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Hfcomms

EN66iq
April 24, 2024

This is why those who understand these dynamics are getting out, even though the city was their home.



A correspondent who prefers to remain anonymous sent me this account of the "doom loop" that is playing out in many American cities. The correspondent makes the case that the Doom Loop is not limited to specific cities, but is a universal dynamic in all US cities due to the core causes of the Doom Loop: financialization and the multi-decade decay of cities' core industrial-economic purpose / mission.

I have edited the text slightly, with the correspondent's approval.

The context of the Doom Loop is the process and politics of this decay are the second-order results of central bank easy money (free fiat). That led to financialization becoming the city's core function and the subsequent loss of the city's previous mission. The people living in cities just haven't gotten the message yet.

As such, there is no reversing the process until the centralization of capital itself is reversed.

The typical media articles on metropolitan "doom loops" make it seem like not every city is headed down the path. Now that financialization does not require a physical presence, every city above a certain size will share the same experience. There will be local variations which impact the trend, such as a potential utility as a large pool of voters (i.e. a vote farm), but the decline is part and parcel of financial 'virtualization.'

It is inevitable.

Even hosting one of the twelve central reserve banks won't save you.

The process when a city loses its purpose but persists due to inertia follows this basic pattern:

1. Corporate consolidation costs the city its financial base as Fortune 100 corporations are sold to conglomerates closer to the centers of finance.

This is one more second-order effect of easy money: global corporations can easily finance the acquisition of multi-billion dollar companies.

2. In the past, cities received huge government subsidies for re-development, but none for ongoing maintenance. All the redevelopment projects looked great at first, but with little funding for maintenance, they've gone downhill and many are now dangerous.

Today, the only redevelopment is done by the billionaire class who makes most of their money from (surprise) finance. Once the billionaire loses interest, it's gone, too.

I would rather find myself in a developing-world city than an American downtown, at least there would be people around. Many American downtowns are literally apocalyptic.

3. Major league sports are increasingly an exercise in force protection. It's like going inside a forward firebase in Iraq. People still get shot in the stands from guns fired outside the bubble. Unsurprisingly, some major league teams are exploring space outside the cities despite their stadiums being only 20 years old.

4. When federal agencies build new facilities, they're essentially fortresses with direct entrance/egress from the highway. They add little to nothing to the surrounding economy.

5. Real estate, sales and personal property taxes in cities are typically the highest within the state. As tax revenues decline, cities' political leaders increase business taxes and start floating ideas such as taxing non-profit organizations: a financial death spiral indeed. Should taxes increase, organizations and companies have said they will leave.

6. In the industrial economy, the core purposes of cities were derived from advantageous locations and key transportation assets (first water, then rail, then roads, and later aviation). In the information age, those benefits are diminished or gone. As a result of their transportation advantages, cities became manufacturing and warehousing hubs. Those too are diminished or gone.

7. Cities have lost their core economic purpose and are choking on their high legacy costs. The proposed substitute purposes--entertainment and bourgeois lifestyles--are not true substitutes. Fine dining and secure condos with delivery do not replace actual economic functions.

8. Making matters worse, the upper-middle class doesn't want affordable housing in their enclaves, as it lowers property values. So the workers needed to keep the city functioning can no longer afford to live there. Yes In My Backyard (YIMBY)movements to promote affordable housing are not enough.

9. Much of the politics the media focuses on are a consequence of decline, not a cause, and the net result of all the in-fighting is some version of stasis: all sorts of solutions are proposed, but since none address the core sources of decline or the cities' high legacy costs, they boil down to rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

This is why those who understand these dynamics are getting out, even though the city was their home.

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Cities' "Doom Loops" Are Even Worse Than You Imagined
 

toxic avenger

Senior Member
The entire class of people who collect govt benefits as their “livelihood “ discovered they don’t need to live in the city to do so. Many have moved or are moving to suburban and rural areas because they receive the same benefits but the money goes farther. They complain about all of the big city problems and say that is their reason for moving away, but then tend to keep their big city mentality.

None of them understand the trade off in smaller communities is the citizens are on the hook for many services. One example is fire department and ambulance services are usually volunteers. And they need donations of time and funding to operate. Many of the transplants don’t volunteer because their “disability“ won’t allow it. Additional strains are placed on volunteer services by an increasing population that use the services but contribute nothing in return.

