to top off some preps and my membership to my local Sam's Club has expired. We have a Costco but it is a little over an hour away, so less convenient. Is Costco that much better tham Sam's Club? For those of you who have shopped at both, would appreciate your insight. I don't want to thread drift so just drop me a PM. Thanks
Bwahaha! Plugged lung capillaries don't work all that great transferring O2 to the bloodstream in the best of times. Lungs full of coronavirus crud and plugged capillaries? Even worse.
TxGal
Day by day
Oh my, I hope this helps ease your mind just a bit. We lived in San Antonio for about 7 years, give or take, and been in Texas a lot longer. One thing we noticed first off was that the big flu season here almost always coincides with the rodeo season. This year was the odd one, seemed like the flu season started in late fall and just never stopped.
I guess it's all those folks traveling around to see all the rodeos once the season kicks off. And, of course, they bring with them all their lovely germs. Prayers that it's just the regular flu and she recovers quickly.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Pretty much to a man or woman on the board we appreciate what you and other professionals have recommended to us. We are not your patients and you can’t give ’medical advice’ to people not under your care but we are very greatful for the recommendations that have been made and perhaps even more important to take your comments in order to read between the lines as to things you can’t come right out and say. Lot of bullshit coming from media and government and will be even more CYA after the fact from the same. Your input is very valuable and it’s very appreciated from the vast majority of us here.
zookeeper9
Veteran Member
At least in my area, I have found Costco to be just ok and is focused more on normal family sized items. Sam Club seems to have the bulk purchase items at much better prices which I am look for my family. My YMMV depending on your area.
Maybe do an online comparison of prices and items to see which would work best for you.
Are you aware that Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the CDC Director of the Center for the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, is the sister of the former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein who appointed Special Counsel Robert Mueller?
Do you think it is possible that she is exaggerating the situation and response to tank the economy before the election?
Did you know that it was reported that some employees of the CDC were crying when he was elected because they thought President Trump was anti-vax AND promised to eliminate O-care? Link: Atlanta CDC Employees Express Anxiety Over Trump’s Win. It's from WABE in Atlanta.
Also, for all of you thinking that this is the week when people will panic, let me remind you that the shelves were full of food even with confirmed cases of ebola in this country. Of course, the media was not trying to instill panic and fear as Dear Leader O was in power. So, we'll see how big of an influence the media actually plays in our society now.
Can we wait until we see actual mortality figures from Western nations before flying off in a panic? You absolutely cannot rely on numbers from China. Do you think they might be using this disease as cover for eliminating those with low social scores (5G anyone) there and in Hong Kong (seen any riots lately?)? If you were Chinese, and have a fever, would you turn yourself in? How about if you live in the United States; would you turn yourself in? No? Well, that tranlates into a much lower mortality rate then, doesn't it?
You need to use your critical thinking skills here. The enemy will never let a good crisis go to waste.
The leftist media WANTS you to panic this time; get it?!
bw
Fringe Ranger
The 3% figure comes from total deaths to total infected. The infected have not yet run their course. It's a bogus number.
rafter
Since 1999
I went to the link and down in the questions and answers it say country of origin "China".
If the Media wanted Panic there would be PANIC.. Her response was measured and informed and recommend the general public, hospitals and business get ready.
True, but I am thinking any way to possibly "cleanse" our bodies/organs to help get rid of this virus can't hurt.
Wuhan had a world class case of smog. Put cigarette smoking damage on top of that. We are talking about a virus here, one that can be found thought the body, and isn't just in the lungs. Corona-19 has nothing to do with the bacteria and fungi responsible for food spoilage. This isn't about hanging some leg-o-mastidon up over the camp fire.
Whatever. Lady, either do your OWN internet research, read a basic biology book, or maybe enroll yourself in a EMT/ PA program, and complete the considerable amount of required course work. Harassing people who gave their best information based on published science and years worth of clinical experience with actual patients is pretty damn lame. Nobody here owes you a damn thing.
