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ceeblue

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Michelle Obama's Thesis

Claim: Access to Michelle Obama's senior thesis has been restricted until after the 2008 presidential election.

Status: Was true.

Example: [Collected via e-mail, March 2008]

An email has been circulating that access to Michelle Obama's senior thesis at Princeton University is restricted until November 5, 2008 — the day after the election.

Origins: In every U.S. presidential election campaign, the two major parties' candidates become the subjects of prolonged and intense scrutiny, with seemingly everything they've ever said or done becoming fodder for endless analysis, interpretation and criticism. The scrutiny doesn't always stop with the candidates themselves, however — their parents,

siblings, children, and other close associates sometimes find themselves the subjects of fervent investigation as well.

Candidates' spouses, in particular, are often a subject of great interest. Not only are they relatives that candidates have "chosen," but they live with the candidates day in and day out, and they sometimes serve as political surrogates by stumping for their husbands or wives on the campaign trail. They probably know the inner workings of the candidates' minds better than anyone else, and they're presumed to be important sources of advice, counsel, and influence. All of this means that the senior thesis of Michelle Obama, wife of Illinois senator (and leading Democratic presidential contender) Barack Obama would naturally be a subject of considerable interest, especially since the subject of that thesis is itself a significant political topic. The former Michelle LaVaughn Robinson, who graduated from Princeton University in 1985 with a B.A. in sociology (and later earned a J.D. from Harvard Law School in 1988), wrote her senior undergraduate thesis on the subject of "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community."

Michelle Obama's thesis became a matter of controversy (outside of its subject matter) in early 2008 when some interested parties who attempted to retrieve its content were informed by Princeton that access to the thesis had been restricted until after the presidential election in November 2008. Regardless of the reasons behind it, such a restriction naturally engendered suspicion that someone or something (in this case, presumably the Obama campaign itself) had a vested interest in keeping the information from reaching the public, which in turn served to heighten interest in the contents of the thesis.

The Daily Princetonian noted that prior to 26 February 2008 "callers to Mudd [Manuscript Library] requesting information on Obama's thesis were told that the thesis has been made 'temporarily unavailable' and were directed to the University Office of Communications," but the university lifted that restriction after the Obama campaign made a copy of the thesis available through the web site politico.com.

As for the content of the thesis, the Daily Princetonian summarized it thusly:
Obama, who concentrated in sociology and received a certificate in African-American studies, examined how the attitudes of black alumni have changed over the course of their time at the University. "Will they become more or less motivated to benefit the Black community?" Obama wrote in her thesis.

After surveying 89 black graduates, Obama concluded that attending the University as an undergraduate decreased the extent to which black alumni identified with the black community as a whole.

Obama drew on her personal experiences as an example.

"As I enter my final year at Princeton, I find myself striving for many of the same goals as my White classmates — acceptance to a prestigious graduate school or a high-paying position in a successful corporation," she wrote, citing the University’s conservative values as a likely cause.

"Predominately White universities like Princeton are socially and academically designed to cater to the needs of the White students comprising the bulk of their enrollments," she said, noting the small size of the African-American studies department and that there were only five black tenured professors at the University across all departments.

Obama studied the attitudes of black Princeton alumni to determine what effect their time at Princeton had on their identification with the black community. "My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my 'Blackness' than ever before," she wrote in her introduction. "I have found that at Princeton no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my White professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong."

Much scrutiny and discussion has been focused on a single phrase contained within the thesis, the statement that "blacks must join in solidarity to combat a white oppressor." This phrase has repeatedly been quoted out of context and presented as if it reflected Michelle Obama's own philosophy, but in its full context it is clearly her speculation about what she thought some of the respondents she surveyed for her thesis (i.e., students who had attended Princeton in earlier years) might have been feeling:
As discussed earlier, most respondents were attending Princeton during the 70's, at a time when the Black Power Movement was still influencing the attitudes of many Blacks.

It is possible that Black individuals either chose to or felt pressure to come together with other Blacks on campus because of the belief that Blacks must join in solidarity to combat a White oppressor. As the few blacks in a white environment it is understandable that respondents might have felt a need to look out for one another.

Last updated: 31 March 2008

Sources:
Breger, Esther. "U. Releases Obama '85's Senior Thesis."
The Daily Princetonian. 26 February 2008.
Heyboer, Kelly. "Analyzing Michelle Obama's Princeton Thesis."
The [New Jersey] Star-Ledger. 29 February 2008.
Ressner. Jeffrey. "Michelle Obama Thesis Was on Racial Divide."
politico.com. 23 February 2008.
 

xtreme_right

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http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=363

Not the whole thesis, but a big chunk of it...

