Gutless, limp weenie, sell-out NRA lost every canddate it supported. Brady bunch grinning

Troke

On TB every waking moment
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ab5-11e2-bab2-eda299503684_story.html?hpid=z3

By Editorial Board, Published: November 9

JARED L. LOUGHNER was the one being sentenced for last year’s shooting rampage that left six people dead and 13 wounded. But some of the strongest words of condemnation at his federal sentencing hearing were directed — deservedly so — at the country’s political leaders for their cowardly refusal to debate, let alone deal with, gun violence.

As Mr. Loughner awaited sentencing Thursday for the shooting spree in a Tucson shopping center parking lot that targeted and critically injured Gabrielle Giffords, the former congresswoman’s husband delivered a stinging denouncement of the failure to enact meaningful gun control. Mark Kelly’s powerful words bear repeating:

“We have a political class that is afraid to do something as simple as have a meaningful debate about our gun laws and how they are being enforced. We have representatives who look at gun violence not as a problem to solve but as the white elephant in the room to ignore. As a nation we have repeatedly passed up the opportunity to address this issue. After Columbine; after Virginia Tech; after Tucson and after Aurora we have done nothing.”

U.S. District Court Judge Larry A. Burns, who sentenced the 24-year-old defendant to the seven consecutive life terms plus 140 years in prison that was a condition of his guilty plea agreement, expressed wonder at allowing the unrestricted sale of high-capacity magazines like the one Mr. Loughner used. Judge Burns was careful to note that he was just “a single federal judge” who had “no intention to change the law.” But the decision by state and national figures to go AWOL on gun control in fear of what they perceive to be the powerful clout of the national gun lobby leaves this critical public safety issue unaddressed.

Consider that the recently concluded presidential campaign barely heard mention of gun violence; it came up only in a single question at a presidential debate that essentially went unanswered. Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R), whom Mr. Kelly called out for “feckless” leadership on gun control, responded that it would be inappropriate to engage in politics on the solemn occasion of justice to the victims of the Tucson shooting being meted out. It’s a common politicians’ dodge, used whenever a mass shooting occurs and they don’t want to be put on the spot about the need for rational gun regulation.

Examination by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence of spending by the National Rifle Association in the 2012 elections showed that, of the $11.8 million spent to defeat President Obama and $3.4 million across six key Senate races — 88 percent of its federal independent expenditures — the gun lobby could claim no victories; all of its candidates lost. This evidence that the association’s ability to influence elections may be exaggerated should stiffen the spines of Mr. Obama and congressional leaders to take on this important issue — before another person touched by gun violence has to stand up in court to offer words about the horrors of loss.

I am not sure they were go directly against guns. But they might try gutting out the Castle Doctrine to the point that only Common Law self defense applies. Once they got that, they could go after CCW.

I am sure that a properly appointed O/SCOTUS would see it their way.

And then finally guns.

It would take time, but if O has any luck at all (and he is an extraordinarily lucky man) they will have 30 years of judicial possibility.
 
After the NRA supported Harry Reid in 2010 they lost all my support and I'm a 'life member' from awhile back.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
After the NRA supported Harry Reid in 2010 they lost all my support and I'm a 'life member' from awhile back.

The NRA is a one issue outfit; Guns. They don't give a damn if their candidate has a dead girl or live boy in his background provided he supports their position on guns.

This is called Principle. On a forum that constantly complains of the lack of Principle, I find complaints about it odd.
 
The NRA is a one issue outfit; Guns. They don't give a damn if their candidate has a dead girl or live boy in his background provided he supports their position on guns.

This is called Principle. On a forum that constantly complains of the lack of Principle, I find complaints about it odd.

Yes and no. Principle is good but one still has to see the whole picture. Do you think for a second if an anti-gun bill made it out of the House that Harry Reid wouldn't support it in the current form of CONgress and 0 in the oval office? That's what I'm getting at. So what he backed a range or whatever - in the end he would easily vote FOR an anti-gun bill. To think otherwise is wishful thinking.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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The more I read your posts Troke, the more I feel that you're being paid by TPTB to stir the shit. I just don't get you anymore. Is it because as you've gotten older, you've turned titty to TPTB? Because you're NOT the "you" I once knew AT ALL.

