EBOLA Ebola Quarantines Were Stupid and Wrong, Report Says

GreenGecko

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Ebola Quarantines Were Stupid and Wrong, Report Says
by MAGGIE FOX

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/eb...antines-were-stupid-wrong-report-says-n473596

Fear-mongering and ignorance drove states to force health workers into quarantine when they returned from fighting Ebola in West Africa, and the restrictions were probably unconstitutional, a new report says.

What's more, no one has kept statistics on how many people were put into quarantine across the United States in the last year, the American Civil Liberties Union and the Yale Global Health Justice Partnership said in a joint report issued Tuesday.

But virtually all of them were unnecessarily kept at home, endangering their jobs, disrupting their private lives and damaging efforts to fight the epidemic, the strongly worded report says.

"Our leaders were enabled by a fear-mongering mass media that also ignored established medical science, further stoking panic and compounding an already immense public disservice," Dr. Deane Marchbein, president of Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières USA, wrote in an introduction to the report.

"OUR LEADERS WERE ENABLED BY A FEAR-MONGERING MASS MEDIA THAT ALSO IGNORED ESTABLISHED MEDICAL SCIENCE."


Ebola has infected more than 28,000 people in Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia and killed more than 11,000 of them. The epidemic is over but cases occasionally pop up — most recently in three people in Liberia. The World Health Organization says there haven't been any new cases anywhere in the past week.

Kaci Hickox, the Doctors Without Borders nurse who was quarantined in New Jersey and Maine when she returned from treating patients last year, became the most public face of the debate.


She has sued Gov. Chris Christie for allegedly imprisoning her against her will. Her suit is seeking $250,000 in damages from Christie, former state Health Commissioner Mary O'Dowd and other health department employees for false imprisonment, violation of due process and invasion of privacy.

There's no question that Americans were afraid of the virus even as health officials tried to reassure the public that Ebola, while very deadly, isn't that easy to catch.

The only people who carried Ebola to the U.S. from West Africa were Dr. Craig Spencer, who was isolated and treated in New York as soon as he showed symptoms and who recovered, and Thomas Eric Duncan, who died in Dallas last October.

"His infection, and the subsequent illness of two of his nurses at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, sparked disproportionate, nation-wide hysteria and outsized fear of an outbreak in the United States," Marchbein wrote.

Both nurses recovered, but their cases set off another round of panic that included disinfection of an airplane that one of the nurses had been on and the quarantine of another's pet dog.

"The Ebola quarantines and other movement restrictions put in place throughout the nation beginning in late 2014 were motivated by fear and by politics, not by medical science," the report says.

"We need to learn from the mishandling of the U.S. Ebola epidemic that wasn't, and respond to future health scares with smart policies based on decades of scientific evidence, not reactive policies based on misinformation and political grandstanding. Punitive and scientifically baseless approaches violate the law and make us less safe."

"THE EBOLA QUARANTINES AND OTHER MOVEMENT RESTRICTIONS PUT IN PLACE THROUGHOUT THE NATION BEGINNING IN LATE 2014 WERE MOTIVATED BY FEAR AND BY POLITICS, NOT BY MEDICAL SCIENCE."

The report says that by December of last year, 23 states had announced quarantine and movement restriction policies that exceeded guidelines set by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

It says people quarantined under these restrictions were illegally deprived of their right to due process under the Constitution's 14th Amendment because the quarantines and movement restrictions were not scientifically justified.

Politicians, the report said, wanted to look strong and effective even if they knew the restrictions weren't needed.

"When health care workers return from an Ebola outbreak, we take necessary precautions and monitor our health," said Marchbein. "But there was and continues to be no medical reason to quarantine and stigmatize asymptomatic health care workers upon returning home."

Health workers were forced to stay indoors for 21 days, not only putting stress on their medical institutions, where colleagues had to pick up the slack, but discouraging other volunteers from going over to fight the epidemic.

The CDC said at the time this was endangering everyone, because without experts volunteering to help stop the spread of the virus, it would only spread more and threaten countries everywhere
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
I make it a point to ignore raging morons.

Quarantines have a LONG history of working, IF, you actually enforce them.
 

GreenGecko

Inactive
Error on the side of caution, always.

