Prep Genrl "A Year Without the Grocery Store"

nomifyle

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One of my favorite utube creaters , "Jamerill Stewart" has been recommending this book for a couple of years. I finally bought it, its a small book, not really expensive. I think it would be very helpful for newer preppers, not too sure how helpful for seasoned preppers. I'll probably find something helpful in it for me, there are different ways of doing things.
 

SouthernBreeze

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One of my favorite utube creaters , "Jamerill Stewart" has been recommending this book for a couple of years. I finally bought it, its a small book, not really expensive. I think it would be very helpful for newer preppers, not too sure how helpful for seasoned preppers. I'll probably find something helpful in it for me, there are different ways of doing things.

Sounds interesting! I'll have to look into ordering it, myself. I'm always looking for new ideas.
 

aviax2

Veteran Member
I have that book on my “to be read pile”. I think it also has a companion work book but I thought I’d wait and read the book first before deciding if I wanted to buy it.
 

nomifyle

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I have that book on my “to be read pile”. I think it also has a companion work book but I thought I’d wait and read the book first before deciding if I wanted to buy it.
I saw the workbook, but I didn't want to pay $25 for it. If you get it let us know if you think its worth the money.
 

anna43

Veteran Member
I appreciate the various prepping forums including this one and watch to learn, but I am not buying any $25 books!! That $25 would be better spent on preps.

My formula to determine the number of meals available in my preps is to look at meat servings. I know I have enough pasta, potatoes and rice to cover the carb portion for a year and the same with veggies. A can of tuna made into a casserole is easily 6 servings, a pint of ground beef made into a casserole 8 servings etc. So, a dozen cans of tuna equal 72 servings and 12 pints of gb equals 92 servings etc. through all the meat products stored. If a can of fruit says 3 servings, then use that calculation.

In a SHTF situation, serving sizes will need to be monitored for nutrition not satisfying appetites. Pretty simple to figure out if there is enough for a year. Maybe over simplified but easy and fairly accurate. Of course, I'm only planning for myself now, but I used the same process when dh was living. Teenagers can be loaded with carbs with nutritional amounts of meat, vegetables and fruit for both health and satisfying appetites.

Including treats such as cookies, puddings, etc. is also important to avoid feeling deprived and developing food fatigue. A box of graham crackers and a can of frosting can provide a quick sweet treat and are easy to store.
 

nomifyle

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I had the book on kindle unlimited and tried a couple of times to get into it. And now I just can't seem to start the book from the beginning. I thumbed through it and saw some interesting recipes and ideas, so I do think it has some beneficial information. Like many here I have a well stocked pantry with variety. One thing that would benefit me would be to figure out some recipes.

The other night at church we had walking tacos. It consisted of crushed taco chips in a bowl with all the taco fixings. Dh liked that it a lot, so we fixed it yesterday and again today. Yesterday I cut up some grape tomatoes for mine and I made more of a nacho thing and it was quite good. However today I used diced canned tomatoes and it wasn't so good. The tomatoes needed salt and maybe sizzled in a skilled for a few minutes. I'll try that next time.
 

connie

Veteran Member
I have books that tell you how to calculate amounts of ingredients. Over the years I have come to the conclusion that for me it is impossible to keep and rotate. In a very long term emergency we would not be eating like we do today.

Will food be rationed like in war time England? Will all grocery stores close?

Good suggestion to look at serving size. We will have to be wise stewards of our food. And
 

Aglaope

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One of my favorite utube creaters , "Jamerill Stewart" has been recommending this book for a couple of years. I finally bought it, its a small book, not really expensive. I think it would be very helpful for newer preppers, not too sure how helpful for seasoned preppers. I'll probably find something helpful in it for me, there are different ways of doing things.
I love Jamerill’s video’s. I’ll have to look at the book. I have also been watching Three Rivers Homestead. Both large family cooking mothers.
 

oops

Veteran Member
Just remember...no grocery stores for a yr... extrapolates out to means a lot more manual labor...which equals a need for higher carb basically...so a yrs supply by current standards may only last 6-9 months under the proposed premise...n in some cases possibly less...
 

