ECON Bitcoin vs Gold

Great Northwet

Veteran Member
While there are a couple other threads on main on this topic, I thought it prudent to start another thread on this topic.

Here is the link: Bitcoin Vs. Gold: Who Won The ZeroHedge Debate? | ZeroHedge

It's a debate between Schiff and Roubini for gold and Voorhees and Scaramucci for bitcoin. The debate goes as one might expect but when I started reading the comments-that's where all of the real scholars are. It took me an hour to read through 330 comments. I think the debate was staged to get people to decide one way or another, but the comments get technical, and in some cases hilarious!

One of the most interesting parts of social media is that you have to wait for the other person to finish speaking(typing) before you can respond. Then you can think about it before you call them an idiot. That wouldn't happen in a coffee house or a bar.

The point that I hope I'm making is that reading through all of the comments hands out the real knowledge for us to make decisions.

As for Gold vs bitcoin; I have both. Different currencies for different uses.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Most of the people screaming gold are holding only paper gold and don’t realize how tenuous their position actually is, but they sure do love to lord it over everyone. Tulips and that bullshit.

Unlike me, I hold both physical and also bitcoin, crypto, and a slug if other things that helps with one’s social credit score.

In other words don’t have all of your eggs in one basket!
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Paper gold is for trading, real gold is for wealth preservation and BTC is for speculation as you can’t legitimately call something a currency (imo) that has had such wild swings in it’s valuation. And if people are honest with themselves most of those who hold BTC are doing so because they think the price is going to go up (that is speculation) and not because they are using it on a regular basis to buy/sell stuff.

And likewise a goodly number of people that own gold/silver are also speculating buying them because they think the price will go up. What they don’t realize is that the dollar is failing and the metal preserves their purchasing power unlike the paper in their wallets or digits in an ethereal account.
 

phloydius

Veteran Member
I've learned three important things over the years as it relates to money, bitcoin, and gold...

(1) Most of the people that hate on cryptocurrencies (like bitcoin) and do not hold any just don't understand the the power of the technology.
(2) Most of the people that hate on gold or silver and do not physically hold any don't understand money.
(3) Most of the people that hate on both do not realize the differences between money, currency, and fiat currencies.

And these are not reasons to belittle, attack, nor chastise those that do not understand. Instead it is an opportunity to help educate those that can and are willing to learn so they we are all not destroyed for lack of knowledge.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Marry the blockchain to real gold and you have a new global reserve currency that can be verified to the satisfaction of all and prevents the bankers and governments from playing three card monte with the money printing. But they would have to be dragged to that kicking and screaming.

My primary problem with BTC and the other crypto's is I don't see that global monetary authorities tolerating competition to their monopoly with the financial system. You mess too much with the stated order of things and they simply kill you. Khadaffi and Saddam both wanted to institute a gold backed dinar in their country so we invaded them, stole the gold and killed them in the process.

I do believe they want to go digital and all governments of the world are quickly working towards that end. I just don't think they will tolerate competition. Even if you use it as a private individual for peer to peer use nobody that has a business license will be able to use it and stay in business if governments outlaw them.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Connected article;

Can the IRS Track Cryptocurrency? (2024 Update)​


Key takeaways​

  • Major exchanges like Coinbase and Kraken report to the IRS through 1099 forms.
  • In addition, the IRS works with contractors like Chainalysis to analyze public blockchain transactions and match ‘anonymous’ wallets to known investors.
  • To avoid future trouble with the IRS, investors should report all taxable income from crypto on their tax return.
Trying to evade cryptocurrency taxes is a bad idea.

As the cryptocurrency ecosystem has grown in size, the federal government has dedicated more resources to crack down on crypto tax fraud.

In this guide, we’ll break down everything you need to know about how the IRS tracks cryptocurrency transactions. We’ll also share a simple method that can help you report your cryptocurrency on your tax return in minutes.


Can the IRS track anonymous wallets?​

Because cryptocurrency transactions are pseudo-anonymous, many investors believe that they cannot be traced. This is not true.

Transactions on blockchains like Bitcoin and Ethereum are publicly visible. That means that the IRS can track crypto transactions simply by matching ‘anonymous’ transactions to known individuals.