The following quotes come from “Princeton Educated Blacks and the Black Community,” by Michelle LeVaughn Robinson, aka Mrs. Obama. You can download this searchable version, or the following four files which make for easier reading (better font, resolution, graphics): 1, 2, 3, 4.

It consists of 64 textual pages, tabulations of a questionnaire, and the questionnaire itself. Occasional typos, and a the vocabulary of a 10th grader, must belong its outstanding accomplishments. I didn’t get a chance to study at Princeton, but judging by Obama’s thesis, I would have no trouble cutting the grade.


Earlier in my college career, there was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the Black community I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost. My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my “Blackness” than ever before. I have found that at Princeton no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my White professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don’t belong. Regardless of the circumstances under which I interact with Whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be Black first and a student second. [2]

These experiences have made it apparent to me that the path I have chosen to follow by attending Princeton will likely lead to my further integration and/or assimilation into a White cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participating. This realization has presently, made my goals to actively utilize my resources to benefit the Black community more desirable. [2]

At the same time, however, it is conceivable that my four years of exposure to a predominately [sic] White, Ivy League University has instilled within me certain conservative values. For example, as I enter my final year at Princeton, I find myself striving for many of the same goals as my White classmates– acceptance to a prestigious graduate or professional school or a high paying position in a successful corporation. Thus, my goals after Princeton are not a clear as before. [3]

Stokely Carmichael and Charles Hamilton’s (1967) developed definition of separationism in their discussion of Black Power which guided me in the formulation and use of this concept in the study.
The concept of Black Power rests on the fundamental premise: Before a group can enter the open society, it must close ranks. By this we mean that group solidarity is necessary before a group can operate effectively from a bargaining position of strength in a pluralistic society.’ [8]

Universities such as Princeton only began admitting Blacks in the 1960’s and presently Blacks comprise only about 10% of total enrollment [factually absolutely wrong: http://www.princeton.edu/mudd/news/faq/topics/African_Americans.shtml; also, 11% is part of population at the time] Due to the small number of Blacks in attendance, the University does not often meet the social and academic needs of its Black population because these universities focus their attention on accommodating the White students who comprise the majority of their enrollments. [12]

Dejoie discusses the claims of the negative effects of predominately White universities on the Black students attending those universities.Although I was unable to find empirical support for Dejoie’s essay, I feel the ideas she expressed are worth some discussion. Dejoie believes that “Institutional policies of predominately White universities have established practices which favor the prefered groups and have ranked priorities which are meant to facilitate the tasks and improve the conditions of White students while ignoring the needs of the Black students”.’ Dr. Dejoie goes on in her study to discuss the effects of biased curricula which does not encourage,”…The contribution of Blacks, the study of Blacks, as a group”.’ She states that Departments of Black Studies are kept very separate from White university curricula. Dejoie also discusses the negative aspects of social and non-academic activites at these schools: “Fraternities, sororities, homecoming activities and student government maintain the White status-auo. As in academic areas, the social aspects ofuniversity life systematically follow the interests of the White students–the majority group” [13]

As a result of such biases, both academic and non-academic, it is often difficult for some Black students to adjust to Princeton’s environment; and unfortunately there are very few adequate support groups which provide some form of guidance and counsel for Black students having difficulty making the transition from their home environments to Princeton’s environment. [14]

For example, respondents who have spent time with Blacks are likely to be more comfortable with Blacks and will, therefore, take a great interest in benefiting this group in comparison to other social groups. Consequently, it is also likely that these respondents are motivated to benefit self, theirloved ones (who are also likely to be Black) and the Black community in comparison to other social groups indicated by this variable. While Blacks who are more comfortable with Whites than with Blacks will probably be less interested in benefiting the Black community.
The more respondents spend time with Blacks, the more positive and compassionate they will be in their attitudes towards lower class Black Americans, expressing strong feelings of obligation to take part in improving their lives. Feelings of obligation will also tend to be strong for Blacks who have spent more time with Whites because of a general sense of compassion towards all underprivileged people. However, the feelings of pride in remaining apart from their lives will be much stronger than their feelings of pride in not remaining apart from their lives because these respondents will show tendencies of downplaying the relationship between themselves and other Blacks. [19]

