Anyone freeze drying at home?

wvstuck

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We are thinking of purchasing the Harvest Right freeze dryer (small). With just the two of us the small one seems about right. Just looking for feedback because we are tired of freezer burnt food or having to can everything right off the bat. Long term the freeze dryer seems to be a best practice.
 

Kathy in FL

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You might be happier with the medium size. Get the actual tray measurements rather than just pictures. In hindsight I wish that I had gone with the large but that would have required a new breaker.

The medium will freeze dry five dozen eggs at a time (60 eggs) which results in about 2 quart jars of freeze dried eggs.

Save yourself some dryer time by pre-freezing your items on the trays.

Some things aren't worth the time at the moment. For instance ... mashed potatoes. I can buy a box of instance potatoes for cheaper than the time and money I would use if I made them from scratch. Local restaurant supply house also had instant mashed sweet potatoes last year that I purchased and then repackaged.

Lots of youtubes with suggestions out there.
 

Luddite

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I have a friend that bought one. They're too busy to get its full potential.

One complaint they had was the frequency and cost of oil replacement in the vacuum pump.

I think that a "dry pump" would be needed regardless of extra cost.

Maybe they use a dry pump now exclusively, not sure. Fwiw.
 

Reasonable Rascal

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Buddy brought us some FD Skittles this week-end. It was an experiment I had suggested. Very good, wouldn't mind a few $10 cans full. Like Pop Rocks without the fizz. :popcorn3:

They use theirs a lot but are still experimenting. Said his mother has one she keeps going almost 24/7 and it only raises her electric bill about $50/month. Much less than feared. Not sure about hers but his is the Medium size unit.

He also has a chamber vacuum sealer, which is something I want both for my business and also food production, because it will do liquids as well as tightly seal bulky packages. The bags he brought the Skittles in were resealable as well, another experiment. My wife may be convinced to take the plunge after out discussions with him.

Looking at the current prices for commercial FD feeds - Mountain House, etc - I can very easily see where it would pay for itself in relatively short order. I don't think we need to worry about 30 shelf lives now. 10 years in Mylar will likely be just fine.

RR
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Freeze driers cost a fortune. Better than $5,000 apiece, last I knew, and that's not factoring in those pump replacements.

(edit: Looks like the prices have come down quite a bit, though, from the last I checked.)
 
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packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
There are several threads here about Freeze Dryers. If you have a Tractor Supply, Theisens, or Fleet Farm store in your area see if they have them in stock or at least a display unit. OC said the small one is very small, it's on display at our local Theisens Farm store.
 

amazon

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I occasionally watch a YouTube person who has one. I'm pretty sure she said it costs $5 in electricity per day. I've been on the fence about getting one. Pre freezing, higher electric bills, mylar bags. I don't see how it's that much better than dehydrating though I have read what freeze drying proponents say about the benefits. Idk. Seems like a lot of hassle and cost. Let us know what you decide. If you get one how you like it.
 

Kathy in FL

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Freeze driers cost a fortune. Better than $5,000 apiece, last I knew, and that's not factoring in those pump replacements.

(edit: Looks like the prices have come down quite a bit, though, from the last I checked.)

Not to mention they occasionally have sales on them. The pump we have uses the oil but it is the upgraded model they now sell. The oil can be filtered multiple times before it must be replaced. Oil can also be purchased locally rather than online. My mother bought a gallon jug of it at the local O'Reilly's auto parts store. You just need to make sure you are getting the correct kind.
 

oops

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We're still tryin to get ours fixed...been down since...June-ish time frame...would have to go find my post about it to find the date...they thought the last flash drive they sent would do the trick...but I cost me a batch of tomatoes...sigh
 

Kathy in FL

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I occasionally watch a YouTube person who has one. I'm pretty sure she said it costs $5 in electricity per day. I've been on the fence about getting one. Pre freezing, higher electric bills, mylar bags. I don't see how it's that much better than dehydrating though I have read what freeze drying proponents say about the benefits. Idk. Seems like a lot of hassle and cost. Let us know what you decide. If you get one how you like it.

Dehydrating is grand. I still do a lot of it. However, FD allows for a much broader and longer storage capacity. I can freeze dry a casserole and then just have to add water and boom, a low energy-use meal. If I am using dehydrated ingredients, I have to first rehydrate and then cook the casserole.

Things that are regularly rotated I store in quart and pint jars. I only use mylar bags for things that are for long term storage. You can get mylars on amazon and they cost less than from the freeze dryer websites. Same for the O2 absorbers.

