INTL Harry and Meghan plan to do things their way.

thompson

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Krayola said:
That is what Limbaugh said. Clinton-style foundation to monetize the monarchy.
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Neither of them are interesting enough on their own to make it big as they've envisioned. They both gained exposure and a 'following' by being members of the Royal Family. She was a mediocre, little-known, debateably attractive actress and he was the emotionally stunted spare to the heir. Now they're trying to disengage themselves from the Royals and the Royals are pissed and won't make it easy for them. In a pay-for-play scheme, some sort of tangible influence has to exist before anyone is going to consistently pay much money. They have no other real worth or extraordinary skill set other than the family connection and they've done quite a bit to trash/disengage from any closeness with any of them. They aren't going to be successful as they imagine because there's no "there, there". They have little to offer, especially in the long run. They're both really only celebrities, made famous because of the Royal Family, of which they're desperately trying to disengage from. STUPID, self-absorbed twits.
 
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WalknTrot

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Harry always wanted to be normal and chafed at the royalty thing. When he was in the military, he didn't want to be "special". Unfortunately he was born needing certain protections, and won't ever be able to escape all of it.

I'm sorta chuckling at the apparent lack of communicating any of this latest news to the palace before they flapped their jaws to the press, but not my circus, not my monkeys. He and Ms Markel are at least partially filling their roles by providing fodder for the dingbat British tabloids...so not completely falling down on the job.
 
von Koehler

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Melodi said:
So who was "disgraced" exactly, her Black Well educated and hardworking business-owning Mother or her human wreckage of a white father?....
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The term, which admittedly is not kind, refers to her mixed blut heritage of White and Black parentage.

von Koehler
 
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thompson said:
Neither of them are interesting enough on their own to make it big as they've envisioned. They both gained exposure and a 'following' by being members of the Royal Family. She was a mediocre, little-known, debateably attractive actress and he was the emotionally stunted spare to the heir. Now they're trying to disengage themselves from the Royals and the Royals are pissed and won't make it easy for them. In a pay-for-play scheme, some sort of tangible influence has to exist before anyone is going to consistently pay much money. They have no other real worth or extraordinary skill set other than the family connection and they've done quite a bit to trash/disengage from any closeness with any of them. They aren't going to be successful as they imagine because there's no "there, there". They have little to offer, especially in the long run. They're both really only celebrities, made famous because of the Royal Family, of which they're desperately trying to disengage from. STUPID, self-absorbed twits.
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Well, they ain't gonna set up a roadside knife stand; that's for sure.

But, I believe they'll have enough influence to get started peddling it.
 
PghPanther

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Guy probably thinks why should I put up with all these royal duties when I'm so far off the beaten path of getting anywhere to the throne I might as well do what I want to.............I wouldn't want to be born into those responsibilities of being under a public/media microscope for no other reason that my birthright..............on the other hand he married a less than desirable pedigree to his birth right which is probably part of the his whole "why should I care about that" birthright heritage anyway.

Fine by me as long as these two aren't thrown in our common folk face all the time or they start to tell us how to live our lives as some elite global solution to everything...............leave us alone and we'll leave them alone as it should be.
 
bbbuddy

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PghPanther said:
Guy probably thinks why should I put up with all these royal duties when I'm so far off the beaten path of getting anywhere to

Fine by me as long as these two aren't thrown in our common folk face all the time or they start to tell us how to live our lives as some elite global solution to everything...............leave us alone and we'll leave them alone as it should be.
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Unfortunately this all means that they WILL BE lecturing to us lesser beings about how green we should be, how we shouldn't eat meat, we should do this or do that, cramming their (ugh) "progressive" thoughts on us, and the media will absolutely WORSHIP them and make sure they are in our faces forever.
 
minkykat

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If he wants to be a normal bloke, fine. But there is still a lot to be said for having respect for one's elders. Per the Daily Fail, the Queen asked them to talk this over with Charles and to keep this on the down low.

They, or, likely, Mag the nag, ordered Harry the whipped to make the announcement before the birthday of her arch rival, Kate, the future Queen.

If this is all Mag the nag's doing, Harry may wake up one day.
If it's Harry's revenge for Mom, then the family held a viper to their breast all this time.

I'm Team Elizabeth on this one. Something has been off on the Magnag to me since day one.
 
Melodi

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von Koehler said:
The term, which admittedly is not kind, refers to her mixed blut heritage of White and Black parentage.

von Koehler
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Nightwolf was taught during his time in medical school where so many hoped to practice in the US that the majority of US blacks already have so much white (and Native American) ancestry that the common genetic diseases for everyone have to be looked at in almost every medical case.

So nearly any American black person is already mixed with white (unless they recently came over from Africa in the last 40 years or so) so just exactly who is mixing with whom?

I didn't come up with this on my own, you can check with the Royal College of Surgeons, it is well known in the medical field but not talked about a lot outside of it.
 
Josie

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TammyinWI said:
Well, officially, and they tried to keep it on the down-low, it is more than likely that Charles is not his biological father. It was probably confirmed by a DNA test, paid for by the taxpayers.
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Quite possible. And with that in mind and the revelations about his uncle and the possibility that Harry knows there are quite a few skeletons in the royal closet, he ( and his wife) decided they wanted to distance themselves while they could.
 