Like with gun bans and restrictions, etc? Both issues involve personal freedom. (Ebola quarantine and gun bans) And both involve "A FEAR-MONGERING MASS MEDIA." So, we ignore the medical science in this case?
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Volunteering as a health care professional in an Ebola outbreak area must be very very profitable,
 

fairywell

Veteran Member
Like with gun bans and restrictions, etc? Both issues involve personal freedom. (Ebola quarantine and gun bans) And both involve "A FEAR-MONGERING MASS MEDIA." So, we ignore the medical science in this case?

No that is not what I mean, limit my comment to Ebola, I don't have confidence that they fully understand how contagious it is or how it is transmitted as evidenced by so many varying opinions while the quarantines were happening. Error on the side of caution, please, when it comes to Ebola. Had medical science been so sure of what was going on during the US ebola cases I do not think there would have been quarantines.
 

willdo

Veteran Member
We had enough medical professionals around the world die from treating Ebola patients even though they took all the precautions, and many others who contracted it but survived. All it would have taken is one of those to have brought an epidemic to America. It always starts with one. Not knowing how it may have evolved, and that it can evolve at any moment, and become air-borne, we have no choice but to treat each case with the upmost of caution. You cannot assume anything about a live virus, ever.
 

Starrkopf

Veteran Member
Like with gun bans and restrictions, etc? Both issues involve personal freedom. (Ebola quarantine and gun bans) And both involve "A FEAR-MONGERING MASS MEDIA." So, we ignore the medical science in this case?

Did you read the big Ebola thread? I know I did religiously when it was going on. I was very genuinely afraid and I can't even imagine what might have happened if there was no precautions taken. (and honestly the things that they did during all of this seemed to me like they wanted to spread it around...)

Considering that the powers that be would cream their pants if a big epidemic wiped out most of the world's population I have zero confidence in anyone that says trying to prevent the spread of ebola in the west was a bad idea. These are the same idiots that want to force radical islamic immigrants down our throats all over the western world.
 

fairywell

Veteran Member
Did you read the big Ebola thread? I know I did religiously when it was going on. I was very genuinely afraid and I can't even imagine what might have happened if there was no precautions taken. (and honestly the things that they did during all of this seemed to me like they wanted to spread it around...)

Considering that the powers that be would cream their pants if a big epidemic wiped out most of the world's population I have zero confidence in anyone that says trying to prevent the spread of ebola in the west was a bad idea. These are the same idiots that want to force radical islamic immigrants down our throats all over the western world.

Very well said!!
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
Where a deadly contagious disease is involved, it would be STUPID *NOT* to quarantine. Quarantines WORK. I think this whole hoo-haw is because *someone* WANTED ebola let loose in this country. If quarantine isn't allowed, next time it comes here, it WILL be let loose.

Kathleen
 

raven

TB Fanatic
It is a virus.
It kills with low survival rate.
There are no vaccines.
There is no prescribed treatment.
All treatments at this time are experimental and tend to leave the patient with long term medical issues.

I makes you feel like Clint Eastwood "Uh uh. I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well to tell you the truth in all this excitement I kinda lost track myself. But being this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've gotta ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk? "

Do you feel lucky?
 

Starrkopf

Veteran Member
Where a deadly contagious disease is involved, it would be STUPID *NOT* to quarantine. Quarantines WORK. I think this whole hoo-haw is because *someone* WANTED ebola let loose in this country. If quarantine isn't allowed, next time it comes here, it WILL be let loose.

Kathleen

Exactly. They have to do a lot more than just scream "SCIENCE!" with no real references to back up their claim that there is any real science behind it. Just like the global warming Hoax. it's only science because we have intimidated scientists to tow the line and waved big fat grants under their nose to "prove" the party line. If they publish anything that disproves global warming they are out of a job.

Anyone that has any sense at all knows quarantines work no matter what virus you are dealing with. This has been known for well over a century.

I'm tired of articles that come out trying to tell you that everything you know about the world is wrong and the dangers you see very clearly are all your imagination. It's like a wolf pack coming in for the kill and all the while the leaders of the herd are telling the rest of the herd that it's not really happening and they are just being paranoid. After all we have a bullshit paper that proves that wolves don't eat sheep. In fact wolves are beneficial and will actually keep us safe and if you don't believe us you are a horrible bigot that doesn't know what he is talking about. All of this while everyone can clearly see one of the herd now being torn to little bloody bits but they are afraid to speak out because they would be considered a nut job conspiracy theorist and a racist.
 