Canning supplies are now out in bulk at most places from wallyworld to Dollar General but they still aren't cheap.

I've gone with a multi-pronged approach to food storage. I still buy commercially canned items but they are for regular rotation. I buy flash frozen veggies and dehydrate them for regular rotation as well. I freeze dry things - like meat and leftovers - for longer term storage. I continue to home can foods such as soups because it is convenient to do so and address temporary water shortages I might run into as well as fuel usage for creating meals. I also buy grains and dried beans in bulk - rice as an example - as a way to extend out everything else. I can make my own instant rice with either the dehydrator or the freeze dryer, depending on my storage time estimation of use.

Just figure out what is best for you and your needs.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Not to mention they occasionally have sales on them. The pump we have uses the oil but it is the upgraded model they now sell. The oil can be filtered multiple times before it must be replaced. Oil can also be purchased locally rather than online. My mother bought a gallon jug of it at the local O'Reilly's auto parts store. You just need to make sure you are getting the correct kind.

Yeah, I noticed. Am I reading this right? The dryer for $400? That seems way too good to be true.

 

Old Gray Mare

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We're still tryin to get ours fixed...been down since...June-ish time frame...would have to go find my post about it to find the date...they thought the last flash drive they sent would do the trick...but I cost me a batch of tomatoes...sigh
Opps would you mind sharing the problem, brand and why you are having problems getting it serviced? How long has it been an issue?

I'm sorry you're having problems with your unit. Letting the rest of us (and a boat load of lurkers world wide?) what and who to avoid when making this expensive a purchase? That could be very important information.
 

Zahra

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I have a medium size harvest right freeze dryer with the premium pump. I think that pump comes standard with them now. It only requires oil changes after 20 to 25 runs and you can filter the oil to get another few uses out of it before needing to buy new. I've put up LOTS of beef, pork, chicken, soups, and ready to eat full meals with mine. I also make freeze dried dog treats using beef heart or liver. I can get 72 eggs on the trays btw - not just 60. It's a great way to preserve your garden harvest, lock in the price on meats, and have shelf stable food in case of power outages too.

I see the medium one is just $2895 now and that includes the premier pump too. I had to pay another $700 for that pump when I bought mine, so this is a very good deal.

Cost to run is low -- I've noticed about $2 -- but your cost will vary depending on your electric rates of course.
 

ejagno

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I have the medium HR Freeze dryer and love it. It's just DH & I but we have no problem filling all 4 trays between leftovers, fruits & veggies. It's far superior to dehydrating IMHO and definitely frees up some serious freezer space. My only word of caution is to use glass canning jars or put your mylar bags into a rodent proof tote. I lost all of my freeze dried food in mylar bags last winter to field mice who ate holes in every single bag. You can even use the freeze dryer to seal your mason jars. As with any other food store in a cool, dark place. Much lighter weight so they can be stored in cabinets without fear of ripping them off the wall (I did this with conventionally canned foods. They weight was too much)
 

Zahra

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We're still tryin to get ours fixed...been down since...June-ish time frame...would have to go find my post about it to find the date...they thought the last flash drive they sent would do the trick...but I cost me a batch of tomatoes...sigh

Can you describe the issue you're having? I had to replace the circuit board in mine after it was about 18 months old, but the part is just $99 and it was easy to swap out.
 

Kathy in FL

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Yeah, I noticed. Am I reading this right? The dryer for $400? That seems way too good to be true.


That's the pump and they throw in a mylar starter kit. That isn't the freeze dryer itself.
 

john70

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HAS ANYONE EVER ORDERED ANYTHING from
400 looks like a wrong price

Harvest Right | Home Freeze Dryer Large with Premier Oil Vacuum Pump and Mylar Starter Kit​



Regular price $390.00
 

oops

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Ours is a medium harvest right...something cause the heatin element? Or some such to screw up...said it couldn't detect heat n then it couldn't complete the dryin cycle...as for the why we haven't gotten it fixed yet...harvest right has to contract the repair out in the area where it's located...our "local" guy is travelin just shy of 2 hrs to get here...n they aren't harvest right techs per say...just a contracted tech..so they have to rely on what they're told by the company n get off the net..first flash drive they sent (software upgrade) n some sort of harness or boot...hubby said nope get someone in here that has a clue...this is beyond my pay grade... tech thought after much online research n company convo they had it fixed...nope...second flash drive sent...seems the same issue is happenin with this flash drive software upgrade install too...tryin bread this time to see if it works...gotta call them back tomorrow afternoon to see where we go from here...I know this sounds confusin...because it is...sigh
 

amazon

Veteran Member
Dehydrating is grand. I still do a lot of it. However, FD allows for a much broader and longer storage capacity. I can freeze dry a casserole and then just have to add water and boom, a low energy-use meal. If I am using dehydrated ingredients, I have to first rehydrate and then cook the casserole.

