VIDEO Container with aid for "refugees" was full of weapons and ammunition

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Publius

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I seen this story earlier today and its not clear if the shipment was headed to the middel east or intended for Greece.

They say it was intended for refugees.
 
Seeker

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Where did this "container" come from in the first place? Who intercepted it? Tipped off? Who (any particular "refugee") was going to pick it up or was it to be delivered to?
 
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Dozdoats

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Looked like sporting shotguns packed in soft cases to me, from what little I could see. NOT the way .mil weapons are packed...
 
Weps

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Here's a Greek site with an article on the confiscated cargo;

(Please bear with me, this is all translated using Google Browser Translator, the link I purposefully shortened because it was a mile long)

About 5,000 guns and 500,000 bullets of 9mm found only in the first two of a total of 14 containers were unsealed and became "sheet and wing" of the men of the Coast Guard ship «HADDAD 1», flag Bolivia, which is tied to the port of Heraklion since found south of Ierapetra to carry weapons though the official charge was container with plastic.

According to the Coast, the first two containers of cargo ship containing 5,000 weapons and nearly 500,000 bullets of 9mm, while counting continues in the presence of customs officials and Prosecutor.

More specifically, on landing, the first two containers which were loaded in Iskenderun in Turkey, found and seized pallets with boxes containing a total of 491 950 bullets of 9mm, and about 5,000 weapons (shotguns police type) whose counting still continues.

It is noteworthy that the documents accompanying the cargo of a ship, do not mention the existence of the obtained made weapons and ammunition, while stressing that the weapons and ammunition were carefully hidden behind simple load, in drawers, cabinets and plastic gymnastic mats, deep into the container Which, according to the Limeniko- demonstrates the organization and the security measures adopted for the illegal transportation of smuggled so if it were a simple test, not became visible.

The Minister of Marine, Christos Zois, referred to the incident by referring to the success of the Coast.

"The coordinated efforts, the immediacy in business, the high sense of professionalism, seriousness in the preparation and the combination of all information, led to localized the ship in question and the large quantity of weapons and ammunition, "he said and added:" The counting of arms and ammunitions are continuing and we hope that soon we will have more information on this case. "


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Lots of photos at the link. Uploaded some for those that might not trust going to the link.
 

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Marthanoir

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Dozdoats said:
Looked like sporting shotguns packed in soft cases to me, from what little I could see. NOT the way .mil weapons are packed...
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They were mainly Turkish shotguns from what I could see, a few of them were tactical style, some riot gun style with wooden furniture,
Can't remember the make but they're definitely Turkish, I've seen the tactical one before they're distinctive
 
Illini Warrior

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Homeland Security rounded up a Muslim family living in Iowa earlier this year .... got $100,000+ cash out of the Middle East for buying up assault rifles around the Upper Midwest .... 5 here - 3 there - 2 in another store - all purchased legal .... the Feds moved in after watching the weapons being hidden among heavy equipment/tools going to the Middle East ....

weapons coming out of Turkey? - going to the Left Bank and the Palestinians for the next terrorist push against Israel ... no freaking refugees involved
 
Illini Warrior

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Marthanoir said:
They were mainly Turkish shotguns from what I could see, a few of them were tactical style, some riot gun style with wooden furniture,
Can't remember the make but they're definitely Turkish, I've seen the tactical one before they're distinctive
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the Yavex US 9mm ammo is also Turkish .... it turns up just about everywhere in the world - looks like someone already has plenty of pistols and machine pistols ....
 
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Adino

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refugees my ass

europe is being invaded

they were clever enough to ship civvie weapons to cover the true jihad roots

shotties and knives in the hands of jihadis in euroland could cause a lot of good ole fashioned muzzie terror
 
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Marthanoir

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Dozdoats said:
Can't shoot 9mm out of shotguns. So where are the shotgun shells and the 9mm firearms??
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These are from the first 2 containers, there's 14 in total that they're working through, who knows what goodies are gonna turn up,

5000 shotguns & 500'000 rounds of 9mm from just 2 containers sounds like more than a dodgy back street arms dealer, looks like the Turks were arming somebody, shotguns & 9mm sounds like they're planning an up close & personal party
 
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Marthanoir

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Adino said:
refugees my ass

europe is being invaded

they were clever enough to ship civvie weapons to cover the true jihad roots

shotties and knives in the hands of jihadis in euroland could cause a lot of good ole fashioned muzzie terror
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Even at just 5000 shotguns, that'd give you 1000 five man ASU's, imagine 1000 5 man teams each assigned to a major city across Europe all going active at the same time at a busy mall, sporting event or such
 
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Marthanoir

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jenzie said:
and without ACTUAL CONTEXT you all have nothing
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You have a consignment of at least 5000 shotguns & 5000'000 rounds of 9mm pistol ammo that was obviously going somewhere, illegally
the European distributor for Hatsan or Akkah or which ever Turkish make these are, isn't gonna carry that many guns,
No drugs gang is large enough to need 5000 shotguns,
When the MV Eksund was intercepted there wasn't that amount weapons or ammo on it
 
wait-n-see

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The shipment was en route to Libya when it was siezed by the Greece Coast Guard

Really pays off to verify information seen on the web since opinions alone are useless when dealing with reality.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/09/02/uk-libya-security-greece-arms-idUKKCN0R20UB20150902

Greek authorities have seized a freighter carrying an undeclared shipment of weapons en route from Turkey to Libya, coast guard officials said on Wednesday.

