INVAR
Sword At-The-Ready
This debate actually began on another thread here: http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=1018804
and I've decided to start a new thread for the sole purpose of continuing and furthering that debate.
Many news items are becomming fraught with the arguments of the kook Left and the rabid Right in this country - mainly stemming from the Bash America movement that injects every subject with any political overtones with it's venom.
So I decided to have at with this debate and to free-up the threads that were taken off-course with this argument.
This is the thread to have that argument.
Bashing America - The Great Right versus Left debate.
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Invar, .....Bush - Campaign Finance Reform (backed by the Supreme Court) Tally - First Amendment Gone.
You forgot to add the parts about the removal of the Commandments Monument (Separation of C&S Myth) upheld by the SC, the restrictions on peacable assembly and regulations on redressing grievances.
Bush the Elder and the late 1980's weapons statutes (Brady Bill?)
Clinton - Assault Rifle Ban
Been going on since 1934 and ensconced in illegal precedent by the 1939 unlawful SC ruling that all gun laws are built upon.
Now, turning to 9/11.
If you truly believe that a bunch of "fundamentalist" muslims who hang out in titty bars drinking alcohol and eating pork could take a fly-by-night (pun intended) training course, fly a few hours and hit the WTC's, then you might as well crawl under your bed and fear the tooth fairy.
You don't understand Radical Islam, OR our enemies' thinking. Islamic law more than allows for a Muslim to lie, rape, murder and deceive unbelievers in order to "defend" Islam.
Your insane need to delve into the rabid kook conspiratorialism that both the Islamic Press and the rabid left in this country engage in only solidifies my opinion that you're nothing but a wacked-out kook.
It is an undeniable truth of life that the simplest observations and explanation is usually the truth. Looking for the Government boogie-man in something as horrific as 9-11 serves only those that wish to muddy the waters to push a kook agenda that casts doubts on that which all Americans witnessed with their own eyes.
We have at-length and ad-nauseum on this forum discussed and debated the conspiracies of 9-11. We had structural engineers provide data, our resident hounds dug up reports and documentation and we have wholesale come to the conclusion with all that evidence that 9-11 happened exactly as we saw it happen. No bombs in the WTC, no remote piloted aircraft, no nefarious Bush plan for becomming dictator etc., etc., etc.
I don't buy the kook insanity you are pushing - so please peddle it elsewhere.
So, if you want to defend your beloved President Bush, it is well within your right.
I didn't realize I needed your permission.
You may know kung fu, etc. But I know logic.
Then it's fatally flawed by insane conspiratorial paranoia. You have obviously come to a preconceived conclusion that requires you to craft these insanities into the bizarre loops of pretzledom in order to give your "conspiracy conclusions" legitimacy.
You give the government waaaay too much credit when it has time and again proven it is nothing but an inept behemoth that is slow to react due to bureaucracy and partisan agendas and only good at sucking our money from our wallets and misusing it.
It wasn't a bunch of camel jockeys masterminding this from a cave in Afghanistan. And if you truly believe it was, you are afraid of your own shadow.
Satan would like nothing better than for us to believe he doesn't exist either. Al Qaeda and the Mujahadeen beat back and destroyed the Soviet invasion - our enemies have historically proven they are more than capable of masterminding something as simple as commandeering civillian airliners and turning them into fuel-air bombs.
Both parties are using this politically, and yes, the communists as well. You need to think for yourself and not trust Fox News.
I get my news from the net thank you very much.
I have reluctantly come to the view that the election was unconsitutional.
You are proving yourself a loon with every sentence you post.
...... the constitutional principle is that it should be resolved in the House of Representives and not the Supreme Court.
Tell that to the Democrats who WENT TO THE COURTS TO GET THEIR WAY.
we have now set up the Judicial Branch with more power than could possibly be imagined.
THAT has been going on with oncreasing regularity since Brown Versus Board of Education and Roe V Wade. The Left in this nation cannot get their agendas passed via legislation - so they use the Courts to do it for them and bog the entire system down in endless litigation by a priesthood of lawyers and Judges..
The 2000 elections HAVE NOTHING to do with the Judicial Activism abolishing the Constitution incrementally. The SC had to issue the decision on the FL debacle because the Democrats had litigated it in the courts.
The "American Way". What might that be? Might makes right?
In our case - yes. We have real enemies in a real world that has a 6000 year history of evil and opression on the majority of mankind. We are an abberration of that 6000 year history. If we wish to continue, then force is all the world understands.
But to say that it was "right" to kill Indians, take their land, and stick them on reservations is a bit of stretch, isn't it?
God allows things for His Purpose. Take the issue up with Him - for He Himself ordered His People to utterly annihilate the Caananites and posess their lands in Ancient Israel. Had God decided manifest destiny was not of His desire for us as a nation - we would have come to nothing as a nation by at least the end of the Civil War.