Things that are regularly rotated I store in quart and pint jars. I only use mylar bags for things that are for long term storage. You can get mylars on amazon and they cost less than from the freeze dryer websites. Same for the O2 absorbers.

Canning supplies are now out in bulk at most places from wallyworld to Dollar General but they still aren't cheap.

I've gone with a multi-pronged approach to food storage. I still buy commercially canned items but they are for regular rotation. I buy flash frozen veggies and dehydrate them for regular rotation as well. I freeze dry things - like meat and leftovers - for longer term storage. I continue to home can foods such as soups because it is convenient to do so and address temporary water shortages I might run into as well as fuel usage for creating meals. I also buy grains and dried beans in bulk - rice as an example - as a way to extend out everything else. I can make my own instant rice with either the dehydrator or the freeze dryer, depending on my storage time estimation of use.

Just figure out what is best for you and your needs.
Kathy, it's not a hassle to do it? Seems like a pain. Maybe I should research more.
 

Toosh

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#1 is your purpose to empty your freezer this one time or will you continue to use it in the future?
#2 is your purpose to build up a food storage pantry?
#3 how you will be using the food when it's time to eat. Some preservation methods are better than others based on how you use it.
#4 consider the cost of buying FD food if it's just the two of you - you can buy a whole lot of #10 cans before you've prorated the cost of a FD unit.

A friend loaned me his for several weeks. I was interested in preserving alot of garden harvest in a hurry. I can say that it takes several batches to do enough food to equal one #10 can. I figured running the unit 24 hours a day, considering downtime between batches I could maybe FD enough food to be equivalent to 3 #10 cans worth of food. I also found the large unit requires a dedicated 220 line - another expense.

IMHO, FD food is best for camping and/or traveling - where weight is an issue. For home use, it takes too much time to get a large volume of food. Considering my time, it's faster to purchase #10 cans from a commercial supplier. When I want FD food I buy it on sale.

The person who mentioned using a multi-prong approach to food storage has it right. Canning is my go-to method because I can get a lot of food prep done in short time. I can throw fresh produce in the freezer until I'm ready to make a morning of canning. Mice never eat through glass. The supplies are re-usable - no need to purchase more mylar bags.

Dehydrating is cheap to do but is limited. I'm not going to sit down to eat a plate of dehydrated shrimp but I can dehydrate 6 dozen eggs and they will store in a pint jar. They won't last as long as FD'ed but I m pretty good at rotating.
 

Kathy in FL

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Kathy, it's not a hassle to do it? Seems like a pain. Maybe I should research more.

No. Certainly no more of a hassle than canning can be. Or say if you have to go through the blanching process for all the veggies before you dehydrate them.

Is there some work involved? Sure. But I've never met a form of food storage that doesn't have something time consuming to it, even if it is the storage process itself to make sure that you don't get rodent or bug infestations that destroy all of your work.

Alot of the freeze drying (for me) is put it on the trays, push the button, walk away, then just make sure it gets completely processed and then putting it in mylar with o2 absorbers and close those properly with a good heat seal. I use tubs and store things in a spare room.
 

Reasonable Rascal

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HAS ANYONE EVER ORDERED ANYTHING from
400 looks like a wrong price

Harvest Right | Home Freeze Dryer Large with Premier Oil Vacuum Pump and Mylar Starter Kit​



Regular price $390.00
Prices are beyond suspicious so I goggled (see what I did there?) the phone # from the site:

Vanmalibhai Budimirovic in Richmndbch, Washington

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206-647-7833. Fariborz Ganci. 206-647-7177. Dashner Rightnour. 206-647-5666. Hermalyn Fredley. 206-647-9340. Jeaniece Goldmann. 206-647-2132. Basro Isroff.

From where I am sitting it looks like a total scam.

RR
 

Reasonable Rascal

Veteran Member
BTW, Bomgaars now sells them. Midwest farm and home store company. They have locations even in small towns as well as cities.