Also for the newcomers, there is less public transportation, so some are obtaining a shitbox car and learning to drive for the first time. There go your insurance rates. Have a backyard for the first time in your life? Great, but you need to mow it. Because now there are racoons taking refuge in your yard. And why are they there in the first place? Well you don’t have a landlord to have your trash collected and instead of hiring a trash collector, you either stockpile it in your yard or dump it on unattended property. The kids are the worst, because in their minds the only way to deal with stress is by acting out. They also see a community of people living with their guard down as easy pickings.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Cities have lost their core economic purpose and are choking on their high legacy costs.
This IMO is the single most important statement in the piece. Cities came from towns, which came from groups of settlers banding together for ease of trade. When trade isn’t part of a city’s “charter,” the reason for the city’s very existence becomes unclear.

Further, legacy (infrastructure) costs always increase, because of there being no limit to the gradual rise caused ultimately by constant wage increases. Those costs drive EVERYTHING else. For example, when I first came to live in Austin in 2012, my combined water/sewer/trash bill was about $60 a month. Today, that bill is $105 a month and due to rise again soon. Power cost about 5¢ a KWH when I arrived here as well. Now, I’m on the cheapest plan I could find at 13¢ a KWH. And all the other plans are 17¢ or higher! I’m on year 2 of a 5 year contract, during which my rate cannot be raised. I’m scared to death what awaits me when that contract expires.

Finally, as infrastructure maintenance costs increase, levels of maintenance decrease. Things fall into disrepair, which invites vandalism. Think of the “broken window” theory,

But the hipsters and wokesters love their cities. They’re addicted to their “Uber Eats” lifestyle, and the thought of leaving a city (except to go to another one) never occurs to them. And the influx of “migrant” wokesters keeps driving up costs, at which time you have “rinse and repeat.” Most of us on this forum either already are, or desperately want, to live in the country. That means they and we are wired differently.

There is no escape from the Doom Loop. It’s only a matter of time. And what happens when all major cities are smoking piles of rubble? What then?
 
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Techwreck

Veteran Member
but the decline is part and parcel of financial 'virtualization.'

I remember many years back hearing Fed Chair Alan Greenspan testifying to Congress and explaining then that our economic output and GDP were increasingly "virtual".

Didn't quite grok that at the time, but now see that "financialization" really meant getting rich without producing anything of value.

Great work if you can get it, at least until too many of the producers are put out of business.
 

Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane
Have a backyard for the first time in your life? Great, but you need to mow it. Because now there are racoons taking refuge in your yard.

When I lived down state there was a family that moved next door to me that had come from NYC. They knew nothing about yardwork. I tried to show them, even doing a bit of it for them so they could see. All I got was blank stares.
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
The group psychosis of Liberal Agenda is the core of the failures; the Marxist fairytale has slaughtered liberty and productivity for well over a century, but for some reason that keeps getting ignored... "It will work THIS time! We just need to do it BIGGER!"
 

Calfisher

Veteran Member
Just remember,

One Walmart closes at least 20 small businesses in the surrounding area.

Then add in Home Depot, Costco, Lowes, and all the other big box stores.

Top it off with Amazon delivery.

Main street America is dying or already dead.

We see it all across the countries in our travels.
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I agree with everything in the OP, but will note that the author - like virtually all authors and journalists in contemporary America - studiously avoided the matter of racial demographics. This issue is at least as important as everything else listed.

In all of America's - and the rest of the world's - cities, when the African population reaches a certain critical point, the city experiences a terminal and irreversible decline. The issue strikes such fear into the hearts of journalists and other writers that not one in a thousand will even begin to address the matter forthrightly or honestly. Most, like the author of the OP, will simply avoid the topic entirely, leaving readers to fill in the blanks.

Best
Doc
 

Toosh

Veteran Member
It's simple. We don't make anything. Manufacturing is all but gone. A service-based economy can't sustain itself.

Even farmers - who I used to think of as producers, are now large consumers of seed, specialized fertilizers, insecticides and fungicides - plus all the fancy technology that farms use these days.

The problem now is that China owns most of the world's raw materials. Even if we wanted to make something we'd have to buy the raw materials from someplace becasue drilling, fracking, mining and what in the US is outlawed.
 

Signwatcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I agree with everything in the OP, but will note that the author - like virtually all authors and journalists in contemporary America - studiously avoided the matter of racial demographics. This issue is at least as important as everything else listed.

In all of America's - and the rest of the world's - cities, when the African population reaches a certain critical point, the city experiences a terminal and irreversible decline. The issue strikes such fear into the hearts of journalists and other writers that not one in a thousand will even begin to address the matter forthrightly or honestly. Most, like the author of the OP, will simply avoid the topic entirely, leaving readers to fill in the blanks.