The more the individual identifies with the Black community the more his attitudes will sway towards a positive relationship with the Black community, however, the more the individual identifies with the White community the more his attitudes will sway towards a negative relationship with the Black community. [21]

Although the data of this study do not permit us to determine the primacy of time over ideologies or vice versa, I have chosen to examine time as the major controlling variable of the study as demonstrated by the causal model in diagram 1. Thus, it is my hypothesis that the actual time the respondents spent with Blacks and Whites throughout the three periods of their lifetime will have a strong effect on the dependent variables of the study. [37]

For example, tables 19 and 19.1 demonstrate that the more respondents became sep/plur, during the Preto- Prin period, the more respondents became motivated to benefit the Black community; and the more int/assim they became, the more unmotivated they became to benefit the Black community.
One possible explanation for this occurance may be that both integrationist and separationist strive to benefit the Black community because supporters of these ideologies may believe that their ideologies best serve to benefit the Black community. [45]

However, it is possible that while a Black separationist may be solely concerned with the particular community he/she chooses to work within, a Black integrationist may be equally concerned with the Black and White communities, thus must divide his/hermotivations between these communities.
In essense, a Black integrationist who is dividing motivations between two groups is less concerned with benefiting the Black community specifically than a Black separationist who is placing his/her energies into the Black community only. [46]

My speculation for this finding is based on the possibility that a separationist is more likely to have a realistic impression of the plight of the Black lower class because of the likelihood that a separationist is more closely associated with the Black lower class than are integrationist. By actually working with the Black lower class or within their communities as a result of their ideologies, a separationist may better understand the desparation of their situation and feel more hopeless about a resolution as opposed to an integrationist who is ignorant to their plight.[50] [how pathetic, her own findings indicate integrationists and separationists are equally concerned with the black community, but integrationalists are more hopefull]

Unfortunately, the data do not provide a way of determining whether time or ideologies is more closely related to the dependent variables for reasons discussed earlier. [52]

In defining the concept of identification or the ability to identify with the Black community, I based my definition on the premise that there is a distinctive Black culture very different from White culture. Elements of Black culture which make it unique from White culture such as its music, its language, the struggles and a “consciousness” shared by its people may be attributed to the injustices and oppressions suffered by this race of people which are not comparable to the experiences of any other race of people through this country’s history.
However, with the increasing integration of Blacks into the mainstream society, many “integrated Blacks” have lost touch with the Black culture in their attempts to become adjusted and comfortable in their new culture–the White culture. Some of these Blacks are no longer able to enjoy the qualities which make Black culture so unique or are unable to openly share their culture with other Blacks because they have become so far removed from these experiences and, in some instances, ashamed of them as a result of their integration….It is with these ideas that I formulated my conception of identifying with the Black community. [54]

I now believe it is incorrect to assume that just because a Black individual does not enjoy or choose to participate in the culture of his people, that that individual is not interested in benefiting that group of people. [55]

Therefore, the inability to identify with one aspect of the Black culture does not necessarily cause apathy towards Blacks in general. [55]

Thus, defining identification as an appreciation and an enjoyment found in the Black culture is not complete enough for the purposes of the study. However, through my study I was able to redefine the concept of identification. [56]

It is my belief that a respondent’s sense of familiarity with the Black community or with the White community will result in the respondent’s inclination to become attached to Blacks or Whites on an individual and on a community level. [56]

Predominately White universities like Princeton are socially and academically designed to cater to the needs of the White students comprising the bulk of their enrollments. [58]

It is possible that Black individuals either chose to or felt pressured to come together with other Blacks on campus because of the belief that Blacks must join in solidarity to combat a White oppressor. [59]

I began this study questionning my own attitudes as a future alumnus. I wondered whether or not my education at Princeton would affect my identification with the Black community. I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of identification with Whites as a result of the educational and occupational path that Black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a certain level of identification with the Black community. However, these findings do not support this possibility. [63]

Thus, these findings suggest that respondents who experience change as a result of their Princeton experiences are likely to identify less with Blacks and the Black community in comparison to Whites and the Whites community. [64]
 

Garryowen

Deceased
If Snopes has pesented the information accurately, it seems her thesis is pretty benign. Still, it would be nice if someone were to read the whole thing and affirm Snopes' "findings." It is not an unbiased website.

The two developments in the news that seem able to change a lot of people's minds are the denial that Michelle called API in Europe, and BO's connection to Odinga in Kenya. It seems there are many connections that should make us uneasy about the Senator from Chicago. Add to that the response of Michelle that racists are trying to stop her husband, rather than her clarification of the issues, and it looks like they are trying to cover up some key information.

regards,

Garryowen
 

cjoi

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http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=363


These experiences have made it apparent to me that the path I have chosen to follow by attending Princeton will likely lead to my further integration and/or assimilation into a White cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participating.