Lists at $3,400 for the large unit. $2,895 for medium stainless, $2,695 for medium black. Oil is $12.99/qt. In store pick-up only on the units, no shipping. Half the stores within 250 miles of here show them as OOS. Gee, wonder why? Couldn't be because people are starting to think... :hmm:

RR
 
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wvstuck

Only worry about what you can control!
#1 is your purpose to empty your freezer this one time or will you continue to use it in the future?
#2 is your purpose to build up a food storage pantry?
#3 how you will be using the food when it's time to eat. Some preservation methods are better than others based on how you use it.
#4 consider the cost of buying FD food if it's just the two of you - you can buy a whole lot of #10 cans before you've prorated the cost of a FD unit.

A friend loaned me his for several weeks. I was interested in preserving alot of garden harvest in a hurry. I can say that it takes several batches to do enough food to equal one #10 can. I figured running the unit 24 hours a day, considering downtime between batches I could maybe FD enough food to be equivalent to 3 #10 cans worth of food. I also found the large unit requires a dedicated 220 line - another expense.

IMHO, FD food is best for camping and/or traveling - where weight is an issue. For home use, it takes too much time to get a large volume of food. Considering my time, it's faster to purchase #10 cans from a commercial supplier. When I want FD food I buy it on sale.

The person who mentioned using a multi-prong approach to food storage has it right. Canning is my go-to method because I can get a lot of food prep done in short time. I can throw fresh produce in the freezer until I'm ready to make a morning of canning. Mice never eat through glass. The supplies are re-usable - no need to purchase more mylar bags.

Dehydrating is cheap to do but is limited. I'm not going to sit down to eat a plate of dehydrated shrimp but I can dehydrate 6 dozen eggs and they will store in a pint jar. They won't last as long as FD'ed but I m pretty good at rotating.
We have never stopped preparing for an uncertain future. As soon as we moved back to WV last year, we planted the orchard, fenced in a 10,000 square foot garden, got the berries and brambles planted. Started our seed inside while it was still cold and grew a big garden. We have been canning, drying and storing all summer. We think the freeze dryer would make a nice addition to all the other methods we use. Time is important to us. We are converting an old church into a pretty cool living space and trying to keep up with food storage and other projects. Our canners and dehydrators have been running non stop for weeks on end.

I just wanted to hear how well freeze drying worked for others, or didn’t work. I prefer to butcher my own chickens and can or freeze dry them v/s buying canned or freeze dried chicken of unknown origin.

It’s definitely a long term part of a big plan
 

Zahra

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We have never stopped preparing for an uncertain future. As soon as we moved back to WV last year, we planted the orchard, fenced in a 10,000 square foot garden, got the berries and brambles planted. Started our seed inside while it was still cold and grew a big garden. We have been canning, drying and storing all summer. We think the freeze dryer would make a nice addition to all the other methods we use. Time is important to us. We are converting an old church into a pretty cool living space and trying to keep up with food storage and other projects. Our canners and dehydrators have been running non stop for weeks on end.

I just wanted to hear how well freeze drying worked for others, or didn’t work. I prefer to butcher my own chickens and can or freeze dry them v/s buying canned or freeze dried chicken of unknown origin.

It’s definitely a long term part of a big plan

I prefer the texture of my freeze dried chicken when I reconstitute it over home canned chicken. You can only freeze dry well trimmed meats however, so if I want some fat on the meat then I will pressure can it. I generally freeze dry 90% grass fed hamburger raw, but will do fattier burger cooked first so I can drain & rinse off the fat.
 

Kathy in FL

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I prefer the texture of my freeze dried chicken when I reconstitute it over home canned chicken. You can only freeze dry well trimmed meats however, so if I want some fat on the meat then I will pressure can it. I generally freeze dry 90% grass fed hamburger raw, but will do fattier burger cooked first so I can drain & rinse off the fat.

Yes, grease/fat is an issue. For instance, I save myself some time by buying the most lean ground burger, frying it up, then washing it to get as much of the remaining grease gone as I can manage, all the while making sure that the meat is broken up into fine ground rather than small meatball size clumps of meat. When I reconstitute it, I generally do it in some type of broth or sauce depending on what I'm using it in. I find the texture is better and I don't have to worry about shelf life as much. You can tell when something has too much grease/oil in it because it takes way too long in the freeze dryer assuming you can even get it to work.
 

Babs

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I have a large free dryer with an oil free pump. We put up about 2500 eggs last fall/winter. I freeze dry a LOT of food. From fruits, veggies, casseroles, chili, refried beans, avocados, meat sauces, herbs, etc...my daughter in law even freeze dried some of her breast milk. It is a wonderful tool. Because we have a large, we did have to install a dedicated outlet, but it really wasn't any big deal for us, and I don't think that it raised our electric more than $50-75 a month even running it constantly.