33dInd

Veteran Member
Frankly
Grocery store close then there’s gonna be a whole lot of dead folk including a lot of us
Violence
Raids
Govt military action
Not being pessimistic just practical

Frankly I think it would be impossible to stockpile for a full year

There I said it
 

Aglaope

Inactive
Just remember...no grocery stores for a yr... extrapolates out to means a lot more manual labor...which equals a need for higher carb basically...so a yrs supply by current standards may only last 6-9 months under the proposed premise...n in some cases possibly less...
I sure am hoping to negate some of the high carb foods with a year round garden of seasonal veggies, fresh eggs and peaches, strawberries and blueberries grown on your land. And we have nut trees that should start bearing in another couple of years. Fingers crossed.
 

Aglaope

Inactive
Frankly
Grocery store close then there’s gonna be a whole lot of dead folk including a lot of us
Violence
Raids
Govt military action
Not being pessimistic just practical

Frankly I think it would be impossible to stockpile for a full year

There I said it
I hear and feel you. It can be overwhelming to start and where and what to buy first. Along with that just finding storage for it all of it can be problematic. I have friends who have turned their spare bedrooms into pantries. Many of us realistically do not have that option. So what can you do for some peace of mind?
  • Don’t go into debt buying up a bunch of items you have no way to use. Key word - don't spend money you don’t have. Be a turtle - slow but sure progress.
  • Start small - decide what means you have to fix food. Use common sense and don’t buy wheat berries if you don’t have mill to grind them. If you don’t bake now - and you want to- start practicing. You can always add flour to your preps as your skills increase.
  • Look at canned goods - pickup a couple cans a week. Ready to eat soup, beans, any vegetable really. They usually have a long shelf life. And you would be surprised how many you can pack in containers under the bed.
  • I only store what we eat. You can start with the meals you find yourself going to each month. Gather those items and try to work toward having a month of meals. Storing a month is usually doable at minimum to most. See how you do with that then move up to 2 months.
  • Try not to compare yourself to what others have. You do you.
  • And if you never get more than a month out - that will give you some peace of mind. You will more likely need your preps for an economic reason such as job or income loss rather than a catastrophic event.
Good luck! You got this.
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
Just remember...no grocery stores for a yr... extrapolates out to means a lot more manual labor...which equals a need for higher carb basically...so a yrs supply by current standards may only last 6-9 months under the proposed premise...n in some cases possibly less...
I'm not sure I understand this. What higher carb food are you talking about that is needed. We are not bread eaters nor do I store much in the way of boxed foods and besides raisins and nuts I don't store junk food. We do eat the occasional pizza though. I don't bake cakes and cookies, we don't eat cereal either. Basically two meals a day. Sometimes we have air popped pop corn as a snack. I bake a pie every few months are so. We don't eat much in the way of pasta, although I do store some, we don't eat rice at all, but I have stored basmati rice which is lower on the glycemic index. We eat eggs for breakfast, no pancakes, a rare bisquit and sausage gravy every few months.

My pantry containes enough food for up to two years. I'm not the only one on this forum that has at least one room designated to store food.

Ingredients for food does take longer to prepare but I've always pretty much cooked that way.
 

summerthyme

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I'm not sure I understand this. What higher carb food are you talking about that is needed. We are not bread eaters nor do I store much in the way of boxed foods and besides raisins and nuts I don't store junk food. We do eat the occasional pizza though. I don't bake cakes and cookies, we don't eat cereal either. Basically two meals a day. Sometimes we have air popped pop corn as a snack. I bake a pie every few months are so. We don't eat much in the way of pasta, although I do store some, we don't eat rice at all, but I have stored basmati rice which is lower on the glycemic index. We eat eggs for breakfast, no pancakes, a rare bisquit and sausage gravy every few months.

My pantry containes enough food for up to two years. I'm not the only one on this forum that has at least one room designated to store food.

Ingredients for food does take longer to prepare but I've always pretty much cooked that way.
I think what she means is people doing the manual labor required to actually produce their own food... or heat, or even doing all household chores by hand.I.. will consume a lot more calories than they currently require to live and maintain weight..

Unless you have a *-ton* of canned meat, your own chickens and a dairy cow... you simply won't be able to get the 3500 to 5000 calories a day using mostly protein.

The traditional diet included a LOT of "fillers"... potatoes, beans, wheat bread or cornbread, pasta, rice...

It will again, except for a fortunate few.

