WoT Achtung! US Travel To Europe Will Require Prior Approval, Biometric Scanning

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Well, it's a good thing I have no interest in traveling to Europe.

Fair use cited so on and so forth.

Achtung! US Travel To Europe Will Require Prior Approval, Biometric Scanning​


by Tyler Durden
Monday, Oct 23, 2023 - 05:45 AM

Traveling to most European countries is about to get more complicated and invasive for American citizens: In spring 2025, you'll have to first request permission. And you'll be saying adieu to passport stamps and ciao to facial and fingerprint scans -- and having your biometric data stored in an enormous government database.

On Friday, an agency of the European Union announced the updated timing for the European Travel Information and Authorization System (ETIAS), which has first set to roll out in 2024. It applies to travelers from more than 60 countries that are currently exempt from visa requirements. Those countries have an aggregate population of 1.4 billion.

As is the case today, Americans won't need a visa, but they will need to apply in advance for permission to visit any of 30 EU countries for stays lasting up to 90 days. It will cost about $8 to apply, with requests submitted via the official ETIAS website or ETIAS mobile app. With activation of the process more than a year away, neither is yet configured to collect applications. ETIAS assures the public that most applications will be processed in minutes.

The approval will be tied to your passport, and will be valid for up to three years or until your passport expires, whichever comes earlier. Once you have it, you'll be able to visit as much as you want, so long as it's a "short-term stay," which generally means up to 90 days in a 180-day period.

ETIAS recommends applying for permission "well in advance" of your trip, but doesn't specify what that means. The agency does caution that the approval period "could be extended by up to 14 days if you are requested to provide additional information or documentation, or up to 30 days if you are invited to an interview." There's no indication where such interviews would be conducted or by whom.

Participating countries will no longer give passport stamps that some travelers collect with pride. In a move that's causing electronic-
privacy advocates to sound alarms, you'll have to submit to both fingerprint and face scans
, with the information then stored in the European Commission's Common Identity Repository (CIR), which is fed by multiple systems, including police agencies.

Even those who trust governments to only use the CIR for good should be wary of the risks of hacking by criminals or other governments, or the demonstrated tendency for rogue employees to give or sell the information to other parties. Of course, none of us should trust governments with massive personal data repositories. Recall that the US Drug Enforcement Agency was caught using information from warrantless intelligence-gathering to unconstitutionally initiate investigations.

The European announcement is one more step toward dystopia, where citizens are little more than tax-cattle to be tagged and tracked as we move from pen to pen across the globe. Naturally, our masters assure us we have nothing to fear...that it's all for our own safety, particularly in times of danger. As former German interior minister Thomas de Maziere said, "Privacy is nice, but in times of crisis...security comes first."

Think these guys will pay an $8 fee and ask for permission first?

View: https://twitter.com/GoldingBF/status/1674057595928076291?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1674057595928076291%7Ctwgr%5E226912d936703b27fca383a7840e1ef578b4fd93%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fgeopolitical%2Fachtung-us-travel-europe-will-require-prior-approval-biometric-scanning
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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It is a travel VISA. They've been talking about instituting it even prior to covid but have just in the last couple of days they pushed it off again. And it isn't just for US citizens but for non-EU members. I think there are like 30 countries on the list.

In addition, several major travel locations in Europe will be charging a visitor fee for non-residents. Venice is one of the biggest ones doing this. I think Barcelona is as well. Barcelona has definitely moved all of the big cruise ships about fifteen minutes down the coast instead of letting them use the one that let's people walk straight into town.

The US already has its own VISA program and has had it for decades, for travelers coming to the US from a whole host of countries.
 

desertvet2

Veteran Member
Just like..well, all tech.

It gets used in the box to test and then gets foisted upon humanity as a whole.

What did the taliban do with all of the bio info and tools we left behind in the stan?

Thats right.

Hunted those they wanted and killed them.

Terminator was a forward look to our future.