Whatever. Lady, either do your OWN internet research, read a basic biology book, or maybe enroll yourself in a EMT/ PA program, and complete the considerable amount of required course work. Harassing people who gave their best information based on published science and years worth of clinical experience with actual patients is pretty damn lame. Nobody here owes you a damn thing.
bw
Fringe Ranger
Evaporated milk or condensed milk is reduced by 60%. That means a 12 ounce can of evaporated milk was originally 30 ounces, or just under a quart. So dump it into a quart jar and then add 18 ounces of water (1.5 cans). That means fill with water just short of a quart to get back where it started. If you add just a can, you're making it stronger than you need to.
Evaporated milk was developed before refrigeration was common, and it was the only way to get milk to people. Now it's used mainly for cooking, so the herd is not registering it as milk. You've still got time to pick it up.
Don't get the sweetened condensed milk for drinking, but if you want some around to make desserts while you hunker in your bunker, you can brighten faces with it.
We have powdered milk that is past its pull date, and I started looking at the evaporated milk a few weeks back. I popped open a couple cans that are easily 20 years old. They had separated into sludge and water, and after running the little immersion blender they were fine. Still tastes like milk.
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Hfcomms
EN66iq
No I don’t. She is not the head of the CDC or the deputy director for that matter. They are the ones that give guidance and everything that she says is approved by them because she does not set CDC policy. The question is is she/are they giving sound medical advice or not? They are way behind the power curve on this and as a nation we are not prepared for pandemic. They are trying to catch up and get ahead of it because they have to now.
Even if because of our sanitation we dodge the worse of it that isn’t going to put medicines and goods on our shelves that China isn’t making right now. This is bigger than the election and bigger than Trump if you have your eyes open to what is going on around the world.
Binkerthebear
Veteran Member
Flu vs. Covid19: Am I right in thinking the regular flu will die out in higher temps while Covid19 will not ?
that is the usual pattern here.
cyberiot
Rimtas žmogus
Our border collie of yore used to stand on her back twos and give me the BC Stare through the over-sink window when I was doing dishes. A couple times, I thought the aliens had come to abduct me.
Fast forward to now. When the Bad Man comes to the door, current dog, a border heeler, will roll over and demand a belly rub.
We use that milk all the time. After you open it stays fresh longer too. So far Dollar Store is the only place near us that carries it.
Great prep item!
SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Capt. Eddie
Veteran Member
We actually prefer Sam's, haven't had a Costco membership in years.
ALL vitamin C in the world is made in China! No other sources. Ain't globalism grand?!
Summerthyme
hiwall
Has No Life - Lives on TB
We always stock some of the Dollar Store shelf stable milk for times we run out of standard milk. Use by date is usually a year but we have used it well after the use by date with no issues.
Other stores (Walmart) stock shelf stable milk but Dollar Tree is always the cheapest place to buy it. For those that don't know it is just regular milk that has a higher/longer pasteurization. It comes in reg, 2%, and skim I think. We often buy the 2%.
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Does this make a difference?
I can’t find it listed on this size but on other sizes it lists Nov. 2016 as a current batch expiration date.
Does this make a difference?
mudlogger
Veteran Member
Except for Doctor's Best which is produced in Scotland I believe it's all from China.
Whether or not this virus infects many in our country, it has been our experience that being stocked with food and other necessities always pays off. It may be a job loss, natural disaster or other personal emergency or it may just be a hedge against rising prices or unavailable items, but it’s always a wise thing to do. No panic here, just determination to not be caught unaware.
bw
Fringe Ranger
Carnival/Mardi Gras - happening right now. In a month we'll know if it was a disaster.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
So now Ireland is starting up the "look at those silly people buying supplies ahead" article and I have news for whoever wrote this - if you think that 200 Euros (about 250 dollars) is "extreme" spending to top up some food, water and medications/supplies in the face of this, I think "you" are going to be facing some really tough times within the next couple of weeks.
Even if the only main thing that happens is that people panic and start buying everything and the supply chains have fallen apart, and even more so if there really are lockdowns, quarantines or just self-isolation.
www.independent.ie
'I bought a year's supply of rice' - meet the Irish people preparing for a potential coronavirus outbreak
Brian and Emanuela Gough with some of their food stockpile as a precaution to the spread of the coronavirus. Pic Provision
Aoife Walsh
February 26 2020 12:17 PM
Hand sanitiser, air filtering masks, rice, pasta, and cheese are among the necessities Irish people are bulk-buying in fear of the deadly coronavirus infecting Ireland.