Summerthyme
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Frankly
Grocery store close then there’s gonna be a whole lot of dead folk including a lot of us
Violence
Raids
Govt military action
Not being pessimistic just practical

Frankly I think it would be impossible to stockpile for a full year

There I said it
When the bear starts chasing you and your buddies, you only have to outrun everybody else.
plunking yourself down where your neighbors are a considerable distance away, Means you have a head start to scoot out into the back of beyond before the herd arrives at your bugout shack.

with “luck”, maybe 5-15’ of snow arrives - or a truly scary epidemic where nobody dares to leave their houses - just before the “emergency” causes everyone to realize ts just htf.
 

Barry Natchitoches

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Unless you have a *-ton* of canned meat, your own chickens and a dairy cow... you simply won't be able to get the 3500 to 5000 calories a day using mostly protein.

The traditional diet included a LOT of "fillers"... potatoes, beans, wheat bread or cornbread, pasta, rice...

It will again, except for a fortunate few.

Summerthyme
i agree with you.

But a few more protein ideas:

Peanut butter is an economical protein that stores well. I have lots of peanut butter stored up. Crackers with peanut butter can make a whole meal in a pinch.

Powdered milk is not all that great, but I have some coffee creamer, Nestle strawberry Quik, powdered cocoa and sugar stored along side the powdered milk, to make that source of protein more palatable.

Whole nuts are not cheap. But they are a good source of protein and healthy fats, and don’t take up alot of storage space. A handful of nuts can usually soothe hunger pains.

Beans and rice can make up a complete protein, and are easy to store.
 

SouthernBreeze

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The way I've always understood it, in a world where almost everything is done by manual labor, one will need more carbs (calories) than we do now. That's why I have a lot of carb heavy foods stored. Rice, pasta, potatoes, beans, flour, cornmeal, and etc. We eat those on a regular basis now, and no weight gain. We don't sit around all day, though.
 

Kewpie

Senior Member
The way I've always understood it, in a world where almost everything is done by manual labor, one will need more carbs (calories) than we do now. That's why I have a lot of carb heavy foods stored. Rice, pasta, potatoes, beans, flour, cornmeal, and etc. We eat those on a regular basis now, and no weight gain. We don't sit around all day, though.
Don’t forget your fats! I probably end up throwing fats away faster than I can really use them, TBH. But things like crisco, lard, (or butter in the freezer) is fairly cheap, and I try to find interesting ways to use it up.
 

SouthernBreeze

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Don’t forget your fats! I probably end up throwing fats away faster than I can really use them, TBH. But things like crisco, lard, (or butter in the freezer) is fairly cheap, and I try to find interesting ways to use it up.

I've a substantial supply of bacon grease, lard, and butter, plus other oils. I keep a well balanced pantry. The only food that I don't use a lot of is sugar. I keep around 80 lbs just to make occasional treats.
 

Kewpie

Senior Member
I've a substantial supply of bacon grease, lard, and butter, plus other oils. I keep a well balanced pantry. The only food that I don't use a lot of is sugar. I keep around 80 lbs just to make occasional treats.
That’s honestly been the hardest part of prepping. Traditional ‘prep’ foods are not really part of our daily diet, as we tend to be low carb/low sugar. It’s a balancing act, for sure!
 

anna43

Veteran Member
Just remember...no grocery stores for a yr... extrapolates out to means a lot more manual labor...which equals a need for higher carb basically...so a yrs supply by current standards may only last 6-9 months under the proposed premise...n in some cases possibly less...
The good part about carbs is that wheat, rice, pasta and dried potatoes are easy and inexpensive to store. Sugar is not so cheap but is good for long term storage. Sugar is also useful in preservation of foods.

Meat will become a small addition to meals.

Complementary proteins such as beans/rice (there are many more combinations) can provide needed protein without meat. Recipes for a Small Planet by Ellen Burchman Ewald and Diet for a Small Planet by Frances Moore Lappe are two books that provide that information. I'm not personally fond of most vegetarian/vegan dishes but imagine I could eat them if that's all that was available. Unfortunately, due to health issues I can no longer eat beans which I absolutely love.

Kewpie, diets will of necessity change in a SHTF situation. Try to store enough of the foods you are used to and, I assume prefer, so that you can transition slowly into the storage foods or at least have a few meals of the preferred foods. For instance, I love fresh or frozen peas, but I store canned peas. I currently eat mostly frozen but will open a can occasionally just so I'm "used" to the taste/texture.
 

jward

passin' thru
One of my favorite utube creaters , "Jamerill Stewart" has been recommending this book for a couple of years. I finally bought it, its a small book, not really expensive. I think it would be very helpful for newer preppers, not too sure how helpful for seasoned preppers. I'll probably find something helpful in it for me, there are different ways of doing things.
The gal who did that year long experiment posted here, didn't she? Perhaps it was on Homesteading today... either way, she chronicled the whole year as she went through it. . .
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Everyone here has good ideas and good advise.

