ENER Energy from SNOW?!?

MinnesotaSmith

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Error in following: H2O is a polar covalent molecule, not a polar one as the article states. It's not a judgement call, but a simple comparison of elemental electronegativities.

https://bigthink.com/technology-innovation/electricity-from-snow?rebelltitem=4#rebelltitem4

The next clean energy source? Snow.
Researchers from UCLA invent a device that generates electricity from an... unusual source.
MATT DAVIS
30 August, 2019

"UCLA scientists have invented a cheap, flexible, and simple device called snow-TENG that generates electricity when it comes into contact with snow.
Scientists have known that snow carries an electrical charge for several decades, but this device is one of the first to capitalize on that effect.
The researchers believe that snow-TENG could be used in movement-tracking applications or as a simple weather station that requires no battery to operate.


The amount of effort that we spend digging up ancient plankton is starting to get more and more ridiculous. There's energy all around us that we can easily collect from the sun, wind, rivers, waves — and now from snow, too. Indeed, Maher El-Kady and Richard Kaner, two scientists from UCLA, recently published a paper in Nano Energy describing how they were able to construct a cheap, flexible, simple device — they call it the "snow-TENG" — that can generate electricity from falling snow.

Snow-TENG is shown attached to the sole of a boot. In this use case, an individual walking across a snowy field could generate electricity for wearable devices or use snow-TENG to count their steps.

H2O is a polar molecule, meaning that one of its sides is negatively charged (specifically, the side with the oxygen atom) and the other is positively charged (the side with the two hydrogen atoms). When water molecules crystalize into snowflakes, they orient themselves such that the snowflake gets an overall charge. Friction, too, can confer an electrical charge to snowflakes.

The exact nature of the charge depends on the temperature: between −5°C and −10°C the charge tends to be positive, and between −15°C and −20°C the charge tends to be negative.

"Snow is already charged," said El-Kady in a UCLA statement, "so we thought, why not bring another material with the opposite charge and extract the charge to create electricity?" Materials like this are called triboelectric nanogenerators (or TENGs), named after the triboelectric effect, in which a material picks up the charge of another material through contact. For example, rubbing your hair on a balloon strips electrons off of your hair and onto the balloon, causing your positively charged hair to reach out towards the now-negatively charged balloon in pursuit of its stolen electrons — also known as static electricity.

"After testing a large number of materials including aluminum foils and Teflon, we found that silicone produces more charge than any other material," said El-Kady.

What can it be used for?

There are a significant number of potential applications for a device like this. It could, for instance, be attached to solar panels to provide energy when the sun is blocked by a snowstorm. It could be used to track the performance of cold-weather athletes, power small wearable devices, or a portable weather station. In addition, it could be coming to a neighborhood near you. "We believe our materials can be painted onto buildings to create electricity, and also provide protection against water and humidity," El-Kady told Popular Science.

One of the more impressive uses for snow-TENG is, of course, as a battery-free weather station. When particles of snow strike the device, it generates a variety of electrical signals that can be interpreted to determine the wind speed and direction in a snowstorm as well as the snowfall rate and accumulation.

Snow way

During the wintertime, up to a third of the planet becomes covered in snow, making devices like snow-TENG much more practical than they may initially sound. But, of course, one has to wonder how practical such a device will be in a future dominated by climate change. However, while many places will see less snow, climate change may actual increase snow fall in others, particularly in colder climates.

While free energy is always nice, it's important to stress that the snow-TENG is more of a proof of concept than a revolutionizing piece of new tech. During their tests, El-Kady and Kaner found that the device could output 0.2 milliwatts per square meter. As a comparison, a solar panel that's exactly one square meter could generate around 150 to 200 watts in good sunlight.

However, the device already works as a self-powered sensor of movement and weather, and the technology can likely be improved to generate more electricity. All told, snow-TENG demonstrates how much energy there is hiding in the background of our everyday environment."
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
To my novice thinking, this seems like re-inventing a wheel. Any hiker has had the steam rise from his/her neck. Take the differential from that to the snow under the boot heal, add a peltier wafer... generation of electicity.

An exposed section of municipal water line at 50 or 60 degrees F covered in snow and wafers would generate more than the theoretical amount described in the OP. imho

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Seebeck coefficient
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seebeck_coefficient

The Seebeck coefficient (also known as thermopower,[1] thermoelectric power, and thermoelectric sensitivity) of a material is a measure of the magnitude of an induced thermoelectric voltage in response to a temperature difference across that material, as induced by the Seebeck effect.[2] The SI unit of the Seebeck coefficient is volts per kelvin (V/K),[2] although it is more often given in microvolts per kelvin (μV/K).
The use of materials with a high Seebeck coefficient[3] is one of many important factors for the efficient behaviour of thermoelectric generators and thermoelectric coolers. More information about high-performance thermoelectric materials can be found in the Thermoelectric materials article. In thermocouples the Seebeck effect is used to measure temperatures, and for accuracy it is desirable to use materials with a Seebeck coefficient that is stable over time.
Physically, the magnitude and sign of the Seebeck coefficient can be approximately understood as being given by the entropy per unit charge carried by electrical currents in the material. It may be positive or negative. In conductors that can be understood in terms of independently moving, nearly-free charge carriers, the Seebeck coefficient is negative for negatively charged carriers (such as electrons), and positive for positively charged carriers ////snip////
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
They need to find a way to put such a device on the bottom of snowboots. That way they can charge a battery that can power electrical devices or heat the inside of the boot.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Snow rarely settles where you want it to. Then there's such a thing as wind. And it doesn't generally stick to the side of buildings and such.

Until I see a practical application, it's another overly expensive pie-in-the-sky.
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
They need to find a way to put such a device on the bottom of snowboots. That way they can charge a battery that can power electrical devices or heat the inside of the boot.

Nice to dream. Not being sarcastic in any way. The scale of this electricity wouldn't do what we would like it to do. Heat is especially energy intensive with our current technology. Look at it this way, a tree is storing small amounts of sun energy for say 40 or 50 years. We can burn up that tree very quickly. Overly simplified and sure to cause discomfort in our scientists here.
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
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"Snow is already charged," said El-Kady in a UCLA statement

So, electrical energy is what you feel when you step to the sides of the slopes into the trees to create yellow snow....

Interesting.... Learned something new today....

Texican....
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Nice to dream. Not being sarcastic in any way. The scale of this electricity wouldn't do what we would like it to do. Heat is especially energy intensive with our current technology. Look at it this way, a tree is storing small amounts of sun energy for say 40 or 50 years. We can burn up that tree very quickly. Overly simplified and sure to cause discomfort in our scientists here.

I just want toasty toes. You find me the science to do it. Lom
 
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