Melodi

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minkykat said:
If he wants to be a normal bloke, fine. But there is still a lot to be said for having respect for one's elders. Per the Daily Fail, the Queen asked them to talk this over with Charles and to keep this on the down low.

They, or, likely, Mag the nag, ordered Harry the whipped to make the announcement before the birthday of her arch rival, Kate, the future Queen.

If this is all Mag the nag's doing, Harry may wake up one day.
If it's Harry's revenge for Mom, then the family held a viper to their breast all this time.

I'm Team Elizabeth on this one. Something has been off on the Magnag to me since day one.
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Actually I agree with this to an extent, now that everything is out the WAY they handled this is rather appalling; I mean it is great for "burning bridges" but that isn't usually a good idea, especially with such a public family situation.

Still, ultimately their choice and they will have to live with the consequences and I'm sure there will be some - even Edward wasn't this silly over the abdication, he went through the motions of doing it properly.
 
Jonas Parker

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I hope things work out for Harry and Megan. The "Royal Family" is dysfunction fine-tuned. Maybe there are two "normies" in the crowd with the brains to escape before the madness takes them over. For their child's sake, I hope so.
 
mzkitty

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Jonas Parker said:
I hope things work out for Harry and Megan. The "Royal Family" is dysfunction fine-tuned. Maybe there are two "normies" in the crowd with the brains to escape before the madness takes them over. For their child's sake, I hope so.
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Exactly. Cute kid.


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von Koehler

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Melodi said:
Nightwolf was taught during his time in medical school where so many hoped to practice in the US that the majority of US blacks already have so much white (and Native American) ancestry that the common genetic diseases for everyone have to be looked at in almost every medical case.

So nearly any American black person is already mixed with white (unless they recently came over from Africa in the last 40 years or so) so just exactly who is mixing with whom?

I didn't come up with this on my own, you can check with the Royal College of Surgeons, it is well known in the medical field but not talked about a lot outside of it.
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This is largely correct; many American Blacks have a certain percentage of White blut.

von Koehler
 
Melodi

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von Koehler said:
This is largely correct; many American Blacks have a certain percentage of White blut.

von Koehler
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My point being that whomever they marry they are "mixing race" by some definitions (not mine but going with that theory) so mixing it more hardly matters - I mean, mating with anyone is mixing.

Same is true in large parts of Central and South America, nearly everyone is a mix of Native American, European and some African ancestry.

But anyway, I think Harry and Meghan just burned their bridges by the way they handled this, I mean we don't know what went on behind the scenes but this looks immature and childish to anyone looking in from the outside.

I mean they way they are chosing to do it, not the fact they want to step down, that part I can understand.
 
Dafodil

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Melodi said:
I told Nightwolf months ago that if for some reason he was actually friends with Harry (on a different timeline they could have known each other they might have shared classes etc) I would suggest he advise Harry to have a lot think about things and if he truly loves his wife and kid(s) he might very well want to do exactly what he's doing.

He is no longer the "spare heir" there are about six people ahead inline (all of William's kids if something happened to George) his wife is perfectly capable of making a good living and he may not be the world's most shining light but he's popular and good with people (as well as being a trained military officer) there is a lot of work he could do.

Plus he would still have some inheritance from the Queen and later Charles, they won't hurt for money but they won't have to live in a birdcage.

Meghan has her faults but I'm not going to call her dirty names either, she's willful and simply not cut out to live in an ordered and completely scripted goldfish bowl.

Some actresses like Grace Kelly (who was older) can do this and make it works (though even she said at the end of her life, a lot of her talents had to be sacrificed and she didn't feel she lived up to her potential - choices, we make them and then live with them).

I personally think that Harry thought an actress would be perfect (he even said so before they met) because they were used to fame and being in the public spotlight, what he wasn't seeing was the extreme constrictions there are on the lives of royal women, especially English royalty.

As a "bloke" he got a lot of passes that Meghan (or Kate for that matter) don't get.

I think everyone may be way happier if they live in Canada, show up for royal birthday parties and Christmas and let Meghan be an actress and not spend their time opening shopping malls and pretending to enjoy the horse races in funny hats.
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Doesn't hurt that Dianna left him half of her $$, The ginger has a substantial net worth himself. $25 to $40 million, Money.com reported last year. Harry's fortune comprises of income from public funding through the Sovereign Grant and money earned through the Duchy of Cornwall
 
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WalknTrot

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Jonas Parker said:
I hope things work out for Harry and Megan. The "Royal Family" is dysfunction fine-tuned.
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Hahahahaha!
Name me an extended family that ISN'T dysfunctional. I'd put your or my nest of crazies up against the worst if they had all the press coverage the Royals have. Difference is, your and my family...nobody knows or nobody cares...at least until we run afoul of the law. Then we might make the papers.
 