Soon you will see.
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
This doesn't apply to Greenland, though they are part of Denmark, Greenland officially is not a part of the EU.

Doesn't include Ireland either.

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Publius

TB Fanatic
Surprised the people demanding and supporting this are not being hunted down by all europeans and bring this nonsense to an end.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Glad I've already see most of Europe

I wish I could say that. Covid travel restrictions killed a lot of travel we had on the books for 2020. We didn't bother going outside the US in '21 and '22. In July '23 we went to Jordan and Israel. This November we are going to the Caribbean for Hub's bday just to give cruising one more opportunity to see if they found some sense. But it is leaving out of Florida, so I don't have to use the airlines. That is something I am not interested in doing anymore of than absolutely bare minimum necessity. However, I am reserving the right to change my mind. :rolleyes: I'm just tired of letting woke nutcases and criminals control my life.

Best revenge? Living your best life with as few regrets as possible.
 

dvo

Veteran Member
Well, it's a good thing I have no interest in traveling to Europe.

Fair use cited so on and so forth.

Achtung! US Travel To Europe Will Require Prior Approval, Biometric Scanning​


by Tyler Durden
Monday, Oct 23, 2023 - 05:45 AM

Traveling to most European countries is about to get more complicated and invasive for American citizens: In spring 2025, you'll have to first request permission. And you'll be saying adieu to passport stamps and ciao to facial and fingerprint scans -- and having your biometric data stored in an enormous government database.

On Friday, an agency of the European Union announced the updated timing for the European Travel Information and Authorization System (ETIAS), which has first set to roll out in 2024. It applies to travelers from more than 60 countries that are currently exempt from visa requirements. Those countries have an aggregate population of 1.4 billion.

As is the case today, Americans won't need a visa, but they will need to apply in advance for permission to visit any of 30 EU countries for stays lasting up to 90 days. It will cost about $8 to apply, with requests submitted via the official ETIAS website or ETIAS mobile app. With activation of the process more than a year away, neither is yet configured to collect applications. ETIAS assures the public that most applications will be processed in minutes.

The approval will be tied to your passport, and will be valid for up to three years or until your passport expires, whichever comes earlier. Once you have it, you'll be able to visit as much as you want, so long as it's a "short-term stay," which generally means up to 90 days in a 180-day period.

ETIAS recommends applying for permission "well in advance" of your trip, but doesn't specify what that means. The agency does caution that the approval period "could be extended by up to 14 days if you are requested to provide additional information or documentation, or up to 30 days if you are invited to an interview." There's no indication where such interviews would be conducted or by whom.

Participating countries will no longer give passport stamps that some travelers collect with pride. In a move that's causing electronic-
privacy advocates to sound alarms, you'll have to submit to both fingerprint and face scans
, with the information then stored in the European Commission's Common Identity Repository (CIR), which is fed by multiple systems, including police agencies.

Even those who trust governments to only use the CIR for good should be wary of the risks of hacking by criminals or other governments, or the demonstrated tendency for rogue employees to give or sell the information to other parties. Of course, none of us should trust governments with massive personal data repositories. Recall that the US Drug Enforcement Agency was caught using information from warrantless intelligence-gathering to unconstitutionally initiate investigations.

The European announcement is one more step toward dystopia, where citizens are little more than tax-cattle to be tagged and tracked as we move from pen to pen across the globe. Naturally, our masters assure us we have nothing to fear...that it's all for our own safety, particularly in times of danger. As former German interior minister Thomas de Maziere said, "Privacy is nice, but in times of crisis...security comes first."

Think these guys will pay an $8 fee and ask for permission first?

View: https://twitter.com/GoldingBF/status/1674057595928076291?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1674057595928076291%7Ctwgr%5E226912d936703b27fca383a7840e1ef578b4fd93%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fgeopolitical%2Fachtung-us-travel-europe-will-require-prior-approval-biometric-scanning
May have entertained thoughts about travel to Scotland, Ireland and a few other places, once upon a time. Our eldest son did that a few years ago. You know…see the land of our distant elders. No longer. They don’t trust me with a passport, I don’t trust them. With good reason on my part for sure.
 