Best
Doc

I actually witnessed this in Flake City as a child.

My paternal Grandparents lived on the outskirts of the business district and the neighborhood changed colors as I grew up. They moved out when I was 8. Archway Cookies bought them out. Grandparents were the first house (they were next door to Kendall Electric on one side and my maternal Great Grandparents on the other side. Next to them was Archway Cookies.

Long ago and far away, as my Mom used to say.

My Grandpa was a tough old dude. Think Clint Eastwood and "now get off my lawn." He would sit on the screened in porch and dry shoot the Ni**ers as he called them back in the '60s.

I didn't get racism back then. A black woman walking by my Grandparent's house made me pause as a four year old and look at my Grandma and then her and point at each respectively, saying: Grandma, you're vanilla and she's chocolate!

Ah, youthful innocence. The black lady smiled at us as she walked by and my Grandma looked really embarrassed.

Good thing she wasn't with us when I was about two eating in a restaurant with my folks.

I looked over at a black gentleman and pointed and said, "See the monkey, Momma? See the monkey?" in a clear loud voice.

I actually remember it. I have a lot of early memories.

Well, sufficient to say, my Mom and Dad would have liked the earth to open up and swallow us.

Ah, it's so fun to recall memories of the past as we get ready to watch the cities burn.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
I have taken city acquaintances into the offroad Appalachia. They quite literally could be considered fish out of water. (my insertion into NYC would be no different)

Ol Remus got into this subject on one of his weekly bouts of palaver. City folk would be petrified in the woods at night...
Yes. Good. On the rare moments I cross paths with such, I always remind them of the ticks with their lethal, debilitating diseases, black flies, mosquitoes, no-see-ups, deer flies, horse flies, and rabid animals, and occasional bears, moose hurtling through windshields at night on back roads, drunk hunters, waiting to greet them if they ever come to visit. And if I have the time, I fill in the parts about 5’ blizzards of snow, falling giant trees in the wind and ice storms, 2 weeks at a time without power from the grid occasionally, forest fires known to wipe out entire villages in a single night, and leach field failures…
 

SurvivalRing

Rich Fleetwood - Founder - author/coder/podcaster
We grew up in Dallas, in the sixties and seventies. In 1969, Plano had a population of under 20k. Now it’s pushing 300k…

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Worked all over north Dallas, mostly in manufacturing, with some computer jobs. Never had issues with any demographic, but before 1990 I had a few blacks under me in a 2000 employee company where I was the computer operations manager for a tech company just outside the loop of LBJ freeway.

Before that, I had several small scale jobs where I worked mostly with Hispanics. Several didn’t speak English, but we could communicate with various hand signals at the end of an extrusion machine (think small to very large flat plastic material, mostly used in lighting products).

First two years as a city letter carrier was in Farmers Branch, a sleepy subdivision literally across interstate 35E from the above mentioned computer job. A large number of blacks, including supervisors and coworkers…but NOTHING compared to my transfer to Bessemer, Alabama.

There, coworkers were 75% black, all managers were black, and the entire population of 65k in Bessemer/Hueytown were 65% black and Hispanic. Never had a problem with my coworkers, nor managers, and precious little bad and evil customers…until the day I was targeted in a driveby. That was *the* reason I moved my family to Wyoming, and there I met a lot of native Americans while in Lander and Riverton.

Same issue as above. Never had issues with any NA in those areas. Worked with several during my college time and years at the Wyoming Honor Farm. I was color blind.

The first person to truly hurt my family and I was a former friend of mine I’d known since junior high in Plano. Total and utter destruction of everything I’d believed in. Oh, and he was white. That month after the trucking job I’d had, was the ONLY time we’ve ever been homeless. Yeah…he did that to us.

When I was hired for the Apple Maps job as a field operator, my coworkers were nearly ALL minorities. You know, what our CURRENT society believes should be given jobs based on color…period.

Mapped all of SoCal, the western third of Oregon, and the entire state of Washington. This was July of 2017, to April of 2018. The amount of crime, corruption, homelessness, and power hungry politicians was breathtakingly horrific…everywhere you looked.

After the west coast, our team traveled to north Texas, where I hadn’t been in almost 25 years. The amount of growth, and then gentrification was mind boggling. Our old neighborhood was nearly ALL Hispanic. I could barely wrap my head around the collapse of my home town.

Then after finishing Texas, we convoyed to Columbus, Ohio…someplace I’d never been, being permanently injured in that damn wreck the day before arriving. I worked another ten days after the accident, before heading home for my allotted week off…two month AFTER I was supposed to get it.