This realization has presently, made my goals to actively utilize my resources to benefit the Black community more desirable. [2]

It appears that her whiny expectation is not the case. How much fuller can her participation be???

Clearly her goals are racist and if this paper were written by a woman with Northern European pedigree she would have been crucified for being racist.

Amelia - Thanks for the critique and ref.s!
 
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Got

I'll get back to this later, my replacement object is screwing up on me. Interesting experiment if someone else wants to try it.

Change all the Whites and Blacks around. Makes for very interesting reading.
 
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Hermit

Inactive
Only whites can be racist, DS.

I don't really see what all the fuss is about here. Michelle simply took what she was taught by white Princeton professors and regurgitated it on paper. There's probably not one original thought in the entire thesis, and it's probably about the same sort of thing that her Sociology classmates of every race wrote.

That was the fad back then, I'm all the senior theses in Sociology nowadays are something different, maybe they have a neo-conservative slant or some other fad.
 

pkchicken

resident chicken
Well....when you choose a topic for your thesis....it just makes sense to choose something you are familiar with. Choosing an unfamiliar topic just means spending more time learning (LEARNING) about it.

Then there are all those years spent in that..."every sunday" church. I do believe we have seen racist attitudes from that church.

Whether her thesis is just another human study or whether it is racially slanted.......we...WE are not allowed to know. That's what BUGS me.

AND

I hate it when Obama rambles on and pontificates ...allthatgoodshit.

I hate it that questions that come to mind have no chance because he has already said...NOW...bla bla bla and moved on to another topic ....and boy he has one of those voices....He's good!

I am not an eloquent speaker (or typer)
But something smells rotten in Denmark!

With the MSM not letting out the accusations and the dnc blocking inquiries, well I just don't like it.

AND the republican dude that opposes him is a soft spoken person. Dang!

The whole thing just makes me sick.

So, what do we do?

pk
 

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
If you read far enough, the Snopes article notes that the Obama campaign made the thesis available on their web site.
 

Amelia

CheekyMonkey
I'm kinda guessin' it's racially motivated.

Looking at who an author of non-fiction books considers authorities always tells a lot about the author's world view.

So, she used (ostensibly) Carmichael and Hamilton's definition of "separatism" in their work of 1967. That would be a book called "Black Power: The Politics of Liberation in America."

You can see who Charmichael and Hamilton used as authorites, see Amazon.com here. The book has additional editions since 1967; the product description on the above copy says:
"In 1967, this revolutionary work exposed the depths of systemic racism in this country and provided a radical political framework for reform: true and lasting social change would only be accomplished through unity among African-Americans and their independence from the preexisting order. An eloquent document of the civil rights movement that remains a work of profound social relevance 25 years after it was first published. [emphasis added-K]

And, for those who don't remember Stokely Carmichael, the Leader of the Black Panthers, I offer this reference from the [Martin Luther] King Encyclopedia at Stanford:
Stokely Carmichael (Kwame Toure), who served as chairman of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) and prime minister of the Black Panther Party, was a major black militant figure of the 1960s and a prominent advocate of Pan-Africanism. While Carmichael and Martin Luther King, Jr. shared a close personal relationship, they had ideological differences regarding the use of nonviolent direct action and white allies during the later parts of the 1960s.

Carmichael was born in Port-of-Spain, Trinidad, on 29 June 1941. At the age of eleven, he moved with his family to Harlem and became a naturalized U.S. citizen in 1954. After moving to an Italian-American neighborhood in the Bronx, Carmichael won admission to the selective Bronx High School of Science, where he graduated in 1960. While attending the school, he became a friend of the son of Communist Party leader Eugene Dennis and was introduced to several veteran black radicals. Active in socialist youth politics, Carmichael joined a Marxist discussion group and participated in demonstrations against the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

After enrolling at Howard University, where he received a Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) scholarship given to students arrested while demonstrating, Carmichael joined the Nonviolent Action Group (NAG) and participated in student protests against segregated facilities around Washington, D.C. In 1961, he joined a Freedom Ride to Jackson, Mississippi, where he was arrested after entering a waiting room reserved for whites. While in jail, he strengthened his ties with other movement activists and briefly considered dropping out of school to work full-time with SNCC, which had been formed the previous year. Although his parents convinced him to return to Howard, Carmichael remained active in the protest movement. As a NAG representative at SNCC meetings, he stressed economic concerns rather than simply a focus on desegregation. While continuing his studies at Howard, he participated in freedom rides in Maryland, mass demonstrations in Albany, Georgia, and a hospital workers strike in New York.