A couple other things.
If things are bad you might not have electric for the fridge so your meals will have to sized correctly so there are no left-overs.
Also do you have way to make meals if the power is out?
 
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jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
i agree with you.

But a few more protein ideas:

Peanut butter is an economical protein that stores well. I have lots of peanut butter stored up. Crackers with peanut butter can make a whole meal in a pinch.

Powdered milk is not all that great, but I have some coffee creamer, Nestle strawberry Quik, powdered cocoa and sugar stored along side the powdered milk, to make that source of protein more palatable.

Whole nuts are not cheap. But they are a good source of protein and healthy fats, and don’t take up alot of storage space. A handful of nuts can usually soothe hunger pains.

Beans and rice can make up a complete protein, and are easy to store.
Most nuts will go rancid unless you freeze them...
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
Maybe 15 years or so ago I stored 300# or more of wheat berries, corn, rice, beans, and sugar. In addition to that I have more than a years worth of canned foods from the grocery and also some long term storage food. As Dh says we probably won't live long enough to eat it all. Some of the LTFS foods have not held up well, but only a small portion.

I lost a case of butter (I forget the brand) and some pancake mixes but they were never supposed to last more than about 5 years.
 

summerthyme

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Yes, we originally prepped for the whole family... our kids were older teens and college students at Y2k. In 2014, we decided to get all the bucket storage organized, and hubby helped me build an "E shaped" storage area, with shelves 3 high, sturdy enough to hold 6 gallon pails of wheat.

When we stocked them, we opened every pail and inspected them. Maybe 3 or 4 had lost their vacuum seals, and the only stuff in them that went rancid was the rolled oats. And one pail of beans somehow split on the bottom, and got water and bugs inside the mylar bag! Ooh, that was nasty!

But everything else was still perfect. We opened a couple items from years that i hadn't tried in awhile,, and once they were proven fine, added more O2 absorbers and resealed them.

I expect it will outlast us...

Summerthyme
 
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inskanoot

Veteran Member
You can dry can them in canning jars in the oven, and they will last a long time.
The oven canning technique appears to be controversial, at least for some applications.


Promoted from time to time as a “new” home canning technique, “oven canning” is actually an old technique. It has been around since at least the 1920s — and it has been discredited and advised against since the 1940s.

It involves “baking” your filled jars of food in the oven, instead of water bath processing them, or pressure canning them.

See also: Oven sterilization of Mason jars

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The problems with oven canning​

The main problem is that the food inside jars doesn’t get hot enough consistently enough to ensure that proper heat penetration has taken place to ensure the biosafety of the product inside the jars.

The dry heat of an oven just can’t achieve the same guaranteed result that the two authorized canning methods can. Dry air is a poor conductor of heat — in fact, air period is a poor conductor of heat (that is why pressure canners are vented first.)

The authors of Putting Food By say,

The folklore of homemaking has another bad method that continues to surface: trying to process foods by baking them. ….Dry heat just plain cannot produce the same effect as boiling water, either at atmospheric pressure or under extra pressure, can.” [1]
Some advocates of oven canning argue that the 120 to 150 C (250 F to 300 F) setting on the oven dial means that you are getting higher temperatures than inside a pressure canner. The problem is the temperature on your oven dial is not the same as the temperature inside foods in the oven.

Take a pork loin roast, bone-in, in an oven set to 180 C / 350 F / Gas mark 4 to 5. For well-done, you cook the roast 25 minutes per 500 g (pound). A small 2 kg (4 pound ish) roast will want 100 minutes ( 1 hour 40 minutes) for well-done. At which point, a meat thermometer inserted into the pork should register about 71 C / 160 F. So even though the oven was set to 180 C / 350 F , after 1 ¾ hours the internal temperature of the food is not even half that: 71 C / 160 F . The inside of the food is nowhere near the dial temperature selected.

The same difference occurs inside jars.

Even if you can get something to boil inside a jar in the oven, the contents of that jar will not get hotter than 100 C / 212 F. It can’t as there is no pressure in an oven. That’s nowhere near enough to kill off botulism spores that could be present in low-acid foods such as green beans or meat.