NBCsurvivor

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thank you Ladys and Gentleman.... I am Officially checking out of reality based on this article.

You are all of course free to stay, but where I am going there is white and dark liquor..... and pie. :screw:
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Quarantine is stupid for Ebola.

What does the CDC Recommend for something like . . .Mumps?
A: When you have mumps, you should avoid prolonged, close contact with other people until at least five days after your salivary glands begin to swell because you are contagious during this time. The time it takes for symptoms to appear after a person is exposed to the virus can range from 12 to 25 days. You should not go to work or school. You should stay home when you are sick with mumps and limit contact with the people you live with; for example, sleep in a separate room by yourself if you can. Staying home while sick with mumps is an important way to avoid spreading the virus to other people. People who are infected with mumps don’t get sick right away—it can take 2 to 4 weeks for them to show signs of infection.

But god forbid you even consider a Quarantine for Ebola
 

Adino

paradigm shaper
if stopping a highly contagious disease w/ a high mortality rate from wiping wide swaths of humanity out of its path quarantine makes all the sense in the world

if population reduction is your goal quarantines are 'unnecessary', 'stupid', and 'wrong'

and believe it or not 95% of the population can figure that out for themselves w/ out any help from social engineers masquerading as health professionals and journalists
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
And don't forget that Ebola is only one or two mutations away from being truly airborne in the classic sense of the word. We dodged a bullet last time. Next outbreak might be the game changer. When medical professionals that follow established protocol get the virus and nobody knows how they got it at the very least voluntary isolation would be the way to go.

I can't understand those that take a oath to 'do no harm' would object to having their movements restricted after working around Ebola patients. Being a former Army NBC officer I was sweating bullets with that outbreak although at the time I urged a calm response. I knew what could happen if the virus mutated in the right way. I know I would of gone to ground for sure.
 

Starrkopf

Veteran Member
And don't forget that Ebola is only one or two mutations away from being truly airborne in the classic sense of the word. We dodged a bullet last time. Next outbreak might be the game changer. When medical professionals that follow established protocol get the virus and nobody knows how they got it at the very least voluntary isolation would be the way to go.

I can't understand those that take a oath to 'do no harm' would object to having their movements restricted after working around Ebola patients. Being a former Army NBC officer I was sweating bullets with that outbreak although at the time I urged a calm response. I knew what could happen if the virus mutated in the right way. I know I would of gone to ground for sure.

We had actual plans to bug out and had an inside source in a local hospital that was going to let us know when it was going to be go time. We've since moved to the place we planned to bug out to (but not because of ebola).
 

subnet

Boot
Like with gun bans and restrictions, etc? Both issues involve personal freedom. (Ebola quarantine and gun bans) And both involve "A FEAR-MONGERING MASS MEDIA." So, we ignore the medical science in this case?

Those with weapons are in control of said weapon..for the most part. Those suffering from ebola, are not. Two totally different things and cannot be equated in such a way.Not to mention, one would have to be a serious asshat to run around spreading it.
 
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NBCsurvivor

Has No Life - Lives on TB
And don't forget that Ebola is only one or two mutations away from being truly airborne in the classic sense of the word. We dodged a bullet last time. Next outbreak might be the game changer. When medical professionals that follow established protocol get the virus and nobody knows how they got it at the very least voluntary isolation would be the way to go.

I can't understand those that take a oath to 'do no harm' would object to having their movements restricted after working around Ebola patients. Being a former Army NBC officer I was sweating bullets with that outbreak although at the time I urged a calm response. I knew what could happen if the virus mutated in the right way. I know I would of gone to ground for sure.

Anybody with a Doctorate is bound by politics more than principle. And as far as they are concerned, it is contained.