News of a coronavirus outbreak in northern Italy earlier this week saw panic-stricken locals flock to the supermarkets, leaving shelves cleared of long-lasting necessities such as biscuits, pasta, and canned goods.
Here is a look at the total confirmed cases of Covid-19 across the world.
Fearful that a similar scene will play out here, tech worker, Roy Hennessy (38), has told of the drastic measures he has gone to in order to prepare for the possibility that the virus could make its way to Ireland.
Roy, who lives with his partner and two-year-old daughter in Dublin, said he has spent just under €200 on additional supplies that he hopes will carry his family though at least three months if an outbreak was to occur.
At the top of Roy’s shopping list is enough rice to last his family a year, pasta, meat, sauces, and cheese.
“I bought are 30 bags of rice, which is extremely cheap. But if you think about it that's €30 to buy 30 bags of rice. They're one kilogram each, and they're very cheap. That would survive us a year if necessary,” he told Independent.ie.
“I think it's most likely to last two or three months. But, just in case, other people are going to need it. I know my extended family aren't as organised as me so I'm going to have to give them the rice because they won't have prepared.
“I have huge bags of pasta, and these are extremely cheap. You've seen the bags in Tesco. Five kilograms of pasta for €2.65. I bought an awful lot of sauces for the rice which are about €1 each as well. It's not that expensive to prepare.
“That's the main thing you've got to remember, it's actually quite cheap. I've done it for I'd say under €200 in total for a three month shop,” he said.
“The rice will last for longer but I have enough to create dinners for three months, including meat, which is in the freezer, an awful lot of mince was bought over the last weekend.”
Roy said his preparations come after shops across Dublin were stripped bare after Storm Emma’s arrival in 2018.
“I think people will be expecting the government to provide for them, but they're not going to provide for them. You remember two years ago, almost exactly two years ago to the day when the snow storm came here.
“I couldn't find any food, I couldn't find any meat, I couldn't find anything to eat, and I got caught in that badly. And that went on for two or three days.
“This thing could go on for three months and I think, I think people should be prepared.”
Meanwhile, Cork couple Brian and Emanuela Gough have set up a Facebook group to help Irish people prepare for a potential coronavirus outbreak.
Emanuela is originally from Italy, where she worked as a nurse.
She said her parents are not living in northern Italy, but are still bracing themselves for the virus to possibly spread.
“My parents are in their seventies, and they live in different areas of Italy. Neither of them are in the affected zones, thank God.
“But, still the situation is not great. I was on the phone just last night with my mother and she said we didn't get any case yet but you can see that the situation is changing. She can't go to her GP because she can't get an appointment.
“My mother is sensible, but other people are just panicking, and stocking up on food, water and masks. I haven't got a mask so far. We will get some to wear if we are going to places that are overcrowded. So supermarkets, probably the doctor.
“The best precaution and the best prevention we can do is to stay at home as much as possible, and to block any possibility that the coronavirus can spread.
“I saw on the news a report that said it’s too early to start testing for the virus, but it’s actually too late, we need to start now.”
Brian, who works as a lorry driver, said the couple are doing their food shopping as soon as the supermarkets open in order to avoid mixing with potential carriers.
“To be honest with you, I get up at 6am every morning, so I like to lie in at the weekends, but we’ve been getting up early every weekend to go to the shops as soon as they open. We’re staying indoors as much as possible.
“We’re cautious of shaking hands with people. We’ve bought five big bottles of hand sanitiser and I have one with me in the car all the time,” he said.
While some may see their efforts as extreme, Shayne Phelan, survival expert with Eagle Ridge Survival group, said those who are stockpiling in fear of a coronavirus pandemic are doing so as their body is not ready for the “physical demands of survival”.
“I am not necessarily a prepper, I am a survivalist, but that being said there is a over spill with both.
“A lot of preppers are preparing for a number of potential disasters within civilisation and generally stockpile resources for what they feel is going to be the most likely event, whether that be a tsunami, a coronavirus pandemic or a solar flare,” he said.