Snookered

Contributing Member
We will be trapped in our towns, cities, states, country. They already track our every move via cell phones, cars, internet, purchases etc. Soon checkpoints within the U.S. Tollroads wont be just for Interstate travel. Its a predesigned checkpoint. Those 'electric" vehicles are made for stopping travel. When the national crisis hits, you think you have enough gasoline to "bug" out. espescially when the pumps are shut down. Well, any vehicle made since the 1980's are designed with computers sooo easy to hack. this isnt woo its fact. Articles ar being published how our grid cant even support the demand of Electric vehicles. So easy to shut down travel. Biometric I.D.s will be required. Corporations already require employees to have one. Millions ran to get injected with C19 jabs to keep thier jobs. Its going to be easy peasy to implement biometric I.D.s on the populace. Might want to take a joy ride, not sure in the next few years if that will be an option.
 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Do you really think they did not scan your face when you went through the airport?

I got a bridge to sell you.
 

Donghe Surfer

Veteran Member
Well, I'm glad I traveled with dad and son more than half a decade ago throughout Europe on 3-week vacation.
Did it, if I remember, months before Germany and others started letting in all the illegals. Knew after it happened, that I wouldn't go back until it gets cleaned up (many train stations no longer safe at night).
Now this...... no need to ever go back to Europe. Fuk 'em.
 

2zipper2

Contributing Member
Well this puts a stop to our visiting my wife's family in Poland unless they (Poland ) decide to leave the EU. Good thing we got her mother out a few years ago.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Everyone knows the US started this, right? The Europeans waited a few years before instituting it themselves in reverse. The Americans "Didn't want to trust the passport anymore" and required the paying of fees and registering a ton of information (including biometrics) first.
 

KFhunter

Veteran Member
Fly to non EU country such as UK or Ireland

Drive or ride transit to EU country, they don’t even know you’re there
 

KFhunter

Veteran Member
Everyone knows the US started this, right? The Europeans waited a few years before instituting it themselves in reverse. The Americans "Didn't want to trust the passport anymore" and required the paying of fees and registering a ton of information (including biometrics) first.
ESTA
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Fly to non EU country such as UK or Ireland

Drive or ride transit to EU country, they don’t even know you’re there
They have checks when you get on the ferry or fly to the continent. So no, that doesn't work unless you have your boat, and even then, they probably check-in port. The buses stop, drag everyone off, and check your luggage and paperwork.

I haven't done a channel train, but I gather they check before you even get on on both sides.
 

DFENZ

Contributing Member
I'm travelling in France right now, having driven up from Portugal through Spain. Spending a couple of weeks here. Lots of history, culinary delights and culture... For someone like me, a stodgy stick in the mud from the midwestern US- or anyone for that matter- it's the good stuff.
 

changed

Preferred pronouns: dude/bro
I use my passport for ID for everything except driving. I only use my DL for driving ID. If you go to a convenience store and buy a 6 pack, they'll ask for ID. If the cashier is a weirdo they could look at your DL and see your address and come to your house later. Your passport doesn't have your address on it.

This summer we traveled and were staying at a hotel. The bar closed early so I went to get some beer at a convenience store. The clerk asked for ID so I gave him my passport. He said that's not gonna scan and tried scanning my passport. He said nope and wouldn't sell me the beer. When I left he followed me out to my car.

I don't know about you, but I don't want convenience store clerks scanning my drivers license information into their registers, especially for beer. I ended up going to a different store that didn't scan DLs. The woman looked at me and knew I was old enough and I paid.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
I'm travelling in France right now, having driven up from Portugal through Spain. Spending a couple of weeks here. Lots of history, culinary delights and culture... For someone like me, a stodgy stick in the mud from the midwestern US- or anyone for that matter- it's the good stuff.