A coast guard patrol boat raided the vessel on Tuesday, 20 nautical miles northeast of Crete. The freighter, with a crew of seven and which had sailed from the Turkish port of Iskenderun, was escorted to Heraklion port on the island.

The United Nations has imposed an embargo on weapons shipments to Libya, which is plagued by factional conflict.
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Marthanoir

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wait-n-see said:
Getting a little defensive about something? :screw:

I said nothing about that either way in my post, so go find an argument with some one who cares. :rolleyes:
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That was a comment of sarcasm at the current state of the ME, war by proxy and the hypocritical nature of the US admin arming Islamic insurgents while trying to disarm it's own citizens,
 
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Marthanoir said:
You have a consignment of at least 5000 shotguns & 5000'000 rounds of 9mm pistol ammo that was obviously going somewhere, illegally
the European distributor for Hatsan or Akkah or which ever Turkish make these are, isn't gonna carry that many guns,
No drugs gang is large enough to need 5000 shotguns,
When the MV Eksund was intercepted there wasn't that amount weapons or ammo on it
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A lot more than "nothing".
 
Weps

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Yahoo article about the confiscation;

Greek authorities have discovered a gargantuan cache of weapons aboard a cargo ship headed to an Islamist controlled area of Libya.

The coastguard said a search of only the first two of the 14 containers carried by the Bolivian vessel Haddad 1 had revealed almost 500,000 rounds of ammunition and 5,000 shotguns, of a type similar to that used by police, with no accompanying documentation.

They were found at the bottom of the containers, concealed by a load of furniture, including drawers, cupboards, and a layer of gymnastic mats.

The Haddad 1, a rusty 65-metre vessel built in 1976 and registered in the port of La Paz, was intercepted off Ierapetra, southeast of Crete, earlier this week, as it was heading to the Libyan city of Misrata.

Libya-bound cargo ship Haddad 1 weapons

It had left the southern Turkish port of Iskenderun, about 50km from the Syrian border a few days earlier.

Its crew of seven has been arrested, while inspectors continued searching the remaining containers in the port of Crete's largest city, Iraklion. Greek authorities have not released their nationalities, which local media say include Syrians, Egyptians and Indians.

Greek Marine Minister Christos Zois praised the "professionalism" of the coastguard for the identification of the ship, adding the investigation was ongoing and further information would be released at a later stage. "The count of weapons and ammunition is continuing and we hope that soon we will have more information on this case," he said.

It was not immediately clear who the cargo was being shipped to. The port of arrival, Misrata, is controlled by Libya Dawn, an Islamist umbrella group that took over the capital, Tripoli, last year, ousting the internationally recognised government and installing a rival administration.

Greek media however suggested the Islamic State (Isis) local offshoot, a rival of Libya Dawn, based in nearby Sirte was to be the final recipient.

The Turkish government however said the weapons were destined for the Sudanese police force, also claiming the shipment was fully documented. "If investigations by the Greek authorities show that the consignment is going to receivers other than those stated in the documentation, and if that is shared with us, naturally measures could be taken," foreign ministry spokesman Tanju Bilgic told Reuters. He added the vessel also carried building material for Libya, which is subject to a UN arms embargo.

For sure the Haddad 1 doesn't have a very clean record when it comes to maritime transportation.

Greece Weapons cargo Libya Isis

The vessel is currently banned from any European port, under the Paris Memorandum of Understanding (Paris MoU) control system.

In January, it failed to report safety improvements had been made after it was detained in Spain a few months earlier over a dozen of deficiencies, including invalid safety manning documentation and missing navigation charts. It was the fourth time it was detained in Europe since 2006.

At the time the cargo flew a Cambodian flag and was named Mamo. In February, it was acquired by a company named Haddad Shipping, headquartered in Athens Piraeus port which delegated its operation to another company, IMS Hellenic, which according to maritime transparency database Equasis share the same address. Both companies appear to have no registered telephone number.