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What I’d seen in SoCal and Seattle gave me a heads-up of what to expect in Columbus. At this point, I didn’t need to see anymore, and when I got home to begin the odyssey of finding out what had been broken in that wreck…and never returned. Not a single soul called to check on me…coworkers or managers. That was a kick in the ass of my love of the job…

While you can gather a lot of intel in your personal areas of concern via media, news, and etc, NOTHING will teach you just exactly how bad it is, until you’ve walked and worked amongst these selfish, condescending, and woke-ass douche wagons for months at a time…

So yes, after all that above, we moved to Wyoming a SECOND time, and here we’ll stay…and eventually die. I just hope it’s of old age, and not civil war from the fall of freedom and liberty.
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
April 24, 2024

This is why those who understand these dynamics are getting out, even though the city was their home.



A correspondent who prefers to remain anonymous sent me this account of the "doom loop" that is playing out in many American cities. The correspondent makes the case that the Doom Loop is not limited to specific cities, but is a universal dynamic in all US cities due to the core causes of the Doom Loop: financialization and the multi-decade decay of cities' core industrial-economic purpose / mission.

I have edited the text slightly, with the correspondent's approval.

The context of the Doom Loop is the process and politics of this decay are the second-order results of central bank easy money (free fiat). That led to financialization becoming the city's core function and the subsequent loss of the city's previous mission. The people living in cities just haven't gotten the message yet.

As such, there is no reversing the process until the centralization of capital itself is reversed.

The typical media articles on metropolitan "doom loops" make it seem like not every city is headed down the path. Now that financialization does not require a physical presence, every city above a certain size will share the same experience. There will be local variations which impact the trend, such as a potential utility as a large pool of voters (i.e. a vote farm), but the decline is part and parcel of financial 'virtualization.'

It is inevitable.

Even hosting one of the twelve central reserve banks won't save you.

The process when a city loses its purpose but persists due to inertia follows this basic pattern:

1. Corporate consolidation costs the city its financial base as Fortune 100 corporations are sold to conglomerates closer to the centers of finance.

This is one more second-order effect of easy money: global corporations can easily finance the acquisition of multi-billion dollar companies.

2. In the past, cities received huge government subsidies for re-development, but none for ongoing maintenance. All the redevelopment projects looked great at first, but with little funding for maintenance, they've gone downhill and many are now dangerous.

Today, the only redevelopment is done by the billionaire class who makes most of their money from (surprise) finance. Once the billionaire loses interest, it's gone, too.

I would rather find myself in a developing-world city than an American downtown, at least there would be people around. Many American downtowns are literally apocalyptic.

3. Major league sports are increasingly an exercise in force protection. It's like going inside a forward firebase in Iraq. People still get shot in the stands from guns fired outside the bubble. Unsurprisingly, some major league teams are exploring space outside the cities despite their stadiums being only 20 years old.

4. When federal agencies build new facilities, they're essentially fortresses with direct entrance/egress from the highway. They add little to nothing to the surrounding economy.

5. Real estate, sales and personal property taxes in cities are typically the highest within the state. As tax revenues decline, cities' political leaders increase business taxes and start floating ideas such as taxing non-profit organizations: a financial death spiral indeed. Should taxes increase, organizations and companies have said they will leave.

6. In the industrial economy, the core purposes of cities were derived from advantageous locations and key transportation assets (first water, then rail, then roads, and later aviation). In the information age, those benefits are diminished or gone. As a result of their transportation advantages, cities became manufacturing and warehousing hubs. Those too are diminished or gone.

7. Cities have lost their core economic purpose and are choking on their high legacy costs. The proposed substitute purposes--entertainment and bourgeois lifestyles--are not true substitutes. Fine dining and secure condos with delivery do not replace actual economic functions.

8. Making matters worse, the upper-middle class doesn't want affordable housing in their enclaves, as it lowers property values. So the workers needed to keep the city functioning can no longer afford to live there. Yes In My Backyard (YIMBY)movements to promote affordable housing are not enough.

9. Much of the politics the media focuses on are a consequence of decline, not a cause, and the net result of all the in-fighting is some version of stasis: all sorts of solutions are proposed, but since none address the core sources of decline or the cities' high legacy costs, they boil down to rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

This is why those who understand these dynamics are getting out, even though the city was their home.

lifestyle.jpg


Cities' "Doom Loops" Are Even Worse Than You Imagined
True.