The NRA certainly IS a single issue organization. But so is the JPFO, GOA, and many others. The difference is that the NRA has consistently compromised their principles on gun ownership to support many anti-gun laws over the past decade or more. Particularly during La Pierre's reign. Though they APPEAR to be gun-friendly as an organization, the past decade or so has shown them to be nothing more than tools of TPTB. They fool the sheep, but not those of us who actually see what's going on over time.

But evidently, you cannot or will not see these facts.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
I know only this. A majority of the States have CCW. Over the violent protests of the NRA?

A large portion have Castle Doctrine. Over the violent protests of the NRA?

And the outfit that was able to Grandfather shooting ranges against new codes..that was the Taliban?

Better take a closer look. If it was not for the NRA, you'd have little or none of that.

But you would have that pure feeling, just like what you have after this election.
 

Shinmen Takezo

Membership Revoked
the more I feel that you're being paid by TPTB to stir the shit. I just don't get you anymore.

I thought that was supposed to be me!
 

Shinmen Takezo

Membership Revoked
First off, the NRA needs a massive make-over like the one they did on themselves back in the early 80's... which was very successful BTW.

Same thing and more needs to happen today.

First off--one they need to get rid of Wayne LaPierre, it to come out publicly state the true purpose of the 2nd Amendment--and it is not duck hunting.

Also--their emphasis on "hunting" and "conservation" and "sports shooting" needs to be dropped completely.

The hunting crowd is declining BTW.
This is old hat. Passe straws to cling upon.
Most new gun owners are purchasing for defense purposes--and all that includes and implies BTW.

Thirdly....

Then they have to transform themselves into a "CIVIL RIGHTS" organization (with total focus upon the 2nd Amendment), and stop being a "gun rights" organization.... and with this compel their members to stop riding on the back of the bus. With this they will have to use the enormous and motivated membership in "Tea Party" like events and protest--not just ask them to phone and write their representatives, and to soak them for more contributions.

The "thirdly" part is hard to grok for the thick-headed conservative types who are loath to get off their barko loungers and off their asses into the streets.... but this has to be done.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Heh. You and he are in cahoots ;)

Small town on the Platte River in Nebraska. Manufactured the HUFF auto there, for people who need to go off in a HUFF. Also manufacture a motor scooter called a SNIT, for people who can't afford a HUFF but need to go off in something.

Bad news. Town is now nearly 100% Latino, much to my surprise. Not sure of the future of the HUFF or the SNIT.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Hupmobile? Gees!

The demand for HUFFS and SNITS usually depends on the use of UMBRAGE, a herb known to cause anti-social behavior when ingested. People who have taken UMBRAGE usually go off in a HUFF or SNIT.
 

twincougars

Deceased
First off, the NRA needs a massive make-over like the one they did on themselves back in the early 80's... which was very successful BTW.

Same thing and more needs to happen today.

First off--one they need to get rid of Wayne LaPierre, it to come out publicly state the true purpose of the 2nd Amendment--and it is not duck hunting.

Also--their emphasis on "hunting" and "conservation" and "sports shooting" needs to be dropped completely.

The hunting crowd is declining BTW.
This is old hat. Passe straws to cling upon.
Most new gun owners are purchasing for defense purposes--and all that includes and implies BTW.

Thirdly....

Then they have to transform themselves into a "CIVIL RIGHTS" organization (with total focus upon the 2nd Amendment), and stop being a "gun rights" organization.... and with this compel their members to stop riding on the back of the bus. With this they will have to use the enormous and motivated membership in "Tea Party" like events and protest--not just ask them to phone and write their representatives, and to soak them for more contributions.

The "thirdly" part is hard to grok for the thick-headed conservative types who are loath to get off their barko loungers and off their asses into the streets.... but this has to be done.

Gosh, I think I can actually AGREE with you!! ST for NRA President!! That should cause a stirr.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
BTW, I have had more than one hunter tell me that they won't join the NRA because it spends too much time on politics.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Another chortle that the NRA is no longer relevant

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary...tually-lost-influence-on-gun-control/(page)/2

After the Virginia Tech shootings in 2007, when 32 people were slaughtered by a mentally disturbed young man wielding two semi-automatic pistols, calls for enhanced gun control were met with a warning from Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. Sen. Reid cautioned against a “rush to judgment” about new gun laws.

But after the Arizona shooting of last week, gun control measures are being discussed again, and Mr. Reid hasn’t said anything cautious.