Martha Zepp at Penn State Extension says,

Occasionally people ask about processing jars in the oven. They claim a friend or neighbor promotes it as a simple method of canning. What they fail to understand is that oven heat is not the same as heat from a boiling water bath or from steam in a pressure canner.
  1. First of all, placing jars in the dry heat of the oven may cause the glass to crack and shatter causing injury to you. The Jarden Company that manufacturers most canning jars in this country states emphatically that it is not safe to heat glass jars in the dry heat of an oven. Jars are not designed to withstand oven temperatures and can break or even explode causing injury from broken glass.
  2. Secondly, dry heat is not comparable to the moist heat of a boiling water bath. Processing in an oven will not heat the contents in the coldest part of the jar in the same way as boiling water.
  3. Thirdly, oven heat will not increase the temperature inside the jar above boiling to be adequate to destroy botulism spores in low acid foods. Only in the enclosed conditions of a sealed pressure canner will you be able to increase the internal temperature to 240°F. Oven canning is not recommended! ” [2]
Kacey Christian at the National Center for Home Food Preservation says,

Using the oven method is NOT a recommended method of canning for green beans or any other food. It is dangerous because dry heat is slow to penetrate into jars (so recommended process times would not be enough), temperatures inside ovens vary (so a standard process time would be indeterminable), and no reliable, research-based safe process times have been developed for oven canning.” [3]

Oven canning explosions​

A Facebook canning group member posted the following account of an oven canning mishap in her home:

My mother canned beans way back in 1942 and one jar cracked and exploded in the oven. The whole thing blew up and could be heard a mile away. She was in the hospital for almost 2 months. Years after, shards of glass worked its way up through her skin!! It was awful! She has scars all over her arms / neck, etc. NEVER PUT JARS IN THE OVEN!! Please!!”
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Oven canning’s defenders​

You will see sites where people defend oven canning and you will see the usual “ain’t no one died yet.” You will hear, “my grandmother’s done it for years.”

One blogger says it’s a hotly debated topic. There might be a raging debate in that person’s cranium, but in the outside realm of reality, where all the accepted professionals and authorities lives, the debate has been settled for 80 years: don’t touch oven canning with a 10 foot pole.

Some of the advice you will see includes:

  • There are recommended oven canning times from 60 years ago, I can look them up for you;
  • As long as you get the air temperature to 250 degrees F you are fine. To be extra safe, get a real oven thermometer that goes inside the oven as most oven thermostats are off a bit. I also keep a clay oven genie on my stove;
  • For oven canning, just pre-heat the oven then turn it off and stick the jars in.
If someone has the bad habit of oven canning, nothing is going to break them of it, it seems, and they will fight back savagely to defend it.

If you are just starting canning, don’t acquire this bad habit.

Oven canning dry goods​

Some people use oven canning to seal jars of dry goods.

Oven canning dry things can actually shorten the lifespan of items like grains, flour, pasta, nuts, etc because the heat speeds up the process of their going rancid. Instead of oven canning, many preppers recommend looking at vacuum storage instead.

Note that dry oven canning of nuts is specifically recommended against now; one of the specific risks is salmonella.

The National Center for Home Food Preservation says,

Can I can shelled nutmeats? We no longer recommend canning a dry pack of shelled nutmeats at home. The previous canning process from the University of Georgia was a way to create a vacuum-sealed jar, but there is no documentation for any microbial sterilization that might have been taking place. More recent research has shown that some species of Salmonella are tolerant of drier (low water activity) conditions, and based on this information, canning nutmeats in a dry pack could be potentially hazardous using the directions we previously had if any condensation or moisture pockets formed inside the jar. There is not a substitute canning process for preserving dry packs of nutmeats at this time. There are other options for vacuum sealing of dry meats for either room or freezer storage, using small appliances which pull air out of packages before sealing.” [4]
You can however use your oven for food dehydration (if the economics of running the oven for long periods to do that work out where you live.)


Oven canning has been advised against for over 80 years now.

Oven Dry Pack versus Oven Wet Pack​

Some people, in New Zealand in particular, divide Oven Canning into two types of Oven Canning: Dry Pack and Wet Pack. (Note that any oven canning at all is recommended against by the USDA as risky and unsafe in terms of food safety. This is being covered in the interest of thoroughness.)

Oven Dry Pack​

Food was baked in a jar on its own, then after baking the jar was filled with hot liquid and then sealed. It was used for fruits other than light coloured fruits. Not for tomatoes.

