BRKG Crumbley verdict coming
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Plain Jane
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BRKG - 11/30/21 Active shooter - Oxford High School (Oxford, MI). 3 dead, 8 wounded, suspect in custody
Oxford High School (Oxford, MI) on lockdown due to active shooter situation. Reports of multiple victims. AlertsUSA monitoring.
CRIME - Jennifer Crumbley Verdict: Oxford shooter's mom found guilty of involuntary manslaughter
Jennifer Crumbley Verdict: Oxford shooter's mom found guilty of involuntary manslaughter Published February 6, 2024 1:39PM PONTIAC, Mich. (FOX 2) - Jennifer Crumbley has been found guilty of four counts of involuntary manslaughter by a jury following her trial in Oakland County court. The...
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Jury convicts James Crumbley after monumental trial
PONTIAC, Mich. (FOX 2) - James Crumbley was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter after a seven-day jury trial and the second of two monumental cases brought forth by the Oakland County Prosecutor's Office.
The jury deliberated for more than a day before convicting Crumbley in the deaths of four Oxford High School students who were murdered by his teenage son more than two years ago. It was the second guilty verdict secured by the prosecutor after she took the unprecedented step of charging both James and his wife Jennifer in connection to the mass shooting carried out by their son.
Judge Cheryl Mathews scheduled James Crumbley's sentence date for April 9 at 9 a.m. - the same day Jennifer Crumbley is expected to be sentenced.
At the heart of the case was Crumbley's responsibility as a parent and whether his decision to purchase a gun for his son and failing to secure it amounted to gross negligence and indirectly caused the deaths of Madisyn Baldwin, Hana St. Juliana, Tate Myre, and Justin Shilling.
The high-profile trial followed years of evidence gathering, motion hearings, and anticipation after county prosecutor Karen McDonald chose to go forward with bringing charges just days after the mass shooting.
McDonald and her assistant prosecutor Marc Keast argued over five days of witness testimony that James was partly responsible for the deaths of the four kids.
They called more than a dozen witnesses, played security video from a gun store and inside the high school, showed revealing text messages and explosive journal entries written just days before the rampage was carried out.
During her rebuttal, McDonald physically locked the murder weapon with a cable lock, showing the jury that "ten seconds of the easiest, simplest thing" could have prevented the deaths of four teenagers.
But Mariell Lehman, the defense attorney for James Crumbley, argued there were any number of gaps in what the defendant knew about what his son was planning that he couldn't be found guilty.
"You would have seen evidence if James was guilty," she told the jury during her closing argument. "If James knew about what was in the journal, the prosecution would have told you that. If James knew his son had gained access to firearms, the prosecution would have told you that.
"The fact that you have not seen that evidence is your reasonable doubt," she added.
Jennifer Crumbley will be sentenced in April.
James Crumbley Guilty: Convicted of involuntary manslaughter after monumental jury trial
FOX 2 DetroitMarch 14, 2024 7:18PMPONTIAC, Mich. (FOX 2) - James Crumbley was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter after a seven-day jury trial and the second of two monumental cases brought forth by the Oakland County Prosecutor's Office.
The jury deliberated for more than a day before convicting Crumbley in the deaths of four Oxford High School students who were murdered by his teenage son more than two years ago. It was the second guilty verdict secured by the prosecutor after she took the unprecedented step of charging both James and his wife Jennifer in connection to the mass shooting carried out by their son.
Judge Cheryl Mathews scheduled James Crumbley's sentence date for April 9 at 9 a.m. - the same day Jennifer Crumbley is expected to be sentenced.
At the heart of the case was Crumbley's responsibility as a parent and whether his decision to purchase a gun for his son and failing to secure it amounted to gross negligence and indirectly caused the deaths of Madisyn Baldwin, Hana St. Juliana, Tate Myre, and Justin Shilling.
The high-profile trial followed years of evidence gathering, motion hearings, and anticipation after county prosecutor Karen McDonald chose to go forward with bringing charges just days after the mass shooting.
James Crumbley trial verdict: Father found guilty of manslaughter after son kills 4 students
James Crumbley was found guilty on Thursday of manslaughter after his son, Ethan Crumbley, shot and killed four students at Oxford High School in 2021.McDonald and her assistant prosecutor Marc Keast argued over five days of witness testimony that James was partly responsible for the deaths of the four kids.
They called more than a dozen witnesses, played security video from a gun store and inside the high school, showed revealing text messages and explosive journal entries written just days before the rampage was carried out.
During her rebuttal, McDonald physically locked the murder weapon with a cable lock, showing the jury that "ten seconds of the easiest, simplest thing" could have prevented the deaths of four teenagers.
But Mariell Lehman, the defense attorney for James Crumbley, argued there were any number of gaps in what the defendant knew about what his son was planning that he couldn't be found guilty.
"You would have seen evidence if James was guilty," she told the jury during her closing argument. "If James knew about what was in the journal, the prosecution would have told you that. If James knew his son had gained access to firearms, the prosecution would have told you that.
"The fact that you have not seen that evidence is your reasonable doubt," she added.
Jennifer Crumbley will be sentenced in April.
Seeker22
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Turning the feels into a legal precedent no so cool. Take a long look at where this can go.
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h_oder
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DH asked a question earlier, thought he made a good point... So, parents are held responsible for something like this (not saying that I agree or disagree), yet they are not allowed to have any responsibility when their child thinks that they are trans and need "gender affirming care" (drugs, hormones, surgery, whatever).... You are parents when "they" say you are...
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Plain Jane
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Yes.
The school itself knew there was a risk but didn't search his backpack. The same is the case in Norfolk?, or somewhere in VA. The teacher in the VA is allowed to proceed with her lawsuit against the district and I hope she wins.
Abe Froman
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One step closer to thought crime
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Already boarded the plane, losing both engines in the middle of the Atlantic is the next attraction.
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Yep, that's what civil suits are for. Should the store that sold the gun to the dad be classified in the same regard? If so then everything in the entire supply chain of the firearm is culpable.
jed turtle
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If the parents were in any way responsible for the child’s crime, that should be the primary focus of the court’s. Did they encourage the child to commit murder? Did they have clear, unmistakeable knowledge of said child’s intended crime?
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Chicken Mama
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So how much time did the son who pulled the trigger get?
are inanimate objects....of course, so are some people. 
So, they'll probably serve 4-6 years.
Honestly, I'm torn about this whole mess. But since we have more direct personal knowledge than we'd like about dealing with a disturbed teen (our oldest grandson), I can't believe they were THAT stupid or oblivious to actually purchase him a gun, and then leave it easily accessible! We often use the phrase "criminally stupid"... in this case, I think that's actually the exactly correct term.
As far as our grandson, we gave him and his 1 year younger brother BB guns when they were 6 and 7. The younger one played with his a bit... the older one would shoot for hours and hours. And he's a natural shot... within his first hour, he could hit a bullseye from 30 feet standing, sitting or lying down. His father built him a moving target range... he was equally adept at that. Since he also loves skiing, we were thinking of pointing him towards Olympic biathlon type events as he got older.
But then some bad stuff happened, and he became unstable. Our original plans to give him a decent .22 rifle at 10 were put off, and now, are obviously permanently off the table. He's still a natural shot... at family get togethers, we do target and skeet shooting... the first time he tried shooting skeet with hubby's old 20 gauge, he missed the first 3.. then scored on the next 5!
If his parents bought a handgun and left it unlocked, as much as I love them, I'd absolutely call that criminal!
The Crumbleys utter lack of understanding how seriously disturbed their son was cost lives unnecessarily. A slap on the wrist wouldn't have been nearly enough.
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