The TRUE value of what actually occured LAST year will never be known, but I am pretty sure that the US and the Chinese made certain their PMs' were secured.
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
The US is still very much involved in Ebola response. Each state has hospitals that have been designated as treatment and evaluation centers and are responsible for isolating and evaluating patients that are suspected of having contracted EVD. These hospitals are in the process of being certified by the CDC and state health departments. EVD is the buzzword now (Ebola Virus Disease) and is considered less intimidating than the word Ebola. These centers are responsible for accepting patients from outlying hospitals in their region who fit the criteria for EVD. They can be thought of as EVD Triage centers as they are responsible for the definitive diagnosis and the initial treatment up until the time that it is established that the patient has contracted Ebola via CDC confirmation. Once diagnosis is established, the patient is then transported to a definitive care facility (Nebraska, Emory, etc.)

Protocols are in place to monitor those working with suspected EVD patients but isolation has been removed from the protocol. Vigorous monitoring of the employees temperature for 21 days is still adhered to but since the virus at this time is not airborne, isolation has been determined to be unnecessary.
 
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Hfcomms

EN66iq
Fortunately we had only a relatively small number of Ebola patients at any one time. I forget how many true isolation beds with negative pressure we have in this country but not very many. In a true outbreak we would be swamped rather quickly. With just the two patients they were treating at Emory they generated over 3000 lbs of medical waste for just the two patients!! The facilities simply don't exist to safely deal with the amount of waste a significant amount of patients would generate not to mention how quickly we would run out of medical supplies. We truly dodged a bullet.
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
Fortunately we had only a relatively small number of Ebola patients at any one time. I forget how many true isolation beds with negative pressure we have in this country but not very many. In a true outbreak we would be swamped rather quickly. With just the two patients they were treating at Emory they generated over 3000 lbs of medical waste for just the two patients!! The facilities simply don't exist to safely deal with the amount of waste a significant amount of patients would generate not to mention how quickly we would run out of medical supplies. We truly dodged a bullet.

Nebraska is now utilizing autoclaves to treat the waste due to the high cost of transport. At this time, there is only one facility in the US that will incinerate the waste and only one facility that will bury the ashes, neither of which are in close proximity to one another. Once treated via autoclave, the waste can be handled as regular hospital waste. Waste is becoming less of an issue due to the use of autoclaves, however, they still can be overloaded if a significant number of patients are being treated simultaneously. The good thing is... it doesn't take that long to obtain and install an additional autoclave or two, three, four...

And you are correct regarding numbers. Any more than a couple dozen of 'confirmed' EVD patients, at any one time, would likely overload the system as it exists today and force the transition centers to become treatment centers.
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
It is laughable actually the talk about Quarantining.



Quarantining people might have worked once but not nowadays unless you want to shut all your airports and ports down it is not going to work.

Lets see I kiss a new girlfriend in the morning and get on a plane the same day. If I have been infected is there anyway it will get picked up the same day in another country.

Holing up for a season can reduce one's risk of catching something going around but most bugs stay about for a few years.

Also most bugs are not strong first off. So a mild bug spreads about then gets stronger. The Spanish flu was this way for instance.

I have done a fair amount of travel over the years where one sits for hours at airports with people from all over the world between leaving one place and going to the next. My close friend for instance will be gone for less than a week and be stopping all over China with his boss then back here this coming week.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
It is laughable actually the talk about Quarantining.



Quarantining people might have worked once but not nowadays unless you want to shut all your airports and ports down it is not going to work.

Lets see I kiss a new girlfriend in the morning and get on a plane the same day. If I have been infected is there anyway it will get picked up the same day in another country.

Holing up for a season can reduce one's risk of catching something going around but most bugs stay about for a few years.

Yes, and I seem to recall stating early on that that is exactly what our leaders should have done immediately: shut down all traffic originating from Africa to Europe and the U.S.

The Premise of the OP would be laughable except that the consequences of accepting that premise would be in line with the goals of reducing the world's population by 95%. Some would consider that outcome to be outrageous...
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
Ah, but say a Chinese bloke goes home to China infected then comes to the U.S. within the week. For the type of Quarantine you mention to work, has to be the whole world. Now with food trade etc going on is it going to work??

For instance I had dinner this last Wednesday evening at the home of a South African who has recently been back in South Africa and the minister at my church has been in South Africa of recent. Modern life is not like it used to be.

My friend will eat with Chinese this next week. They will share plates of food with chopsticks. There is plenty of Chinese doing trade etc with Africa.
 
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