Many things, such as eggs, refried beans, avocados and tomatoes, just to name a few, can be powdered, and takes up very little space in storage. You would likely want to pack those in small mylar bags for long term storage, or pack them in canning jars. I use desiccants rather than oxygen absorbers if I’m storing them in canning jars (shorter term storage).

The disadvantage of having an oil free pump is that you will need to have it rebuilt at some point. Some say after a year of heavy use, but we haven't had to have ours rebuilt yet. It's a pain because you have to send it back to Harvest Right and it's a bit expensive for the shipping and for the rebuild. I would really recommend the premier pump.

I've heard lots of people who've purchased the small, say that they wish they'd have gotten the medium. However, the new small is very close to the old medium. If you can afford to get a freeze dryer, I would highly recommend it! You can put up a lot of long term food stocks in a fairly short amount of time.
 

Babs

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Oh, I would like to add, that this thing puts out a LOT of heat. At least our oil free pump does. I would locate it somewhere with this in mind. You wouldn't want to place it in a pantry. I will be placing it in an accessory kitchen building that has an air conditioning unit. A basement would be great, or perhaps even in a garage. Additionally, it is quite loud when running.
 

AGreyMan

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Oh, I would like to add, that this thing puts out a LOT of heat. At least our oil free pump does. I would locate it somewhere with this in mind. You wouldn't want to place it in a pantry. I will be placing it in an accessory kitchen building that has an air conditioning unit. A basement would be great, or perhaps even in a garage. Additionally, it is quite loud when running.

We run the freeze dryer with a small (12"x12") box fan on the right side of the unit, helping to pull warm air out, and blowing on the vacuum pump to help it run a bit cooler. We do keep it in the semi-finished basement. I haven't heard the oil-free pumps, but the old JB Industries DV-6E pump that came with the older units was pretty loud. The premium oiled pump that's now standard purrs like a kitten in comparison.

Edited to add: @wvstuck I would like to echo Kathy in FL's sentiment: It is virtually the same amount of work to prepare food for a medium freeze dryer as a small, as far as you already have the frying pans out, colanders out, paper towels, you are washing everything up, etc. Might as well fry up a few more pounds of hamburger, blanch a few more ears of corn, etc. This is why we went from a small (the old medium) to a medium (the current medium). Extra trays with lids is a time saver in the same way: The product is done being processed and it's stored it in the freezer until the current batch is finished.
 
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wvstuck

Only worry about what you can control!
After watching a lot of YouTube we pulled the trigger on the new small unit. 1 to 2 weeks for delivery. This will add some new content to YouTube in the near future. If the small works out we will probably add a medium or large near the end of the year. Thanks for all the input from everyone. Reading reviews online is iffy, but I know I’ll get the truth here!
 

Millwright

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So far, I'm impressed with HarvestRight support.

Several emails documenting everything, good instructions with pictures even before getting parts.

The tier-2 tech support chick said she is now my go-to person, email addy, phone ext. number to cut through the phone tree hell, etc.

There was a $45 charge to get to 2nd level support tho, I'm ok with that considering what I needed to find out.

It's a buy-in for direct access to someone who understands the nuts n bolts of things...it also weeds out the stupid questions for those peeps.
 

Kathy in FL

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After watching a lot of YouTube we pulled the trigger on the new small unit. 1 to 2 weeks for delivery. This will add some new content to YouTube in the near future. If the small works out we will probably add a medium or large near the end of the year. Thanks for all the input from everyone. Reading reviews online is iffy, but I know I’ll get the truth here!

Word o' warning ... those machines are heavy as heck and can be awkward to find a good place to put them. For me, personally, I wound up putting it on a rolling tool rack/table that I got on sale from Harbor Freight because it also has space for extra parts, etc. You could maybe also find a stainless-steel restaurant kitchen table kind of thing.

It makes maneuvering the freeze drier a lot easier if you need to move it around. I started out with mine in my garage but then had to take it in the house when the weather got hot so it wouldn't take so long to finish a cycle. Then we moved it a couple of doors down to our former home where my parents now live, and she has it in a spare bedroom where she can shut the door when it is running but still be in an air-conditioned space.

When I have more time, and my mother is finished with her stuff, it will probably come back here and go in the garage again (cooler weather, shorter freeze cycles).
 
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