CORP/BIZ Disruption Escalates: Proctor And Gamble Says Over 17,000 Products Potentially Impacted By Coronavirus

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Disruption Escalates: Proctor And Gamble Says Over 17,000 Products Potentially Impacted By Coronavirus


by Tyler Durden
Mon, 02/24/2020 - 21:10

While mom and dad on Main St. still aren't getting the dire warning that the coronavirus has been offering up to Asia and the rest of the Eastern world over the last several weeks, perhaps a lightbulb will finally go off when Jane Q. Public heads to the grocery store and is unable to buy shampoo and toothpaste.

Proctor and Gamble, one of the world's biggest "everyday product" manufacturers, has now officially warned that 17,600 of its products could be affected and disrupted by the coronavirus. The company's CFO, Jon Moeller, said at a recent conference that P&G used 387 suppliers across China, shipping more than 9,000 materials, according to CIPS.org.

Moeller said: “Each of these suppliers faces their own challenges in resuming operations.”

And it's not just everyday consumer goods that are going to feel the impact of the virus.






Smartphones and cars are so far among the consumer products that have been hardest hit from the virus. In fact, according to TrendForce, "forecasts for product shipments from China for the first quarter of 2020 had been slashed, by 16% for smartwatches (to 12.1m units), 12.3% for notebooks (30.7m units) and 10.4% for smartphones (275m units). Cars have dropped 8.1% (19.3m units)."

Their report states: “The outbreak has made a relatively high impact on the smartphone industry because the smartphone supply chain is highly labor-intensive. Although automakers can compensate for material shortage through overseas factories, the process of capacity expansion and shipping of goods is still expected to create gaps in the overall manufacturing process.”

A separate coronavirus analysis by Mintec says that "Chinese demand for copper (it has hitherto been responsible for consuming half the world’s output), will fall by 500,000 tonnes this year, and falls in demand have already impacted prices. From December to January the price of copper fell 9.6%."


The report notes: “Millions of people have been affected by the travel lockdown in Hubei province, the centre of the outbreak. This has been responsible for a glut of jet fuel and diesel on global markets at a time when petroleum supplies were already abundant.”

Other products that have been negatively affected so far include pork, which is up 11% this month, chicken, garlic and dried ginger.

Product supply chain issues could eventually compound hysteria at supermarkets if coronavirus becomes widespread in western countries. Northern Italy, which has seen a small outbreak of coronavirus cases over the last 48 hours, is already experiencing long lines and sold out store shelves.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Other brands are available, aren't they? Like Cary said, we have plenty of Charmin TP stocked, plus large boxes of baby wipes. I do use Dawn dish wash, but have lost count of how many jugs of the stuff I have already. All of the other products listed, I use other brands.
 

Sammy55

Veteran Member
Other brands are available, aren't they? Like Cary said, we have plenty of Charmin TP stocked, plus large boxes of baby wipes. I do use Dawn dish wash, but have lost count of how many jugs of the stuff I have already. All of the other products listed, I use other brands.
I would guess that if P&G is affected, other brands are affected in the same way as well. They just haven't admitted it...yet.

Better to be stocked up on everything, just in case.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
This is where it's worth stepping back for a moment and thinking about alternatives, especially important if money is tight.

For example: baking soda and salt is an alternative for toothpaste. It takes some getting used to, but it works.

Ivory soap can be shaved and used for laundry, as well as washing the body. Depending on your water, it can also be used as a shampoo.

The key is having these items on hand.

Added: if you have a dental school nearby, go buy a box of toothbrushes and a box of floss. You'll get them for reasonable prices. DO NOT neglect daily care of your teeth. It is less expensive to brush and floss daily than to try to locate a dentist during a crisis.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is where it's worth stepping back for a moment and thinking about alternatives, especially important if money is tight.

For example: baking soda and salt is an alternative for toothpaste. It takes some getting used to, but it works.

Ivory soap can be shaved and used for laundry, as well as washing the body. Depending on your water, it can also be used as a shampoo.

The key is having these items on hand.

Added: if you have a dental school nearby, go buy a box of toothbrushes and a box of floss. You'll get them for reasonable prices. DO NOT neglect daily care of your teeth. It is less expensive to brush and floss daily than to try to locate a dentist during a crisis.

I agree with ya. Having a good supply of the basics can go a long way if one knows how to use them as alternatives.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Our grandparents made do with a lot fewer "products." The key is to determine what is absolutely essential if money is tight. I would put TP and tooth brushes over expensive shampoo and body washes. Depending on water and hair type, dish detergent can also work as a shampoo!

And sometimes it's a morale thing. I get that, but if money were tight, I wouldn't put $20 into a "salon" shampoo. I would get a small bottle of tea tree oil and one of lemon fragrance and make something with a nice smell.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Our grandparents made do with a lot fewer "products." The key is to determine what is absolutely essential if money is tight. I would put TP and tooth brushes over expensive shampoo and body washes. Depending on water and hair type, dish detergent can also work as a shampoo!