OA
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
America has become Babylon, and with the invasion by multitudes of foreign races, cultures, Customs, religions, and the destruction of borders - all by design - by our very own “leaders” and their financial supporters, our former racial, religious, cultural homogeneity is been fractured and destroyed. In a sense, “America” was always an idea based on the principles Stated by its Founding Fathers. But once it was forced to abandon the above conditions that defined its homogeneity, the truly binding causes of unity have weakened and finally disappeared.

once the conditions necessary to create “prosperity and peace” WITHOUT SIN evaporate, all is lost. The America of the civil war period had everything necessary for “peace and prosperity” but had already been soiled by the sin of slavery, and that sin arrived by the importation of tens of thousands of slaves from another continent, another race, another culture, another “religion”.
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
NYC will be the first to cave in ,starting with bankruptcy, remember this prediction.
I'm not sure we will see any city bankruptcies.
This is because the Federal Reserve is the lender of last resort. The Fed has already bailed out the state of Illinois and who knows how many others.
 

jond911

Contributing Member
We grew up in Dallas, in the sixties and seventies. In 1969, Plano had a population of under 20k. Now it’s pushing 300k…

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Worked all over north Dallas, mostly in manufacturing, with some computer jobs. Never had issues with any demographic, but before 1990 I had a few blacks under me in a 2000 employee company where I was the computer operations manager for a tech company just outside the loop of LBJ freeway.

Before that, I had several small scale jobs where I worked mostly with Hispanics. Several didn’t speak English, but we could communicate with various hand signals at the end of an extrusion machine (think small to very large flat plastic material, mostly used in lighting products).

First two years as a city letter carrier was in Farmers Branch, a sleepy subdivision literally across interstate 35E from the above mentioned computer job. A large number of blacks, including supervisors and coworkers…but NOTHING compared to my transfer to Bessemer, Alabama.

There, coworkers were 75% black, all managers were black, and the entire population of 65k in Bessemer/Hueytown were 65% black and Hispanic. Never had a problem with my coworkers, nor managers, and precious little bad and evil customers…until the day I was targeted in a driveby. That was *the* reason I moved my family to Wyoming, and there I met a lot of native Americans while in Lander and Riverton.

Same issue as above. Never had issues with any NA in those areas. Worked with several during my college time and years at the Wyoming Honor Farm. I was color blind.

The first person to truly hurt my family and I was a former friend of mine I’d known since junior high in Plano. Total and utter destruction of everything I’d believed in. Oh, and he was white. That month after the trucking job I’d had, was the ONLY time we’ve ever been homeless. Yeah…he did that to us.

When I was hired for the Apple Maps job as a field operator, my coworkers were nearly ALL minorities. You know, what our CURRENT society believes should be given jobs based on color…period.

Mapped all of SoCal, the western third of Oregon, and the entire state of Washington. This was July of 2017, to April of 2018. The amount of crime, corruption, homelessness, and power hungry politicians was breathtakingly horrific…everywhere you looked.

After the west coast, our team traveled to north Texas, where I hadn’t been in almost 25 years. The amount of growth, and then gentrification was mind boggling. Our old neighborhood was nearly ALL Hispanic. I could barely wrap my head around the collapse of my home town.

Then after finishing Texas, we convoyed to Columbus, Ohio…someplace I’d never been, being permanently injured in that damn wreck the day before arriving. I worked another ten days after the accident, before heading home for my allotted week off…two month AFTER I was supposed to get it.

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What I’d seen in SoCal and Seattle gave me a heads-up of what to expect in Columbus. At this point, I didn’t need to see anymore, and when I got home to begin the odyssey of finding out what had been broken in that wreck…and never returned. Not a single soul called to check on me…coworkers or managers. That was a kick in the ass of my love of the job…

While you can gather a lot of intel in your personal areas of concern via media, news, and etc, NOTHING will teach you just exactly how bad it is, until you’ve walked and worked amongst these selfish, condescending, and woke-ass douche wagons for months at a time…

So yes, after all that above, we moved to Wyoming a SECOND time, and here we’ll stay…and eventually die. I just hope it’s of old age, and not civil war from the fall of freedom and liberty.
Your description of Dallas is perfect. I'm probably a decade younger than you but was born and raised here. Grew up in Mesquite. Currently live in East Dallas by WhiteRock Lake and have worked in IT since around 1993. Started in Richardson when it was booming, then to Plano, made my way to Carrollton / Farmers Branch. Back to Richardson then to Frisco!!! Gentrification is an understatement!! Currently commuting to The Colony every morning. If I don't leave East Dallas by 6am it's impossible to get anywhere in this DUMPSTER FIRE called DFW!!
 
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