The oven was heated to 120 C / 250 F / Gas Mark ½. Pack fruit in jars with no liquid. Lids put on but not secured on with either bands or clips. Put in oven; baked for amounts of times called for. When done, remove a jar from oven, remove lid, top up jar immediately with boiling water or syrup, put lid back on and secure lid down.” [5]

Oven Wet Pack​

Food was baked in a jar topped up with liquid, then after baking the jar was sealed. Was advocated for fruit and tomatoes.

The oven was heated to 150 C (300 F / Gas Mark 2). Bottles filled and lids put on but not secured on with bands or clips. Bottles put in oven on top of something in case they boiled over. Baked for processing time, then lid fasteners applied to clamp the lids down and get them to seal as they cooled. [6]

Where is this dry vs wet oven canning notion coming from?​

The whole technique is very dated, but is unfortunately revived from time to time by an unwary blogger. It’s possible it is being picked up from a book titled, “How to Store Your Home Grown Product” by John Harrison ( London: Constable and Robinson. 2010. Chapter 7.) He in turn appears to be picking it from an earlier book, perhaps from Good Housekeeping UK in 1964.

good housekeeping 1964

Good Housekeeping’s Jams & Preserves. London: The National Magazine Co. 1964. page 22 .

The history of oven canning​

For the record, here is a book on oven canning from 1928. It was put out by the Lorain Oven Heat Regulator company. The heat regulator they made and advertised was what we would now call a thermostat.

Shank, Dorothy E.. Lorain Oven Canning. Cleveland, Ohio: American Stove Company. 1928 .

Note that the book says, “Increase the length of the processing period 20% when canning at high altitudes.” (Page 4). People advocating oven canning today don’t even take altitude into account. Be that as it may, despite that caution, all of their canning advice should be referenced as a historical artifact only and be deemed unsafe.

In 1933, oven canning still seems to have been thought of as “okay.” Michigan Extension advised in that year,

Oven Canning: Fruits and tomatoes are particularly well suited to this method of canning, although other vegetables may be canned successfully if acid is added, and the time of processing is sufficiently long, in an oven with a heat control appliance.” [Ed. A “heat control appliance” was a thermostat. We assume that all stoves have one now, but that was not the case in the 1930s.] [7]
In 1943, a USDA bulletin wasn’t crazy about the technique:

Oven canning has these disadvantages: Juice bubbles out or steams away; peaches and pears are likely to darken. You can do a more dependable jof of canning fruit in a boiling water bath. For the vegetables that need high heat to kill bacteria, oven canning is not safe. Even though the oven goes to 250 F or higher, food inside the glass jars stays at about the boiling point.” [8]
Also in 1943, a Dorothy Shank who worked at the USDA typed this advice to a home canner:

This is in response to your inquiry regarding oven canning. As you no doubt know from reading our canning bulletin, copy enclosed, we recommend only the steam pressure method for canning nonacid vegetables and meat. We believe that the water bath method is for acid foods, although the oven may be used for processing them. The dry heat of the oven penetrates the contents of the jar more slowly than does heat from the boiling water. For this reason processing times for acid foods canned in an oven must be longer than when canned in a water bath. We have not issued processing times for this method, however. The temperature of food does not go high enough when processed in the oven to destroy some types of spoilage bacteria that may be present in nonacid foods. There are some disadvantages to the oven method. Juice may boil out and unless the fruit is well covered with sirup [sic] or juice, it has a tendency to discolor on the surface.” [9]
Active recommendations against oven canning started by 1944:

Oven canning is not recommended because of the danger from exploded jars and because many oven regulators are not accurate enough to keep a constant temperature.” [10]
The head of the National Center for Home Food Preservation, Elizabeth Andress, in her “Critical Review of Home Preservation Literature and Current Research”, recorded this history of oven canning:

