Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Life without parole
BRKG Crumbley verdict coming
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Country exile in the city
Kewpie
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And well they should be. I don’t care if you buy firearms for your child, mine had certain rifles and things in his name before he could even talk. But they didn’t keep their firearms secured (which I am a big, BIG proponent of), and willfully let him have access knowing full well that he was going through a mental crisis. Well, more like they were so wrapped up in their personal lives they completely ignored all the issues their child was having.
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Let me rephrase this sentence.
The inner city mother's lack of understanding how seriously disturbed their son was cost lives unnecessarily.
How many "inner city" mothers and fathers of "children" who committed murder are currently serving time?
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So, when a child driving their parents car looks down at their phone then negligently runs over a kid on a bike are the parents going to jail as well? The parents bought the car.......
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Mark my words, this case will be appealed and a verdict will be reached. The media won't say a thing about it when the conviction is reversed.
How many of them have actually purchased a gun for their seriously disturbed kid? There's a difference between being an oblivious, bad parent and actually enabling a crime.
Summerthyme
I also would argue that if these parents didn't actively search this kid's room and read his writings, (again, because of ongoing problems with his thought processes and behavior), they were seriously, criminally negligent.
As parents ourselves, we did exactly that... when circumstances warranted it. Our kids were good kids... hard working for us as well as others, responsible, star athletes and good students. But during the time I spent over 16 weeks in the hospital over a year's time, the two oldest weren't as carefully supervised as I normally did. Hubby tried, but running a dairy farm as well as supervising 3 teens and one home schooled pre-teen was physically not possible.
They got into some fairly serious trouble, along with several other "good kids"... and two who went on to continuing careers as petty criminals. You can probably guess which ones' parents got them a lawyer and made excuses for their behavior!
Our's got their reins yanked- HARD. They went from almost total freedom (within reasonable curfews, and required chores) to *none*. We stayed in close contact with teachers and coaches, and yes, I checked every inch of their room fairly frequently. Never found anything, and they stayed on the straight and narrow, growing into very successful adults.
But as parents, we understood that our kids behavior was up to us to control.
I KNOW it's not always possible, and it's *never* easy! If Ethan Crumbley had gotten a friend to buy a gun for him, or if he'd stolen one, I don't think we'd be having this conversation.
Summerthyme
As parents ourselves, we did exactly that... when circumstances warranted it. Our kids were good kids... hard working for us as well as others, responsible, star athletes and good students. But during the time I spent over 16 weeks in the hospital over a year's time, the two oldest weren't as carefully supervised as I normally did. Hubby tried, but running a dairy farm as well as supervising 3 teens and one home schooled pre-teen was physically not possible.
They got into some fairly serious trouble, along with several other "good kids"... and two who went on to continuing careers as petty criminals. You can probably guess which ones' parents got them a lawyer and made excuses for their behavior!
Our's got their reins yanked- HARD. They went from almost total freedom (within reasonable curfews, and required chores) to *none*. We stayed in close contact with teachers and coaches, and yes, I checked every inch of their room fairly frequently. Never found anything, and they stayed on the straight and narrow, growing into very successful adults.
But as parents, we understood that our kids behavior was up to us to control.
I KNOW it's not always possible, and it's *never* easy! If Ethan Crumbley had gotten a friend to buy a gun for him, or if he'd stolen one, I don't think we'd be having this conversation.
Summerthyme
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Missing the point, parents will now be held accountable for everything including murder with any item in the house accessable by the minor
Chance
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Good to see deadbeat parents held accountable for their kids behavior.!! About time.
That said...
THEY kicked the patients out of places that dealt with the mentally ill a few years ago and closed them down...who's STUPID idea was that??? ...parents have little to no help ...and when the child becomes an adult...there is zip help available.
My brother has a son with severe paranoid schizophrenia and is an alcoholic. My brother bought a place in a rural area with a guest house...to con tain this young man and keep him away from the public. Every day is a living hell for my brother and his family.
My brother has called lawyers, the state, the police, Social Services, ...no help for this son. He needs relief from this burden, but none is available. I worry about this kid killing his dad and mom. It's that bad. Hateful, angry drunk.
Their son can not live in public. And can not care for himself.
They had no help with him when he was a kid either except drugs. With pretty much no followup. The system is very broken.
The parents of this murderer were held responsible...good. but what about parents that have a kid that is treated with drugs for mental issues? Treatment is limited and there is pretty pathetic followup. And privacy laws can be a problem.
Quite a few of the school shooters were on something like prozac, or other mind altering drugs. Because that's what doctors do. They aren't qualified in many cases to give these drugs. Not a peep about that when there is a school shooting.
Someone needs to address the mental illness in this country instead of ignoring it or adding more drugs to people left out in public. And there is little followup for these people on drugs..they are handed out like candy.
Terrible situation and just keeps getting worse.
That said...
THEY kicked the patients out of places that dealt with the mentally ill a few years ago and closed them down...who's STUPID idea was that??? ...parents have little to no help ...and when the child becomes an adult...there is zip help available.
My brother has a son with severe paranoid schizophrenia and is an alcoholic. My brother bought a place in a rural area with a guest house...to con tain this young man and keep him away from the public. Every day is a living hell for my brother and his family.
My brother has called lawyers, the state, the police, Social Services, ...no help for this son. He needs relief from this burden, but none is available. I worry about this kid killing his dad and mom. It's that bad. Hateful, angry drunk.
Their son can not live in public. And can not care for himself.
They had no help with him when he was a kid either except drugs. With pretty much no followup. The system is very broken.
The parents of this murderer were held responsible...good. but what about parents that have a kid that is treated with drugs for mental issues? Treatment is limited and there is pretty pathetic followup. And privacy laws can be a problem.
Quite a few of the school shooters were on something like prozac, or other mind altering drugs. Because that's what doctors do. They aren't qualified in many cases to give these drugs. Not a peep about that when there is a school shooting.
Someone needs to address the mental illness in this country instead of ignoring it or adding more drugs to people left out in public. And there is little followup for these people on drugs..they are handed out like candy.
Terrible situation and just keeps getting worse.
That depends on what tier of the system your in. Remember we are in the rule of lawyers not the rule of law.
Kewpie
Senior Member
They knowingly bought, and gave free access to a weaponknowing full well their child was mentally struggling. He walked into a school and opened fire. I think that’s a little different than a random accident.
But if my kid was driving recklessly and accessing his phone while driving - I WOULD TAKE THE CAR AWAY. His nonsense starts and stops with me. Just like my parents would watch like hawks to make sure I was wearing my seatbelt when I left and arrived home, because the threat was losing my car. To this day, I can’t NOT wear a seatbelt.
But there is already precedent for parents being held accountable for their kids causing a deadly accident, usually financial, but in the case of the affluenza kid where his mother abetted his attempt to escape jail time, she’s also cooling her heels in jail.
helen
Panic Sex Lady
My kids had to buy their own vehicles with their own money earned from their jobs. They could not get even a learners permit until they were 18. They paid for their own insurance policies.
One day my insurance agent said I could still be held responsible for their driving accidents because they lived in my house. I know that's what she said because I made her repeat it a couple of times.
One day my insurance agent said I could still be held responsible for their driving accidents because they lived in my house. I know that's what she said because I made her repeat it a couple of times.
It isn't a crime to own a gun, anymore than it is a crime to own a car.
The problem is this precedent is baaaaad. It will infringe on families' 2nd amendment rights. I can see it being said that if you have minors in the home, you can't have guns in the home.
ETA: this isn't like giving alcohol to minors which IS already illegal due to the age restrictions to access.