In the past, the IRS has partnered with contractors like Chainalysis to analyze blockchain transactions and crack down on tax fraud.


Do major exchanges report to the IRS?​

If you’ve signed up with a cryptocurrency exchange, you’ve likely given personal information such as your name, date of birth, and a copy of your personal ID. Major exchanges that operate within the United States are required by law to collect this information due to Know Your Customer (KYC) regulations.

The IRS can and has requested these records from exchanges. In the past, the IRS has issued John Doe Summons to exchanges like Coinbase and Kraken.

IRS requesting information from crypto exchanges

In addition, major exchanges issue 1099 forms to customers and to the IRS reporting on your crypto transaction activity. If you don’t report transactions that have been reported to the IRS via Form 1099, you may automatically be sent a warning letter about your unpaid tax liability.

In the future, the IRS will have even more information about cryptocurrency investors at its disposal. Due to the 2021 American infrastructure bill, major exchanges operating in the United States will soon be required to report all cryptocurrency disposals to the IRS.


Which crypto exchanges report to the IRS?​

Most major exchanges operating in the US issue 1099 forms to customers. Exchanges that issue 1099 forms include, but are not limited to, the following:

  • Coinbase
  • Kraken
  • Gemini
  • Crypto.com
  • Binance.US
  • Robinhood
  • PayPal

Which crypto exchanges do not report to the IRS?​

Here are a few cryptocurrency exchanges that don’t require Know Your Customer information from customers and do not send 1099 forms.

  • KuCoin
  • MexC
  • HODL HODL
Many of these exchanges place restrictions on customer’s ability to trade without KYC. For example, you’re required to verify your identity to make crypto-to-crypto and derivative trades on MexC.

In addition, it’s important to remember that these exchanges may change their tax reporting policies in the future as the U.S. government cracks down on crypto tax evasion. In recent years, exchanges like Binance have introduced KYC policies in response to government pressure.

For more information, check out our list of non-KYC exchanges.


Why does the IRS ask if I own cryptocurrency?​

In recent years, the IRS has increased scrutiny on cryptocurrency transactions. In 2020, a new question was added to Form 1040 that specifically asked taxpayers if they transacted in cryptocurrency during the tax year.

Remember, answering 'Yes' to this question will not increase your crypto tax liability. It’s likely that the IRS is asking this question to gather more information about the digital asset ecosystem.

On the other hand, not answering this question truthfully is a red-flag to the IRS. It’s possible you’re more likely to be audited from doing so.


Trying to hide your cryptocurrency from the IRS is a bad idea.

Remember, tax evasion is a felony. The maximum penalty for tax evasion is 5 years in prison and up to $100,000 in fines plus the cost of prosecution.

Instead of trying to hide your cryptocurrency, check out our guide to avoiding crypto taxes legally.


Can the IRS audit me for cryptocurrency?​

The IRS can audit you if they have reason to believe that you are underreporting your taxable income from cryptocurrency.

Typically, the limit for conducting an audit is three years after a taxpayer has filed their tax return. In cases of fraud, there is no limit to how far the IRS can go back in a tax audit.


Can the IRS track NFTs?​

Just like cryptocurrency transactions, NFT transactions on blockchains like Ethereum are publicly visible. The IRS can use the same methods it uses to identify ‘anonymous’ wallets to identify ‘anonymous’ NFT holders.


Which crypto exchanges do not report to the IRS?​

Currently, centralized exchanges like KuCoin and decentralized exchanges like Uniswap do not collect KYC (Know Your Customer) information from users.

However, it’s important to remember that exchange policies may change in the future as the U.S. government cracks down on crypto tax evasion. In recent years, exchanges like Binance have introduced KYC policies in response to government pressure.

For more information, check out our list of non-KYC exchanges.

 

Great Northwet

Veteran Member
This.
Silver too. And land. And lead.
And friends.
I had a conversation with a couple of coeds at the University awhile back. They were asking about guns and why do you have to own 4 of them. I explained that they have different uses. They thought it was one size fits all. After I explained it to them-including telling them that I don't like guns-they asked me why I have them if I don't like them? I said it's because I understand their use and value-silence for a bit after that.
 
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