“The weakness of prepping alone is that a lot of the preppers, but not all, have low level survival skills and maybe haven't prepared their body for the physical demands of survival, it really is too late to get fit when bell strikes.”
Dr Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer in the Department of Health, has previously said that there have been no confirmed cases of coronavirus in Ireland, and preparations are in place to assess how the virus spreading overseas could impact the country.
“Ireland has been working on its preparedness for Covid-19 (Coronavirus) since January. We remain in a containment phase and, to date, there have been no confirmed cases of Covid-19 here.
“However, clearly the international situation is evolving. We will work with counterparts at the ECDC and WHO over the coming days to fully assess and incorporate the implications of these developments into our approach in Ireland.
“Our public health advice currently remains unchanged - anyone who may have been in contact with a person who has COVID-19, or who has been to mainland China in the last 14 days, is advised to contact HSE Live. If they are unwell with cough, especially with respiratory symptoms (e.g. cough, high temperature, shortness of breath, difficulty breathing, fever) they should isolate themselves and phone their GP immediately.”
Online Editors
Even if the only main thing that happens is that people panic and start buying everything and the supply chains have fallen apart, and even more so if there really are lockdowns, quarantines or just self-isolation.
'I bought a year's supply of rice' - meet the Irish people preparing for a potential coronavirus outbreak
Hand sanitiser, air filtering masks, rice, pasta, and cheese are among the necessities Irish people are bulk-buying in fear of the deadly coronavirus infecting Ireland.
www.independent.ie
'I bought a year's supply of rice' - meet the Irish people preparing for a potential coronavirus outbreak
Brian and Emanuela Gough with some of their food stockpile as a precaution to the spread of the coronavirus. Pic Provision
Aoife Walsh
February 26 2020 12:17 PM
Hand sanitiser, air filtering masks, rice, pasta, and cheese are among the necessities Irish people are bulk-buying in fear of the deadly coronavirus infecting Ireland.
News of a coronavirus outbreak in northern Italy earlier this week saw panic-stricken locals flock to the supermarkets, leaving shelves cleared of long-lasting necessities such as biscuits, pasta, and canned goods.
Here is a look at the total confirmed cases of Covid-19 across the world.
Fearful that a similar scene will play out here, tech worker, Roy Hennessy (38), has told of the drastic measures he has gone to in order to prepare for the possibility that the virus could make its way to Ireland.
Roy, who lives with his partner and two-year-old daughter in Dublin, said he has spent just under €200 on additional supplies that he hopes will carry his family though at least three months if an outbreak was to occur.
At the top of Roy’s shopping list is enough rice to last his family a year, pasta, meat, sauces, and cheese.
“I bought are 30 bags of rice, which is extremely cheap. But if you think about it that's €30 to buy 30 bags of rice. They're one kilogram each, and they're very cheap. That would survive us a year if necessary,” he told Independent.ie.
“I think it's most likely to last two or three months. But, just in case, other people are going to need it. I know my extended family aren't as organised as me so I'm going to have to give them the rice because they won't have prepared.
“I have huge bags of pasta, and these are extremely cheap. You've seen the bags in Tesco. Five kilograms of pasta for €2.65. I bought an awful lot of sauces for the rice which are about €1 each as well. It's not that expensive to prepare.
“That's the main thing you've got to remember, it's actually quite cheap. I've done it for I'd say under €200 in total for a three month shop,” he said.
“The rice will last for longer but I have enough to create dinners for three months, including meat, which is in the freezer, an awful lot of mince was bought over the last weekend.”
Roy said his preparations come after shops across Dublin were stripped bare after Storm Emma’s arrival in 2018.
“I think people will be expecting the government to provide for them, but they're not going to provide for them. You remember two years ago, almost exactly two years ago to the day when the snow storm came here.
“I couldn't find any food, I couldn't find any meat, I couldn't find anything to eat, and I got caught in that badly. And that went on for two or three days.
“This thing could go on for three months and I think, I think people should be prepared.”
Meanwhile, Cork couple Brian and Emanuela Gough have set up a Facebook group to help Irish people prepare for a potential coronavirus outbreak.