Why the change?

The National Rifle Association was one of the big losers of the 2010 midterm elections.

This is so, even though 85 percent of its endorsed candidates won, and the percentage of gun-loving Senators and House members rose after the election.

The difference is that the NRA can no longer claim to be anything but an appendage of the Republican Party.

Arizona shooting: US has lots of guns, but it's not alone

One of the key components of the NRA’s power has been the support of moderate and conservative Democrats. Even when the Democrats controlled Congress, there were more than enough pro-gun Democrats to vote with most Republicans and bat down any efforts at gun control.

NRA's historic reach with Democrats gone

Think back to March 2009, when a newly installed Obama administration, with strong majorities in the House and Senate might have contemplated reinstating the assault weapons ban. (The ban was implemented in 1994 under the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration let it expire in 2004). The NRA cracked the whip, and 65 House Democrats signed a letter declaring eternal opposition to such legislation.

Just two years later, only 26 of the signers of that letter are still in the House. Many got creamed this November, despite NRA support.

Of 50 key NRA-endorsed incumbent House Democrats, only 23 survived the midterms. Not only did most NRA Democrats lose, but NRA-endorsed losers made up half of all defeated House Democrats.

The NRA’s endorsement is about as useful to a Democrat as a duck decoy to a deer hunter.

What can the NRA do for any Democrat when it counts, on Election Day? n the past, (now defeated) Democrats like Stephanie Herseth Sandlin of South Dakota or Brad Ellsworth of Indiana could use NRA endorsements to win over those single-issue independent voters whose mantra was “guns über alles” (guns above everything else).

Today, such voters are mostly committed Republicans. They won’t vote for a Sandlin or an Ellsworth just because of an NRA endorsement.
The price of partisan support

And if they can’t get any votes by stopping gun laws, then Democrats have to consider how many votes might be gained by supporting sane, popular gun-control legislation such as limits on assault weapons, closing the gun show sale loophole, and the administration’s plan to force gun stores to report multiple long-gun sales, just as they do with handguns.

Why, Democrats might even support legislation to make it as hard for terrorists to buy guns as it is for them to board planes! Or go back to the law we had from 1994 to 2004 that limited the size of magazines sold. The Arizona shooter was stopped as he reloaded; with a magazine only half the size, many now wounded or dead might have escaped unhurt.

The Democrats have been unable to unite behind any of these bills for years for one simple reason. Many of their leaders believed that gun control cost the party the 2000 presidential election, since pro-gun voters in Tennessee turned on favorite son Al Gore to punish him for the Clinton assault weapons ban.

However true that was then, the lesson of 2010 for Democrats was that the NRA doesn’t deliver for Democrats anymore.

Don't expect much gun-control legislation anytime soon. Historically, it takes at least a few years after a massacre or assassination to get sensible laws passed. Certainly, there’ll be no progress on gun control while the House is in Republican hands.

But the next time the Democrats have both houses of Congress and the White House, expect real gun control to move for the first time in years.

When an interest group’s supporters only rally to politicians of one political party, that interest group’s fortunes rise and fall with that party.

Just ask the AFL-CIO.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
_______________
BTW, I have had more than one hunter tell me that they won't join the NRA because it spends too much time on politics.


Hunters have no business belonging to the NRA. Many hunters are so near-sighted that they'd allow all guns except 4-round top-fed bolt actions to be banned.
 

Be Well

may all be well
If there had not been rampant voter fraud, who knows what any results would have been. But since the R "leaders" are spineless gutless gonadless cowardly self serving scum, they utter not a word about the obvious huge criminal "election". Or anything else of consequence.
 

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
I don't know what's happened to the CS Monitor. Have they always been an super-liberal paper?

I was a big fan a long time ago.

:(

Another chortle that the NRA is no longer relevant

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary...tually-lost-influence-on-gun-control/(page)/2

After the Virginia Tech shootings in 2007, when 32 people were slaughtered by a mentally disturbed young man wielding two semi-automatic pistols, calls for enhanced gun control were met with a warning from Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. Sen. Reid cautioned against a “rush to judgment” about new gun laws.

But after the Arizona shooting of last week, gun control measures are being discussed again, and Mr. Reid hasn’t said anything cautious.

Why the change?

The National Rifle Association was one of the big losers of the 2010 midterm elections.