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OK what I would like to see is that they are excluded from public finance support unless they undertake public duties. They should support themselves fully like any member of the public without any finance from the taxpayer.
I don't think they are capable of doing so but would like the situation forced upon them, you either knuckle under as a member of the Royal family or become commoners who have to earn their own living like everyone else.
They should be immediately excluded from the benefits of being Royals and expelled from the "firm" permanently without any income.
It ia not good enough that they are exiled to Paris or wherever with full income privileges for the rest of their lives, they should be kicked out with nothing..
 
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I for one wish them well and though the announcement should have been a joint effort with Buckingham Palace, expect that they will settle into a satisfactory spot for both the interests of the royal family and for themselves at a personal level. The Queen should understand the position Harry & Meghan have found themselves in given the manner in which her sister Margaret struggled for most of her life trying to find her place as a senior royal who would never accede to the crown and always in the shadow of her sister. Prince Phillip himself struggled for years to find a role for himself as did Queen Victoria's husband Albert. For all the glamour and glory, being a part of the royal family sucks the life out of the ones that don't keep some distance.
 
hunybee

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i am shaking my head at people talking about harry like he is still 12 years old running after his mother's coffin. he is 34 years old!! he is not a child, he is (supposed to be) a man! i cannot count how many times it has been brought up about his mother. you know what? not to sound harsh, and i DO have understanding for it, but MANY people have lost one of their parents when they were children. lots have had the same kind of situation and worse....and they are still not simpering little whiners (i had a different word picked out but decided against...). i am not unsympathetic to the hardships he has faced. i really am not. but this is not about that. he and his wife are spoiled. there is a huge difference between him and his brother. yes, i know william is the future king and he has a different set of responsibilities. why doesn't william get all the passes in the world for acting like a....whiner? well, first, he DOESN"T act like a whiner! i may not agree with williams thoughts on a lot of things, but i have much more respect for him. but whenever they talk about the brothers, its always "poor harry". its kinda nauseating.

i know he may have some big issues because he is a member of the royal family and all that goes along with it. but again, news flash, many people have some messed up lives and real hardships in life but don't behave the way he has been behaving. his life is not one huge terrible hardship after another. he has some pretty great things. just like everyone else. good and bad. but what is he doing with it?

if he truly wanted away to make his own way in life, he would just do it. but that is not what this is about. he wants his cake and to eat it too.

if he thinks the royal family is so terrible to him, and is so messed up, and he really wants to break from them and carve out his own path, he should....but he is wanting to keep all the fun and great things, and walk away from any responsibility or uncomfortable things. his attitude is pathetic and his behavior towards them is disdainful, yet he is perfectly willing to take the money and the protections and all of the benefits of it. is he going to really make it own HIS own and not use the family name or his title? is he going to go out and get a real job like the billions of others on the planet that have no enormous nest egg like he and his wife have? LOL yah....no. i don't think so. there is so much more i could go on about.

and don't even get me started with his wife.

his son is so cute though. i really hope that little guy (and any others) have a good life no matter waht the rest of them do.
 
hunybee

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and to be clear, i have no issues with them wanting to have their own life and be away from the royal family and not be having to live in a fishbowl. that is totally great and i get it. except they DON'T really want that. they again, want what they want when they want it how they want it. they want to act like it is such a terrible life and that having the public watch your every move is to terrible, but then they court it like mad. and they sure as hell still want the trappings of it. and they want to have no accountability, yet tell the little people how to live.
 
et2

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Well he didn't need her money and she didn't need his. So to say they're tired of the 6 mil they get paid every year is BS. They don't need that money, never did. Not buying we're wanting to make our own cash. They'll always have it.

What I've noticed since hearing of all this, Meghan is the front person taking the lead on this. She's the one stepping forward and shaking hands first, answering questions, etc. I just saw tonight Megan leading Harry next to a crowd walking ahead of him while arm outstretched behind her pulling him along by his hand.

The mental picture I have is he's like a little kid being dragged by mommy to events. Perhaps Meghan fits the spot his mother left when he was young. The guy seems insecure if you ask me. I can understand about losing a mother so young can screw with your head.

Meghan is screwing with his, and he likes it.
 
Josie

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Once again, I'm guessing that Harry knows all the skeletons in the royal closet and he's wanting to distance himself, his wife and child from the eventual fallout. My gut is telling me that his uncle's choices are just the glaze on the donut, so to speak. A lot of people seem to know what it's like to be a royal and are basing their comments on their intimate knowledge. Sorry but to have to look picture perfect every time you step outside your door or you a lambasted, is not my personal ideal of living.

I wish them well and I guess we will all just have to wait and see how their marriage turns out. Hopefully, better than his father's, and if the rumors are true, better than his brother's.
 
Scarletbreasted

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Word has it that Meghan has now flown back to Canada, where Archie has remained for the whole time, leaving Harry to be the focus of all the angst and infighting in the (Fractured) Royal family!

There has certainly a great deal of fore planning on this dis-engagement - it will be interesting to see what is the final outcome.

As to their residency in Canada, will they be granted citizenship? (Canada is/was a Commonwealth country) dear wacky Justin T must be over the moon (more than usual) over his country being a Royal desination for refugees.
 
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