The origins for the application of oven heating to home canning seem rather vague; however, a wide distribution of directions for this procedure came from manufacturers of ranges, glass jars or other related equipment (Haddock, 1933; Tanner, 1934; 1935a; 1935b). USDA did recommend oven-processing in their consumer publications from 1931 through 1942 (Stanley, 1931; Stanley et al, 1942).
In 1931, the revision of Farmers’ Bulletin No. 1471 by Stanley (1931) introduced a discussion of oven processing. Stanley states the recommended temperatures were 250F and 275F, free circulating of air around jars was important, and that juices may boil out of the jars. A shallow pan in the bottom of the oven under the jars could be used to catch these juices. It was recommended to begin timing the process as soon as jars were placed in the oven and to process jars 50 percent longer than for boiling water canning. Jars were to be removed from the oven at the end of the processing period. The same altitude corrections were to be made as for boiling water canning.
Several studies stressed the possibility of jar explosion as well as spoilage resulting from poor heat penetration. Studies at the Indiana Agricultural Experiment Station in 1930, as reported by Tanner (1934; 1935a; 1935b), showed that temperature inside jars do not rise above 212F. In addition, come-up time was very long: a jar of water with an initial temperature of 68F, processed in an oven at 275F, required 95 to 110 minutes to reach 212F. This meant two-thirds of the process time for some foods expired before maximum interior temperatures were reached. Higher initial temperature slightly reduced come-up time.
Steinbarger (1931) reported studies conducted in the USDA Bureau of Home Economics on heat penetration rates associated with oven canning. Rates varied with consistency, initial food temperature, oven temperature and jar size. Quart glass jars were processed in 250 and 275F ovens. The maximum temperature reached in these jars was 212F, except for some fruits with high sugar content which were a few degrees higher. Sealing jars to hold in pressure caused breakage, so jars could not be fully sealed before processing. The Bureau concluded that this method could be used for acid fruits and tomatoes. All foods required excessive come-up times (55-95 minutes), and higher initial temperatures slightly decreased come-up time. Similar results were reported by Tanner (1934; 1935a; 1935b), who also demonstrated that a five-hour process in an oven at 135C (275F) failed to destroy spores of C. botulinum.
Although oven canning is still practiced by some and is occasionally recommended in print, research data from the 1930 decade was enough proof of its unacceptability.
Haddock (1933) also demonstrated that initial temperatures of jar contents affect come-up time and the maximum temperature of food was 212F. Haddock concluded that oven canning was influenced by many variables and should not be recommended. Variation between ovens was excessive, and come-up time from 113 to 212F for pint jars in different ovens under the same conditions ranged from 37½ to 120 locations within the same oven cavity. Fluctuations in oven temperature resulted in liquid loss from jars. Recommended processing schedules were also inadequate.
Heat penetration data and other parameters studied in the 1930s demonstrated that oven-processing was not safe. In publication AWI-93 dated 1944, USDA issued a warning against oven canning. The low interior jar temperature and possible physical accidents were cited as to why the method was dangerous.” [11]

Oven canning in other languages​

  • Dutch: Oven inkoken
  • French: Conserves au four
  • German: Backofen einkocken
References
↑1Hertzberg, Ruth; Greene, Janet; Vaughan, Beatrice (2010-05-25). Putting Food By: Fifth Edition (p. 61). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
↑2Zepp, Martha. Avoid … Open Kettle or Oven Canning. Penn State Extension. 29 May 2014. Accessed March 2015.
↑3Christian, Kasey. Green Beans and Botulism. National Center for Home Food Preservation. August 2014. Accessed March 2015.
↑4National Center for Home Food Preservation. FAQ. Accessed March 2015.
↑5Harrison, John. How to Store Your Home Grown Product. London: Constable and Robinson. 2010. Chapter 7.
↑6Bramwell, Leigh. Ways to satisfy your inner squirrel. Whangarei, New Zealand: The Northern Advocate. 23 May 2011.
↑7Gilbert, Muriel Dundas. Successful Home Canning. Michigan Extension Bulletin No. 132. May 1933. Page 6. Accessed March 2015.
↑8Wartime Canning of Fruits, vegetables. USDA Bureau of Human Nutrition and Home Economics. Washington, DC. June 1943.
↑9Shank, Dorothy E. In Charge of Food Utilization Investigations. USDA Bureau of Home Economics. Letter to Ruth Current, Extension Agent in North Carolina, 18 March 1943.
↑10Cameron, Janet L. and Mary L. Thompson. Canning for the Home. Bulletin No. 128. Virginia Agricultural and Mechanical College and Polytechnic Institute and the United States Department of Agriculture, Cooperating Extension Division. Revised June 1944. Page 4.
↑11Andress, Elizabeth L and Gerald Kuhn. Critical Review of Home Preservation Literature and Current Research. IV. Equipment and its Management – History and Current Issues. Athens, GA: University of Georgia, Cooperative Extension Service. 1983.
 

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