And sometimes it's a morale thing. I get that, but if money were tight, I wouldn't put $20 into a "salon" shampoo. I would get a small bottle of tea tree oil and one of lemon fragrance and make something with a nice smell.

Another great post, Meemur!
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
Thank the Lord we panicked early, and have 12 years worth of TP.

Other than that, we don't use any of that stuff.
I have a lot of TP but not that much. A man after my own heart.

I looked at the products in the picture in the OP and I'm good to go for an extended period of time. I almost never buy just one.

We even have a good supply of paper plates and it need be we can use a regular plate. I don't have a huge stash of paper towels but then I don't even use one roll a month, so I'm good on those for probably a year. Until a year or so ago I never used kleenex, but I even have several boxes of those.

DH uses wipes in the bathroom and I have a couple of buckets full.

And we can always make do.

Judy
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have a lot of TP but not that much. A man after my own heart.

I looked at the products in the picture in the OP and I'm good to go for an extended period of time. I almost never buy just one.

We even have a good supply of paper plates and it need be we can use a regular plate. I don't have a huge stash of paper towels but then I don't even use one roll a month, so I'm good on those for probably a year. Until a year or so ago I never used kleenex, but I even have several boxes of those.

DH uses wipes in the bathroom and I have a couple of buckets full.

And we can always make do.

Judy

I think CaryC was stretching it a bit on having that much TP, LOL! Paper towels is something that I can do completely without. I buy dishtowels that are reuseable. I don't have a lot of shampoo stored. Like Meemur said, I have many jugs of Dawn dish wash that you get at Sam's stored up. Mixed with a few drops of essential oils, I have a nice shampoo for years. My hair loves it, since it is on the oily side. Lots of Ivory and Zote soap, plus baking soda, and borax makes a nice laundry detergent in a pinch. My dad passed at the age of 81. He always used Baking soda and salt for his toothpaste. Only had one cavity in his life that eventually had to be extracted. He had great teeth.

I guess it's because I was raised to be frugal, but I look for ways to use the basics when and where possible. Saves me money.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Thank the Lord we panicked early, and have 12 years worth of TP.

Other than that, we don't use any of that stuff.

I know right! OC needs a new pair of work boots so we'll be working on that task today.
This is where it's worth stepping back for a moment and thinking about alternatives, especially important if money is tight.

For example: baking soda and salt is an alternative for toothpaste. It takes some getting used to, but it works.

Ivory soap can be shaved and used for laundry, as well as washing the body. Depending on your water, it can also be used as a shampoo.

The key is having these items on hand.

Added: if you have a dental school nearby, go buy a box of toothbrushes and a box of floss. You'll get them for reasonable prices. DO NOT neglect daily care of your teeth. It is less expensive to brush and floss daily than to try to locate a dentist during a crisis.

All excellent advice! We do quarterly shopping so we're good for now... I may pick up a couple of odd ball things today like one of those HUGE bottles of Dawn dishwashing liquid for refilling my smaller bottle that lives on the kitchen counter, another bottle of laundry soap, and two-pack of hand soap refills at Sam's Club. I know we need AAA batteries and go through six to eight of them per year for the tv remotes.

An excellent point about brushing and flossing every day. We're good for toothpaste, but need to pick up more dental floss.

Also, take care of your skin, bar soap is still fairly cheap as is hand lotion. I make my own moisturizer with 1/3 cup each of Vitamin E (the cream not the liquid), Collagen (the cream not the powder), and organic Coconut Oil, and my face is much softer now because of this, I have a foot salve for my rough feet so that's something else to take into consideration is taking good care of your feet.

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There's enough product in each of these bottles to make moisturizer for a good year plus. I think all three bottles together came to less than $15. A lot of my friends make their own moisturizer, and they love how their skin looks.
 
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packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Our grandparents made do with a lot fewer "products." The key is to determine what is absolutely essential if money is tight. I would put TP and tooth brushes over expensive shampoo and body washes. Depending on water and hair type, dish detergent can also work as a shampoo!

And sometimes it's a morale thing. I get that, but if money were tight, I wouldn't put $20 into a "salon" shampoo. I would get a small bottle of tea tree oil and one of lemon fragrance and make something with a nice smell.

My shampoo and conditioner costs $133 per bottle, which comes out to just around $12 a month, the upside is it lasts me a year as it's a fairly good sized bottle and a little bit of it goes a long way. I will need to get a new bottle of conditioner and soon, I just replaced the shampoo.

The essential oil thing doesn't work for a lot of us, and after battling most of my hair falling out and it's finally growing back in because I'm now using the right product... yeah I'll get my conditioner this week.