Yeah, I'm going to bite it and jump through the hoops as soon as I get enough money. I really want to see parts of France before I get too old -- genealogy stuff. I want to see where my bio father was stationed and went to school, where my gr-grandfather was shot. Stuff like that. I can skip most of the "tourist stuff." That isn't nearly as interesting to me.

I won't go it there's a hot war on, but I'm hopeful I can sneak in a trip before everything is totally ruined.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Same! Tis okay though, since there are many gorgeous places in the US to visit with pockets of culture here and there. Too bad canada has gone off the deep end politically as there are many beautiful places to visit there as well.

I'm visiting Canada, anyway. I've got friends there who are not political in that they truly believe all governments stink. They attempt to live as freely as they can and manage to do most of want they want to.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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They have checks when you get on the ferry or fly to the continent. So no, that doesn't work unless you have your boat, and even then, they probably check-in port. The buses stop, drag everyone off, and check your luggage and paperwork.

I haven't done a channel train, but I gather they check before you even get on on both sides.

The chunnel is very rigorous. You have to go through both British and French security. They are stricter than the immigration checks on the US end when you fly in.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
I use my passport for ID for everything except driving. I only use my DL for driving ID. If you go to a convenience store and buy a 6 pack, they'll ask for ID. If the cashier is a weirdo they could look at your DL and see your address and come to your house later. Your passport doesn't have your address on it.

This summer we traveled and were staying at a hotel. The bar closed early so I went to get some beer at a convenience store. The clerk asked for ID so I gave him my passport. He said that's not gonna scan and tried scanning my passport. He said nope and wouldn't sell me the beer. When I left he followed me out to my car.

I don't know about you, but I don't want convenience store clerks scanning my drivers license information into their registers, especially for beer. I ended up going to a different store that didn't scan DLs. The woman looked at me and knew I was old enough and I paid.

Having a passport is another prep. Just have one. You never know . . .
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
The chunnel is very rigorous. You have to go through both British and French security. They are stricter than the immigration checks on the US end when you fly in.

You have recent experience, so I'm listening.
When I get ready to go, I'll leave enough time to follow all the procedures and rules.
It will likely only be a one-time trip, so I'll have to do everything right the first time.
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
Fly to non EU country such as UK or Ireland

Drive or ride transit to EU country, they don’t even know you’re there

They have checks when you get on the ferry or fly to the continent. So no, that doesn't work unless you have your boat, and even then, they probably check-in port. The buses stop, drag everyone off, and check your luggage and paperwork.

I haven't done a channel train, but I gather they check before you even get on on both sides.

The chunnel is very rigorous. You have to go through both British and French security. They are stricter than the immigration checks on the US end when you fly in.


Neither the UK ( when a member of the EU ) or Ireland ( an EU member ) signed up for Schengen so the borderless travel does not apply.

Also my son just travelled between 3 schengen area countries by bus and the police were boarding buses and checking ID's as part of a clampdown on illegal immigration, massive anti-immigration protests through-out Europe agrivated by the recent French riots, Hamas attacks on Israel and pro-pali protests / anti-semetic attacks in Europe.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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I use my passport for ID for everything except driving. I only use my DL for driving ID. If you go to a convenience store and buy a 6 pack, they'll ask for ID. If the cashier is a weirdo they could look at your DL and see your address and come to your house later. Your passport doesn't have your address on it.

This summer we traveled and were staying at a hotel. The bar closed early so I went to get some beer at a convenience store. The clerk asked for ID so I gave him my passport. He said that's not gonna scan and tried scanning my passport. He said nope and wouldn't sell me the beer. When I left he followed me out to my car.

I don't know about you, but I don't want convenience store clerks scanning my drivers license information into their registers, especially for beer. I ended up going to a different store that didn't scan DLs. The woman looked at me and knew I was old enough and I paid.

Some places can’t sell you certain items without a drivers license scan. It isn’t just checking for your age. There are also other things they check for it is for the number of times that you’ve purchased something.
 
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