This is so, even though 85 percent of its endorsed candidates won, and the percentage of gun-loving Senators and House members rose after the election.

The difference is that the NRA can no longer claim to be anything but an appendage of the Republican Party.

Arizona shooting: US has lots of guns, but it's not alone

One of the key components of the NRA’s power has been the support of moderate and conservative Democrats. Even when the Democrats controlled Congress, there were more than enough pro-gun Democrats to vote with most Republicans and bat down any efforts at gun control.

NRA's historic reach with Democrats gone

Think back to March 2009, when a newly installed Obama administration, with strong majorities in the House and Senate might have contemplated reinstating the assault weapons ban. (The ban was implemented in 1994 under the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration let it expire in 2004). The NRA cracked the whip, and 65 House Democrats signed a letter declaring eternal opposition to such legislation.

Just two years later, only 26 of the signers of that letter are still in the House. Many got creamed this November, despite NRA support.

Of 50 key NRA-endorsed incumbent House Democrats, only 23 survived the midterms. Not only did most NRA Democrats lose, but NRA-endorsed losers made up half of all defeated House Democrats.

The NRA’s endorsement is about as useful to a Democrat as a duck decoy to a deer hunter.

What can the NRA do for any Democrat when it counts, on Election Day? n the past, (now defeated) Democrats like Stephanie Herseth Sandlin of South Dakota or Brad Ellsworth of Indiana could use NRA endorsements to win over those single-issue independent voters whose mantra was “guns über alles” (guns above everything else).

Today, such voters are mostly committed Republicans. They won’t vote for a Sandlin or an Ellsworth just because of an NRA endorsement.
The price of partisan support

And if they can’t get any votes by stopping gun laws, then Democrats have to consider how many votes might be gained by supporting sane, popular gun-control legislation such as limits on assault weapons, closing the gun show sale loophole, and the administration’s plan to force gun stores to report multiple long-gun sales, just as they do with handguns.

Why, Democrats might even support legislation to make it as hard for terrorists to buy guns as it is for them to board planes! Or go back to the law we had from 1994 to 2004 that limited the size of magazines sold. The Arizona shooter was stopped as he reloaded; with a magazine only half the size, many now wounded or dead might have escaped unhurt.

The Democrats have been unable to unite behind any of these bills for years for one simple reason. Many of their leaders believed that gun control cost the party the 2000 presidential election, since pro-gun voters in Tennessee turned on favorite son Al Gore to punish him for the Clinton assault weapons ban.

However true that was then, the lesson of 2010 for Democrats was that the NRA doesn’t deliver for Democrats anymore.

Don't expect much gun-control legislation anytime soon. Historically, it takes at least a few years after a massacre or assassination to get sensible laws passed. Certainly, there’ll be no progress on gun control while the House is in Republican hands.

But the next time the Democrats have both houses of Congress and the White House, expect real gun control to move for the first time in years.

When an interest group’s supporters only rally to politicians of one political party, that interest group’s fortunes rise and fall with that party.

Just ask the AFL-CIO.
 

blackjeep

The end times are here.
If there had not been rampant voter fraud, who knows what any results would have been. But since the R "leaders" are spineless gutless gonadless cowardly self serving scum, they utter not a word about the obvious huge criminal "election". Or anything else of consequence.

^^^ This.

Many elections were stolen this year. Conservative candidates might have fared very well if the elections had been run legally.
 

Be Well

may all be well
^^^ This.

Many elections were stolen this year. Conservative candidates might have fared very well if the elections had been run legally.

R "leaders" are afraid to mention:

Election fraud resulting in stolen elections

Black on white crime

Huge increase of crime - black on white and illegal crime

0bastard's non-elegibility and thus overthrow of the Constitution

The wrecking of the coutnry with affirmative action which includes females being given jobs and positions they can't do

The great evil of Islamic infiltration in our country and governemnt

The great evil of increasing bastard births and breeders on welfare

The Leftist homo indoctrination centers aka as "public schools"


The R "leaders" are worse than out and out enemies. Dems and R leaders need the Ceaucescu treatment. Plus the MSM.
 

coloradohermit

Veteran Member
The thread title
NRA lost every canddate it supported
, isn't entirely accurate. We got lots of NRA mail supporting congressman Doug Lamborn here in Colorado and he won re-election. Of course, he ran virtually unopposed, but who's to quibble.
 
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