But blessed we were, and the most powerful nation in all history have we become - none of that without the blessing of God, all our woes and evils included.
Our economic way will shortly be leaving you with questions about the purpose of the Federal Reserve Board. And a 30-40 % tax rate, which is what serfs paid, sounds about the norm these days. Again, the American Way?
Not the intent of our Founders. BTW, your numbers are off. To keep government services including SOSEC and medicare at their current levels with no increase of benefits, will require a tax rate of 82% across the board in 10 years - and them is CBO numbers toots.
Yes, we had Henry Ford and the engine of democracy. Have you asked yourself why? Ever researched a few big non-profit organizations like Carnegie?
Ahhh yes, I was wondering when you were gonna get to reveal your marxist motivations.
Capitalism works. It is our system, not perfect - but the system that has brought the world's standard of living to all-time historic highs. I have no time to go hunting for the nefarious world domination plots you people dig up at every turn.
Wilson and Roosevelt run on peace platforms. The result - US involvement in WWI and WWII. More American Way?
No, more of the "Turn a blind eye and ignore evil way". We got into both wars, and our current one because America DIDN'T adress the problems brewing overseas until the problems ended up visiting our doors and we cold no longer ignore them.
What did Korea and Vietnam get us? We both know the U.S. could have won them. Why didn't we? Because it was the American Way?
No, because we let the UN dictate our policies for appearances sake.
However, I am open minded enough about history to not resort to name calling.
A commie-lib pinko Socialist is nothing but a commie-lib pinko Socialist. I call things what they are - based on what they are.
Ask yourself why you think we are always right.
Our generosity, service, sacrifice, and leadership is unlike anything ever recorded in the entirety of human history. We have defeated tyranny and evil with the blood of our own sons, aided freind and foe alike in times of natural disaster and famine, and through our own blood, sweat and tears - have lifted this sick world's standards as they desire to emulate us and share in the wealth and prosperity that we have been blessed with by God, and that we have built on our national character and good will.
That is why America is right.
Sometimes we are not - national self-interest or because of other factors?
Human nature is human nature. This is the way of the world, and we are not immune from it. However, there is no better place on earth than right here in the good ol' US of A. Perhaps France is more to your liking for a home?
Self-examination is very important.
No one is saying it isn't. But I note how quickly and how often you people blame America First for everything - and play apologists for the rest of the world's evil in order to paint Amreica as the great Satan.
David ("The pinko scumsucking crypto fascistic Communist with a Libertarian twist ...)
At least you're honest about who you are.
and I've decided to start a new thread for the sole purpose of continuing and furthering that debate.
Many news items are becomming fraught with the arguments of the kook Left and the rabid Right in this country - mainly stemming from the Bash America movement that injects every subject with any political overtones with it's venom.
So I decided to have at with this debate and to free-up the threads that were taken off-course with this argument.
This is the thread to have that argument.
Bashing America - The Great Right versus Left debate.
****
Invar, .....Bush - Campaign Finance Reform (backed by the Supreme Court) Tally - First Amendment Gone.
You forgot to add the parts about the removal of the Commandments Monument (Separation of C&S Myth) upheld by the SC, the restrictions on peacable assembly and regulations on redressing grievances.
Bush the Elder and the late 1980's weapons statutes (Brady Bill?)
Clinton - Assault Rifle Ban
Been going on since 1934 and ensconced in illegal precedent by the 1939 unlawful SC ruling that all gun laws are built upon.
Now, turning to 9/11.
If you truly believe that a bunch of "fundamentalist" muslims who hang out in titty bars drinking alcohol and eating pork could take a fly-by-night (pun intended) training course, fly a few hours and hit the WTC's, then you might as well crawl under your bed and fear the tooth fairy.
You don't understand Radical Islam, OR our enemies' thinking. Islamic law more than allows for a Muslim to lie, rape, murder and deceive unbelievers in order to "defend" Islam.
Your insane need to delve into the rabid kook conspiratorialism that both the Islamic Press and the rabid left in this country engage in only solidifies my opinion that you're nothing but a wacked-out kook.
It is an undeniable truth of life that the simplest observations and explanation is usually the truth. Looking for the Government boogie-man in something as horrific as 9-11 serves only those that wish to muddy the waters to push a kook agenda that casts doubts on that which all Americans witnessed with their own eyes.
We have at-length and ad-nauseum on this forum discussed and debated the conspiracies of 9-11. We had structural engineers provide data, our resident hounds dug up reports and documentation and we have wholesale come to the conclusion with all that evidence that 9-11 happened exactly as we saw it happen. No bombs in the WTC, no remote piloted aircraft, no nefarious Bush plan for becomming dictator etc., etc., etc.
I don't buy the kook insanity you are pushing - so please peddle it elsewhere.
So, if you want to defend your beloved President Bush, it is well within your right.
I didn't realize I needed your permission.
You may know kung fu, etc. But I know logic.