According to Equasis, IMS Hellenic operates another 14 vessels, all flying an array of flags from the following countries; Moldovia, Bolivia, Tanzania, Comoros and Togo, and collected a total of nine detentions between them from European authorities in the last three years. IBTimes UK was unable to contact IMS Hellenic for comment.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/greece-seized-tanker-haddad-1-161833397.html#2wbTRom
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Adino

paradigm shaper
wait-n-see said:
Really pays off to verify information seen on the web since opinions alone are useless when dealing with reality.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/09/02/uk-libya-security-greece-arms-idUKKCN0R20UB20150902
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your assumptions are that

1) arms dealers put real info on manifests for containers w/ illegal weapons - you are assuming they were really going to libya, and that they were stupid enough to put the container on a boat stopping to greece first. cause arms dealers like lots of stops for their illegally owned packed containers where they might be inspected. they would never ship illegal arms on a boat going from turkey directly to libya

2) that libyans would need over half a million illegal shotties. the problem here is that we made sure libya was full of military weapons and you could probably get an m16 cheaper in libya that an illegal shottie

and i don't think there are that many duck hunters in libya

only an idiot would think this is a refugee humanitarian issue and not an invasion

over 70% able bodied fighting age men

containers full of illegal weapons following on behind

but go ahead and shop the duck hunters in libya story for now
 
wait-n-see

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Adino said:
your assumptions are that
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MY ASSUMPTIONS???? :shr:

I made no assumptions either way. I provided a link to an actual article about the ship.

Got a problem with the article? Then complain to the person who wrote the article.

Adino said:
your assumptions are that
1) arms dealers put real info on manifests for containers w/ illegal weapons - you are assuming they were really going to libya, and that they were stupid enough to put the container on a boat stopping to greece first. cause arms dealers like lots of stops for their illegally owned packed containers where they might be inspected. they would never ship illegal arms on a boat going from turkey directly to libya

2) that libyans would need over half a million illegal shotties. the problem here is that we made sure libya was full of military weapons and you could probably get an m16 cheaper in libya that an illegal shottie

and i don't think there are that many duck hunters in libya

only an idiot would think this is a refugee humanitarian issue and not an invasion

over 70% able bodied fighting age men

containers full of illegal weapons following on behind

but go ahead and shop the duck hunters in libya story for now
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...as stated before .... I did not assume anything nor state anything either way..... but go ahead and shop your assumptions for now since that is what you want to argue about, instead of reality ....

Only an idiot and a moron would decide what other people assume when nothing was stated by them. :rolleyes:

BTW,

1) nothing was said anywhere in the article about "duck hunters", so why even mention it here? The article claimed the arms were going to the Sudanese police force.
A Turkish foreign ministry spokesman confirmed the cargo included weapons but said it was fully documented and was destined for the Sudanese police force.
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2) per the article, the ship sailed directly from a Turkish port for Libya, contrary to your claim above.
The freighter, with a crew of seven and which had sailed from the Turkish port of Iskenderun, was escorted to Heraklion port on the island.
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Maybe you need to learn to read the actual links and stop arguing from ignorance. :lol:
 
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Adino

paradigm shaper
wait-n-see said:
Really pays off to verify information seen on the web since opinions alone are useless when dealing with reality.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/09/02/uk-libya-security-greece-arms-idUKKCN0R20UB20150902
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i guess i need to quote you again

are you saying when you stated the above you weren't buying the official story and inferring everybody who is calling an invasion an invasion is 'reality challenged'?

because that is exactly how you came across

and if you believe the story, and that is your reality, then you must believe that there is a hot market for illegal shotties in libya. and that illegal gun runners are too stupid to pick the most direct inspection free route

hence the response i made above
 
Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior

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surprised the way some of you will even get into an argument trying to legitimize this BS ... Libya or the "Sudanese Police" don't need that kind of numbers .... obvious the company shipped on BS purchase orders and now the muslim Turkish gooberment is covering it up ... you don't hide & disperse legit shipments among other goods
 
Tristan

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Has anyone found a update to this situation? I wonder what was in the other 12 containers...
 
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Illini Warrior said:
surprised the way some of you will even get into an argument trying to legitimize this BS ... Libya or the "Sudanese Police" don't need that kind of numbers .... obvious the company shipped on BS purchase orders and now the muslim Turkish gooberment is covering it up ... you don't hide & disperse legit shipments among other goods
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Bullseye.
 
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Marthanoir

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Illini Warrior said:
surprised the way some of you will even get into an argument trying to legitimize this BS ... Libya or the "Sudanese Police" don't need that kind of numbers .... obvious the company shipped on BS purchase orders and now the muslim Turkish gooberment is covering it up ... you don't hide & disperse legit shipments among other goods
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Yup now couple this with the news story from an IS contact who said they have smuggled 4000+ IS fighters into Europe disguised as "migrants"

We've seen various reports that Turkey is supporting IS, we have the Turks launching airstrikes on the Kurds in their war against IS, We have hundreds of thousands of Syrians coming from Turkey into Europe, we have several containers of Turkish weapons seized,

Maybe my tinfoil is too tight but it sure looks iffy to me
 
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