After graduating in 1964 with a degree in philosophy, Carmichael joined SNCC's staff as director of a summer voter registration project in the second Congressional district of Mississippi. He and other black activists became increasingly militant, especially after Democratic Party leaders at the 1964 convention refused to unseat the regular, all-white delegation in favor of the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party (MFDP) delegation. While he maintained close relations with white radicals in SNCC, Carmichael became skeptical of the prospects of interracial activism within the existing political structure. He left Mississippi in the winter of 1965 to help Alabama blacks form the Lowndes County Freedom Organization, an all-black, independent political group that became known as the Black Panther Party. (Activists Bobby Seale and Huey Newton would later borrow the Black Panther symbol when forming the Black Panther Party in Oakland in October 1966.)

In May 1966, Carmichael was elected chairman of SNCC, ousting John Lewis. This leadership shift marked SNCC's divergence from King's ideals of inclusive, faith-based nonviolent direct action. One month later, in June 1966, the James Meredith March Against Fear in Mississippi brought Carmichael's SNCC into direct contact with King and SCLC. Though organized as a joint statement of support for Meredith, who had been injured by a sniper on the second day of his planned 220-mile walk from Memphis to Jackson, the march exposed the growing rift between SNCC and SCLC. During one of the march's rallies, Carmichael called for "Black Power,” a term King resisted because of its violent connotations. "[We] had one simple definition that separated us," Carmichael later recalled. "He saw nonviolence as a principle, which means it had to be used at all times, under all conditions. I saw it as a tactic. If it was working, I would use it; if it wasn't working, I'm picking up guns because I want my freedom by any means necessary." By 1966, Carmichael believed that nonviolence was no longer a useful tactic.
Despite their ideological differences, King and Carmichael respected each other and shared a close personal relationship. Carmichael differed with those in SNCC, such as James Foreman, who advocated a direct challenge to King's leadership of the movement. Carmichael, who realized King's importance in local communities, recalled, "People loved King . . . I've seen people in the South climb over each other just to say, 'I touched him! I touched him!' . . . They even saw him like God. These were the people we were working with and I had to follow in his footsteps when I went in there. The people didn't know what SNCC was. They just said, 'You one of King's men?' 'Yes. Ma'am, I am.’"

During his tenure as SNCC chairman, Carmichael delivered hundreds of speeches advocating black unity and a redefinition of the relationship between blacks and white liberal allies. Although he opposed the decision to expel whites from SNCC, he joined with black nationalists in stressing racial unity over class unity as a basis for future black struggles. After relinquishing the SNCC chairmanship in 1967, Carmichael made a controversial trip to Cuba, China, North Vietnam, and finally to Guinea, where he conferred with exiled Ghanaian leader Kwame Nkrumah, who became his Pan-Africanist mentor. Returning to the United States with the intention of forming Black United Front groups throughout the nation, he accepted an invitation to become prime minister of the Oakland-based Black Panther Party. [this is the year the Carmichael/Hamilton book was published]

As a follower of Kwame Nkrumah, Carmichael helped to form the All-African People's Revolutionary Party (AAPRP) in 1972, which called for "the total liberation and unification of Africa under scientific socialism." On subsequent speaking tours in the United States, he argued against black alliances with white leftists and for a redirection of the energies of Afro-American radicals toward the goal of African liberation. During the 1970s, Carmichael changed his name to Kwame Toure (after Nkrumah and Guinean leader Sekou Toure). Carmichael died of cancer in Guinea on 15 November 1998 at the age of 57.
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I wish her entire thesis was available. I find all this "hide the bone" shit a real twist on "if you've got nothing to hide"... Oh, and as to the question her thesis responds to is Will black alumni become more or less motivated to benefit the Black community after attending Princeton?" if I understand ceeblue's post correctly:
"Obama, who concentrated in sociology and received a certificate in African-American studies, examined how the attitudes of black alumni have changed over the course of their time at the University. "Will they become more or less motivated to benefit the Black community?" Obama wrote in her thesis. "

Another way of asking this is whether separatism or assimilation is better for the black community after it's youth attend a predominately white University.


Sounds like her conclusion changed her attitudes about where her loyalty lies.
 
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