Then it's fatally flawed by insane conspiratorial paranoia. You have obviously come to a preconceived conclusion that requires you to craft these insanities into the bizarre loops of pretzledom in order to give your "conspiracy conclusions" legitimacy.
You give the government waaaay too much credit when it has time and again proven it is nothing but an inept behemoth that is slow to react due to bureaucracy and partisan agendas and only good at sucking our money from our wallets and misusing it.
It wasn't a bunch of camel jockeys masterminding this from a cave in Afghanistan. And if you truly believe it was, you are afraid of your own shadow.
Satan would like nothing better than for us to believe he doesn't exist either. Al Qaeda and the Mujahadeen beat back and destroyed the Soviet invasion - our enemies have historically proven they are more than capable of masterminding something as simple as commandeering civillian airliners and turning them into fuel-air bombs.
Both parties are using this politically, and yes, the communists as well. You need to think for yourself and not trust Fox News.
I get my news from the net thank you very much.
I have reluctantly come to the view that the election was unconsitutional.
You are proving yourself a loon with every sentence you post.
...... the constitutional principle is that it should be resolved in the House of Representives and not the Supreme Court.
Tell that to the Democrats who WENT TO THE COURTS TO GET THEIR WAY.
we have now set up the Judicial Branch with more power than could possibly be imagined.
THAT has been going on with oncreasing regularity since Brown Versus Board of Education and Roe V Wade. The Left in this nation cannot get their agendas passed via legislation - so they use the Courts to do it for them and bog the entire system down in endless litigation by a priesthood of lawyers and Judges..
The 2000 elections HAVE NOTHING to do with the Judicial Activism abolishing the Constitution incrementally. The SC had to issue the decision on the FL debacle because the Democrats had litigated it in the courts.
The "American Way". What might that be? Might makes right?
In our case - yes. We have real enemies in a real world that has a 6000 year history of evil and opression on the majority of mankind. We are an abberration of that 6000 year history. If we wish to continue, then force is all the world understands.
But to say that it was "right" to kill Indians, take their land, and stick them on reservations is a bit of stretch, isn't it?
God allows things for His Purpose. Take the issue up with Him - for He Himself ordered His People to utterly annihilate the Caananites and posess their lands in Ancient Israel. Had God decided manifest destiny was not of His desire for us as a nation - we would have come to nothing as a nation by at least the end of the Civil War.
But blessed we were, and the most powerful nation in all history have we become - none of that without the blessing of God, all our woes and evils included.
Our economic way will shortly be leaving you with questions about the purpose of the Federal Reserve Board. And a 30-40 % tax rate, which is what serfs paid, sounds about the norm these days. Again, the American Way?
Not the intent of our Founders. BTW, your numbers are off. To keep government services including SOSEC and medicare at their current levels with no increase of benefits, will require a tax rate of 82% across the board in 10 years - and them is CBO numbers toots.
Yes, we had Henry Ford and the engine of democracy. Have you asked yourself why? Ever researched a few big non-profit organizations like Carnegie?
Ahhh yes, I was wondering when you were gonna get to reveal your marxist motivations.
Capitalism works. It is our system, not perfect - but the system that has brought the world's standard of living to all-time historic highs. I have no time to go hunting for the nefarious world domination plots you people dig up at every turn.
Wilson and Roosevelt run on peace platforms. The result - US involvement in WWI and WWII. More American Way?
No, more of the "Turn a blind eye and ignore evil way". We got into both wars, and our current one because America DIDN'T adress the problems brewing overseas until the problems ended up visiting our doors and we cold no longer ignore them.
What did Korea and Vietnam get us? We both know the U.S. could have won them. Why didn't we? Because it was the American Way?
No, because we let the UN dictate our policies for appearances sake.
However, I am open minded enough about history to not resort to name calling.
A commie-lib pinko Socialist is nothing but a commie-lib pinko Socialist. I call things what they are - based on what they are.
Ask yourself why you think we are always right.
Our generosity, service, sacrifice, and leadership is unlike anything ever recorded in the entirety of human history. We have defeated tyranny and evil with the blood of our own sons, aided freind and foe alike in times of natural disaster and famine, and through our own blood, sweat and tears - have lifted this sick world's standards as they desire to emulate us and share in the wealth and prosperity that we have been blessed with by God, and that we have built on our national character and good will.
That is why America is right.
Sometimes we are not - national self-interest or because of other factors?
Human nature is human nature. This is the way of the world, and we are not immune from it. However, there is no better place on earth than right here in the good ol' US of A. Perhaps France is more to your liking for a home?
Self-examination is very important.
No one is saying it isn't. But I note how quickly and how often you people blame America First for everything - and play apologists for the rest of the world's evil in order to paint Amreica as the great Satan.
David ("The pinko scumsucking crypto fascistic Communist with a Libertarian twist ...)
At least you're honest about who you are.