Heartworm pills for the dog.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
When using the large jugs of Dawn to refill smaller bottles, I've learned to fill the smaller bottle with only about 2/3's of the way with Dawn, and finish filling the bottle with water. It makes the dish wash go further. Works just as well, and when using it for shampoo, it's better to dilute it a bit, anyway.
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
Everyone please consider that the consumption of cleaning and hygene products soar when people are sick. Situations might arise where You may use up a roll of paper towels a day for several weeks. Each person may use a roll of TP each day. You don't want to be laundering infected items, you want to bag them and discard.
I get the 1000 sheet rolls and one roll lasts 6 days normally, but if we had a problem in that area, I have plenty of of TP. I have a large amount of rags that could just go in the burn barrel. I have a good supply of feminime products that I don't use at all.

Judy
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
I get the 1000 sheet rolls and one roll lasts 6 days normally, but if we had a problem in that area, I have plenty of of TP. I have a large amount of rags that could just go in the burn barrel. I have a good supply of feminime products that I don't use at all.

Judy
My wife would be a tad upset if I told her to start using her old oil rags for TP......

You are a braver individual than I am......much braver..
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I get the 1000 sheet rolls and one roll lasts 6 days normally, but if we had a problem in that area, I have plenty of of TP. I have a large amount of rags that could just go in the burn barrel. I have a good supply of feminime products that I don't use at all.

Judy

I have 24 large rolls of paper towels. With normal use, that should last me a year or more. When I use a roll, I replace with a roll. I just don't like using them. I'd rather use old rags for spills and such, and cloth dish towels for drying hands and dishes, using separate cloths for each, of course.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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When using the large jugs of Dawn to refill smaller bottles, I've learned to fill the smaller bottle with only about 2/3's of the way with Dawn, and finish filling the bottle with water. It makes the dish wash go further. Works just as well, and when using it for shampoo, it's better to dilute it a bit, anyway.
Yes! Except... it works better if you add the water first... it mixes easier. I started doing this when they switched to "Ultra" Dawn... it drove me crazy that it was more concentrated, but everyone in the household used the same (as with the original formula) amount by habit. So, I diluted it back to be like the original!

Call me spoiled, but I don't want yo have to go back to washing dishes and hair with lye soap. I *can*, if we must... have a couple hundred pounds of lard and enough lye for several years... But while I like homemade soap for hand soap (it really cleans!), you can't beat Dawn for dishes.

Summerthyme
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
My wife would be a tad upset if I told her to start using her old oil rags for TP......

You are a braver individual than I am......much braver..
Haha I meant the rags instead of paper towels, but people use to use rags and wash them before sears catalogues
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yes! Except... it works better if you add the water first... it mixes easier. I started doing this when they switched to "Ultra" Dawn... it drove me crazy that it was more concentrated, but everyone in the household used the same (as with the original formula) amount by habit. So, I diluted it back to be like the original!

Call me spoiled, but I don't want yo have to go back to washing dishes and hair with lye soap. I *can*, if we must... have a couple hundred pounds of lard and enough lye for several years... But while I like homemade soap for hand soap (it really cleans!), you can't beat Dawn for dishes.

Summerthyme

Thanks for that tid bit about adding the water first. I have been doing the opposite, and shaking it up really well. I started doing this, too, when the Ultra version came out. It works just as well, and makes just as many suds. Dawn works great as a degreaser to clean up greasy messes, too, even laundry as a presoak. It's versatile enough to use for several different purposes.
 

dvo

Veteran Member
First of all, this revelation by P&G is huge. The disruptions we are about to experience is something we’ve not seen before. If this is happening to P&G, how many other similar situations are out there? I’d bet it’s a bunch. My son works in the supply chain management field and even 10 days ago he said he was running into China related problems.

Oh...and doom on P&G for the whole Gillette fiasco.
 

Scrapman

Veteran Member
If you like shaving with disposable razors your in trouble, there all made in China. Buy a safety razor and blades now.
 

dvo

Veteran Member
If you like shaving with disposable razors your in trouble, there all made in China. Buy a safety razor and blades now.

Haha...well, I have one. Tried it once again four years ago and my neck had dozens of nicks. Bear in mind I learned to shave as a teenager with a safety razor. It will be hard to learn again if things go that far. But maybe I pick up some Feather blades just in case.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
I totally agree about Dawn detergent! I stock it, too. I added more to my stores on the last shopping trip.
 

biere

Veteran Member
Already mentioned but if you use soap made in america, more people are going to be after that soap as the alternatives shipped into this country are not shipped into this country.

You can make your own laundry soap easily. Recipes here and on net and worth searching and reading about various alternatives.
 

ktrapper

Veteran Member
I would imagine that Unilever and Johnson&Johnson are In the very same boat as P&G
It’s my understanding that 80% of our plastics either come from China directly or some form of the component chemicals come from there.
That will hit our medical industry hard.
I have also heard that most of our disinfectants come from or are component based from China as well.
 

blindhog

Flats Captain
Somebody knows the amounts of missed production, and have figured the impact timewise I'm sure. That would be useful information.
 
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