Emanuela is originally from Italy, where she worked as a nurse.
She said her parents are not living in northern Italy, but are still bracing themselves for the virus to possibly spread.
“My parents are in their seventies, and they live in different areas of Italy. Neither of them are in the affected zones, thank God.
“But, still the situation is not great. I was on the phone just last night with my mother and she said we didn't get any case yet but you can see that the situation is changing. She can't go to her GP because she can't get an appointment.
“My mother is sensible, but other people are just panicking, and stocking up on food, water and masks. I haven't got a mask so far. We will get some to wear if we are going to places that are overcrowded. So supermarkets, probably the doctor.
“The best precaution and the best prevention we can do is to stay at home as much as possible, and to block any possibility that the coronavirus can spread.
“I saw on the news a report that said it’s too early to start testing for the virus, but it’s actually too late, we need to start now.”
Brian, who works as a lorry driver, said the couple are doing their food shopping as soon as the supermarkets open in order to avoid mixing with potential carriers.
“To be honest with you, I get up at 6am every morning, so I like to lie in at the weekends, but we’ve been getting up early every weekend to go to the shops as soon as they open. We’re staying indoors as much as possible.
“We’re cautious of shaking hands with people. We’ve bought five big bottles of hand sanitiser and I have one with me in the car all the time,” he said.
While some may see their efforts as extreme, Shayne Phelan, survival expert with Eagle Ridge Survival group, said those who are stockpiling in fear of a coronavirus pandemic are doing so as their body is not ready for the “physical demands of survival”.
“I am not necessarily a prepper, I am a survivalist, but that being said there is a over spill with both.
“A lot of preppers are preparing for a number of potential disasters within civilisation and generally stockpile resources for what they feel is going to be the most likely event, whether that be a tsunami, a coronavirus pandemic or a solar flare,” he said.
“The weakness of prepping alone is that a lot of the preppers, but not all, have low level survival skills and maybe haven't prepared their body for the physical demands of survival, it really is too late to get fit when bell strikes.”
Dr Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer in the Department of Health, has previously said that there have been no confirmed cases of coronavirus in Ireland, and preparations are in place to assess how the virus spreading overseas could impact the country.
“Ireland has been working on its preparedness for Covid-19 (Coronavirus) since January. We remain in a containment phase and, to date, there have been no confirmed cases of Covid-19 here.
“However, clearly the international situation is evolving. We will work with counterparts at the ECDC and WHO over the coming days to fully assess and incorporate the implications of these developments into our approach in Ireland.
“Our public health advice currently remains unchanged - anyone who may have been in contact with a person who has COVID-19, or who has been to mainland China in the last 14 days, is advised to contact HSE Live. If they are unwell with cough, especially with respiratory symptoms (e.g. cough, high temperature, shortness of breath, difficulty breathing, fever) they should isolate themselves and phone their GP immediately.”
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Zahra
Veteran Member
Aint, think about what you said for a moment. If your theory about smoking was true then smokers wouldn't be as prone to frequent bouts of bronchitis and other respiratory ailments as they are!
Skipping over the the long term health problems smoking causes, and focusing closely just on the obvious complications in relation to flu or Covid-19, bear in mind that smoke irritates the respiratory system and causes inflammation - which in turn causes the body to respond to try to counteract the inflammation, so there's going to be more congestion and mucus production along with loss of elasticity in the lungs which further reduces the ability for efficient oxygen exchange.
So, smoking is one of the worst things a person could choose to do when trying to stave off or fight against Covid-19. If you smoke, please try to quit.
coalcracker
Veteran Member
Grabbing more Vitamin C today.
Good time to remind myself how to make some great tasting (I hope) tea from pine needles (packed with Vitamin C):
Pine Needle Tea Recipe
20Gauge
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Singapore and several hot locations says your are correct...
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
Darn.... then why do I have lemon trees ???
What a waste of money on my part...... I really need to do better!!!!
mudlogger
Veteran Member
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SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yeah, whatever works best for you. I like buying the evaporated milk, because of it's shelf life for longer term storage. I've used canned milk that was 3 yrs. past it's expiration date, with no problems.
